She is being so hypocrite, she should mind her fucking own business, Elliot is not just a number on her statistics, Elliot is a human being, with emotions, feelings and identity, Arielle is just being spiteful, on purpose, not due to lack of info, but pure raw transphobia... She is a despicable human being.
Arielle clearly believes that trans women are less of women than cis women. She just won’t directly say it. She literally said that the word “woman” shouldn’t include trans women that are pre-op and pre-hormone (Noah Finnce cites this in his video on Arielle). This completely ignores that some trans women have health issues that prevent them from taking hormones and there are valid concerns about SRS that lead many trans people to decide to not get surgeries. Edit: I meant to say that Arielle believes trans women are LESS of women than cis women, not more. I mistyped that.
She should get a life, even suggesting Elliot is not " really " trans, and treating people as they were just a number, just a soldier on her team, it is so sick
Still free speech, trying to force people to think different will just end up making it worse, some people will like trans, some will like gay, most wont know the difference if you just don't make it obvious. Am so done with the victim mentality
@@oppakunn328 I don’t know why Arielle needed to make those videos. People on her shitting on her on Twitter for not wanting to have sex with a trans woman with a penis. Why not just make one tweet on Twitter that says something like “My preferences are based in bigotry. I find penises a turn off. I’m not going to change my preferences because of your ignorance.” But instead she made like five UA-cam videos? What’s the point? Most people are fine with your preferences. Twitter is just filled with crazies on all political spectrums.
@Eliza Walker - Many lesbians start life saying they are straight because it's "normal" and they hadn't questioned it yet. So we could ask: "Why are lesbians ashamed of being straight?" That's how condescending this is. Needing others to conform to your categories because it's easier for you would be self-serving. Ironically, people who identified as lesbian before and since moved on to understand themselves as something else are in a better position to support the lesbian cause than somebody who stays and secretly doubts themselves.
@@fatuusdottore She is. There is plenty of proof that she is, and I'm not going to sugarcoat my words for a billionaire who couldn't care less about anyone but herself.
The way she says “it’s an issue we are losing are lesbians” is similar to people complaining about gay people because it’ll “lessen” heterosexual people or something. Like what??
Also there's plenty of lesbians, they all just hate her and people like her because in this community we do not fucking accept bigotry because we know what it feels like to be discriminated against by a judgemental society
I love that she literally says that people shouldn't be calling her a TERF and says on her twitter that "Trans Women shouldn't be concern of Feminism" Make it make sense, sister
Yo even worse, she is so stupid because she doesn't even give a shut about feminism, she is a Trump supporter and has done videos reacting to, in her words, crazy SJW feminists, she is just baiting and grifting on terfs and lmao if they take the bait
@@ruth325 Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist. Basically, they're a 'feminist', but they exclude trans people from the discussion and think that trans women are 'invading' feminist spaces because they're actually men not women (which isn't true, trans women are women, of course). Being a feminist is about understanding intersectionality (discrimination on the basis of sexuality, romantic/sexual orientation, gender, race etc.) and if your feminism doesn't include trans women, it's not feminism.
Arielle can't find other lesbians because we've all blocked her like in that one episode of Black Mirror. Anyway, congratulations to Elliot I think he's incredibly brave & compassionate!
@@sarahgabriella84 If you 'cancel' someone, you make it so that they aren't able to voice their opinion any more. Intimidating them through stalking and doxxing is one way to do this (and a bad thing to do). If you simply choose not to listen to what a person is saying, then you haven't silenced them. They're still free to say whatever they want. Nobody owes it to them to listen. It's like if somebody writes a book that's terribly written, and so nobody buys it; they haven't been silenced, nobody prevented them from publishing the book, but people aren't obliged to buy it and read it either. So blocking her is not 'cancelling' her, as she can still voice her opinion as much as she wants; some people just don't want to have to be forced to listen to her.
Side-note: a lot of the people complaining about being "cancelled" HAVEN'T been silenced. Look at JK Rowling; since making her transphobic comments last year she's published a novel, written loads of articles, given loads of talks about how 'silenced' she is (does she even recognise the irony in that?), been interviewed by all kinds of media, and has recently even been given an award by the BBC for an article in which she doubles down on her transphobia. She claims to have been 'silenced', all while having every opportunity to broadcast her opinion. It's true that a small percentage of her critics have attacked her online, with death threats and the like, and that is completely unacceptable. However, it's not fair to characterise all people who criticise her as violent oppressors, when the majority are simply disagreeing with her. It might seem like she's being overwhelmingly attacked from all sides from her point of view, because she's in the centre of it and it may feel overwhelming. There's also the fact that people who have been victims of abuse in the past tend to be hyper-vigilant for threats and can interpret criticism as an attack because of this. I'd hate to be at the centre of a Twitter storm, it sounds terrifying. However, she still needs to be accountable for her words! She's free to speak her mind, but other people are free to criticise her for those words. Not all criticism is an 'attack'. In fact, telling people that they can't criticise you is an attempt to silence them. Rowling is essentially saying that SHE should have freedom of speech, but people who disagree with her shouldn't. The problem is that instead of criticising the things she has said, the media and many everyday people are now busy accusing trans people and their allies of "cancelling" opinions they don't like. So the mainstream conversation ISN'T about the fact that this very powerful woman is oppressing an already oppressed minority group; instead, people are turning on this group and criticising them because of the actions of a small minority within that group who have taken things too far. It reminds me of the BLM movement. The vast majority of protesters are peaceful. A small minority are violent and attack police and property. Suddenly, people are characterising the whole BLM movement as violent, when what they should actually be doing is asking: why are these people protesting in the first place? Instead of focusing on the intense racial oppression permeating societies worldwide, people are instead asking "why are black people so violent?" The answer: they aren't. A small number of protestors have taken things too far, and now everybody is being painted with the same brush. We shouldn't be blaming oppressed minorities and criticising their actions based on a few fringe extremists. *People seem to be more willing to criticise a minority's reaction to oppression than to criticise the oppression itself.* Instead of criticising minorities for speaking up, we should be listening to their concerns.
Ugh, that pisses me off so much. It’s painfully clear that so many people view afab nonbinary people as women lite, or as quirky or confused cis girls. It’s so condescending too, like, she thinks she’s being super nice by entertaining the thought of our existence.
@@aryanyudha9264 so the thing is is gender and “biological sex” are actually not the same. Gender is socially constructed, meaning that it has to do with the way a person sees themselves, the way others see them, and how they identify. This has been proven to be independent of what the person was assigned at birth. For example, if a person is born female identifies as a trans man, they are a real man, because on the inside they’re a man. If a person is nonbinary like moe, they are really nonbinary because their mind does not match male or female. You can change your gender and gender identity, because that has nothing to do with sex or how someone is assigned at birth. This argument also does not make sense because of how common intersex traits are without people even knowing. I hope this cleared things up
@@aryanyudha9264 I’m starting to think you’re a troll. There are real SCIENCE points, like neurology that have proved that trans men have brains similar to cis men, and the same for trans women and cis women. That’s real science, not sociology. And yes, intersex is relevant because you said you can’t change your gender and said that sex and gender are the same. And while we’re on the point of Caster Semenya, would you consider her male or female? Because she identifies as female, was assigned female, but her chromosomes disagree with her physical appearance and her identity. So, I’m not sure what bringing her case up was supposed to do to help you, but it actually shows that gender is more than physicality and chromosomes because those two can naturally disagree with each other. And just because it’s rare doesn’t mean there aren’t real people with intersex conditions. You also should really stop calling Elliot “she/her” pronouns because he has stated that he does not wish to use those. Elliot has not transitioned medically, but he has started his transition by coming out. Just because he didn’t immediately go on hormones or have surgery does not make him less trans, nor does it put you in the position to be rude about his transition and his life. And yes, you are being transphobic, because you’re literally saying that you can’t change gender, that it’s the same as sex, using “she/her” pronouns on a person who does not use those, which is purposefully rude and misgendering, even if you are using his new name. Saying that people have no use for him, just because he is a short trans man? That’s discrimination, and your comments have spiraled into transphobia that is actually harmful. I’m not silencing your free speech, I’m just trying to show you your ignorance and the holes in your argument. It is not rational to go out of your way to be rude to people because you disagree, and your argument is not based in logic, because it goes against sociology, which is still a social science and the way people treat trans people in society is still part of the topic. But also real science proves trans people’s existence. So yeah, you’re a transphobe, but it doesn’t mean you don’t have the freedom to say it. I’m not silencing you, I’m just trying to show you that it’s okay to show compassion and to care about people and how they feel, because feelings are actually important. These are PEOPLE. Real people.
Can I say that people shouldn't infantilise Elliot cause I've seen so many cis people treating him as if he is a "baby uwu that needs to be protected" and not a whole married 30something year old
I've seen a lot of people commenting "who cares? Why does this need an announcement" and I'm like...how else would people know what name and pronouns to use for them?
When Elliot came out as Lesbian, it was a Big deal, because they did it at a time when not many actors were out. Now is the time for different Gender Identities be acknowledged in the mainstream. Elliot acknowledged that this was the time for him to come out to the world, and live his authentic life. He also wants to be a strong, and vocal advocate and use his platform and resources to help further Trans Rights and Issues in the public sphere.
Elliot's coming out as transgender made me feel less alone. I was only able to come out to myself, my dad and my friends as nonbinary in August of this year at 35.
@@marad786 I saw a transphobic lesbian Twitter account and I kept scrolling through their page. I know I was doing digital self-harm by looking at discriminatory stuff (even though I'm not a trans woman, I could still feel how extremely disturbing their words were and I really was disturbed), but I just couldn't stop reading. One of their Tweets were something along the lines of, “Being a radical feminist is hard,” and all I could think of was, “I wonder why... oh, you're transphobic!” These people realise their transphobia strongly affects them, but they can't wrap their head around WHY it affects them. It's so sad, honestly. Anyway, I don't have Twitter nor Instagram- I was just going on social media without an account to read Elliot's coming out. I hope I can continue to stay off Twitter. It's so toxic :/
Just bc someone doesn't go along with this insane gender ideology CULT doesn't make you transphobic, but go ahead keep preaching your little gender-fluid CRAP.
And honestly, it seems like the only reason Arielle supported Trump was that she was salty that leftist LGBT people called her out on her bigoted shit. Imagine being that fucking selfish.
When I came out as a lesbian like two years ago, I only received love from the lgbt community. Especially from trans people. So I have no idea what Mars is talking about.
When Elliot came out and was on the news I was sitting with my father and he just goes: "Are you trans like him?" (except he didnt say him) and my instant reaction to not out myself terribly is just: "HAHA NO" and he believed it LMAO Im super proud of Elliot though, since I know how hard it is, especially coming out to millions of people? That takes a lot of courage.
"We lost another lesbian" Elliot never truly was a lesbian if he's trans. He was just in the closet when he presented as a lesbian. That was never his authentic self.
"No, don't be trans, I wanted to fuck you" -Arielle Terfscella, probably. Funny enough one time she practically sexually harassed Kat Blaque into kissing her during some event, and she is a STRAIGHT trans woman (Kat has her own video talking about her).
"To assume you know more about someone's identity than they do, is the height of arrogance" It's amazing how often people don't seem to get this. Just respect people enough to trust they know themselves.
@@marizess3841 yeah lol. He'll say so many transphobic things AREN'T transphobic. So when Kalvin finally admits something is transphobic its the high level stuff
"Where are all the lesbians going?" Is only an acceptable thing to say when you're a school chaperone on a field trip to the zoo looking for the softball players you accidentally left at the reptile house.
HOW DARE YOU exclude Field Hockey and Brass players?! Your narrow-minded, fall-sport-exclusionary attitudes are blindly, unjustly robbing the Lesbian Community of much-needed and always-beautful kilts, shako's and triple-tongueing. Lesbianism never has and never should require a batting helmet! I'm all for tradition and an old softball dyke myself, but trust me, you're shooting yourself in the cleat by ignoring the lacrosse team, dibs on the goaltender.
As a catholic cis female, I have something to say. He, she, they, xe; no matter what labels or pronouns you use, you are awesome, valid, and loved by God.
It’s like a straight cis man saying to a woman who came out as a lesbian “Wow we lost another straight woman guys!” Like that is just gross I identify with being lesbian and I never would think about it as a number. People change and have the right to change there status, when I was in the closet I was straight to everyone els but it didn’t mean I was really straight, so my pint is just because Elliot in the past called themselves something els doesn’t mean he is not now valid! He’s got every right just like when someone who bi then comes out as just gay or anything els. It’s because it’s a process and the problem is with people who get in there heads that everything has to stay the same, and no one can change.
I’m a she/her lesbian and I have literally never received anything but love and support from the lgbt+ community, including and especially trans and non-binary folk
* stares in they/them lesbian * EDIT: OMG THANK YOU FOR THE LIKES i have literally never gotten this many before :] follow my artblog at @eviesdraws on tumblr it's still a WIP but i am making stories featuring alot of nonbinary characters including nonbinary lesbians so if you follow you'll be sure to see a lot of that!
Questioning gender identity and sexuality can be a part of anyone's development. You have the Right to determine What you Are and the Labels, Names, and Pronouns that you want used to reflect that. No one else has the right to determine your labels; and no one should make you doubt who you are. Each person's path is unique, so please dont let what others say give you doubt about who you are. 🌈❤ standing with you in all your choices/ identities 🙂
@@katherinegallagher9081 You're kind, but gender isn't a choice in the same way that romantic and sexual orientation also aren't choices. Even if you're genderfluid or abrosexual, you still didn't get to choose that you were genderfluid or abrosexual. What you can choose, however, is the way you label yourself bt using different labels that may suit you better than the previous ones... like identifying as a panromantic homoromantic, but then identifying as 'queer' because you think that label is better for you, or identifying as a trans guy and then identifying as a trans non-binary guy because you think that label is better for you as you've just now realised your non-binaryness.
"Imagine coming out as a lesbian today" I dont need to imagine. And no, trans people don't have it easier than me in any way, quite the opposite, actually. This is such a bad take, it feels especially cringy to hear it from someone who isnt even a lesbian
Lol is Mars deluded? Saying lesbians get hate for coming out from the LGBT community? WTF is that logic? Lesbians get hate from homophobes, not the lgbt community.
I love how Arielle can say that “some” people are trans but watch her scream if you say “some” people are lesbians. Let people figure out who they are and stop acting like trans people are erasing lesbians.
i really love how quickly everyone switched up name and pronouns for elliot, it sorta felt like he always went by that his whole life and it just made me happy
Why is everyone upset because Elliot know who he is and why does it matter he’s happy it doesn’t involve them at all he’s doing his job and is enjoying his life with being an actor and with the whole “we lost another lesbian” thing made me so pissed is that hard to be supportive and with the “being non binary is a trend” isn’t really a thing, I mean it might be yea but not every female says they are non binary it’s not that easy to find who you truly are and understand what is it like to actually be able to feel confident and conformable with your body and yourself and tbh I really feel bad for Elliot I’m sure he was sick of hearing she/her 24/7
Lmao yeah. She is the mean girl of the community, except unlike Regina, nobody actually listens to her or values her bigoted opinions as much as she thinks. It’s okay Arielle, the lesbians with pronouns other than she/her and nonbinary lesbians didn’t want to sit with you anyway ❤️
That's the dumbest thing to hate. I know a trans guy *who uses she/her, non-binary people who use he/him or she/her instead of they/them and I know cis people who use they/them. Pronouns are a form of gender expression but they don't always have to correlate to one's gender! I wish people understood this very simple fact. People are like, “I don't get 'triggered' easily,” and then they start getting furious the minute you tell them you use pronouns that are different from your gender. lol.
i’m really sorry, but what exactly is a he/him lesbian? i’m always open to being educated, especially when i don’t know much about the subject. i feel as if i should know about the community in in :)
@@loveinthetimeofsocialism He/they lesbian here! :) We're just lesbians who use he/him pronouns. A lot of lesbians have a disconnect with being a woman, because we live in a heternormative society and a lot of how womanhood is defined was created by and is in relation to men. Pronouns do not always equal gender, as pronouns are a form of gender expression, just pronouns are a form of gender expression. They can match gender identity, but they don't always do, just like clothes or names. Lesbians who use he/him pronouns are not men - most of us either woman or nonbinary individuals.
as a lesbian i can say that arielle does not speak for me or any of the gay women i know. lesbophobia is rife and that there’s a lot of stigma attached to being a gender nonconforming woman, but all too often people like arielle use that point to justify their transphobia. transphobia and lesbophobia are BOTH bad. trans visibility and lesbian visibility are BOTH important, esp considering that there are trans and nb lesbians. marginalised communities shouldn’t be pitted against one another. it literally helps nobody.
@@rigbywalker7190 hi i didn't say that arielle was lesbophobic ?? - i was saying that lesbophobia IS an issue, and that arielle talks about this, but that her takes on it veer into transphobia, even though the trans and lesbian communities have some overlap and could stand in solidarity with one another. tbh i haven't seen any evidence that trans people gain money/clout/popularity points upon coming out - if anything they're more likely to be vilified because that's the world we live in. there may well be people who identify as trans/nonbinary before realising that they're actually not. It's my personal opinion that this isn't a ''threat''' to the 'reputation' of the lgbt community. neither are lgbt people in 'straight passing' relationships. wanna know what the real threat is? actual homophobia, biphobia and transphobia. the straight appropriation of lgbt culture is a whole other thing that's tied up in consumerism. dont think it can be equated to a nonbinary person wanting to use neopronouns.
I was talking with my sister about how scary it must’ve been for Elliot to come out with the amount of celebrity status he has. With how scared I was to come out to my mom as Bi a couple years ago ( she accepted me although she keeps telling me I should just “ date a guy”) I can’t imagine the strength it took to go public with this information especially with how hostile people are to Trans and Non Binary people.
(masc!genderqueer) lesbian here, I'm so happy for Elliot. I don't feel like I've "lost an another lesbian", I feel proud that he was able to come out and come out with such a powerful message. Good for him.
When I saw that Elliot Page came out as trans- non binary, I literally cry because I identify as trans-non binary(and I came out to my parents just a few weeks earlier) and I thought that what I identify as was non existing and non important, and now I know that is valid and it exist ... I'm so freaking happy :,)
@@marad786 she's racist and a racist and also a transphobe/terf. We don't claim her in the lesbian community. Trans lesbians exist, gender non conforming lesbians exist, non binary lesbians exist, and masculine identified lesbians exist. Elliot Page is he/they. No one should misgender them. It's disrespectful to him and transphobic.
When Elliot first came out I was so excited, but after the first 24 hours I went "I bet Arielle is gonna make a video about this 🙄" then I realized I havent checked her instagram to laugh at for awhile.... I went onto there and guess what video was the first thing I saw?
i'll be honest, as a lesbian, when I first heard Elliots news I was a bit taken aback, as he was so iconic in the lesbian community... but then I got over it because i'm a decent human being an its none of my business. its really not hard.
I have very little hope I'll ever be able to come out to my parents. They don't understand trans and especially not non-binary trans. Especially as a feminine non-binary person (afab) and my friends who know only use one of my pronouns.
Hope you can eventually! I'm also not planning to come out any time soon, but if you have any friends that understand but don't respect your pronouns fully, you should talk to them about it! Good luck :)
Hey you can get through this, these words may not mean much to you but hey If you want to, maybe try just casually bringing the topic up, without implying anything too specific just to see how they react and if it's really not safe, try to get out of there as soon as you can! You can join online groups like discord servers for example lgbtq+ servers to talk about it, maybe try out different names(if you don't already have one) and just see how it feels! And if your friends don't respect your identity, they're not real friends. If you want them to use your other pronouns, maybe try talking to them about it? Good luck and much love!!
Same. This is why I get to hear my, let's say, not so tolerant aunt talk about "my new sexuality" in reference to my gender identity. It's not a preference, it's who I am.
@@Itri_Vega OOOOH! I was about to ask why it was wrong but this helped me make sense of it. I'm guilty if calling transgender people transexual. Ty for educating me!
@@Enigma-pj3co It's just kind of outdated so it's often said by conservatives who aren't really on our side when it comes to basic human rights. So over time it got a bit of a bad taste to it on top of leading to people thinking sexual orientation and gender identity go hand in hand, which they don't. Trans people can be ace, gay, lesbian, bi/pan etc. like everyone else. I don't know if any trans people out there have reclaimed it and use it to describe themselves but I personally wouldn't use it and refer to myself as trans/ transgender.
I remember when I came out as a trans woman to my mum, and I mentioned I would be looking for a doctor and hormones. My mum was instantly like "WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY GONNA DO THE THING!?" and I knew already, oof, this was gonna be a rough ride 😂 So yes, don't ask trans people right away about their surgeries.
Also, I really hate the responses that are like "well, he helped us come out, so let us mourn" and shit like that because it's so selfish. You felt empowered by their support, but you can't be assed to give them that same feeling? He's come out and trying to live as himself. That's not something to mourn! He's still clearly incredibly supportive of the LGBTQ+ community and outspoken about our oppression and treatment in society, so what on earth did y'all "lose." The entitlement of these people is the same as homophobic parents who mourn their kid coming put as gay because "we won't be grandparents" or something. It's selfish and frankly embarrassing.
I have listened to their statement being read by other people at least a couple times already, but you reading that out made me be on the brink of crying. It was beautiful.
The idea that ppl “lost another lesbian” makes absolutely no sense because Elliot was never a lesbian in the first place. And I don’t understand why that’s so hard for ppl to get
At the beginning of the year Mars and I were sort of seeing each other... I didn’t like a lot of the things he said or believed in but he did make me feel desirable and that kind of breaks my brain. I ended things for unrelated reasons after only a month or so, but I feel so embarrassed about that now. The way he treats other trans people and enbies should’ve been enough to put me off of ever taking to him in the first place. Between my sibling coming out as enby and awesome creators like you, Brennan, and others, I’m learning to be a better ally and to love my own transness more and more. I greatly appreciate your voice and presence in this community
Hey it's okay that you didn't sacrifice your braincells and go through the rest of Arielle's video. I just refreshed my youtube homepage and Noah uploaded his own video on Arielle.
Why do some people get all “WHY ME???” When someone comes out as lgbt??? Like y’all it has nothing to do with you, let em live and be happy as themselves and CHILL.
I don't how anyone can see it as THEIR loss when someone else comes out. It's never a loss, no-one is losing a lesbian, a daughter, a sister etc... someone found themselves, which is a net gain in my book.
I once commented under Arielle's video, and the level of immaturity on the replies I got tells all we need to know about her fanbase... and about her mindset, in the end of the day.
Just a tip for anyone wondering: When referring to someone who uses multiple pronouns, unless specified, it's generally best to use them interchangeably at the same time-- for example, "He's my friend, their name is ___"
I find it hilarious how she says right at the beginning annoyed, “we did it guys” like someone’s actions are responsible for Elliot coming out. As a masculine non-binary person myself, it’s so funny to see her act like the LGBTQ+ community has made some mistake for respecting his identity.
The thing is Elliot was never a lesbian it was a stepping stone to realise his true identity and at the time he might of thought that it was true but it turned out it wasn't. When I started realizing I liked girls I said I was bi but I'm not bi and I never was Bi I'm actually a lesbian.
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Imagine saying oh no we lost another hetero when arielle came out as lesbian
She is being so hypocrite, she should mind her fucking own business, Elliot is not just a number on her statistics, Elliot is a human being, with emotions, feelings and identity, Arielle is just being spiteful, on purpose, not due to lack of info, but pure raw transphobia... She is a despicable human being.
Exactly. She’d hate that.
I thought the same thing when I saw her video. In hindsight, my comment whee I tried to correct her was far too polite
*when
Lol so fragile
I wonder if Arielle realizes that she wouldn't be losing lesbians if she would recognize trans lesbians 😬
Facts
Truly
funnily enough, Arielle is losing more lesbians by being transphobic against trans lesbians. She's going against herself at this point.
Arielle clearly believes that trans women are less of women than cis women. She just won’t directly say it. She literally said that the word “woman” shouldn’t include trans women that are pre-op and pre-hormone (Noah Finnce cites this in his video on Arielle). This completely ignores that some trans women have health issues that prevent them from taking hormones and there are valid concerns about SRS that lead many trans people to decide to not get surgeries.
Edit: I meant to say that Arielle believes trans women are LESS of women than cis women, not more. I mistyped that.
EXACTLY!!!!
“Elliot coming out shows how young girls are pressured”
Elliot it literally an adult but go off I guess
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Elliot’s in his 30s for hell’s sakes. I came out at 25 so obviously he’s put a lot of thought into this. He’s a grown ass adult
exactly lmao
Like Elliot may be blessed/cursed with youthful looks but that doesn't mean they aren't a fully grown human
Also, not being an adult doesn’t make your gender any less valid.
"We lost another lesbian" Is the equivalent to saying "What a waste" to a gay person.
Exactly! That was my first thought too.
THIS!
Yes
Arielle: be yourself, do what you want
*trans person existing*
also Arielle: no, not like that
Yugi said trans rights!
LITERALLY, THOUGH
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@@LilyoftheLake14 dhmis?
As someone said on twitter: "We haven't lost a lesbian. We've gained a king"
I love this 💗
HELL YEAH
YESSSSS
Facts
Hell yeah
She should get a life, even suggesting Elliot is not " really " trans, and treating people as they were just a number, just a soldier on her team, it is so sick
Still free speech, trying to force people to think different will just end up making it worse, some people will like trans, some will like gay, most wont know the difference if you just don't make it obvious.
Am so done with the victim mentality
@@mattyy101 “free speech” doesn’t give you an excuse to spew hateful rhetoric. You can say whatever you want, but you aren’t exempt from criticism.
@@lizardman7718 Yes everyone should be able to take criticism,
Not make certain groups someone decided need to be protected.
@@mattyy101 I don’t even know what you mean by this. Marginalized groups should be protected.
@@lizardman7718 no everyone should be protected then, you not more special than lets say a white male geek...
Imagine when Arielle discovers that there are trans lesbians
Yeah. Surely by her logic, a trans woman who’s also a lesbian coming out would be them gaining a lesbian.
I think her smooth little brain would just explode if someone tried explaining trans lesbians to her
Sadly she did and she also had spoken numerous times about how she won't fck them and how she opressed for not doing so and other terfy bullshit
@@oppakunn328 I don’t know why Arielle needed to make those videos. People on her shitting on her on Twitter for not wanting to have sex with a trans woman with a penis. Why not just make one tweet on Twitter that says something like “My preferences are based in bigotry. I find penises a turn off. I’m not going to change my preferences because of your ignorance.” But instead she made like five UA-cam videos? What’s the point? Most people are fine with your preferences. Twitter is just filled with crazies on all political spectrums.
No she doesn't like them and she doesn't want to date them because they don't have....so you know
I didn’t think people would actually say something as dumb as “losing a lesbian”, just let people be damn
Gatekeepers are so petty
It's amazing that AS can be so blind about how self-entitled her attitude is, she actually thinks her personal disappointment is a public service.
@Eliza Walker - Many lesbians start life saying they are straight because it's "normal" and they hadn't questioned it yet. So we could ask: "Why are lesbians ashamed of being straight?" That's how condescending this is. Needing others to conform to your categories because it's easier for you would be self-serving.
Ironically, people who identified as lesbian before and since moved on to understand themselves as something else are in a better position to support the lesbian cause than somebody who stays and secretly doubts themselves.
@Eliza Walker nonbinary isnt a made up thing, that’s like saying being gay is a made up thing because we thought we are straight at first.
And then imagine then to justify it asking the question I am just asking a question where are are the straight girls going
"You aren't being 'cancelled,' you are hurting people." *side eyes JK Rowling*
Funny cause jk rowlings is transphobic
You are hurting people.
@@cheezitchiballs5085 She isn’t tho. You’re just brainwashed.
@@fatuusdottore give me proof she isn’t. Proof the tweets were fake. Proof she didn’t actually write that book
@@fatuusdottore She is. There is plenty of proof that she is, and I'm not going to sugarcoat my words for a billionaire who couldn't care less about anyone but herself.
The way she says “it’s an issue we are losing are lesbians” is similar to people complaining about gay people because it’ll “lessen” heterosexual people or something. Like what??
Exactly, imagine someone saying "we've lost another straight woman" When someone comes out as lesbian
Also there's plenty of lesbians, they all just hate her and people like her because in this community we do not fucking accept bigotry because we know what it feels like to be discriminated against by a judgemental society
“What a waste”
I love that she literally says that people shouldn't be calling her a TERF and says on her twitter that "Trans Women shouldn't be concern of Feminism"
Make it make sense, sister
Yo even worse, she is so stupid because she doesn't even give a shut about feminism, she is a Trump supporter and has done videos reacting to, in her words, crazy SJW feminists, she is just baiting and grifting on terfs and lmao if they take the bait
“Don’t call me a TERF! I just want to exclude trans people from my feminism!!” lmao
This might sound dumb but what is a TERF? I've heard the word a lot but I've never actually heard what the meaning is.
@@ruth325 it stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists
@@ruth325 Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist. Basically, they're a 'feminist', but they exclude trans people from the discussion and think that trans women are 'invading' feminist spaces because they're actually men not women (which isn't true, trans women are women, of course). Being a feminist is about understanding intersectionality (discrimination on the basis of sexuality, romantic/sexual orientation, gender, race etc.) and if your feminism doesn't include trans women, it's not feminism.
Arielle can't find other lesbians because we've all blocked her like in that one episode of Black Mirror. Anyway, congratulations to Elliot I think he's incredibly brave & compassionate!
@ac McG we are under no obligation to tolerate the intolerant
We just meme her at this point.
@@fartsmella9267 No, thats stalking and doxxing. Blocking = Cancelled
@@sarahgabriella84 If you 'cancel' someone, you make it so that they aren't able to voice their opinion any more. Intimidating them through stalking and doxxing is one way to do this (and a bad thing to do).
If you simply choose not to listen to what a person is saying, then you haven't silenced them. They're still free to say whatever they want. Nobody owes it to them to listen.
It's like if somebody writes a book that's terribly written, and so nobody buys it; they haven't been silenced, nobody prevented them from publishing the book, but people aren't obliged to buy it and read it either.
So blocking her is not 'cancelling' her, as she can still voice her opinion as much as she wants; some people just don't want to have to be forced to listen to her.
Side-note: a lot of the people complaining about being "cancelled" HAVEN'T been silenced. Look at JK Rowling; since making her transphobic comments last year she's published a novel, written loads of articles, given loads of talks about how 'silenced' she is (does she even recognise the irony in that?), been interviewed by all kinds of media, and has recently even been given an award by the BBC for an article in which she doubles down on her transphobia. She claims to have been 'silenced', all while having every opportunity to broadcast her opinion.
It's true that a small percentage of her critics have attacked her online, with death threats and the like, and that is completely unacceptable. However, it's not fair to characterise all people who criticise her as violent oppressors, when the majority are simply disagreeing with her. It might seem like she's being overwhelmingly attacked from all sides from her point of view, because she's in the centre of it and it may feel overwhelming. There's also the fact that people who have been victims of abuse in the past tend to be hyper-vigilant for threats and can interpret criticism as an attack because of this. I'd hate to be at the centre of a Twitter storm, it sounds terrifying.
However, she still needs to be accountable for her words! She's free to speak her mind, but other people are free to criticise her for those words. Not all criticism is an 'attack'. In fact, telling people that they can't criticise you is an attempt to silence them. Rowling is essentially saying that SHE should have freedom of speech, but people who disagree with her shouldn't.
The problem is that instead of criticising the things she has said, the media and many everyday people are now busy accusing trans people and their allies of "cancelling" opinions they don't like. So the mainstream conversation ISN'T about the fact that this very powerful woman is oppressing an already oppressed minority group; instead, people are turning on this group and criticising them because of the actions of a small minority within that group who have taken things too far.
It reminds me of the BLM movement. The vast majority of protesters are peaceful. A small minority are violent and attack police and property. Suddenly, people are characterising the whole BLM movement as violent, when what they should actually be doing is asking: why are these people protesting in the first place? Instead of focusing on the intense racial oppression permeating societies worldwide, people are instead asking "why are black people so violent?" The answer: they aren't. A small number of protestors have taken things too far, and now everybody is being painted with the same brush.
We shouldn't be blaming oppressed minorities and criticising their actions based on a few fringe extremists. *People seem to be more willing to criticise a minority's reaction to oppression than to criticise the oppression itself.* Instead of criticising minorities for speaking up, we should be listening to their concerns.
"GIRLS identifying as nonbinary" mmmm smth aint right here
How when nonbinary literally means that you dont identify entirely as male or female, or neither
Ugh, that pisses me off so much. It’s painfully clear that so many people view afab nonbinary people as women lite, or as quirky or confused cis girls. It’s so condescending too, like, she thinks she’s being super nice by entertaining the thought of our existence.
There are people who identify as Nonbinary trans woman and Nonbinary woman and vise versa just putting it out there
Ok but let’s not forget there are plenty of ppl who identify as non-binary girls
@@notaninstrument7707 of course! There totally are, and that's valid. But that isn't what Arielle and others like her mean.
Lmao, Kalvin Garrah calling Arielle transphobic is so surreal. Life can be so absurd sometimes.
You know you’re transphobic when even kalvin considers u transphobic
@@Doglover-gh9ut literally, hahaha
Morale is at an all time low
@@aryanyudha9264 so the thing is is gender and “biological sex” are actually not the same. Gender is socially constructed, meaning that it has to do with the way a person sees themselves, the way others see them, and how they identify. This has been proven to be independent of what the person was assigned at birth. For example, if a person is born female identifies as a trans man, they are a real man, because on the inside they’re a man. If a person is nonbinary like moe, they are really nonbinary because their mind does not match male or female. You can change your gender and gender identity, because that has nothing to do with sex or how someone is assigned at birth. This argument also does not make sense because of how common intersex traits are without people even knowing. I hope this cleared things up
@@aryanyudha9264 I’m starting to think you’re a troll. There are real SCIENCE points, like neurology that have proved that trans men have brains similar to cis men, and the same for trans women and cis women. That’s real science, not sociology. And yes, intersex is relevant because you said you can’t change your gender and said that sex and gender are the same. And while we’re on the point of Caster Semenya, would you consider her male or female? Because she identifies as female, was assigned female, but her chromosomes disagree with her physical appearance and her identity. So, I’m not sure what bringing her case up was supposed to do to help you, but it actually shows that gender is more than physicality and chromosomes because those two can naturally disagree with each other. And just because it’s rare doesn’t mean there aren’t real people with intersex conditions. You also should really stop calling Elliot “she/her” pronouns because he has stated that he does not wish to use those. Elliot has not transitioned medically, but he has started his transition by coming out. Just because he didn’t immediately go on hormones or have surgery does not make him less trans, nor does it put you in the position to be rude about his transition and his life. And yes, you are being transphobic, because you’re literally saying that you can’t change gender, that it’s the same as sex, using “she/her” pronouns on a person who does not use those, which is purposefully rude and misgendering, even if you are using his new name. Saying that people have no use for him, just because he is a short trans man? That’s discrimination, and your comments have spiraled into transphobia that is actually harmful. I’m not silencing your free speech, I’m just trying to show you your ignorance and the holes in your argument. It is not rational to go out of your way to be rude to people because you disagree, and your argument is not based in logic, because it goes against sociology, which is still a social science and the way people treat trans people in society is still part of the topic. But also real science proves trans people’s existence. So yeah, you’re a transphobe, but it doesn’t mean you don’t have the freedom to say it. I’m not silencing you, I’m just trying to show you that it’s okay to show compassion and to care about people and how they feel, because feelings are actually important. These are PEOPLE. Real people.
Can I say that people shouldn't infantilise Elliot cause I've seen so many cis people treating him as if he is a "baby uwu that needs to be protected" and not a whole married 30something year old
HONESTLY
YEP. The infantilising of trans men and nonbinary people online is ridiculous.
Yess, sexualizing trans people is just as transphobic as denying them is
This is ridiculous. Autistic people such as myself are also often infantilized and it’s so annoying.
@@NatureLover-pj2qe as an autistic trans person I agree, it gets so irritating.
To me, that "we've lost another lesbian" comment sounds like the guys who have told me "oh, you're a lesbian? What a waste".
lmao literally , i hate people
I've seen a lot of people commenting "who cares? Why does this need an announcement" and I'm like...how else would people know what name and pronouns to use for them?
When Elliot came out as Lesbian, it was a Big deal, because they did it at a time when not many actors were out.
Now is the time for different Gender Identities be acknowledged in the mainstream. Elliot acknowledged that this was the time for him to come out to the world, and live his authentic life. He also wants to be a strong, and vocal advocate and use his platform and resources to help further Trans Rights and Issues in the public sphere.
Same people who said that Pete Davidson shouldn’t talk about suicidal ideology if he’s not /really/ going to kill himself
@@christalcavanaugh *cough* Shallon Lester *cough*
The "who cares" crowd are basically saying quit talking about it,and hide it in a closet.Who cares is passive aggressive shove us in a closet
Elliot's coming out as transgender made me feel less alone. I was only able to come out to myself, my dad and my friends as nonbinary in August of this year at 35.
❤️❤️
So proud of you!!❤️
Congrats!! ❤️🌈
Congrats 🌈
Awww Happy Belated C.O.day ( aug.)🍾🥳🎂🌈 💞🌍
Wow, transphobia really is trendy if transphobic lesbians are crawling out of the woodworks like this
They're getting way too bold on twitter. Big ew.
Hey! Do we remember when Homophobia was the trending thing? Why is one minority, that had to fight for recognition, 💩 on others🧐
@@marad786 I saw a transphobic lesbian Twitter account and I kept scrolling through their page. I know I was doing digital self-harm by looking at discriminatory stuff (even though I'm not a trans woman, I could still feel how extremely disturbing their words were and I really was disturbed), but I just couldn't stop reading. One of their Tweets were something along the lines of, “Being a radical feminist is hard,” and all I could think of was, “I wonder why... oh, you're transphobic!”
These people realise their transphobia strongly affects them, but they can't wrap their head around WHY it affects them. It's so sad, honestly. Anyway, I don't have Twitter nor Instagram- I was just going on social media without an account to read Elliot's coming out. I hope I can continue to stay off Twitter. It's so toxic :/
Just bc someone doesn't go along with this insane gender ideology CULT doesn't make you transphobic, but go ahead keep preaching your little gender-fluid CRAP.
'We're afraid to lose our rights' *𝘀𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝘀 𝗧𝗿𝘂𝗺𝗽*
SKSKSKSJS HONESTLY
And honestly, it seems like the only reason Arielle supported Trump was that she was salty that leftist LGBT people called her out on her bigoted shit. Imagine being that fucking selfish.
@@PhoenixRising87 Ikr, imagine the mental gymnastics she has to go through haha
The sad thing this is Arielle being tame cause she hates trans women 😔
She’s another Blaire White
I know and its very sad that people wanna spread hate
Also she is a trump supporter
@@Im_niaxx Blair Witch ??
@@fredmichaels418 Blair Bitch?😬
When I came out as a lesbian like two years ago, I only received love from the lgbt community. Especially from trans people. So I have no idea what Mars is talking about.
When Elliot came out and was on the news I was sitting with my father and he just goes:
"Are you trans like him?" (except he didnt say him)
and my instant reaction to not out myself terribly is just: "HAHA NO"
and he believed it LMAO
Im super proud of Elliot though, since I know how hard it is, especially coming out to millions of people? That takes a lot of courage.
It sucks when parents don't understand, I can relate
"We lost another lesbian"
Elliot never truly was a lesbian if he's trans. He was just in the closet when he presented as a lesbian. That was never his authentic self.
"a lot of *girls* identify as *non-binary* ". wow. has he even thought about the sentence before saying it?
Normal people: LGBTQ+
Arielle Scarcella: LGBQ+
Arielle might even get rid of B 🙂
@@katherinegallagher9081 yes
Hell she would probably get rid of the Q too
LGB
@@ReplyGuy22345 LG
I think Arielle is just mad because she had on crush on Elliott.
Or that she's just a disgusting horrible person.
"No, don't be trans, I wanted to fuck you" -Arielle Terfscella, probably.
Funny enough one time she practically sexually harassed Kat Blaque into kissing her during some event, and she is a STRAIGHT trans woman (Kat has her own video talking about her).
or both
You sjws and your "horrible disgusting person" shit
@@cidevant002 damn
@@moistchunk9143 lmao go get a lyfe
"We're losing lesbians"
Bruh trans lesbians exist lmao
Lmao she doesn't like trans lesbians either.
"To assume you know more about someone's identity than they do, is the height of arrogance"
It's amazing how often people don't seem to get this. Just respect people enough to trust they know themselves.
“girls are identifying as nonbinary”
_-honey. no.-_
please say that again, but slower
When Kalvin says something is transphobic it is SUPER transphobic. When Moe gets mad you know shit just got real
so, yes, in a way, Kelvin is a transphobometer. If HE calls something transphobic, it means that the number of degrees exceeds the measurable figure.
@@marizess3841 yeah lol. He'll say so many transphobic things AREN'T transphobic. So when Kalvin finally admits something is transphobic its the high level stuff
Was so excited when Elliot came out! As someone who is non binary it was so inspiring! Thanks for covering this Moe, much love
"Where are all the lesbians going?" Is only an acceptable thing to say when you're a school chaperone on a field trip to the zoo looking for the softball players you accidentally left at the reptile house.
HOW DARE YOU exclude Field Hockey and Brass players?! Your narrow-minded, fall-sport-exclusionary attitudes are blindly, unjustly robbing the Lesbian Community of much-needed and always-beautful kilts, shako's and triple-tongueing. Lesbianism never has and never should require a batting helmet! I'm all for tradition and an old softball dyke myself, but trust me, you're shooting yourself in the cleat by ignoring the lacrosse team, dibs on the goaltender.
As a catholic cis female, I have something to say.
He, she, they, xe; no matter what labels or pronouns you use, you are awesome, valid, and loved by God.
thank u
Yess thank you!!
^w^ thank you
Of course! God loves all his creations!
thank you this made me rly happy ^__^
Arielle would win at transphobia limbo with how low she goes
It’s like a straight cis man saying to a woman who came out as a lesbian
“Wow we lost another straight woman guys!” Like that is just gross
I identify with being lesbian and I never would think about it as a number. People change and have the right to change there status, when I was in the closet I was straight to everyone els but it didn’t mean I was really straight, so my pint is just because Elliot in the past called themselves something els doesn’t mean he is not now valid!
He’s got every right just like when someone who bi then comes out as just gay or anything els. It’s because it’s a process and the problem is with people who get in there heads that everything has to stay the same, and no one can change.
I’m a she/her lesbian and I have literally never received anything but love and support from the lgbt+ community, including and especially trans and non-binary folk
* stares in they/them lesbian *
EDIT: OMG THANK YOU FOR THE LIKES i have literally never gotten this many before :] follow my artblog at @eviesdraws on tumblr it's still a WIP but i am making stories featuring alot of nonbinary characters including nonbinary lesbians so if you follow you'll be sure to see a lot of that!
**stares alongside the they/them lesbian in support**
Questioning gender identity and sexuality can be a part of anyone's development. You have the Right to determine What you Are and the Labels, Names, and Pronouns that you want used to reflect that. No one else has the right to determine your labels; and no one should make you doubt who you are.
Each person's path is unique, so please dont let what others say give you doubt about who you are.
🌈❤ standing with you in all your choices/ identities 🙂
@@katherinegallagher9081 You're kind, but gender isn't a choice in the same way that romantic and sexual orientation also aren't choices. Even if you're genderfluid or abrosexual, you still didn't get to choose that you were genderfluid or abrosexual. What you can choose, however, is the way you label yourself bt using different labels that may suit you better than the previous ones... like identifying as a panromantic homoromantic, but then identifying as 'queer' because you think that label is better for you, or identifying as a trans guy and then identifying as a trans non-binary guy because you think that label is better for you as you've just now realised your non-binaryness.
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 they were talking about choosing a label, not identity
@curious little raindrop they were talking about choosing a label, not identity
Netflix is working to change all of Page's credits in film to be Elliot Page instead of their deadname
Really? That’s amazing!!
"Imagine coming out as a lesbian today" I dont need to imagine. And no, trans people don't have it easier than me in any way, quite the opposite, actually. This is such a bad take, it feels especially cringy to hear it from someone who isnt even a lesbian
Lol is Mars deluded? Saying lesbians get hate for coming out from the LGBT community? WTF is that logic? Lesbians get hate from homophobes, not the lgbt community.
It was a hypothetical situation to get across the point of how absurd denying someone else’s gender identity is.
Oh wait sorry I hadn’t gotten to that point yet never mind 🤦♀️
@Olive how is it exclusionary? i think it includes nonbinary people because i have seen a lot of they/them, he/him (nonbinary) lesbians online
I came out as a lesbian this year, but that probably doesn't count to Ms. Scarcella, since I'm nonbinary/genderfluid.
I love how Arielle can say that “some” people are trans but watch her scream if you say “some” people are lesbians. Let people figure out who they are and stop acting like trans people are erasing lesbians.
i really love how quickly everyone switched up name and pronouns for elliot, it sorta felt like he always went by that his whole life and it just made me happy
I’m literally so done with Arielle
we didn't "lose a member of the lesbian community" because Elliot Page was never a lesbian
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Why is everyone upset because Elliot know who he is and why does it matter he’s happy it doesn’t involve them at all he’s doing his job and is enjoying his life with being an actor and with the whole “we lost another lesbian” thing made me so pissed is that hard to be supportive and with the “being non binary is a trend” isn’t really a thing, I mean it might be yea but not every female says they are non binary it’s not that easy to find who you truly are and understand what is it like to actually be able to feel confident and conformable with your body and yourself and tbh I really feel bad for Elliot I’m sure he was sick of hearing she/her 24/7
'when kalvin garrah calls u out for transphobia u know u've fucked up'
YEAHwtf
I don't see how she can deny being transphobic when she makes videos like these. This is the nail in the coffin.
I swear her saying where are all our lesbians going is the same as when a dude says where are all our straight women going.
i love moe so much like they literally just
"politely flips you off and roasts the shit outta you" i love them sm lol
Hehehehe
it is fitting that she made a video about hating he/him lesbians and named the video after something said in mean girls
Lmao yeah. She is the mean girl of the community, except unlike Regina, nobody actually listens to her or values her bigoted opinions as much as she thinks. It’s okay Arielle, the lesbians with pronouns other than she/her and nonbinary lesbians didn’t want to sit with you anyway ❤️
That's the dumbest thing to hate. I know a trans guy *who uses she/her, non-binary people who use he/him or she/her instead of they/them and I know cis people who use they/them. Pronouns are a form of gender expression but they don't always have to correlate to one's gender! I wish people understood this very simple fact. People are like, “I don't get 'triggered' easily,” and then they start getting furious the minute you tell them you use pronouns that are different from your gender. lol.
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 you're so right!
i’m really sorry, but what exactly is a he/him lesbian? i’m always open to being educated, especially when i don’t know much about the subject. i feel as if i should know about the community in in :)
@@loveinthetimeofsocialism He/they lesbian here! :) We're just lesbians who use he/him pronouns. A lot of lesbians have a disconnect with being a woman, because we live in a heternormative society and a lot of how womanhood is defined was created by and is in relation to men. Pronouns do not always equal gender, as pronouns are a form of gender expression, just pronouns are a form of gender expression. They can match gender identity, but they don't always do, just like clothes or names. Lesbians who use he/him pronouns are not men - most of us either woman or nonbinary individuals.
The amount of braincells I've lost after seeing her tweets talking about Elliot is ASTRONOMICAL
I’m Trans Masculine and I was so excited when Elliot came out, it’s great to see people like me
I’m so happy for Elliot I always felt he seemed uncomfortable about something and I think this will help him gain so much more confidence in himself
Yesss I was hoping you’d talk about this!
as a lesbian i can say that arielle does not speak for me or any of the gay women i know. lesbophobia is rife and that there’s a lot of stigma attached to being a gender nonconforming woman, but all too often people like arielle use that point to justify their transphobia. transphobia and lesbophobia are BOTH bad. trans visibility and lesbian visibility are BOTH important, esp considering that there are trans and nb lesbians. marginalised communities shouldn’t be pitted against one another. it literally helps nobody.
@@rigbywalker7190 hi i didn't say that arielle was lesbophobic ?? - i was saying that lesbophobia IS an issue, and that arielle talks about this, but that her takes on it veer into transphobia, even though the trans and lesbian communities have some overlap and could stand in solidarity with one another. tbh i haven't seen any evidence that trans people gain money/clout/popularity points upon coming out - if anything they're more likely to be vilified because that's the world we live in. there may well be people who identify as trans/nonbinary before realising that they're actually not. It's my personal opinion that this isn't a ''threat''' to the 'reputation' of the lgbt community. neither are lgbt people in 'straight passing' relationships. wanna know what the real threat is? actual homophobia, biphobia and transphobia. the straight appropriation of lgbt culture is a whole other thing that's tied up in consumerism. dont think it can be equated to a nonbinary person wanting to use neopronouns.
I was talking with my sister about how scary it must’ve been for Elliot to come out with the amount of celebrity status he has. With how scared I was to come out to my mom as Bi a couple years ago ( she accepted me although she keeps telling me I should just “ date a guy”) I can’t imagine the strength it took to go public with this information especially with how hostile people are to Trans and Non Binary people.
(masc!genderqueer) lesbian here, I'm so happy for Elliot. I don't feel like I've "lost an another lesbian", I feel proud that he was able to come out and come out with such a powerful message. Good for him.
When I saw that Elliot Page came out as trans- non binary, I literally cry because I identify as trans-non binary(and I came out to my parents just a few weeks earlier) and I thought that what I identify as was non existing and non important, and now I know that is valid and it exist ... I'm so freaking happy :,)
Arielle Scarlet makes me so upset. The way she talks and acts is so infuriating- genuinely she makes me wanna cry lol
Her anti-BLM video made me feel sick. Her hateful content is so damaging.
@@marad786 HONESTLY. I look in the comments and there’s so many hateful people. It’s disgusting what she’s done with her audience.
@@marad786 she's racist and a racist and also a transphobe/terf. We don't claim her in the lesbian community. Trans lesbians exist, gender non conforming lesbians exist, non binary lesbians exist, and masculine identified lesbians exist. Elliot Page is he/they. No one should misgender them. It's disrespectful to him and transphobic.
From a trans woman to a non binary person, we will outlive these transphobes! Keep it up boo, youre awesome!
When Elliot first came out I was so excited, but after the first 24 hours I went "I bet Arielle is gonna make a video about this 🙄" then I realized I havent checked her instagram to laugh at for awhile.... I went onto there and guess what video was the first thing I saw?
i'll be honest, as a lesbian, when I first heard Elliots news I was a bit taken aback, as he was so iconic in the lesbian community... but then I got over it because i'm a decent human being an its none of my business. its really not hard.
I have very little hope I'll ever be able to come out to my parents. They don't understand trans and especially not non-binary trans. Especially as a feminine non-binary person (afab) and my friends who know only use one of my pronouns.
Hope you can eventually! I'm also not planning to come out any time soon, but if you have any friends that understand but don't respect your pronouns fully, you should talk to them about it! Good luck :)
Hey you can get through this, these words may not mean much to you but hey
If you want to, maybe try just casually bringing the topic up, without implying anything too specific just to see how they react and if it's really not safe, try to get out of there as soon as you can! You can join online groups like discord servers for example lgbtq+ servers to talk about it, maybe try out different names(if you don't already have one) and just see how it feels!
And if your friends don't respect your identity, they're not real friends. If you want them to use your other pronouns, maybe try talking to them about it?
Good luck and much love!!
wtf I hate when people call transgender people "transsexuals" like wtf
Oki..thank you guys for the likes. This is more than I have ever gotten.
Same. This is why I get to hear my, let's say, not so tolerant aunt talk about "my new sexuality" in reference to my gender identity. It's not a preference, it's who I am.
@@Itri_Vega OOOOH! I was about to ask why it was wrong but this helped me make sense of it. I'm guilty if calling transgender people transexual. Ty for educating me!
@@Enigma-pj3co It's just kind of outdated so it's often said by conservatives who aren't really on our side when it comes to basic human rights. So over time it got a bit of a bad taste to it on top of leading to people thinking sexual orientation and gender identity go hand in hand, which they don't. Trans people can be ace, gay, lesbian, bi/pan etc. like everyone else. I don't know if any trans people out there have reclaimed it and use it to describe themselves but I personally wouldn't use it and refer to myself as trans/ transgender.
she really thinks elliot's coming out is about her lmao
Terfs: Omg nooooo 😰😰 we lost another lesbian!! 😡🤬
Me: *laughs in gay trans man who never liked girls in the first place*
I remember when I came out as a trans woman to my mum, and I mentioned I would be looking for a doctor and hormones. My mum was instantly like "WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY GONNA DO THE THING!?" and I knew already, oof, this was gonna be a rough ride 😂
So yes, don't ask trans people right away about their surgeries.
Also, I really hate the responses that are like "well, he helped us come out, so let us mourn" and shit like that because it's so selfish. You felt empowered by their support, but you can't be assed to give them that same feeling? He's come out and trying to live as himself. That's not something to mourn! He's still clearly incredibly supportive of the LGBTQ+ community and outspoken about our oppression and treatment in society, so what on earth did y'all "lose." The entitlement of these people is the same as homophobic parents who mourn their kid coming put as gay because "we won't be grandparents" or something. It's selfish and frankly embarrassing.
your accent is so cute!!!! the way you say elliot lolllll
Awhh thank you !
@@CopsHateMoe i love your content btw
Ah-lee-ut :)
for realll, Moe's voice is just *chef's kiss*
Elliot page coming out
Arielle : And I took that personally
Can't the lgbt community just get along. I mean we've all been oppressed and all.... We've all had to fight for our place in this world.
Trans people are all truly swag and valid as hell.
I have listened to their statement being read by other people at least a couple times already, but you reading that out made me be on the brink of crying. It was beautiful.
it makes me so mad that Arielle has a name that is so similar to mine like, I don't want to have a similar name as a trans hating bish >:(
Is your name Ariel?
I just think Ariel's a sick name but if your name is not Ariel I would love to know what it is and I'm sure it is also sick
@@mothmanlol6263 Nah it's Adrielle. very similar
@@AGenntleMann adrielle sounds even sicker, I've never heard that name before but it reminds me of a Greek god
@@mothmanlol6263 in Latin it means dark, maybe that's what it reminds you of
As a lesbian, I’m not claiming Arielle
Ditto.
We do not claim this mess!
The comment about us avoiding her isn’t wrong...
The idea that ppl “lost another lesbian” makes absolutely no sense because Elliot was never a lesbian in the first place. And I don’t understand why that’s so hard for ppl to get
I have never truly been as happy as when I realized that Arielle hates me as a he/him lesbian 😌😌
+10 feeling safe
At the beginning of the year Mars and I were sort of seeing each other... I didn’t like a lot of the things he said or believed in but he did make me feel desirable and that kind of breaks my brain. I ended things for unrelated reasons after only a month or so, but I feel so embarrassed about that now. The way he treats other trans people and enbies should’ve been enough to put me off of ever taking to him in the first place. Between my sibling coming out as enby and awesome creators like you, Brennan, and others, I’m learning to be a better ally and to love my own transness more and more.
I greatly appreciate your voice and presence in this community
this is a great video moe, you’re so well-spoken!
Thanks for the video moe!
as usual, you made great valid points! I admire the way you express yourself
imagine being an lgbt member and being an lgbtphobic.
wow i cant even
"Its never borong with arielle"
What? Literally everyone predicted the first sentence of her video. Shes boring and predictable.
Hey it's okay that you didn't sacrifice your braincells and go through the rest of Arielle's video. I just refreshed my youtube homepage and Noah uploaded his own video on Arielle.
Moe bless u this vid was the serotonin I needed
Hedgehog shirt!
Since you see comments, try to pronounce "Vollpfosten" because it is what this mearmaid is.
Why do some people get all “WHY ME???” When someone comes out as lgbt??? Like y’all it has nothing to do with you, let em live and be happy as themselves and CHILL.
Arielle tagging Elliot on twitter to spew hate at him makes my blood boil
I don't how anyone can see it as THEIR loss when someone else comes out.
It's never a loss, no-one is losing a lesbian, a daughter, a sister etc... someone found themselves, which is a net gain in my book.
I once commented under Arielle's video, and the level of immaturity on the replies I got tells all we need to know about her fanbase... and about her mindset, in the end of the day.
Just a tip for anyone wondering: When referring to someone who uses multiple pronouns, unless specified, it's generally best to use them interchangeably at the same time-- for example, "He's my friend, their name is ___"
Thank you so much, I was wondering about that since I do not know anyone personally who is using more than one pronoun yet!
me: *comes out as bi* arielle: WHERE ARE ALL THE STRAIGHT PEOPLE GOING 😩
I find it hilarious how she says right at the beginning annoyed, “we did it guys” like someone’s actions are responsible for Elliot coming out. As a masculine non-binary person myself, it’s so funny to see her act like the LGBTQ+ community has made some mistake for respecting his identity.
I'm so sad that I forgot that Eliot was in X-Men because I genuinely enjoyed those films. But I was trying to remember where I'd seen him
MOE YOU ARE GREAT THANK U FOR THIS VIDEO
❤️❤️
The thing is Elliot was never a lesbian it was a stepping stone to realise his true identity and at the time he might of thought that it was true but it turned out it wasn't.
When I started realizing I liked girls I said I was bi but I'm not bi and I never was Bi I'm actually a lesbian.
Deadnaming in the title of her video says everything...
Hello fellow pissed enby. We must end this transphobia.