For the record, separate distillation with final blending is fairly common in Canada. Daniel has mentioned this several times in past reviews of other Canadian whisk(e)ys. Additionally, the Copper Pot Reserve is a budget offering from Forty Creek. It's their 2nd cheapest product. The Confederation Oak is 3 times the price of the Copper Pot Reserve. I think that context is important. I primarily use it as a solid cocktail base, not as a neat sipper. [For context, Copper Pot Reserve is $26 in BC, Canada. It's the same price as Crown Royal.]
Forty Creek Copper Pot was the first whisky I found that I enjoyed sipping neat. It's not my favourite any more, but it's fun to see it on the channel!
While I get the clarification, it’s much funnier to think of Rex spending and hour or two a day calling random people to give them crap about their business model.
I'm glad you guys tried it on the Rocks because that's absolutely how I enjoy forty Creek Copper Pot. Not great in a neat pour but on a hot summer's day it's an easy drinker 🥃
For sure, I really enjoy a Copper Pot on ice around a bonfire, that's when I typically drink it. It's a good bottle to keep around that you don't feel bad mixing with coke when a buddy is over and wants a whisky and coke, but its' got enough flavour you're happy to sip on it when you're just hanging out with friends, not trying to experience something special.
On the issue of fermenting, distilling and separately and then blending finished whiskies that is how wines are blended such as a Bordeaux which may have Cab Sauv, Merlot, Petite Verdot etc.. They then spend at least 6 months "marrying" together in another cask or in bottle. This is what Aberlour does with their whiskies. Each bottling is just a different blend of varying percentages of bourbon and sherry casks. I think this can work for blending corn whisky (bourbon), rye, wheat etc. as well they just need time together (6 months?) in another barrel (or vat) or perhaps in bottle before release.
I was a big fan of Forty Creek Barrel Select. Better than Crown Royal and a bit cheaper. Then one day suddenly it was thin and insipid and tasted of cheap caramel. Apparently they got bought out by a big market player. It's crap now.
Daniel, you are right about the speyside comparison. You need to spend time with Canadian whisky. Grab some good bottles like Canadian Rockies 21, gibsons 18, or an older pike creek, just to name a few. Sit at home with a glencairn and just spend time relaxing and nosing/sipping them. Eventually you will have that “aha” moment and really appreciate good Canadian whisky.
Glenmorangie released a bottling of malt made with yeast they found near the distillery. I remember watching a review on UA-cam, probably ralfy And Jamaican rum is allegedly produced from dunder pits with local yeast. I love some good Jamaican pot still rum!
Return to Oz is on Disney+, and it is still creepy as all hell in HD. It is still one of my favorite childhood movies. And you were thinking of Tik-Tok.
@@matthewtwright84 I remember watching it a bunch of times when I was little and being freaked out every time. Now as an adult, it is even more disturbing. Great movie though.
How long till you get the results of blending whiskeys together? Could you take the same whiskies and Blended together days weeks or months apart and still end up with the same result?
Hello you MBs. I was just wondering, what if the ideal whiskey (specific or as non-specific as you want) to decant? I know once you said Kirkland 22 year Scotch. What else ya got? Thanks!
Copper pot is $32.50 in Ontario (which is basically what a budget whisky goes for here). Confederation Oak is $70 (and it's still available off the shelf). Oh and you guys forgot about glenmorangie Alta for the wild yeast fermentation.
I do like this one. I've had it for a while. Good when you want something sweeter or simple just to chill. I don't reach for it often. I do want to try a higher level of Forty Creek. I was gonna visit them this year but the border has been closed, they are only an hour from me, I'm in NY though.
Forty Creek has some really good mid-priced whiskies up here in Canada. I always get a buddy of mine a nice bottle of theirs for his birthday. Last year he got their re-release of the Three Grain Reserve whisky, we actually were drinking it this past weekend. It's really tasty and different than what I typically drink. We finished off his Confederation Oak last summer, I think I prefer the Three Grain but both are wonderful. They also do a crème liquor which has completely replaced Bayleys for me when it comes to desert drinks or summer coffee mixers.
@@ThatGenericCanadian i see confederation oak near me in a few stores but haven't pulled the wallet out for it yet. I forget the other one I saw, was maybe $15-20 more than Copper Pot. I'll have to go back and look.
Thanks Daniel for dragging up something from the depths of my forcefully forgotten childhood! That movie scared the shit out of me! The WHEELERS!!!! SHIT!
I actually prefer the Barrel Select to the Copper Pot. The Double Barrel is worth the extra. Still on the budget side of the spectrum, but a good option for a daily sipper.
As a Brewer I twitch every time Daniel says malt when referring to barley. I’m sure corn generally is not, but isn’t all wheat, rye, spelt, oat, millet, sorghum, triticale (call me, I’ll annunciate for you) used in distilling also malted?
Daniel, your memory serves you correctly. Forty Creek was better than it is now, something changed after they sold the brand to a large wine company. Ten years ago this brand was suggested to us by my Chef and it is the reason we love to share Whiskey with gingerale and ice on Fridays together.
@@Crowsfeast Typical cocktail, yes. But the more significant point is how locally made spirits can lead people down a path towards... yes, not everyone will make it to drinking neat, but many do. Not to mention, some cocktails are more respectable than others.
@@Crowsfeast Also, I wonder A LOT about the development of Daniel's and Rex's distillery and how they want to have something for all of their guests. The content recently is foreshadowing how wide of a range of whiskey knowledge there are amongst Magnificent Bastards who will travel to the distillery. Not to mention how many of the friends and family of the Magnificent Bastards are going to be ordering cocktails. This subject is what I was speaking to when I made my comment. I think this discussion, really, is a pertinent one, for the industry as a whole to grow, it is about community not competition.
@@shawnewaltonify I was mostly just being a little shit pointing out something that's always been odd to me. Even non drinker Canadians probably know what a rye and ginger is; yet (it seems) very few Americans have heard of them.
@@Crowsfeast Thanks very much for the reply and your explanation. That makes total sense. I shouldn't cry like that when I am learning to drink with the big boys( and girls).
Flat blend! Yes! I just bought a local bourbon here the other day that’s a 93 Proof, but it had almost no nose and no flavor (similar to Jack Daniels) and I couldn’t for the life of me figure out why. Did some research and it’s a blend of different bourbons. It must’ve been flat just like this one! Thank you, Daniel, for putting words in my mouth for my upcoming review
You guys need to try to make distillate with carbonated water, preferably a high-end one. Always wondered what that would make considering it has a high mineral and carbon content. I do understand it would no longer be carbonated, but might be interesting in terms of taste.
Here I was yelling at the screen near the beginning: 'Try it on the ROOOOCKS!' lol Lo and behold, it worked. As others mentioned, this is a go-to budget whisky. Much better than Forty Creek's entry whisky imo. BUT, this is what GOOD budget Canadian whiskies *can* be like. Forget the Canadian Club or Crown Royal - those are only good for mixing with. Unfortunately, and fair enough, what you get in the States from Canada is the lower end quality whiskies. Hopefully that'll change in the future. BTW: Why not try to revisit some of the whiskies/whiskeys that you didn't like or thought were lack lustre? Let them alone for a bit when the fill level is lower. You will find a change. I realise I'm preaching to the choir but, in might be better practice to review or critique a spirit in time, rather than right after opening a bottle.
Timbercreek out of Florida does a blending kit, that does that. Corn, rye, wheat and barley made separate, and then they let you make your own blend. Now, if only the quality of what they provide was a little better....
im a bartender. and a place i worked at bought this tuff by the case cuz 1 guy. Just 1 retired old guy would come in all day and drink half a bottle over 5 hours 3 times a week
I know there's long wait times on bottles, but how exactly does one ship a bottle of whisky from Canada to Texas? Whenever I look online I see that only companies can ship whisky across the border, but Canadian whiskies keep appearing on this channel.
We Americans send in what we are able to find or bring back with us, or perhaps order online somehow.... just wait until they figure out what to do with all the budget Canadian I sent in... Rex is going to blow his mind.... :) It will be a sight to see!!!
Why do I get the feeling that much of the 10x Titan homage was footage from when Rex was trying to demonstrate what the finalized Titan tribute would be? I guess that Fancy Dan didn't want to reenact the dildo tossing scene. LOL
Canadian whiskey is like if the tree falls in the woods and if no one is around, does it make a sound. Canadiens keep saying they make good whiskey but no one in the world has had it but Canadiens. So does good Canadian whiskey exist?
Being from Canada and not really liking Canadian whisky, at all, I have been through a bottle of this and it isn't bad. It is VERY caramelly but not too sweet. I still wouldn't recommend it. It is one of Forty Creek's cheapest options and it can be sipped but it is simple. Daniel, living with Canadian whisky won't help. It is largely all very simple whisky. There are exceptions but you already know what those are.
I wish Forty Creek kept a large selection of higher proof bottlings. All their 40% bottles are too simple or the complex flavours are extremely faint. Good as slow sippers.
You need to try a belgian whisk(e)y Gouden carolus single malt Gouden carolus sherry oak Gouden carolus blaasveld broek Please try it and make Belgium proud
Yup, you guys nailed it. It’s simple, but sometimes that’s what you want. I love the damned stuff, but that’s just me. I think of a more complex Islay scotch like a stunning woman who hauls off and punches you in the stomach, grabs you by the hair, gives you a long kiss, looks you in the eyes, and says in a loud and rough voice, “I love you!”. Forty Creek Is more like a stunning woman who quietly comes up to you, lays a hand gently on your shoulder, softly pulls you towards her, gives you long kiss, and says in a soft, sexy voice, “I love you.” Depends on what you are in the mood for.
Return to Oz was not a made for TV movie it was a legitimate release, made by Disney. And while it was a mix of 2 of L. Frank Baums Oz books it is far more faithful to the books the the Victor Flemming directed adaptation. For instance Dorothy's slippers were not ruby but silver and Dorothy was was a blonde... also Toto could speak but refused to because Dorothy knew him as he was in Kansas where he couldn't talk and he didn't want to mess with Dorothy's head.
For the record, separate distillation with final blending is fairly common in Canada. Daniel has mentioned this several times in past reviews of other Canadian whisk(e)ys. Additionally, the Copper Pot Reserve is a budget offering from Forty Creek. It's their 2nd cheapest product. The Confederation Oak is 3 times the price of the Copper Pot Reserve. I think that context is important. I primarily use it as a solid cocktail base, not as a neat sipper. [For context, Copper Pot Reserve is $26 in BC, Canada. It's the same price as Crown Royal.]
Agreed. Definitely not your first choice as a neat pour. A solid base as a mixer.
I love their standard barrel select. It always surprises me on how wonderful it is
Thank you for the review Daniel and Rex!!! Now I can open it up and try some after work.
How does copperpot not make you think of the Goonies? Chester Copperpot!
Forty Creek Copper Pot was the first whisky I found that I enjoyed sipping neat. It's not my favourite any more, but it's fun to see it on the channel!
It's a pretty cheap whisky up here, but for it's price it's solid!
While I get the clarification, it’s much funnier to think of Rex spending and hour or two a day calling random people to give them crap about their business model.
Oh my goodness,, the ice machine was actually working!? I need to call my stockbroker. SELLL!!!!
MORNING MB's :)
Titan
Are they still mispronouncing your name?
@@ladylilithparker Nope!
The Schapp giveth, but The Schapp doth not taketh away.
Yes, I looked for a review on this time ago. Greetings from Ontario Canada you MB’s😎
I'm glad you guys tried it on the Rocks because that's absolutely how I enjoy forty Creek Copper Pot. Not great in a neat pour but on a hot summer's day it's an easy drinker 🥃
For sure, I really enjoy a Copper Pot on ice around a bonfire, that's when I typically drink it. It's a good bottle to keep around that you don't feel bad mixing with coke when a buddy is over and wants a whisky and coke, but its' got enough flavour you're happy to sip on it when you're just hanging out with friends, not trying to experience something special.
Is there an American whiskey or bourbon that is finished in Islay barrels? Sweet with a smoky finish. If not, seems like something worth looking into
just 20 miles from me...thanks for the Canadian review....will have to find the other canuck reviews
On the issue of fermenting, distilling and separately and then blending finished whiskies that is how wines are blended such as a Bordeaux which may have Cab Sauv, Merlot, Petite Verdot etc.. They then spend at least 6 months "marrying" together in another cask or in bottle. This is what Aberlour does with their whiskies. Each bottling is just a different blend of varying percentages of bourbon and sherry casks. I think this can work for blending corn whisky (bourbon), rye, wheat etc. as well they just need time together (6 months?) in another barrel (or vat) or perhaps in bottle before release.
You guys need to try the Forty Creek Double Barrel. It doesn't have the ethenol burn on the nose, and it has wonderful toffee flavours on the palate.
I was a big fan of Forty Creek Barrel Select. Better than Crown Royal and a bit cheaper. Then one day suddenly it was thin and insipid and tasted of cheap caramel. Apparently they got bought out by a big market player. It's crap now.
Oh Emma, you Magnificent Creature! lol
Daniel, you are right about the speyside comparison. You need to spend time with Canadian whisky. Grab some good bottles like Canadian Rockies 21, gibsons 18, or an older pike creek, just to name a few. Sit at home with a glencairn and just spend time relaxing and nosing/sipping them. Eventually you will have that “aha” moment and really appreciate good Canadian whisky.
I love Rex and his Sorcerer Supreme gestures lol
12:20 - Glenmorangie Allta in 2019, cultivated the natural wild yeast growing on their barley and created the release using that strain.
Glenmorangie released a bottling of malt made with yeast they found near the distillery. I remember watching a review on UA-cam, probably ralfy
And Jamaican rum is allegedly produced from dunder pits with local yeast. I love some good Jamaican pot still rum!
Video idea. What’s your favourite whiskey form different countries.
Finally! Copper Pot is my go-to low-cost whisky.
One of my favourite whiskys
I giggled watching this. I live in Ottawa, Ontario Canada and I buy this to make my homemade bailey's at Christmas, cuz it's cheap.
Return to Oz is on Disney+, and it is still creepy as all hell in HD. It is still one of my favorite childhood movies. And you were thinking of Tik-Tok.
I've never seen it, but Googled it right after Daniel talked about it and saw it's on Disney+ and damn it now I have to watch it.
@@matthewtwright84 I remember watching it a bunch of times when I was little and being freaked out every time. Now as an adult, it is even more disturbing. Great movie though.
So glad to see the ice machine actually working again. Good day br's
Enjoy these guys...May they be Victorious
Forty Creek Copper Pot is very popular in Canada. I find it tastes like something you'd pour on your pancakes (if you were an alcoholic:).
Hey! Respect some good Canadian Whisky! Little vanilla strong but good stuff.
I've toured 40 creek before. They are nice folks, their my go to low $ whiskey (cause here in canada they are one of the cheaper brands)
I work at Forty Creek, and we ARE nice folks 😁. Thanks for the compliment
How long till you get the results of blending whiskeys together? Could you take the same whiskies and Blended together days weeks or months apart and still end up with the same result?
Good Morning Gentlemen.
Hello you MBs. I was just wondering, what if the ideal whiskey (specific or as non-specific as you want) to decant? I know once you said Kirkland 22 year Scotch. What else ya got? Thanks!
I think of Chester Copperpot .....cmon, I know you know this.
Goonies never say die!!!!
He got caught in the booty trap.😆
Oh shit. That look at 10:46 is amazing!
Laphroaig is back
Good morning MBs
Copper pot is $32.50 in Ontario (which is basically what a budget whisky goes for here). Confederation Oak is $70 (and it's still available off the shelf).
Oh and you guys forgot about glenmorangie Alta for the wild yeast fermentation.
You can still buy a ton of those Confederation Oak bottles at the LCBO in Ontario
I have a bottle of Little Book chapter 1, and if I remember right, that one is a blend of bourbon with corn, rye, and malt whiskeys. It's really good.
GOOD MORNING YOU MB'S... 🥃
I do like this one. I've had it for a while. Good when you want something sweeter or simple just to chill. I don't reach for it often. I do want to try a higher level of Forty Creek. I was gonna visit them this year but the border has been closed, they are only an hour from me, I'm in NY though.
Forty Creek has some really good mid-priced whiskies up here in Canada. I always get a buddy of mine a nice bottle of theirs for his birthday. Last year he got their re-release of the Three Grain Reserve whisky, we actually were drinking it this past weekend. It's really tasty and different than what I typically drink. We finished off his Confederation Oak last summer, I think I prefer the Three Grain but both are wonderful. They also do a crème liquor which has completely replaced Bayleys for me when it comes to desert drinks or summer coffee mixers.
@@ThatGenericCanadian i see confederation oak near me in a few stores but haven't pulled the wallet out for it yet. I forget the other one I saw, was maybe $15-20 more than Copper Pot. I'll have to go back and look.
Daniel, did you finally give up chasing behind Emma?
Have you guys tried the separate distilling process, then blend? You could do it then compare it to a pre-blended mashbill.
Glenmorangie Allta is made with yeast they harvested from the grounds around the distillery.
I agree with Daniel the return to oz was freaky but was good
Thanks Daniel for dragging up something from the depths of my forcefully forgotten childhood! That movie scared the shit out of me! The WHEELERS!!!! SHIT!
Hey y'all MB's!!!
I actually prefer the Barrel Select to the Copper Pot. The Double Barrel is worth the extra. Still on the budget side of the spectrum, but a good option for a daily sipper.
As a Brewer I twitch every time Daniel says malt when referring to barley. I’m sure corn generally is not, but isn’t all wheat, rye, spelt, oat, millet, sorghum, triticale (call me, I’ll annunciate for you) used in distilling also malted?
I've found that if you give this ~5-10mins to breathe it is much better on the nose (and palate) than on the initial pour
Nice show guys
Daniel, your memory serves you correctly. Forty Creek was better than it is now, something changed after they sold the brand to a large wine company. Ten years ago this brand was suggested to us by my Chef and it is the reason we love to share Whiskey with gingerale and ice on Fridays together.
So you mean a typical Canadian cocktail: rye and ginger.
@@Crowsfeast Typical cocktail, yes. But the more significant point is how locally made spirits can lead people down a path towards... yes, not everyone will make it to drinking neat, but many do. Not to mention, some cocktails are more respectable than others.
@@Crowsfeast Also, I wonder A LOT about the development of Daniel's and Rex's distillery and how they want to have something for all of their guests. The content recently is foreshadowing how wide of a range of whiskey knowledge there are amongst Magnificent Bastards who will travel to the distillery. Not to mention how many of the friends and family of the Magnificent Bastards are going to be ordering cocktails. This subject is what I was speaking to when I made my comment. I think this discussion, really, is a pertinent one, for the industry as a whole to grow, it is about community not competition.
@@shawnewaltonify I was mostly just being a little shit pointing out something that's always been odd to me. Even non drinker Canadians probably know what a rye and ginger is; yet (it seems) very few Americans have heard of them.
@@Crowsfeast Thanks very much for the reply and your explanation. That makes total sense. I shouldn't cry like that when I am learning to drink with the big boys( and girls).
Scotch Forest (double malt Scotch):
One finger of Macallan 12 double cask blended with one finger of Ardbeg 10
Made to be on the rocks with some cola or...ginger ale. Backyard BBQ score all day long.
Flat blend! Yes!
I just bought a local bourbon here the other day that’s a 93 Proof, but it had almost no nose and no flavor (similar to Jack Daniels) and I couldn’t for the life of me figure out why. Did some research and it’s a blend of different bourbons. It must’ve been flat just like this one! Thank you, Daniel, for putting words in my mouth for my upcoming review
How do you feel about Molecular Gastronomy
You guys need to try to make distillate with carbonated water, preferably a high-end one. Always wondered what that would make considering it has a high mineral and carbon content. I do understand it would no longer be carbonated, but might be interesting in terms of taste.
Theyve carbonated whiskey on the tribe channel. A good bit of nonsense and a fun watch!
@@hicuprule I saw that! Great video, I just want them to distill some Topo Chico with a whiskey mash bill and see what happens.
Thanks for the vid. I think astringent is the word you were looking for Rex.
Creek Water whiskey review needed boyz
Here I was yelling at the screen near the beginning: 'Try it on the ROOOOCKS!' lol Lo and behold, it worked. As others mentioned, this is a go-to budget whisky. Much better than Forty Creek's entry whisky imo. BUT, this is what GOOD budget Canadian whiskies *can* be like. Forget the Canadian Club or Crown Royal - those are only good for mixing with. Unfortunately, and fair enough, what you get in the States from Canada is the lower end quality whiskies. Hopefully that'll change in the future.
BTW: Why not try to revisit some of the whiskies/whiskeys that you didn't like or thought were lack lustre? Let them alone for a bit when the fill level is lower. You will find a change. I realise I'm preaching to the choir but, in might be better practice to review or critique a spirit in time, rather than right after opening a bottle.
Best video ever
Timbercreek out of Florida does a blending kit, that does that. Corn, rye, wheat and barley made separate, and then they let you make your own blend. Now, if only the quality of what they provide was a little better....
im a bartender. and a place i worked at bought this tuff by the case cuz 1 guy. Just 1 retired old guy would come in all day and drink half a bottle over 5 hours 3 times a week
The price point on those bottles are very different
The Laph 10 has been sitting there for a few episodes now.
LOVE ALL U MB'S!!!
Belgrove Distillery Tasmania has sheep dung smoked spirits. Bloody tasty too
Return to Oz, what a great movie!
I know there's long wait times on bottles, but how exactly does one ship a bottle of whisky from Canada to Texas? Whenever I look online I see that only companies can ship whisky across the border, but Canadian whiskies keep appearing on this channel.
We Americans send in what we are able to find or bring back with us, or perhaps order online somehow.... just wait until they figure out what to do with all the budget Canadian I sent in... Rex is going to blow his mind.... :) It will be a sight to see!!!
@@Wilvekio69 Ah alright that makes sense, skips the shipping issues that way! Sounds like you have them covered pretty well then! Cheers!
Favourite forty creek for me is the spike
Return to Oz was amazing! Scared the shite out of 10 year old me
Okay, so you think of Tik-Tok of Oz when you see a copperpot still, and you have the Redwall themesong for Titans--whisky makes for a wonderful world.
Rex didn't want to mooch sheep dung whiskey? Putz.
I cant believe I enjoy the crappy titans introduction more than the original, also pretty sure they spent a huge amount of time doing it
I want to know who is playing the cazoo
Why do I get the feeling that much of the 10x Titan homage was footage from when Rex was trying to demonstrate what the finalized Titan tribute would be? I guess that Fancy Dan didn't want to reenact the dildo tossing scene. LOL
Canadian whiskey is like if the tree falls in the woods and if no one is around, does it make a sound. Canadiens keep saying they make good whiskey but no one in the world has had it but Canadiens. So does good Canadian whiskey exist?
Being from Canada and not really liking Canadian whisky, at all, I have been through a bottle of this and it isn't bad. It is VERY caramelly but not too sweet. I still wouldn't recommend it. It is one of Forty Creek's cheapest options and it can be sipped but it is simple.
Daniel, living with Canadian whisky won't help. It is largely all very simple whisky. There are exceptions but you already know what those are.
I bought the 40 creek copper pot whiskey along with the Lot 40 copper pot whiskey, and the lot 40 one was noticeably better.
I think it's pretty good
Laphroaig 10 is back 🤫
Rex finally got ice...
Return to Oz is the closest to L. Frank Baum's books... it's not dark.... it's just not watered down...
Wait ... This is the 4th video with a new intro and I just noticed. Damn
I just noticed it too, the barrels in the background totally threw me off
Guys do you think there's ever the slightest possibility that there will be a Canadian whiskey that will be in your personal top 10?
Has Daniel conceded the shelf battles to Emma? Hmmmmm
The hobbit is too short! Ask the ent!
Love this fellow MBS
I wish Forty Creek kept a large selection of higher proof bottlings. All their 40% bottles are too simple or the complex flavours are extremely faint. Good as slow sippers.
The wheelers use to freak me out as a kid. I have nothing to say about this whisk(e)y, just a lot to say about Return to Oz...
Morning MB's!
Nail polish... chaps... do you mean acetone?
Ironically the other Forty Creek bottle was reviewed on the same day as the Floki.
You need to try a belgian whisk(e)y
Gouden carolus single malt
Gouden carolus sherry oak
Gouden carolus blaasveld broek
Please try it and make Belgium proud
They've tried Goldlys 12, Belgian Owl Passion Single Malt and Belgian Owl Intense Single Malt in the past.
But there are morge then one whisky maker in belgium
Love return to oz, But can anyone guess this reference. A powerful man with a powerful set of eyebrows
WE NEED ANOTHER REX MONTH
Yup, you guys nailed it. It’s simple, but sometimes that’s what you want. I love the damned stuff, but that’s just me. I think of a more complex Islay scotch like a stunning woman who hauls off and punches you in the stomach, grabs you by the hair, gives you a long kiss, looks you in the eyes, and says in a loud and rough voice, “I love you!”. Forty Creek Is more like a stunning woman who quietly comes up to you, lays a hand gently on your shoulder, softly pulls you towards her, gives you long kiss, and says in a soft, sexy voice, “I love you.” Depends on what you are in the mood for.
Return to Oz was not a made for TV movie it was a legitimate release, made by Disney. And while it was a mix of 2 of L. Frank Baums Oz books it is far more faithful to the books the the Victor Flemming directed adaptation. For instance Dorothy's slippers were not ruby but silver and Dorothy was was a blonde... also Toto could speak but refused to because Dorothy knew him as he was in Kansas where he couldn't talk and he didn't want to mess with Dorothy's head.
That movie gave me nightmares.