Lucid Air Full In-Depth Driving Review - City, Highway, & Canyon Performance Evaluated
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- Kyle is back with another deep driving analysis with the Lucid Air Grand Touring with 21" wheels. In this video he analyzes how the car drives at low speed, high speed cruising, and canyon carving.
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0:00 - Hello & Welcome
2:40 - Drivetrain, Specs, Suspension
12:23 - City / Low Speed Driving
37:46 - Highway Cruising / NVH / ADAS
54:48 - Performance Driving / Canyons / ESP
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I plan on driving mine like I stole it, so this has been the most anticipated review for me. December cannot come soon enough for my GT!
Congratulations! You'll love it. Mine is a joy to drive. I actually enjoy how it sounds.
@@Miata822 That's the thing. Kyle speaks of the engine noise as a negative, but some people will view it as a positive. It's all based on personal perspective.
@@honestduediligence I'm pretty sure it is coming from the inverter ("Wunderbox") which is mounted on the firewall.
My other post under this video talks about my driving experience this past week which differs from Kyle's.
@@Miata822 I definitely want to read that for a different perspective.
Thank you Kyle for thoroughly enjoyable reviews of this particular Lucid. Unlikely to see this car in any of its iteration in Australia soon, so living vicariously through your experience
Lucid is doing a massive update of its software that will roll out over four OTA downloads. Since it's such a massive project, they are being very conservative by rolling it out first to 100 early buyers who are active on forums so that they can catch bugs and get feedback on new features before they release to a broader audience. Thus far only two of the four releases associated with this rewrite have been issued to the first 100 users. (I am one of them and just got my second download this morning. A few forum administrators have gotten further releases, and some of what Kyle is seeing on Twitter and the forums probably comes from them.) Even with only two of the downloads released, the software features and functioning are much improved . . . but the enhanced ADAS features of DreamDrive Pro will only come with the next two releases.
35:46 I get what Kyle is saying here, but I clocked the 0-60 time in 'Smooth' mode at around 4.5 seconds. That's still very fast.
A big reason I have this on order is because of the rear seats having s class level leg room. It has the exterior dimensions of an E but the interior dimensions of the S and handling close to a taycan but acceleration close to a plaid
I guess if money isn’t a problem, Sapphire should give you all that interior space, better handling than a Taycan and better acceleration than Plaid
Did you know Lucid is half owned by Saudi? That was a deal killer for me
@@zoner__ LOL
I should ban myself from Disney too. Saudi owns Cinderella.
So beautiful. I really love this design.
never seen anyone do better actual driving reviews than kyle. he's a driving savant.
There are others out there that do good reviews, such as Alex on Autos.
Such a beautiful car! So excited to see this content!
Terrific review, nobody has such a wide expanse of subject content. Looking forward to the GT review!
Sprint mode also seems to tighten up the steering wheel's turn radius required for the same amount of road radius (if that makes sense to you).
Awesome video as always Kyle, thank you!
One suggestion if I may. The sound quality can sometimes be lacking with a lot of background noise especially when you’re in the car! There’s a lot of low-end booming going on.
Video quality is fantastic so I like watching on the big tv with home theatre sound system which is how I noticed the booming.
This is how an EV review should be done. Legacy motor journalists have something to learn from this.
Beautiful canyon drive with gorgeous scenery. The Air still needs some fine tuning, but what a gorgeous car. I'll take one in Zenith Red....
I was trying to figure out what road this was in CO. Prob not to far from Ft Collins.
For what it's worth, the Sapphire steering wheel is alcantara wrapped and quite a bit thinner, so they agree with you on the sport trim.
Lots of rambling but he finally got to the point.
Does it have different regen settings for icy roads?
Glad you mentioned the audio system quality. I need pounding bass.
Installing a subwoofer and not pissing off all the computers seems like an interesting challenge...
The new software version improves the tuning on this significantly as well.
When is the charging time test coming?
Which shop would be best placed to develop and built this into the wagon to dominate them all? One example or dozens, either would be satisfactory.
Great vid! Put enough fingerprints on that car in the first few mins? lol I agree w/you on that wheel well gap, such an eye sore.
Who's taking the Saphire to Pikes Peak to race the Plaid?
You should mention about the wireless charging station that need to be redesigned and replaced. It does not charge iPhone Max with Apple leather case. Also, the plastic material around the cup holders need to be replaced with better plastic materials that has better scratch resistant.
Maybe try and set up a wi-fi hotspot for California via a VPN to see if the new update will be available? Maybe they would prefer the car to be close to home for a bigger update, in case something goes wrong. Quite a bit of a long shot, but that´s all I could think of 😅
Thank you for yet another great video!
The Leaf as you have probably noticed has a clunk when going from D to R too
We need a nio et7 or et5 review VERY NEEDED
🚘 I don’t have my 2.0 update either ! 🚘
Same
📌 I agree, my sound system is not what I expected. 📌
One of the early software problems the Lucid had was the bass cutting out. We experienced this numerous times in our Lucid Air Dream Edition, as well as sound stage collapse. However, recent software updates seem to have resolved these problems.
We also have a 2021 Model S Plaid, and we find the sound system in the Air to be much better -- in the right conditions. By this I mean when the software has not glitched, and when using premium source material, such as Tidal HiFi. As with other high-end sound systems, the Lucid's tends to be less forgiving with poor source material and can actually sound worse with such material than a less-sophisticated system. However, with a true high-fidelity source, this is the best sound system I've ever heard in a car.
Thanks much, Kyle, you are the guy I check when I want to know something about motor types or suspension tweaks. At the same time I also love the drives where you push it to find the edges of performance. One day in one or another of these cars, I'm sure I'll need to know how hard I can hit a corner without totally losing the rear end! Cheers.
very nice. have they done that big software patch yet?
It's being done in four separate releases. I'm one of the 100 owners who are receiving the updates first so that Lucid can get feedback and catch bugs before the general release to all owners. The releases started arriving at my car three days ago, and I'm downloading the fourth release right now. These releases bring most of the DreamDrive Pro ADAS features online, and there is an array of other changes/improvements: screen load times much quicker and smoother; some UI controls moved to more convenient positions; headlight auto-dimming, elevation aiming, and corner turn illumination added; seat massage functions enhanced; the Nav system displays expanded and made more flexible. Owners are already reporting considerable improvements in the software.
We also own a 2021 Model S Plaid (replaced our 2015 Model S P90D). I was already liking almost everything about the Air better than the Model S -- especially the interior luxury and room, better build quality, more compliant ride with more precise handling -- and these software updates are finally closing the software gap between Lucid and Tesla.
@@blakespringpasturemortimer9168 that's great. I'm in Tampa, FL, and it's really hard to find a place to get a test drive for a Lucid.
Did you say MANUAL battery preconditioning @46:16?!
Sounds like 20” wheels with good quality tires will be a satisfactory compromise between economy and roadholding
Did you do a video on the fit and finish of the vehicle? I've seen other videos where UA-camrs said the finish and quality are terrible.
We took delivery of a Tesla Model S Plaid in August 2021 (replacing our 2015 Model S P90D) and took delivery of a Lucid Air Dream Edition Performance on December 31, 2021. The build quality of the Lucid is significantly better -- and with both cars now topping 11,000 miles on the odometers, the Plaid has developed squeaks and groans while the Lucid remains quiet and rock solid.
Wrong
I was prompted to download 2.0.5. Too bad you didn't have it for your review.
Question: maybe unrelated to the Lucid you're driving because of missing software but have you seen any phantom braking in this car? I still get PB in my YLR once in awhile and it's seriously dangerous. I tend not to use AP because of that and I have the EAP subscription. It just can really drop from 70 to 50 or lower in a flash. It happened last week on an open road, not a freeway but all lane lines were clear. The guy behind me was following too closely so he had to jump on his brakes and I waved my apology and pulled over to stop in a pullout area. No one seems to be covering this phenomenon under non-FSD driving. Sure I have to stay alert but not for that kind of surprise coming out of nowhere. I regularly tell my friends how great the Tesla driving assist software is but watch out for the PB. Right now I'm not a good salesman for Tesla and they had better fix this problem immediately as it will affect second Tesla buying decisions. Anyway thanks for the great detailed analysis of the Lucid which seems to be not quite ready for prime time in software and in a couple hardware areas; not yet a $135,000 car.
Kyle is the go to for sure! Love the Lucid, but probably won’t buy one due to my current desire for the CyberTruck s my nextEV.
All is good
I've been waiting for this one.
5,000 miles on my Air GT w/ 21s. I just got back from a week on the road, much of that time tearing up Arkansas Ozark twisty roads. I did not experience the TC intrusiveness that you did but my setup and driving differed. Rather than high regen I prefer low regen for spirited driving. (EDIT: also dropped tires to 39PSI cold) This allows me to trail brake into turns, preloading the front. Excessive high regen also adds load to the cooling system. For whatever reason, driving like this did allow the rear to rotate, but I wasn't going for showboat drifting so I don't know if TC would have reined me in.
Love the car. You can really feel that it was built by 'car people'.
Better than a Tesla? Or even a Tesla Sapphire? That's one of their popular models of theirs.
What about any of Lucid Air's autopilot or some other feature of theirs also?
Does it actually have an automatic parallel parking system on board available?
What about its powered optional sun shade on its glass roof area?
I heard its system automatically detects whenever the driver starts to back up.
So it'd be unlikely for the driver to accidentally slam into the car in front of him/her.
What about the EV's battery production system?
Its capability whenever the weather's cold.
Or hot.
Or when it's rainy.
What's the range on those things travelling at long car trips?
Can its system also detect when a driver is getting tired,and already has been on the road?
Or when the power is about is low,and has a warning system in place,that lets the driver know when it's time for a charge.
But there's not one nearby?
@@Randytherumbler This looks like a troll post but I'll replay for anyone who is interested.
The Sapphire is a Lucid, not Tesla.
Lucid offers all the ADAS that you will find on better cars, from smart speed limit aware cruise control to automatic emergency braking, blind spot assist, automatic parking, automatic wipers that actually work, etc.
Yes, the rear window sun shade automatically retracts when in reverse and redeploys afterward.
Lucids have the longest range and some of the largest car batteries in the market. Weather impacts all cars, but I have experienced no issues in my Lucid, going when and where I want. The 900v Lucid battery has the fastest real world charging available today.
Yes, Lucids have driver monitoring. If I get drowsy on a long trip it will tell me that I need to stop for a break.
Lucid's long range means I never get so low on charge that I get worried. I especially like that I have the range to get to remote locations where the fun roads are.
Have you updated software to lucid ux 2?
The motors are exactly the same for the front and rear. Lucid tunes the motor up or down to the power output desired. Can't wait till someone jailbreaks it!
Did you ask Lucid on why this car hasn't received the OTA 2.0 update? Would be great if they are able to either 1. Push the update to that car while you have it or 2. Give some insight into the update timeline (which will help interested buyers with concerns about late OTA updates)
Lucid seems to be the VW of America when it comes to updates. 😂
@@abraxastulammo9940 then who is VW in America 😂
@@chidorirasenganz Volkswagen as opposed to vw of Europe
I see why Lucid didn’t want to get you a press car - the car is really good in some aspects but a total let down in many others.
I think it's because they have limited production. They may not have press cars
A total let down in what areas?
@@CK-1000 Software.
@@brandenflasch That can EASILY be fixed, hardware is the hard part! Anyway, its a great drivers car unlike the Plaid - what a stupid name!
@@vickykennel3022 If software was so easy to do then it wouldn’t be over a year into customer deliveries and still a buggy mess. Software isn’t an easy thing to get right and bug free. It takes significant time and effort to develop and fine tune a good software stack. VW started an $8B software revamp and hired thousands of SWEs back in 2019 and we still saw atrocious software in the ID4/5.
I got my GT on 12/31/23. I have not seen any where close to the range Lucid claims. I have the car with the 21" wheels with a claimed range of 469. I drive 66 or 67 miles, and the range used is 121 miles. At the rate the range is being used the car would die at at 260 miles.
Would you agree the problem with full regenerative braking with Sprint mode is severe jerkiness as pedal is very slowly pressed and released. It throws passengers back and forward in seats. Plaid/model S has same issue.
It’s less jarring than you think. The pedal response is really well tuned, and it’s a lot less jerky in Sprint than the Plaid. It *can* be, but once you get used to it it is extremely smooth. In smooth/swift it’s even easier.
We have a Lucid Air Dream Edition Performance and a Tesla Model S Plaid. Perhaps because we've been driving a Tesla since our 2015 Model S P90D and are used to regenerative braking, the drivers in our house don't have any problem with modulating the accelerator pedal to bring either car to a smooth stop. We do it intuitively without even thinking about it. As does Kyle, we prefer to keep both cars in max regen mode.
In the near future I can see the E-tron getting swapped for the R1S and the R1T/Plaid getting swapped for the Sapphire.
Creep mode.
When I back out of a parking spot. I want my foot covering the brake. Not on the accelerator.
Backing out of my driveway is slightly up hill. Once again. I want my foot covering the brake.
You think you’re pretty up to speed with automotive engineering concepts. You’re watching along and Kyle starts mentioning “Regenerative Torque Vectoring” as if it’s as common as the torque converter and #mindblown
for in car video you reaaly need to cut low freq bump noise
Has this Lucid gotten the Over the air Update for the OS yet? any video on that?
Nope as mentioned in the video this car has not gotten the update yet
Lucid needs to drop their own glitchy softwear andf partner with Android.
Hang on, so it doesn't have yet an autopilot-esque lane centering system? Seriously?
It does in 2.0 which is rolling out as we speak.
"Smooth" Mode is 536hp with reduced torque, lighter steering, softer dampers, and a longer accelerator. "Swift" is also 536hp but has more torque, more precise steering, and stiffer damping. "Sprint" Mode is the full 819hp, maximum torque, and the most precise steering adjustment/firmest dampening setting.
return it with the extra wheels to the person you borrowed the car from ... as a thank you
I wonder if lucid did not want you to test their dream drive
If they wanted me to we know they could have added it since another outlet had lane centering almost a year ago for a range test
@@KyleConner and the owner will get the update just as soon as he gets it back. “Aww. You just missed testing it. If only you could have had it a few extra days”.
@@Jeddin How would they know exactly which car he's driving in order to accomplish that? The privacy implications of the manufacturer knowing who, other than the registered owner, is driving a particular vehicle is chilling...
@@Smidge204 by selecting who they give it to.
@@Smidge204 they know what car I’m driving
Lucid should update the software so you can stay in sprint mode
You don't need that. Really. It is a jerk move to be using launch control from traffic lights. Even smooth mode launched modestly will beat almost any car off the line. Doing 0-60 in 3.0s on city streets should never be "normal".
@@Miata822 That may be one reason they wouldn't give Kyle a car from them to test. Liability.
@@Miata822 is not about being jerk or not, is about giving people more options
The motor sound is annoying after a while just from the video
The interior of the EQS destroyed everything else from my stand point.
Same here, after the hypersceeen everything else seems unfinished and lacking lol.
EQS is like a disco blob and handles like a boat, poor interior space, less range
@@vickykennel3022 I'm getting the EQE. The EQS is pretty long, I haven't drove it.
It’s funny because the hyperscreen is so extremely polarizing. I understand why some people like it, but I absolutely hated it. I’m extremely glad it hasn’t “spread” to other cars haha
@@michaelborohovski4015 I, on the other hand hate the minimum screen Tesla 3 type dashboard. It's very uninspiring not to mention unattractive. I want to feel an im a sophisticated machine, not a Go-kart.
It really better looking than tesla. Looks very nice
I have no idea why anyone would overpay to have a car that's underdeveloped and inferior in everyway to a Plaid.
I guess if you wanna waste your 155k on a car that thermal throttles, has a subpar UI, Can't even have full control of the car, and overall no support once you have a problem.
Yawn. Not everyone *likes* Teslas, and there are plenty of complaints about Tesla service too.
I prefer a car that has a finished and luxurious interior, which excludes the Plaid instantly. Sorry.
We have a Lucid Air Dream Edition and a Tesla Model S Plaid (replaced our 2015 Model S P90D). The Air is a much more roomy and pleasant car to drive, is considerably better built and free of the creaks and groans that have developed in the Plaid, and the new round of four software updates the Air has received in the past three days has almost completely closed the gap between the software performance of the Plaid and the Air. Our Dream Performance is not quite as quick off the line as the Plaid, but its front end stays much better planted than the Plaid, making its prodigious power more usable on the public roads where we do all our driving.
We are planning to replace our Honda Odyssey minivan with the Lucid Gravity SUV when it comes out. We do not plan to get another Tesla, although I have bought three of them over the past few years.
@@blakespringpasturemortimer9168 Enjoy it while it last the company should be around a couple more years. My Model X Plaid has plenty of room and overall a lot more roomy and comfortable than the lucid I drove.
The trunk on the lucid is so tiny and awkward looking could barely get my luggage in there. The plaid is so much punchier also and does not thermal throttle like the lucid.
@@Json918 You apparently forgot to remove the cover in the trunk and look at the lower compartment of the :Lucid. Between the trunk and the frunk, our Lucid has significantly more cargo space than our Model S Plaid. (The Lucid is a sedan, you know . . . not an SUV like the Model X.)
And apparently you never use the second row seat of your Model X -- you know, that passenger space with no center armrest and no storage pockets anywhere.
Our Air Dream Edition with its 1,111 hp and ferocious torque is plenty "punchy" -- and its suspension is much more planted under hard acceleration than our Model S Plaid. As Conner said in this review, the Lucid chassis is "miles ahead" of the Tesla in sophistication -- and he wasn't even driving a performance version of the Lucid.. (As with our household, he also owns a Model S Plaid and knows whereof he speaks in making such a comparison.)
Not very premium interior, doors inside !
Great review! However you might want to blur your dash mph footage on this video. 33 minutes in and you're going 17 mph over the speed limit. Don't give UA-cam a reason to take this down.
They just got the update you wanted Kyle.
Nope it’s still not available on this car
@@KyleConner Since you are already in talks with Lucid, have you asked to get it pushed early?
@@perditus273 of course! It’s in the hands of Lucid’s biggest fans all over social media. We should have the same opportunity to have the software if it’s on customer vehicles.
@@KyleConner my GT delivery is projected for December. You guys are more than welcome to use it for tests of the new software and a cannonball run. I'll have 19” and 21" wheels on hand.
@@perditus273 great! Thank you. Appreciate the support of the channels ⚡️
The reason you can’t get a car from Lucid is because they haven’t made many. The ownership structure of this company, the price of the vehicles and the fact there is zero track history of actually building a mass quantity of vehicles will leave this a boutique money burner.
They’re on track to meet their 7k numbers this year, so this is inaccurate.
A car for the rich and every time you plug it in think about all the coal being burned
Sure, I’ll think all about all the coal I’m not burning when I’m charging from solar at my house. :)
Perhaps you should take a skiing trip to Aspen this winter. Lots of trees there need hugging.
Hey, I’m not the one flaming here. I have no problem with gas cars; my favorite non-EV to drive is a twin turbo R8. My point was that the argument of “oh EVs aren’t better for the environment because power plants burn coal” is dumb and lacks nuance. Have a nice day.