I enjoy your reviews...and you have the coolest nerd talk on the planet. Your very informative in explaining the driving dynamics of every vehicle you review. Like Dad's channel also. 👍🏽
Totally agree. And it’s a safety hazard too. I constantly find myself forgetting that I-pedal disengages after shifting out of drive (eg 3 point turn) and I would expect the car to stop via regen only to realize it’s not stopping and needing to step on the brakes last minute. Someday someone is going to get into a accident bc of this.
Excellent Nerd video Kyle and Alyssa. I took delivery of a GV60 "Performance" a couple of weeks ago. I am very happy with it. Learned a lot more about the specs through this. It is a soft ride, but very smooth and love the tech too.
I appreciate the fact you know the car and markets so well to explain what is truly there. Very specific. And even beyond what is there. True to your name.
The Ioniq 5 doesn't do brake regen when in regen mode 0 until you brake 10 times. The counter resets when you turn the car off. I think it's for letting you exercise the friction brakes.
Thank you for pointing out coasting is the most efficient form because you don’t have to put electricity in and then back out of the battery with the slight losses in each direction
Love hearing the nerdy stuff, watching from central Europe (so not only people from the 4 states that have the car available are interested), have seen some of your other videos, you’ve earned a subscriber my guy! You’re doing a great job
Good review I have the Ioniq5 Ultimate on order but with all the delays I called my local Genesis dealership and was told 1 to 2 yrs wait time , 2 days later they called me with the choice of 2 care the Advance and a Performance I test drove both and to be quite honest I could not tell the difference between them in Eco or Comfort mode , yes in sport and of course the boost , but really that too me is a wait of time as is the drift mode. I thought the interior was beautiful on these cars ( in Canada both cars have the same quilted leather seats ) the only complaint for me would be the center console it would be better if deeper and if it slides back and forth like the Ioniq5. I liked the thick steering wheel I would of preferred maybe a different feel to the leather on the wheel it was a little too smooth . All in all this car is amazing as you said great highway drive it maybe a little over priced but end of the day I am very happy with the car I went with the Advance its about $10K cheaper and the only visible difference are the wheels and to be honest I like the look of the advance wheels better to me they are much more sporty looking and for sure easier to clean :) thanks again both of you for the video.
Ioniq 5 AWD owner here. My buddy has an Ioniq 5 RWD and we've compared notes about range so I think I may have an answer for you about the AWD having a lower official EPA range. From my experience driving the AWD E-GMP car I noticed that in "Normal" mode the front motor usually stays connected for much of the driving whereas in "Eco" mode the front motor seems to be disconnected around 40 km/hr (sorry, I live in a country with proper units of measure so you'll have to convert to your peasant units yourself 😜). The screen on the dash shows no power to the front motor above 40km/hr in "Eco" mode and I occasionally feel a slight shudder and hesitation if I floor it as the front motor re-engages. I suspect that the EPA test cycle is done in "Normal" mode thus the AWD version doesn't get to fully benefit from that front motor disconnect feature. The official range of my Ioniq 5 is 410 km whereas the RWD version is 488 km. Spending most of my time in "Eco" mode though I can easily achieve the 488km figure and even can see 500km if I'm really careful which tracks with my friend's RWD stats. It would be interesting to see a test but Eco mode seems to level the playing field quite a bit in my experience.
Great video. Allyssa is very brave. Is it possible the drift mode shut off because the sensors recognized you were on a winding cliff? I’ve seen drift used in wide open spaces, not twisty canyon roads. I was actually afraid for you and kinda glad you couldn’t go slipping around those curves.
Great video for the “performance” car nerds. Your passenger was very patient with all your explanations. At $70K one might expect a little more advanced tech for cornering.
27:51 From a cross section I found for the front drive unit, these cars appear to have a radial spline style clutch. No different than the Center Axle Disconnect systems that RAM and Jeep products have been using for decades. This is pretty proven technology and should have minimal wear, especially because with an electric motor you can target a specific rpm delta relative to output (wheel) speed. You would never want to match motor speed to the output speed, because there is then a possibility the teeth aren't aligned and won't be any time soon. Because of this, some engagement harshness is to be expected with this style clutch.
Downside of the 21's is that they are very expensive to replace compared to the 19's on the Ioniq 5. I was thinking of ordering a GV60 but early distribution is in the northeast and west, and I'm in Florida. Don't know when they plan to bring them down here. In the meantime, I really like my Ioniq 5 SEL in Lucid Blue RWD. I also dislike having to pull the paddle every time I get in the car to get to Ipedal. Really annoying they make you do that, and the other gripe is no wireless Android and Apple car play. You must reach really far beneath the dash to plug in the phone cable. Another informative video Kyle.
I drive in IPedal mode with city driving. I don’t mind that it goes back to level 3 after turning the car off. It makes backing out of the garage or parking spot smoother than starting at IPedal mode. I have a Performance model and absolutely love it! I don’t really need all that power but I really didn’t want to wait for an Advance model. Yes, it’s not as luxurious as a Mercedes but the price tag isn’t as high as one😉 Kudos to your wife (I’m assuming) for listening to all your stats and details about the car👍🏽
It's not just the NY metro area. It's all of NY. I have an Advanced AWD coming in the first week of September in the Buffalo area. Replacing my recently totaled EV6 GT line with it. Same color combo as the test car actually.
drift mode disables all esp and not for normal roads its actually illigal in us to turn full off esp. so when it detects you are in public roads it engages esp and not true drift mode.
Those wheels are awesome. I agree with i-Pedal needing to stay ON between power cycles. But it seems to be generalized. My previous Bolt require4d to shift in L to enable one-pedal driving.
33:55 i-pedal deceleration tuning in general " is not as great" as a Rivian R1S/R1T but in this Genesis, it seems to be coming to a full stop like a limousine-stop. Very nice! ❤️
as for tire, MAYBE the less sticky tire helps with range? Can't wait to see what the ioniq 5 N is like... This car seems to be a road trip cruiser! Is the per-conditioning as complicated as the Ioniq 5 update?
Performance model arriving in 2 weeks. I don't need or even want the extra power however batteries do drop off in efficiency over time so I figure that the extra capacity has a built in fall back to around what the mid range model has. For me this car is an ideal around town vehicle for sub 50 klm trips, which is what over 90% of my trips are. Drive it in effortless quiet and comfort, return home, top it back up to 80%, repeat. Here in Queensland the sun charges it for free.
a few things I don’t like about the GV60 is how small it looks and how busy the wheel design is. I would argue that with keyless cars, start/stop buttons are totally redundant. So are “power boost” buttons, the bottom of the accelerator pedal should be input enough to tell the car you want full power
Kyle, with the dampers being “electronically controlled”, do you think there is a chance that Genesis could do an OTA update that adds a third setting with added stiffness?
I don't quite understand. Are you saying that is it more efficient (i.e.: more range) when NOT in iPedal? If I wan to maximize mileage how best to drive 1 highway and 2 city? Regarding wear and tear, your comments on the clutch are also very interesting. So to maximize efficiency (mileage) and minimize wear and tear on the 'clutch' what is your recommendation for highway and city? I'm very interested to hear
Hey Kyle - I know these videos are for the super geeks, but.... could you perhaps create another video (or series of videos) to educate people like me that are not familiar with the jargon associated with suspensions, differentials, etc...
If you don’t use leather in cars, clothing, shoes or sofas, are you going to landfill or destroy the hides? Steers for leather (no stretch marks) apparently live in barbed wire free conditions to stop hide blemishes (a Top Gear reference) so might possibly have a better life than just food chain ones?
Funny. Our ev6 awd 2021 never saw 230kw at any condition at a HPC. It lacks preconditioning. Will it ever get one? What is the downside of loosing heat in the battery just to earn time while charging. Last winter at around 1‘C it was more like 50 min for 10-80% and the heatpump was useless. Fog inside and outside. Long trip through the eifel. I was freezing the whole trip. The heating seats saved my butt. @Kyle i know you like the citroen Ami, but the gearbox seams not bulletproof. On this weekend it made a harsch sound than klack klack at each rotation. The worst part is the „non existing“ support by stellantis. 1400 km half year old. Love it till now…more than the Kia with endless Power.
Looks are subjective....but that back and side profile....not my thing. I'd rather have the Ioniq 5 or EV6. Perhaps the other amenities make up the difference.
Thanks for a great and detailed review Kyle. I think both the HDA2 availability and the five states limit is because the Hyundai Motor Group can’t build enough of these things and other high demand cars like the GV70. The GV70 Sport Prestige for example, stopped shopping with HDA2 middle of last year due to the chip shortage. So it seems they assigned the HDA2s to the Hyundai’s and Kia’s. Odd decision for sure. But it speaks to their inability to manufacture enough vehicles vs. demand, plus the chip shortage.
We have both the Ioniq 5 and gv60 and the lack of HDA2 is disappointing. We do a lot of hwy driving the HDA2 is smoother and more confident inspiring. As a result we drive the ioniq much more, among other reasons. We much prefer the Ioniq over the Gv60 as a family vehicle.
@@Wasabi9111 thanks for your comment. It has helped me a lot in terms of getting me to stop even thinking of “upgrading” from the Ioniq 5 Limited to the GV60. I rely on HDA2 a lot, and find my wife’s Kia Sorento PHEV has the equivalent of HDA1, and also prefer HDA2 a lot on longer trips. But it’s sometimes difficult to compare the implementations. Kia does things very similarly, but not identically, and the Sorento is not an EGMP product.
@@Wasabi9111 Counter point to this, I have a GV70 that has HDA2 and honestly if you don't hold the wheel at highway speeds (70mph or more) it can actually be jerky like it's constantly trying to center in the lane. I took video on my phone of the wheel constantly moving back and forth trying to force the car in the center of the lane. So the hands free part of HDA2 can be useless sometimes, I think they need to back it off to not be so aggressive at lane centering and allow it a tiny bit of drift cushion. Otherwise I like it and I do use it on long trips, it's just not as smooth as I'd like it to be at the same time especially if you're on a highway lane that has a lot of camber to it.
@@Hardcaslte I heard of all the twitchiness before we got the Ioniq but was surprisingly surprised how good it is in the Ioniq 5. Both Kyle and his dad have also raved about hda2 in the Ioniq. The worst system has to be my husbands polestar 2. It’s gotten better w updates, but it’s so twitchy that I have no confidence in it and I get car sick w it on.
@@t1328 the gv60 does have better minor UI, so you can tell it’s a more recent product. But to me these are minor upgrades. We much prefer the overall design of the Ioniq. We use it as a family car. The kids much prefer the much roomier 2nd row. Everyone prefers the open Ioniq cabin and storage. The gv60 is quieter and louder at the same time. I think the cabin feels more muffled and quiet, but the wind noise is definitely more noticable in the gv60, which I find more annoying. The gv60 is much more powerful, and it actually overwhelming since the wheels easily spin out of control. For casual driving the Ioniq is more manageable. I think I might have preferred the cheaper preferred over the performance model we have. I don’t know how the adaptive damper is calibrated, so sometimes it rides nice and sometimes it’s harsher than I would like. Overall, I love my Ioniq and I was hoping the gv60 to be even better. But we find ourselves constantly driving the Ioniq over the gv60. There’s something simple and easy about the Ioniq.
FYI, if you add a rear LSD to a car, it will cause less oversteer and more understeer. Similarly if you have a RWD car with a stock rear LSD and the LSD fails, it will typically now experience severe oversteer. The reason for this is the more the rear axle tries to lock to the same speed side to side, the more difficult it is to turn (the car wants to go straight). I had a 1982 Camaro years ago that came with a 305 V8, a 4-speed manual and an LSD in the rear. At first it was a frustratingly understeering car, but once the LSD burned out the car became almost dangerous to drive at speed due to the extreme oversteer. Edit: the situation where an LSD oversteers is when you give it enough throttle/power to spin the rear tires, the back end then loses lateral grip and can severely oversteer. I still prefer cars with rear LSDs, but the suspension needs to be tuned (with a stiffer rear sway bar) to compensate.
Well, he's not asking for a basic mechanical LSD, but an active diff, which can redistribute torque more flexibly. More torque to the outside wheels means faster turning, like oversteer.
@@concinnus he talks about having the active LSD couple the left and right sides to make them spin the same speed so that is an LSD that couples left and right sides and does induce understeer. He is a bit confused about how coupling left to right impacts driving dynamics. For example he stated he wished the LSD would couple the left and right axles on corner entry, claiming that would generate oversteer. In reality that would generate understeer on corner entry. A brake based stability control system with a virtual locker (braking any spinning wheel) can generate oversteer but not an LSD that couples the wheels side to side in a relatively low center of gravity car or SUV (with low mounted batterys). The best solution for an EV is where there is an electric motor at each wheel (or at least each rear wheel). These can apply a higher forward torque to the outside wheel(s) and induce the car to oversteer in a controlled way.
@@Slider68 The dual-motor behavior you ask for can also be accomplished with a single motor and an active diff. That's how Porsche added torque vectoring to the 918 with only 1 motor on each axle. This is exactly what OoS and I are talking about. But dual motor may actually be cheaper and/or lighter by now, though.
@@concinnus Yes but those advanced torque vectoring differentials are expensive and inefficient as far as fuel economy is concerned. Honda even has one the they use in the Acura MDX and other vehicles that use wet clutches on each half shaft and an overdriven rear gear ratio.
It's too bad the Genesis GV60, Ioniq 5 & Kia EV6 don't have a custom drive mode. It's in the newer model Hyundai Sonatas. It allows you to change the steering resistance (Normal & Sport) independently from the Powertrain options (Eco & Sport).
I drove a 2018 Kia Stinter GT2 and a 2022 Genesis GV70 Sports Prestige, and both had the custom mode. I used it almost exclusively because I love sports/heavier steering; but didn’t want to always be in sports mode. I really miss this in my Ioniq 5 AWD Limited. I end up driving in Sports mode with iPedal mode to achieve something similar. But to your point, I really shouldn’t have to, nor should I have to upgrade to an Ioniq 5N/EV6 GT to get that custom mode. It would take them a few weeks to add this at most.
@@t1328 EV6 GT has it as well, yea normal EV6 doesn't have it. I guess only performance trims has it. Hopefully they'll add those in refresh models. But yea for 50k car, AWD EV6 that is sporty enough should have it.
The orange LED is a smart thing. If the car is in an accident the crews can tell if the HV is engaged. At $70K this is priced too high for what it is. It would be better at $60k.
I have test driven V60 Long Range and I think it is really nice and practical car. Also bigger battery + more e-power is great improvement over older ones. We just do not get Polestar Engineered version here in Finland.
Good to see a review of the Hyundai/Genesis GV60. How has the car held up over the past few weeks? Any fit/finish issues? I honestly like the Ionic5 more than the id.4 and this is even nicer. But I worry about Kia/Hyundai/Genesis build quality. (I have a 1999 Lexus that has held up quite well, while my 2002 Kia was dumped by 2006.)
The two deal breakers for this car for me were 1) lack of wireless Carplay and Android auto (huge miss for this price point), and 2) ipedal not sticking and having to engage it every time. Instead we bought a Mach-E which has wireless CarPlay and Android Auto, and not only has profiles for each user but ties your 1 pedal driving preference to the profile, so every time I get in the car and my profile loads up, the 1 pedal driving is engaged automatically and all the time. And when my spouse, who does not like one pedal driving, loads their profile, 1 pedal is off by default. It's perfect every time. The way it should be. If I had to tap that steering wheel paddle multiple times every time I drove the car just to engage 1 pedal driving it would drive me crazy. If they fixed those 2 things I'd consider buying one.
I have the Ioniq5 Ultimate on order but it kept being delayed , I did try the Mach E nice to drive I really did not like the big screen stuck up in the front like the Tesla, the car drove well but I found the rear end a little bounces. I have since bought the GV 60 I lucked out here in Canada got it within 2 days I test drove both Performance and Advance really hard to tell any difference only in the sport mode , the interior on these cars is amazing in Canada they are both the same trim inside, as for the lack of the car play I just bought the little box $100 works great and you don't see it. Enjoy your Mach E good choice there are a lot here on the road as there does not seem to be any delay getting them.:)
To avoid the bodyroll on GV 60, the seat has to be adjusted. Honestly speaking I find my model Y is little better in handling but so much worst in the body-roll and comfort
Ioniq 5 has HDA II so Genesis GV60 is inferior. Limited trim even has a HUD. They really screwed up their high-end brand with low-end garbage. But golly gee whiz, it has a spinning crystal ball.. what a cheap gimmick.
I completely disagree rear wheel drive ev in snow is dangerous, the extra torque and hp can override safety systems and when in situations bwhere esp has to be off it’s harder to judge the power/toque , it’s far more important to get winter tires fitted than all season compared to sub 2.5b litre combustion
Any modern ESP has a snow mode, and is disabled by command only, not overridden by power, lol. It's a non issue. Agreed that tires are critical, though. Any area with more than a couple snowfalls a year should require snow tires imo, as Canada does.
@@concinnus no they don’t Id doesn’t only the all wheel drive does have a snow mode most just have eco/Normal/sports, I found out the hard way with a friend I. An Id4 launch where a burst pipe turned the road in to ice rink, thr only car that got up it was a Tesla duel motor 85 that over took us
@@ram64man So you're saying AWD is better than RWD on ice? Obviously. But Out of Spec's point was that RWD>FWD, not RWD>AWD. It also sounds like VW is artificially crippling the RWD's ESP, probably because they want or expect you to buy the AWD for snowy climates. Either that ice event was a one-off you shouldn't worry about, or you're in a snowy climate and should have an AWD ID.4 or a RWD with proper ESP.
Their isn't really a better material than leather right now. Tesla uses "VEGAN" leather and it falls apart right away. (Relative to the alternative KING, leather)
I like the finger print reader as added insurance against theft if it is needed in addition to the fob/phone. Tesla has an issue where thieves can capture your phone rfid signal and use it to steal the car. They issued the pin to drive to add security. This seems like the same thing but even more secure
The performance looks fine...but not all that impressed with the rest. It would be one thing if it was 20 thousand. But at 70 thousand I expect better looks inside and out. The steering wheel is also far too "Video Gamey" for me.
So, Question: a Jag I-Pace is also about $70K (as this top spec car, and Jag is fairly top spec). Despite the fact Jaguar charges at only 100KW, and this at 240KW... Just on driving dynamics, I may pick Jaguar over this car because I think that's how good the Jaguar drives. BUt thsi would be a true luxury $70K car that is MUCH better for llong road trips? (I mean, if you trip theJag, very possible, but you're doing a more "relaxed" trip with 30 min average stops versus 15 minut stops on this car? :) (Same as model Y Performance, but I wouldn't call Model Y Luxury, though its nearly $70K ifyou fully spec it) Would like to see this channel re-test an I-PACE (I think the Jag is a sleeper that looks really, really Good!)
Nominal, or more precisely “continuous” power is typically significantly less than peak, especially if the peak duration defined is short. Peak power is simply related to current density in the motor windings and the amount of copper, continuous is limited by the thermal design of the motors to lower thermal resistances to the coolant, the vehicle then manages the coolant temperatures.
Really enjoy Alyssa’s reactions to Kyle’s comments. I’d be right there with her. 😆
Kyle, when you said "it will be the most indepth review ever" you weren't lying. Your presentation skill is top tier.
this is the content I love, the super deep drives
I enjoy your reviews...and you have the coolest nerd talk on the planet. Your very informative in explaining the driving dynamics of every vehicle you review. Like Dad's channel also. 👍🏽
I wish every EV would just retain regen settings. Drives me nuts and I’m so glad my Polestar retains one pedal.
@Bowie because you shouldn’t need to. It’s unnecessary.
Totally agree. And it’s a safety hazard too. I constantly find myself forgetting that I-pedal disengages after shifting out of drive (eg 3 point turn) and I would expect the car to stop via regen only to realize it’s not stopping and needing to step on the brakes last minute. Someday someone is going to get into a accident bc of this.
Hmm! this writers 2019 Niro BEV does retain regen settings
Excellent Nerd video Kyle and Alyssa. I took delivery of a GV60 "Performance" a couple of weeks ago. I am very happy with it. Learned a lot more about the specs through this. It is a soft ride, but very smooth and love the tech too.
Any issues phantom breaking?
Excellent review I have the car and learned so much about it through this video. All owners need to watch
Thanks !!!
I appreciate the fact you know the car and markets so well to explain what is truly there. Very specific. And even beyond what is there. True to your name.
The Ioniq 5 doesn't do brake regen when in regen mode 0 until you brake 10 times. The counter resets when you turn the car off. I think it's for letting you exercise the friction brakes.
its for coasting in highways not for normal driving. regen1 is more efficient on any other conditions.
Thank you for pointing out coasting is the most efficient form because you don’t have to put electricity in and then back out of the battery with the slight losses in each direction
total guru ! love the reviews - ordered my GV60 (Sport) yesterday. I was going to go with Sport Plus (UK) but don't need the power as family car :-)
Love hearing the nerdy stuff, watching from central Europe (so not only people from the 4 states that have the car available are interested), have seen some of your other videos, you’ve earned a subscriber my guy!
You’re doing a great job
I'm here counting the times Kyle wears a sweatshirt during the summer .
Tim Pool is offended. 👲🏻
Alyssa, Think you are wonderful partner to but up the Kyle nerdy stats and information. Like the longer tests and road trips.
Good review I have the Ioniq5 Ultimate on order but with all the delays I called my local Genesis dealership and was told 1 to 2 yrs wait time , 2 days later they called me with the choice of 2 care the Advance and a Performance I test drove both and to be quite honest I could not tell the difference between them in Eco or Comfort mode , yes in sport and of course the boost , but really that too me is a wait of time as is the drift mode. I thought the interior was beautiful on these cars ( in Canada both cars have the same quilted leather seats ) the only complaint for me would be the center console it would be better if deeper and if it slides back and forth like the Ioniq5. I liked the thick steering wheel I would of preferred maybe a different feel to the leather on the wheel it was a little too smooth . All in all this car is amazing as you said great highway drive it maybe a little over priced but end of the day I am very happy with the car I went with the Advance its about $10K cheaper and the only visible difference are the wheels and to be honest I like the look of the advance wheels better to me they are much more sporty looking and for sure easier to clean :) thanks again both of you for the video.
Ioniq 5 AWD owner here. My buddy has an Ioniq 5 RWD and we've compared notes about range so I think I may have an answer for you about the AWD having a lower official EPA range. From my experience driving the AWD E-GMP car I noticed that in "Normal" mode the front motor usually stays connected for much of the driving whereas in "Eco" mode the front motor seems to be disconnected around 40 km/hr (sorry, I live in a country with proper units of measure so you'll have to convert to your peasant units yourself 😜). The screen on the dash shows no power to the front motor above 40km/hr in "Eco" mode and I occasionally feel a slight shudder and hesitation if I floor it as the front motor re-engages. I suspect that the EPA test cycle is done in "Normal" mode thus the AWD version doesn't get to fully benefit from that front motor disconnect feature. The official range of my Ioniq 5 is 410 km whereas the RWD version is 488 km. Spending most of my time in "Eco" mode though I can easily achieve the 488km figure and even can see 500km if I'm really careful which tracks with my friend's RWD stats. It would be interesting to see a test but Eco mode seems to level the playing field quite a bit in my experience.
yeah epa rating is “driving as is” not touching settings.
The review is so enjoyable really i cant believe i watched a video this long 🎉 every min had insights in detail’s i was never aware of
Wow Kyle this is very in-depth 🤓 boy uv got a great understanding of these things 👍
Anxious to see a similar review on the Advanced trim level . . .
Great video. Allyssa is very brave. Is it possible the drift mode shut off because the sensors recognized you were on a winding cliff? I’ve seen drift used in wide open spaces, not twisty canyon roads. I was actually afraid for you and kinda glad you couldn’t go slipping around those curves.
RWD model isn't available in the USA.
Yet.
Nice review! Amazing vehicle...incredibly desirable from a styling and performance aspect...keep 'em coming!
Great video for the “performance” car nerds. Your passenger was very patient with all your explanations. At $70K one might expect a little more advanced tech for cornering.
27:51 From a cross section I found for the front drive unit, these cars appear to have a radial spline style clutch. No different than the Center Axle Disconnect systems that RAM and Jeep products have been using for decades. This is pretty proven technology and should have minimal wear, especially because with an electric motor you can target a specific rpm delta relative to output (wheel) speed. You would never want to match motor speed to the output speed, because there is then a possibility the teeth aren't aligned and won't be any time soon. Because of this, some engagement harshness is to be expected with this style clutch.
Amazing analysis.
Downside of the 21's is that they are very expensive to replace compared to the 19's on the Ioniq 5. I was thinking of ordering a GV60 but early distribution is in the northeast and west, and I'm in Florida. Don't know when they plan to bring them down here. In the meantime, I really like my Ioniq 5 SEL in Lucid Blue RWD. I also dislike having to pull the paddle every time I get in the car to get to Ipedal. Really annoying they make you do that, and the other gripe is no wireless Android and Apple car play. You must reach really far beneath the dash to plug in the phone cable. Another informative video Kyle.
I love the looks!!!
Your wife is incredibly patient.
Brilliant analysis. Brilliant car 🚘
I drive in IPedal mode with city driving. I don’t mind that it goes back to level 3 after turning the car off. It makes backing out of the garage or parking spot smoother than starting at IPedal mode. I have a Performance model and absolutely love it! I don’t really need all that power but I really didn’t want to wait for an Advance model. Yes, it’s not as luxurious as a Mercedes but the price tag isn’t as high as one😉
Kudos to your wife (I’m assuming) for listening to all your stats and details about the car👍🏽
Any issues phantom breaking?
@@TimSmith-db1iu Nope. I guess because it uses radar instead of camera.
During heavy rain, it can see way better than me
Have to watch this again when I take delivery
It's not just the NY metro area. It's all of NY.
I have an Advanced AWD coming in the first week of September in the Buffalo area. Replacing my recently totaled EV6 GT line with it.
Same color combo as the test car actually.
Out of Spec NERD for life!
drift mode disables all esp and not for normal roads its actually illigal in us to turn full off esp. so when it detects you are in public roads it engages esp and not true drift mode.
Those wheels are awesome.
I agree with i-Pedal needing to stay ON between power cycles. But it seems to be generalized. My previous Bolt require4d to shift in L to enable one-pedal driving.
Great video. With that said it looked like Alyssa was about to vomit the whole ride 😂
33:55 i-pedal deceleration tuning in general " is not as great" as a Rivian R1S/R1T but in this Genesis, it seems to be coming to a full stop like a limousine-stop. Very nice! ❤️
There are some people watching from outside the US.
as for tire, MAYBE the less sticky tire helps with range?
Can't wait to see what the ioniq 5 N is like... This car seems to be a road trip cruiser! Is the per-conditioning as complicated as the Ioniq 5 update?
I am watching from Los Angeles!
Thanks
Performance model arriving in 2 weeks. I don't need or even want the extra power however batteries do drop off in efficiency over time so I figure that the extra capacity has a built in fall back to around what the mid range model has. For me this car is an ideal around town vehicle for sub 50 klm trips, which is what over 90% of my trips are. Drive it in effortless quiet and comfort, return home, top it back up to 80%, repeat. Here in Queensland the sun charges it for free.
Same here! I believe there's only about 7 GV60s being delivered in Australia next month.
is the Boost only available on the AWD?
Great review! Why in the world is Hyundai only selling this vehicle in 4 states!
I considered trading my Ioniq 5 AWD Limited for this, but I can’t get one because I live in Maryland.
I considered trading my Ioniq 5 AWD Limited for this, but I can’t get one because I live in Maryland.
a few things I don’t like about the GV60 is how small it looks and how busy the wheel design is. I would argue that with keyless cars, start/stop buttons are totally redundant. So are “power boost” buttons, the bottom of the accelerator pedal should be input enough to tell the car you want full power
I disagree with the start/stop button. It turns on the electronics and climate control. I don't always want to turn that off when leaving the car.
Power boost is necessary to limit the duration of max power. The Mach-E does the same thing, just without a button.
its probably for preventing overheating
The (Latin) plural of genesis is geneses, though the word is originally Greek. Think axis/axes, etc.
Thanks for video. The GV60 is obviously not a canyon carver. Have you driven the gen 2 NSX? you would like it on your canyon test loop!
Kyle, with the dampers being “electronically controlled”, do you think there is a chance that Genesis could do an OTA update that adds a third setting with added stiffness?
I don't quite understand. Are you saying that is it more efficient (i.e.: more range) when NOT in iPedal? If I wan to maximize mileage how best to drive 1 highway and 2 city?
Regarding wear and tear, your comments on the clutch are also very interesting.
So to maximize efficiency (mileage) and minimize wear and tear on the 'clutch' what is your recommendation for highway and city? I'm very interested to hear
Hey Kyle - I know these videos are for the super geeks, but.... could you perhaps create another video (or series of videos) to educate people like me that are not familiar with the jargon associated with suspensions, differentials, etc...
It doen’t have HDA2 because of chip shortages. I think some Ionic 5s have suffered this as well.
Where to buy without markup?
My parents bought there’s without a markup. I’d check out that video on Out of Spec Dave
@@KyleConner Cool!
Got one in Escondido at msrp.
@@rosmarin2438 i got one at milford ct key hyundai, with a minor 1500 markup
Genesis of ridgefield Connecticut or Genesis of denville New Jersey
If you don’t use leather in cars, clothing, shoes or sofas, are you going to landfill or destroy the hides? Steers for leather (no stretch marks) apparently live in barbed wire free conditions to stop hide blemishes (a Top Gear reference) so might possibly have a better life than just food chain ones?
the top trims have napa leather. its just marketing material targeted for environmentists
Any issues phantom breaking?
Funny. Our ev6 awd 2021 never saw 230kw at any condition at a HPC. It lacks preconditioning. Will it ever get one? What is the downside of loosing heat in the battery just to earn time while charging. Last winter at around 1‘C it was more like 50 min for 10-80% and the heatpump was useless. Fog inside and outside. Long trip through the eifel. I was freezing the whole trip. The heating seats saved my butt.
@Kyle i know you like the citroen Ami, but the gearbox seams not bulletproof. On this weekend it made a harsch sound than klack klack at each rotation. The worst part is the „non existing“ support by stellantis. 1400 km half year old. Love it till now…more than the Kia with endless Power.
Looks are subjective....but that back and side profile....not my thing. I'd rather have the Ioniq 5 or EV6. Perhaps the other amenities make up the difference.
And you cannot do everything in the settings. Sometimes i wished a 0,5 recuperation or 1,5 step with the paddels.
I like it. Should be a good option once Tesla opens up the Supercharger network.
Thanks for a great and detailed review Kyle. I think both the HDA2 availability and the five states limit is because the Hyundai Motor Group can’t build enough of these things and other high demand cars like the GV70. The GV70 Sport Prestige for example, stopped shopping with HDA2 middle of last year due to the chip shortage. So it seems they assigned the HDA2s to the Hyundai’s and Kia’s. Odd decision for sure. But it speaks to their inability to manufacture enough vehicles vs. demand, plus the chip shortage.
We have both the Ioniq 5 and gv60 and the lack of HDA2 is disappointing. We do a lot of hwy driving the HDA2 is smoother and more confident inspiring. As a result we drive the ioniq much more, among other reasons. We much prefer the Ioniq over the Gv60 as a family vehicle.
@@Wasabi9111 thanks for your comment. It has helped me a lot in terms of getting me to stop even thinking of “upgrading” from the Ioniq 5 Limited to the GV60. I rely on HDA2 a lot, and find my wife’s Kia Sorento PHEV has the equivalent of HDA1, and also prefer HDA2 a lot on longer trips. But it’s sometimes difficult to compare the implementations. Kia does things very similarly, but not identically, and the Sorento is not an EGMP product.
@@Wasabi9111 Counter point to this, I have a GV70 that has HDA2 and honestly if you don't hold the wheel at highway speeds (70mph or more) it can actually be jerky like it's constantly trying to center in the lane. I took video on my phone of the wheel constantly moving back and forth trying to force the car in the center of the lane. So the hands free part of HDA2 can be useless sometimes, I think they need to back it off to not be so aggressive at lane centering and allow it a tiny bit of drift cushion. Otherwise I like it and I do use it on long trips, it's just not as smooth as I'd like it to be at the same time especially if you're on a highway lane that has a lot of camber to it.
@@Hardcaslte I heard of all the twitchiness before we got the Ioniq but was surprisingly surprised how good it is in the Ioniq 5. Both Kyle and his dad have also raved about hda2 in the Ioniq. The worst system has to be my husbands polestar 2. It’s gotten better w updates, but it’s so twitchy that I have no confidence in it and I get car sick w it on.
@@t1328 the gv60 does have better minor UI, so you can tell it’s a more recent product. But to me these are minor upgrades. We much prefer the overall design of the Ioniq. We use it as a family car. The kids much prefer the much roomier 2nd row. Everyone prefers the open Ioniq cabin and storage. The gv60 is quieter and louder at the same time. I think the cabin feels more muffled and quiet, but the wind noise is definitely more noticable in the gv60, which I find more annoying. The gv60 is much more powerful, and it actually overwhelming since the wheels easily spin out of control. For casual driving the Ioniq is more manageable. I think I might have preferred the cheaper preferred over the performance model we have. I don’t know how the adaptive damper is calibrated, so sometimes it rides nice and sometimes it’s harsher than I would like.
Overall, I love my Ioniq and I was hoping the gv60 to be even better. But we find ourselves constantly driving the Ioniq over the gv60. There’s something simple and easy about the Ioniq.
The yellow light is for safety in case of accidents, supposedly for emergency responders.
FYI, if you add a rear LSD to a car, it will cause less oversteer and more understeer. Similarly if you have a RWD car with a stock rear LSD and the LSD fails, it will typically now experience severe oversteer.
The reason for this is the more the rear axle tries to lock to the same speed side to side, the more difficult it is to turn (the car wants to go straight).
I had a 1982 Camaro years ago that came with a 305 V8, a 4-speed manual and an LSD in the rear. At first it was a frustratingly understeering car, but once the LSD burned out the car became almost dangerous to drive at speed due to the extreme oversteer.
Edit: the situation where an LSD oversteers is when you give it enough throttle/power to spin the rear tires, the back end then loses lateral grip and can severely oversteer.
I still prefer cars with rear LSDs, but the suspension needs to be tuned (with a stiffer rear sway bar) to compensate.
Well, he's not asking for a basic mechanical LSD, but an active diff, which can redistribute torque more flexibly. More torque to the outside wheels means faster turning, like oversteer.
@@concinnus he talks about having the active LSD couple the left and right sides to make them spin the same speed so that is an LSD that couples left and right sides and does induce understeer.
He is a bit confused about how coupling left to right impacts driving dynamics. For example he stated he wished the LSD would couple the left and right axles on corner entry, claiming that would generate oversteer. In reality that would generate understeer on corner entry.
A brake based stability control system with a virtual locker (braking any spinning wheel) can generate oversteer but not an LSD that couples the wheels side to side in a relatively low center of gravity car or SUV (with low mounted batterys).
The best solution for an EV is where there is an electric motor at each wheel (or at least each rear wheel). These can apply a higher forward torque to the outside wheel(s) and induce the car to oversteer in a controlled way.
@@Slider68 The dual-motor behavior you ask for can also be accomplished with a single motor and an active diff. That's how Porsche added torque vectoring to the 918 with only 1 motor on each axle. This is exactly what OoS and I are talking about. But dual motor may actually be cheaper and/or lighter by now, though.
@@concinnus Yes but those advanced torque vectoring differentials are expensive and inefficient as far as fuel economy is concerned.
Honda even has one the they use in the Acura MDX and other vehicles that use wet clutches on each half shaft and an overdriven rear gear ratio.
It's too bad the Genesis GV60, Ioniq 5 & Kia EV6 don't have a custom drive mode. It's in the newer model Hyundai Sonatas. It allows you to change the steering resistance (Normal & Sport) independently from the Powertrain options (Eco & Sport).
I drove a 2018 Kia Stinter GT2 and a 2022 Genesis GV70 Sports Prestige, and both had the custom mode. I used it almost exclusively because I love sports/heavier steering; but didn’t want to always be in sports mode. I really miss this in my Ioniq 5 AWD Limited. I end up driving in Sports mode with iPedal mode to achieve something similar. But to your point, I really shouldn’t have to, nor should I have to upgrade to an Ioniq 5N/EV6 GT to get that custom mode. It would take them a few weeks to add this at most.
35:57 is that what u are talking about?
@@Visualhead_Spacer Wow, you have a good eye. I guess it does have it. Thanks for your help!
@@Visualhead_Spacer good spotting. Bummer that you have to get a Genesis to have that.
@@t1328 EV6 GT has it as well, yea normal EV6 doesn't have it. I guess only performance trims has it. Hopefully they'll add those in refresh models. But yea for 50k car, AWD EV6 that is sporty enough should have it.
The orange LED is a smart thing. If the car is in an accident the crews can tell if the HV is engaged. At $70K this is priced too high for what it is. It would be better at $60k.
Dang that hauls
Nice review! Get your hands on the Volvo S60 Recharge Ext Battery!
@Bowie, yes, that’s why I drive the polestar edition to pick up silver hair, casserole making grannies!
@Bowie Wau ... new saw that opportunity before...
I have test driven V60 Long Range and I think it is really nice and practical car. Also bigger battery + more e-power is great improvement over older ones.
We just do not get Polestar Engineered version here in Finland.
, nice! I just bought the S60 T8 with Extended Range. I’m in love with it, I can travel up to 50 miles on pure electricity.
Good to see a review of the Hyundai/Genesis GV60. How has the car held up over the past few weeks? Any fit/finish issues? I honestly like the Ionic5 more than the id.4 and this is even nicer. But I worry about Kia/Hyundai/Genesis build quality. (I have a 1999 Lexus that has held up quite well, while my 2002 Kia was dumped by 2006.)
The two deal breakers for this car for me were 1) lack of wireless Carplay and Android auto (huge miss for this price point), and 2) ipedal not sticking and having to engage it every time. Instead we bought a Mach-E which has wireless CarPlay and Android Auto, and not only has profiles for each user but ties your 1 pedal driving preference to the profile, so every time I get in the car and my profile loads up, the 1 pedal driving is engaged automatically and all the time. And when my spouse, who does not like one pedal driving, loads their profile, 1 pedal is off by default. It's perfect every time. The way it should be. If I had to tap that steering wheel paddle multiple times every time I drove the car just to engage 1 pedal driving it would drive me crazy. If they fixed those 2 things I'd consider buying one.
Dang, we will miss you.
I have the Ioniq5 Ultimate on order but it kept being delayed , I did try the Mach E nice to drive I really did not like the big screen stuck up in the front like the Tesla, the car drove well but I found the rear end a little bounces. I have since bought the GV 60 I lucked out here in Canada got it within 2 days I test drove both Performance and Advance really hard to tell any difference only in the sport mode , the interior on these cars is amazing in Canada they are both the same trim inside, as for the lack of the car play I just bought the little box $100 works great and you don't see it. Enjoy your Mach E good choice there are a lot here on the road as there does not seem to be any delay getting them.:)
To avoid the bodyroll on GV 60, the seat has to be adjusted. Honestly speaking I find my model Y is little better in handling but so much worst in the body-roll and comfort
I’ve seen a few people buy and road trip home, so it seems you don’t have to live in the areas to buy
Yes, I bought one in July. I'm in Wichita, KS, and had to road trip to Long Island to buy. I didn't have a reservation, either.
Ioniq 5 N will come with twin clutch torque vectroring system.
The video for no one seems to be the story of my life. Maybe one day.
Will a 6'7" fit in this car?
A 6‘7“ Christmas tree will fit if you lower the passenger seat all the way down.
Great, now a crouched arms in the air thumbnail. Good job, dicky.
O hda 2 is chip shortage
Ioniq 5 has HDA II so Genesis GV60 is inferior. Limited trim even has a HUD. They really screwed up their high-end brand with low-end garbage. But golly gee whiz, it has a spinning crystal ball.. what a cheap gimmick.
At the price of the genesis, I’d much rather go with Cadillac Lyriq.
I completely disagree rear wheel drive ev in snow is dangerous, the extra torque and hp can override safety systems and when in situations bwhere esp has to be off it’s harder to judge the power/toque , it’s far more important to get winter tires fitted than all season compared to sub 2.5b litre combustion
Any modern ESP has a snow mode, and is disabled by command only, not overridden by power, lol.
It's a non issue.
Agreed that tires are critical, though. Any area with more than a couple snowfalls a year should require snow tires imo, as Canada does.
@@concinnus no they don’t Id doesn’t only the all wheel drive does have a snow mode most just have eco/Normal/sports, I found out the hard way with a friend I. An Id4 launch where a burst pipe turned the road in to ice rink, thr only car that got up it was a Tesla duel motor 85 that over took us
@@ram64man So you're saying AWD is better than RWD on ice? Obviously. But Out of Spec's point was that RWD>FWD, not RWD>AWD.
It also sounds like VW is artificially crippling the RWD's ESP, probably because they want or expect you to buy the AWD for snowy climates. Either that ice event was a one-off you shouldn't worry about, or you're in a snowy climate and should have an AWD ID.4 or a RWD with proper ESP.
looks like the beam ng drive car
anyone know what kyles background is? auto engineer?
Your camera placement is terrible. Why must we look at you two almost all the time? Unbelievible!
Nice job focusing on what matters most in this video.
@@Byjhbkbhjk I'm looking forward to watching Ragnar's video on the GV60, I'm sure he'll have a full camera crew 😂
Their isn't really a better material than leather right now. Tesla uses "VEGAN" leather and it falls apart right away. (Relative to the alternative KING, leather)
The horrible electric motor sound.😳 I think the motor sound in my E-tron is irritating. I hope that can be turned of?😳
this guy sounds like a horrible partner, Alyssa deserves better
I like the finger print reader as added insurance against theft if it is needed in addition to the fob/phone. Tesla has an issue where thieves can capture your phone rfid signal and use it to steal the car. They issued the pin to drive to add security. This seems like the same thing but even more secure
Why is this called "out of Spec"? Dont you have the Specs?
young lady seems she would rather be somewhere else
The performance looks fine...but not all that impressed with the rest. It would be one thing if it was 20 thousand. But at 70 thousand I expect better looks inside and out. The steering wheel is also far too "Video Gamey" for me.
lmao 20k wtf u smoking, cant even buy a civic with that money
@@S2reds Exactly.. 20K ? Huh.. Smoking crack..
The things our wives do for us. You can tell she’d rather be doing something else.
Nice mansplaining.
@@rosmarin2438 that isn’t mansplaining
@@johnsacks7398 Sure it is. You assume she doesn’t want to help Kyle succeed.
Behind every great man is a woman who supports his vision!
she's just very very low key
Of course she wants Kyle to succeed but you can tell she wasn't really into this.
First
Who cares?
@@rosmarin2438 I sure don’t
@@ruststar That makes at least two of us!
@@rosmarin2438 yup hahaha
@@rosmarin2438 nobody😭 Nobody cares😪
Electric vehicles suck.
Exactly. Nobody likes so much performance and the 50/50 weight distribution which almost all electric cars have is also so horribly perfect.
Hi Kyle, Luv watching you & Allyssa ride together. Your pets kids are adorable. Are you guys married?
The interior is nice! But… the exterior is UGLY!
too much nerd info
Speak for yourself
you're on the wrong channel then
Is Kyle over talking?? Nonstop.
So, Question: a Jag I-Pace is also about $70K (as this top spec car, and Jag is fairly top spec). Despite the fact Jaguar charges at only 100KW, and this at 240KW... Just on driving dynamics, I may pick Jaguar over this car because I think that's how good the Jaguar drives. BUt thsi would be a true luxury $70K car that is MUCH better for llong road trips? (I mean, if you trip theJag, very possible, but you're doing a more "relaxed" trip with 30 min average stops versus 15 minut stops on this car? :) (Same as model Y Performance, but I wouldn't call Model Y Luxury, though its nearly $70K ifyou fully spec it) Would like to see this channel re-test an I-PACE (I think the Jag is a sleeper that looks really, really Good!)
Nominal, or more precisely “continuous” power is typically significantly less than peak, especially if the peak duration defined is short. Peak power is simply related to current density in the motor windings and the amount of copper, continuous is limited by the thermal design of the motors to lower thermal resistances to the coolant, the vehicle then manages the coolant temperatures.
G90 has 4 massage seats.
Is that the Savile Silver color?
Hey Jerry what's the story brigade
Please don't turn Out of Spec into Autogefühl, Thanks.