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Not gonna lie, I can't wait for another "Titanic" catastrophe. "She was unsinkable!" "We don't need lifeboats for EVERYBODY." "Nobody could have foreseen such a tragedy." "It was a freak accident, nobody is at fault."🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hi there, my name is Grant and I am an architectural designer based in Washington Dc, and graduate scholar from Penn State University. My research is focused on ocean liners and architecture and the roll ocean liners played in inspiring the primary architectural philosophy of modernism. I wanted to point out that the graphic shown at 3:30 shows the Titanic and a quoted speed of 30 knots when the Titanic's top speed was actually 23 knots. A more appropriate graphic would have been of the RMS Queen Mary which had a cruising speed of 28.5 knots and top speed of 32 knots. On another note, the impact that ocean liners had on modern architecture, and particularly the architect Le Corbusier, is actually very interesting and would make for a great video. For example, mid century public housing is largely based on a design ideology derived from the ocean liner!
Cruise ships are nice but kinda miss the romanticism and sense of adventure that come with ocean liners though. Preferably without icebergs or U-boats along the way.
White privilege. Icebergs and U-boats should have been a humbling experience but greedy people never learn. Can't wait for the next 'titanic' catastrophe that cleanses the world of human garbage.
Don’t get me wrong, I love oceangoing and even cruise ships - once had a wonderful trip on the then-largest ship in the world, Oasis of the Seas - but there’s something…wasteful about them, like the feeling you get when you order a desert at a restaurant when you’re already fit to burst. So much luxury and opulence crammed into a vessel that consumes so much just to stay afloat, all to be one day decommissioned instead of just placing all of that ashore where it might last. It might have been justified if these ships were actually taking you somewhere, but those days seem long over.
There could well come a time that ships like these become comfortable but slow alternatives to planes, and their inherent weight makes them more amenable to battery power. Electric cruises could be a real game changer for everyone, and you don't need to decommission old ships to do it. Retrofitting is nothing new.
No, almost all ships are scrapped or sunk. Take examples of Navy Ships. Many Super-Dreadnoughts that survived World War 2 were replaced by Battleships, which means that the dreadnoughts were scrapped. Soon, battleships were scrapped.
I recently read a story that a cruise ship in the Netherlands is currently housing refugees. It’s docked in or near Rotterdam and is used as a refugee housing. Very useful way to provide shelter for those in need of it if you ask me
Hoever the refugees like it so much that they refuse to move into available houses while the common dutch civilian has 0 possibillity to buy or rent a house.
You're just too lazy. You have access to the internet, the cumulative knowledge of all mankind. A grade school kid could do a project just sourcing Wikipedia.
According to an analysis, one individual on a typical cruise ship emits roughly 421.43kg of CO² per day. Alternatively, one individual staying in a high-end hotel, using carbon-heavy transportation and choosing higher carbon activities emits "just" 81.33 kg of CO² per day. So yeah. It's pretty bad.
Me and me family went for a cruise on board the Sea Diamond in 2007. Two weeks after our trip, the Sea Diamond sank on 4/5/2007. We were honestly shocked that the ship we just sailed on was now under the sea. We were considering going on an Italian cruise in 2012, but the sinking of the Costa Concordia changed our minds.
@@Shadow-bk1im that's right. a satellite fell on my house back in 2009. I thought the chances of it happening a second time were extremely low but it happened 10 more times
@@timotheataeShips owned by the Carnival Corporation emit 10 more sulfur dioxide than all European cars. Airplanes are obviously terrible for the environment, but at least they provide a necessary function.
I'm a bit sad that the ocean liner has come and gone. Although having nowhere near the amenities and comforts of a modern cruise ship and largely obsolete, there is something amazing about the graceful curves and sleek profile of an ocean liner, as opposed to the inelegant, almost absurd looks of today's condominiums at sea. I love cruising, but I feel like it is a wasteful, ethically dubious industry which may not survive the privations of climate change and cutbacks. With flying suffering similar challenges, I do wonder if ocean liners may have a chance to shine once again- but I'm not holding my breath.
I like the idea of ocean liners, the QM2 is bucket list material. Contrary to how Vox portrays things though, there are still many ships that regularly embark passengers for trans-oceanic journeys. Typically, these craft are freight ships (container ships) that have 6-12 cabins for non-crew passengers, rather than being a dedicated passenger vessel. It's not exactly the same as travelling by ocean liner, but very much a different experience from being on a floating mall that essentially drives around in a circle at sea.
There are still a lot of "ocean liner" You can go from Japan to South Korea by ships. China to Japan by ships. In Indonesia they combine ocean liner with vehicle carrier. This video too focused of Western market. Ocean liner still alive and well..
@@falsch4761 I think the distinction there is that most of those trips are day trips, not requiring cabins for passengers. Usually in the west we'd call those ferries rather than ocean liners. Ferries and car RORO vessels are still passenger transport though, that's true.
@@falsch4761 Yes, I am aware of carferries and cruiseferries- they are popular not just in Asia but in the Baltic, I've seen them before and they are quite cool. Nevertheless, an Ocean Liner does not just cross small straits or inland seas but do vast transoceanic crossings at dizzying speed- SS United States' top speed was 38.32 knots, or 70 km/hr.
Interesting. Ive never been on a big cruise ship myself, but in Scandinavia where I'm from we do have a lot of ferries on long overnight journeys that are about the same size as smaller cruise ships. Heck one of the ships on my nearest route, the Pearl Seaways (built in 1989) from Copenhagen to Oslo, did have a brief stint as a cruise liner sailing out of Hong Kong and Singapore around the turn of the millenium before being converted back into a car ferry as originally designed. Still while these trips have a very practical purpose, they're also incredibly popular for "minicruises". Ferry companies like DFDS have figured out they can fit their ships out with restaurants, night clubs, arcades and a small pool, and sell round trip tickets, so one can get on in Copenhagen, spend the night onboard, wake up in Oslo, explore the city for a few hours, and then travel back to Copenhagen. These minicruises have become incredibly popular, especially with how much more affordable such short trips are compared to a full cruise for a week or even just half a week.
Yes, that sounds nice. Then you don't have to travel at night and sleep terribly, or spend the money on another night at a hotel, just to leave the next morning.
@@Iudicatio Yeah. Honestly though if you want quick travel through the night, then night trains are better, since you can also leave later and arrive earlier, but the night train between Copenhagen and Oslo was discontinued over 20 years ago, and political discussions to revive it have gone nowhere.
@@drdewott9154 I don't know if the night trains in Scandinavia are better, but when I mentioned sleeping terribly I also meant the trains in Germany. There are no sleeping cars and it's the same as sleeping in the car or the bus.
Here, on the other side of the world, it's not even an overnight ferry but BC ferries now has a Vacations portion including hotels for trips. We do have an overnight route, but it's 16h.
Thank you so much for making the difference between "liners" and "cruise" ships. Nothing makes my historical ocean liner loving heart hurt than hearing the Titanic called a "cruise" ship.
Its amazing how big both ships and planes have gotten over the decades as populations have gone way up. Amazing how they can stay in the air or in this case the water.
@@V3ntilator There are never enough lifeboats because lifeboats have requirements as to where they can be mounted on the sides of a ship and that they need to be able to be lowered from deck height to the ocean. That said, maritime law requires cruise ships to be able to accommodate 75% of it's passengers into lifeboats, with the crew and the remaining passengers to be evacuated into rafts. Rafts are smaller, can be folded up when not in use and then deployed en masse directly into the water where they can be accessed via chutes.
It's not so much that populations have increased, although that is a factor. More people than ever before can afford to travel, even if it's only a budget airline or a cruise ship. Travel 100 years ago (say) was extremely expensive. Only a few people could afford it.
My family went on cruises in the Mediterranean and they were some of my best childhood memories. While the ships themselves were great with good entertainment and food, the big draw for us was the day trips to different European cities such as Rome, Nice, Pisa, Naples, and Barcelona. We got to see all the sites in those cities during the day, which is much more convenient and cost-effective than planning several world-spanning vacations in Europe to different countries. I can't imagine how boring it would be to just cruise across the Atlantic for a week or visit another Caribbean beach every day. Cruise ships can still be about the destination, just with a new destination every day!
I think in the US at least, Alaskan cruises are the best. Couple stops in Alaska with amazing scenery and icebergs. Then a stop or two in Canada as well, Vancouver I think. On the other hand Caribbean cruises are pretty boring, the scenery is much the same, beaches and sun, and I felt bad for the mostly poor locals in contrast with all the luxury of a cruise.
Love the history of the ocean liner being a mode of transport, but also love the modern cruise ships being a destination in themselves! Can't wait to go on Queen Mary 2 this September, followed by Symphony of the Seas a few months after!
I thought the idea of a cruise "ship" was to experience the ocean. If all your doing is malls, spas, buffets and gambling then why not just go to Vegas.
Hard to generalize because there's a lot of different types of cruises, both in terms of ships and destinations. If you can understand the appeal of a resort vacation though, then understand the appeal of a resort where you wake up in a different location every day, and also understand the appeal of being out on the ocean, then you can understand the appeal of a cruise. Besides that, cruises tend to be really affordable vacations if you want them to be (unless you're solo). They're also very simple to plan, all you really need to plan out is how to get to the ship and what you're doing for excursions, since food/lodging/transportation is all otherwise included in the fare. The huge megaships have a very diverse set of activities so they can be really well suited for families, Royal Caribbean's Icon is very clearly targeting that market. There's some other situational advantages, for example since I live around NYC a cruise is a vacation I can take public transportation to.
There is a bit of a shift in design philosophy now where the public spaces are trying to bring the ocean in a bit. Big tall windows and atriums that actually show the ocean etc. I mean if you’re going to be on the ship for 7 or 14 days, there is genuinely only so long one can look at the ocean and do nothing else.
Not all cruise ships are Vegas at sea. Mostly that's NCL (the 'Norway' is rolling over in its watery grave) and Carnival and its subsidiary, Costa, and its copy, MSC. Tacky, tacky, tacky. As well as 'Norway', I've been on Celebrity and Princess ships; they're comfortable and elegant, without letting you forget you're at sea. No malls. No water parks. No mini-golf or go-carts.
Just an FYI for anyone that sees this, Meraviglia might be the largest ship to dock in NYC but that’s because the docks can’t support the much bigger ships that instead dock in New Jersey, like Oasis of the Seas.
This is the best summary of the differences between an ocean liner and a cruise ship I've ever encountered. Sadly, this is the way the world goes. We don't build movie palaces anymore, we build cineplexes. We don't build castles, we build condos. It's sad to see the ocean liner going extinct, when the Queen Mary 2 is retired, I'm sure there won't be another. But these were all built for different eras. Time marches forward for better or worse.
There's a limit to ships before it loses its sparkle. Keep in mind, you're on a ship that, at max capacity, serves well over 5000 people; amenities don't expand or shrink with demand; they're static. If all those 5000+ people want to eat at the same time, there will be lines, wait times for tables, and slow service. If all those 5000+ people want to be out in the sun, you're likely to not find any space at all. Getting on or off the ship is a pain. Bigger is not necessarily better. And that's not even taking into account the amount of fuel needed to move that floating city or all the wasted food (oh yes...many passengers are notorious for leaving half-eaten meals on their plates).
I disagree. I went 3 times on a cruise ships and even tho it can get crowded at the pool there is still so many things to do that it is hardly noticable there is so many ppl on the boat. As they said there are like 5-9 restaurants on the boat and one of them is open 24/7. Also not to mention there are sport fields,gym,casino,caffes....
I also disagree. Theres cruise ship that service a whole 3 decks in ONE restaurant for passengers, not to mention(I forgot how) that they recycle their wasted foods and there’s a whole lot of restaurants used for passengers, some more Italian based for Italian passengers. I agree it’ll get more crowded but aren’t they able to limit the amount of passengers coming to that cruise ship? And besides, you pay more money if you want to spend another day in that cruise ship. That’s how they’re able to load literally more than 1 million dollars worth of food on the cruise ship while also paying their staff that work 24/7.
Ocean liner: built to plough the rough ocean, keep up with ocean traffic schedule, and got the elegance. Cruise ship: Giant, towering, blocky, floating apartment for pleasure cruises. CMIIW
@@urotaion9879 all her routes are cruises pretty much. The Atlantic crossing is also. What person would take qm2 Atlantic crossing to actually get where they need to go
Does anyone else think this series is way too short? I'm loving all the transportation series but it's way to short in scope. This video should've been twice as long!
I’ve been on 4 large cruise ships and I love them. There is just so much to do on them and you get really good value out of it. Transportation, unlimited food, entertainment, and housing all for one price (which can be less than $100 dollars per person per day).
One thing that I don't think many people know is that even during the turn of the 20th century, the idea was already a thing. There were a few extremely small (about the size of a tender) purpose built cruise ships which were focused on luxury and leisure rather than speed and utility.
I've been on a cruise before. My family schemed to visit the Disney Cruise, but we scrapped it without grounds. The first and only cruise line I've ever been to was Carnival.
I appologize. I made a previous comment saying that the ship on 1:56 - 2:06 is the Lusitania but it’s actually the Aquitania. Hope this didn’t hurt you guys 😅
It’s Aquitania bro You can see that main dining room of the ships in poster , 2 deck and looks like a square. Compare to Lusitania and Mauritania , they dining room looks like more shapes and circle
Ok but can we please get ocean liners back? Like instead of catching a plane; I would like the next most efficient option to cross oceans without spending unnecessarily long on board. Like give me a floating office for the week so I can spend the weekend in Europe or whatever
I mean… Planes are faster travel than ocean liners to the point that there’s barely any ocean liners today as far as I know… Eh, I wonder what you think.
Thank you so much for this, my first and second cruises were on the Norway. Fond memories yes, but also a good story that I continue to tell my family members. I was in my mid 20's. What happened on the Norway stays on the Norway!
I absolutely love the Queen Elizabeth two. It was a wonderful way to travel. And I really hope that whenever this ship retires that they will replace it with another ocean liner.
These types of comments are always below every video on cruise ships. If you don’t like it, don’t go. They are nonetheless impressive feats of engineering and operation.
@@skycaptain3344 It’s not exactly like I commented on a video review of “Dad’s cruises 2003-2004”. And you’re right, they are impressive feats of engineering. Too bad those minds aren’t being put to better use. Also, the reason why you see those comments on every video is because cruise ships are a blight on the planet. They are horrible, horrible monstrosities that attract the same kind of people that want visit Sandals Resort and visit Applebees on their way home.
Here in Vancouver, Royal Caribbean deploys the 20-year-old Radiance-class ships (90,000 GT) on Alaska itineraries. Quantum-class ships (168,000 GT) sail out of Seattle because they can't fit under the Lions Gate Bridge. However, the Radiance-class has an abundance of floor to ceiling windows so guests can view the majestic scenery of the Last Frontier, and can fit into smaller ports and fjords, as well as get closer to glaciers. The Quantum-class takes too many notes from the Oasis- and Icon-class. No windows in public areas of the ship, and the interior is like a Vegas outlet mall. If I wanted that, I can get that on land. The biggest cruise ship to come to Vancouver is the Norwegian Bliss, and it can only do so at low tide.
I’m glad to see this comment. I love the Radiance-class ships. Not only do they have so much focus outward on the ocean, they are aesthetically pleasing.
@@skycaptain3344 My dad used to drive limos so during Alaska season, he used to transport cruisers from their hotels or YVR, to the cruise ports at Canada Place or Ballantyne Pier. Whenever we were at Canada Place in the summer, he would point out the cruise ships to me. I remember the distinctive logos of Holland America, Princess and Celebrity ships, plus the Legend, Rhapsody, and Radiance of the Seas. I was too young to remember Sun Viking or Viking Serenade, though.
I feel like ships getting this big is a good representstion of what the west, mostly americans desperately want but arent willing to do or cant. Which is walking. Hear me out. If and average american went on a vacation on a hotel, they would go in there rooms and maybe that hotel has a pool, cool but eventually you would need to go out for sight seeing, eat, drink, party, etc. All that requires a car. But when youre on a cruise like as big as the icon, you end up walking cuz there are no options for cars. Consider a cruise ship as an american version of a downtown european country with waterslides and other amenities that americans love, where there are no cars allowed and you actually needed to use your feet to get where you want to go. But you might be asking yourslef, if americans just want to walk, why dont they just take a cruise that takes them to europe? Well americans want to walk but dread the idea of walking up until they are forced to do so cuz they cant imagine going anywhere without a car. And cruises like these with there big lights and big splashes blinds them of the dread of walking and just start walking.
@@AlextheHistorian Historically, a boat could fit on a ship but a ship could not fit on a boat. But that's a little blurred nowadays, especially as massive submarines are classified as boats due to their past as tiny craft launched by ships. Nowadays, aside from plain tradition, the distinction is due to the function of the vessel, mainly how long it can operate away from port.
Mind I’ve been on a cruise ship during a storm, the waves were coming half way up the ship and they had to close the deck, you still barely felt a thing inside the ship.
As the comments have said, be interesting to see the environmental impact a cruise ship has vs a similarly sized inner city neighbourhood with good public transport.
How would a hotel that sales to multiple countries be possible to compare to a public transport network? People aren’t moving to a cruise ship, and a city can’t sail around on vacation.
@@Ikajo But isn’t the system automated? They have literal course strainers filtering black water that’s supposed to be cleaned by workers who get payed for cleaning them in the first place. Idk how they can stop the black and grey water from being flushing into the tanks inside the cruise ship before it gets filtered. Ngl I actually like this conversation👍
My family took the SS France (3:53) from NYC to Southampton in June of 1970. I was pretty small but remember some very specific parts. Taking an escalator down into the dining room and seeing the chandelier come into view as we descended. And a huge playground - or at least it seemed huge to a kid!
I've done many travels alone, or for work or together with my wife, arranged all by myself or ourselves, since i am not a fan of mass tourism. One holiday though we did take a cruise in the Arabian gulf because i wsnted to show my wife the middle east after i had been there many times for work. And to avoid having to do several difficult border crissings by car (into and out of KSA for example) we decided that the only viable way to do that holiday was a cruise. And much to my surprise i actually really loved it. It was so much fun to be on that ship. And it was actually quite possible to avoid the masses if we wanted to. Plus the stops in the several cities where we stopped to explore them really helped to be away from the masses of the ship for a bit. So i would definitely do another cruise holiday one day.
I only disagree with that statement about: How we miss the old timey ships interior design styles and that people in the future will say they miss the designs from the 2020's. (I disagree. I think we are in a era that desperately needs reinvigorated creativity and passion to it's design and approach)
I just don’t understand why people want to pay MORE money to enjoy all the things you can already get on land with the bonus feature of possibly drowning
Could not pay me to set foot on one of those floating malls/ petri dishes. Also passenger liners of 100 years ago were more akin to a cross ocean flight than a cruse. Ocean liners go A to B where as cruse ships wander around.
Yeah! I am an American citizen but live in Europe and I would love to travel back to the US that way one time. First ride the train to Southampton. I have taken the train from where I live to Scotland before and it was a lot of fun. And then ride Amtrak in the states if it's possible. I did it before and it was nice also, but it was 10 years ago and I've heard it's gotten worse since then.
@@Gearing-s8q QM2 is definitely not just a cruise ship with a black hull. She is literally constructed and engineered differently, she can handle worse weather than cruise ships can and she can outrun them in a race as well.
I want to hear more about port restrictions. I've heard some rumbling that some big ships won't be able to get under the Lions Gate Bridge to Vancouver in the future. I bet there are all kinds of interesting facts about port specifics that have changed geography, demographics, and industries like cruise ships.
In my opinion, the SS Normandie and SS United States were the best-looking passenger vessels to ever ply the seas. Modern cruise ships often look bloated and excessive.
@@MaticTheProto I just looked it up, and it is definitely the best-looking "classic-style" oceanliner. But the SS Normandie still takes the cake for me.
When my dad was a kid he sailed on all the liners. He said his favorites were the French line and Italian Line because of the food was just the best. He liked Cunard but wasn’t his favorite. I’ve sailed on the QE2 and QM2 and they are truly the last true liners. Dinner you have to wear a jacket in the restaurant and it does have a lot of amenities but not like the cruise ships. It’s not as flashy and is an enjoyable experience
A friend of mine was having his house renovated and he needed somewhere to live for three months. It turned out that spending the time on a cruise ship with all meals included was cheaper than renting a small apartment in Melbourne that was the same size as the room on a ship.
yeah, being stuck in a mall for weeks... with strangers... only to get off to visit places for what? half a day? Seems like a nightmare, and you won't even get to know the countries/places you visit.
Never found cruise ships inviting. It's quite scary, to be honest. Also, if a crime happens, be prepared to never find justice or have a horrible time working with the required authorities because there really isn't one.
A EXTREMELY important thing to note is that the chart given at 2:38 is a log (logarithmic) scale. Notice that it’s the same height from 100,000 to 1,000,000 passengers as from 1,000,000 to 10,000,000 passengers. Which is kind of disingenuous. If this had been to actual 1:1 scale that we’re all familiar with, the divergence would be VASTLY more dramatic. Like, a near vertical upward spike for air travel.
The idea of traveling in these big ships looking like cakes is so unappealing. Queen Mary 2 is in my bucket list, she’s big, but with a certain charisma. Even when she’s docked next to these bigger cruises that came after her, she will always stand out.
Just as the world is becoming more turbulent and with an unstable climate, cost of living rising etc the Icon of the Seas seems so far from what we really should be doing. But i guess im a spoil sport!
ever since the first person who had idea to stylize interior of the ship into a hotel ships started turning into entire vegas strips now we have giant theme parks that would take 6 separate cruises to actually be everywhere and see everything and it's so freaking expensive nobody wants to do it more than once 6:43 lok at this LOOK AT THIS this is what's called overabundance water park with slides, that thing for surfing, same floor different side, jaccuzi, are those gaint sofas? bottom of the structure - anotehr water park? and that's just one picture it's a complete overload
great video, I worked on ships in the 90's and I was lucky not to work on the Norway. I would recommend a cruise but find the smallest ship you can afford and one that actually goes places. Why would you get on a ship that parked itself off the coast, doesnt rock , and you eat in shifts. Its like being locked in a hotel for a week.
Have you been watching our travel series? This is the fourth of five videos all about the hidden design details, trends, and systems in travel! So far we’ve looked at big boats, trains, RVs, and American automobiles … and last but not least? Planes! See you next week!
Not gonna lie, I can't wait for another "Titanic" catastrophe. "She was unsinkable!" "We don't need lifeboats for EVERYBODY." "Nobody could have foreseen such a tragedy." "It was a freak accident, nobody is at fault."🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ugh, I hate cruises. Talk about how they pollute, talk about how the overwhelm small towns...
@@tuanoful ++++++
Hi there, my name is Grant and I am an architectural designer based in Washington Dc, and graduate scholar from Penn State University. My research is focused on ocean liners and architecture and the roll ocean liners played in inspiring the primary architectural philosophy of modernism. I wanted to point out that the graphic shown at 3:30 shows the Titanic and a quoted speed of 30 knots when the Titanic's top speed was actually 23 knots. A more appropriate graphic would have been of the RMS Queen Mary which had a cruising speed of 28.5 knots and top speed of 32 knots. On another note, the impact that ocean liners had on modern architecture, and particularly the architect Le Corbusier, is actually very interesting and would make for a great video. For example, mid century public housing is largely based on a design ideology derived from the ocean liner!
The displacement (tonnage) of a ship has nothing to do with internal volume.
Cruise ships are nice but kinda miss the romanticism and sense of adventure that come with ocean liners though. Preferably without icebergs or U-boats along the way.
What about a U-boat ocean liner? 😆
If you’re ever near LA, highly recommend touring the queen mary.
You can take cruise on smaller ships to more exotic “Exploration cruise” if you want that
Or without Tornadoes 🌀or Bad Conditions or 🌊Tsunamis
White privilege. Icebergs and U-boats should have been a humbling experience but greedy people never learn. Can't wait for the next 'titanic' catastrophe that cleanses the world of human garbage.
You almost got through the whole video without referencing Titanic once! Good effort.
The video would have drowned
Oceangate oceangate oceangate
@@yeshummingbird That's why he said almost
@@yeshummingbird That's not what litterally means. 😢😭 I need to just let go . I know.
I'm amazed they managed to avoid wailing about the "alt-right" for a whole video TBH.
Don’t get me wrong, I love oceangoing and even cruise ships - once had a wonderful trip on the then-largest ship in the world, Oasis of the Seas - but there’s something…wasteful about them, like the feeling you get when you order a desert at a restaurant when you’re already fit to burst.
So much luxury and opulence crammed into a vessel that consumes so much just to stay afloat, all to be one day decommissioned instead of just placing all of that ashore where it might last. It might have been justified if these ships were actually taking you somewhere, but those days seem long over.
There could well come a time that ships like these become comfortable but slow alternatives to planes, and their inherent weight makes them more amenable to battery power.
Electric cruises could be a real game changer for everyone, and you don't need to decommission old ships to do it. Retrofitting is nothing new.
No, almost all ships are scrapped or sunk. Take examples of Navy Ships. Many Super-Dreadnoughts that survived World War 2 were replaced by Battleships, which means that the dreadnoughts were scrapped. Soon, battleships were scrapped.
What you just described is exactly how I feel about capitalism as our current global economic system...
Well done! ✊️
I usually only get desert at a restaurant if I'm feeling ill. My grandma always said it helps soak up all the nasty stuff.
@@TheAmericanAmericanthat's true, it's basically everything, not just cruises
I recently read a story that a cruise ship in the Netherlands is currently housing refugees. It’s docked in or near Rotterdam and is used as a refugee housing. Very useful way to provide shelter for those in need of it if you ask me
they even use those river cruise ships for housing
Yes! More cruise ships should be used for housing
Hoever the refugees like it so much that they refuse to move into available houses while the common dutch civilian has 0 possibillity to buy or rent a house.
Yeah the UK is trying to do that, but not with a cruise ship. It’s more like a floating prison.
Straight up. Since they're boats you can also take them to where housing is needed (hypothetically). Pretty interesting
hey Vox, can you compare emissions from cruise ships, liners and all that to other modes of travel ? I do not have the expertise to do this myself
Second this!
Third this!
You're just too lazy. You have access to the internet, the cumulative knowledge of all mankind. A grade school kid could do a project just sourcing Wikipedia.
According to an analysis, one individual on a typical cruise ship emits roughly 421.43kg of CO² per day. Alternatively, one individual staying in a high-end hotel, using carbon-heavy transportation and choosing higher carbon activities emits "just" 81.33 kg of CO² per day.
So yeah. It's pretty bad.
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Notice how they never made the mistake of saying it is unsinkable
Some researchers had found that they never claimed Titanic was unsinkable until after it sinked.
Fun fact the titanic was never called unsinkable
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They never called it unsinkable until after it sank.
Whatever floats your boat ;-)
@@grahamkight9111 It was called unsinkable by the media but not by the White Star Line.
Me and me family went for a cruise on board the Sea Diamond in 2007. Two weeks after our trip, the Sea Diamond sank on 4/5/2007. We were honestly shocked that the ship we just sailed on was now under the sea. We were considering going on an Italian cruise in 2012, but the sinking of the Costa Concordia changed our minds.
Wow
Lightning doesn't strike the same place twice as they say. Go for that Italian cruise. It has been 12 years or so since them.
@@jamesrosewell9081The reality is it very much does. Lightning loves to strike the same spot over and over and over.
@@Shadow-bk1im that's right. a satellite fell on my house back in 2009. I thought the chances of it happening a second time were extremely low but it happened 10 more times
No mention of the huge environmental impact? 509 tonnes of sulphur oxides were emitted by the 218 cruise vessels sailing in Europe last year.
Vox don’t want to mess with their bottom line
And how much from planes?
Very disappointing. This was just an ad for cruise ships. Vox is so hypocritical
@@timotheataeShips owned by the Carnival Corporation emit 10 more sulfur dioxide than all European cars.
Airplanes are obviously terrible for the environment, but at least they provide a necessary function.
I love humanity
Sarcasm
As someone who doesn’t like being around screaming kids when I’m on vacation, taking a cruise was quite possibly the worst thing I ever did.
They have adult only cruise ships 😁
It's all about timeing
Try Holland America.
You went on the wrong cruise line and/or the wrong time.
That’s silly lol there’s many many adult only cruise lines and adult only spaces
I’m loving this series, it’s so well put together. Thank you! ❤🎉
Omg EmmaCruises! Your videos are so entertaining 😊
I'm a bit sad that the ocean liner has come and gone. Although having nowhere near the amenities and comforts of a modern cruise ship and largely obsolete, there is something amazing about the graceful curves and sleek profile of an ocean liner, as opposed to the inelegant, almost absurd looks of today's condominiums at sea.
I love cruising, but I feel like it is a wasteful, ethically dubious industry which may not survive the privations of climate change and cutbacks. With flying suffering similar challenges, I do wonder if ocean liners may have a chance to shine once again- but I'm not holding my breath.
I like the idea of ocean liners, the QM2 is bucket list material. Contrary to how Vox portrays things though, there are still many ships that regularly embark passengers for trans-oceanic journeys. Typically, these craft are freight ships (container ships) that have 6-12 cabins for non-crew passengers, rather than being a dedicated passenger vessel. It's not exactly the same as travelling by ocean liner, but very much a different experience from being on a floating mall that essentially drives around in a circle at sea.
There are still a lot of "ocean liner" You can go from Japan to South Korea by ships. China to Japan by ships. In Indonesia they combine ocean liner with vehicle carrier. This video too focused of Western market. Ocean liner still alive and well..
@@falsch4761 I think the distinction there is that most of those trips are day trips, not requiring cabins for passengers. Usually in the west we'd call those ferries rather than ocean liners. Ferries and car RORO vessels are still passenger transport though, that's true.
@@falsch4761 Japan to Korea or China is hardly a trans-oceanic trip. More like a ferry than an ocean liner.
@@falsch4761 Yes, I am aware of carferries and cruiseferries- they are popular not just in Asia but in the Baltic, I've seen them before and they are quite cool. Nevertheless, an Ocean Liner does not just cross small straits or inland seas but do vast transoceanic crossings at dizzying speed- SS United States' top speed was 38.32 knots, or 70 km/hr.
Interesting. Ive never been on a big cruise ship myself, but in Scandinavia where I'm from we do have a lot of ferries on long overnight journeys that are about the same size as smaller cruise ships. Heck one of the ships on my nearest route, the Pearl Seaways (built in 1989) from Copenhagen to Oslo, did have a brief stint as a cruise liner sailing out of Hong Kong and Singapore around the turn of the millenium before being converted back into a car ferry as originally designed.
Still while these trips have a very practical purpose, they're also incredibly popular for "minicruises". Ferry companies like DFDS have figured out they can fit their ships out with restaurants, night clubs, arcades and a small pool, and sell round trip tickets, so one can get on in Copenhagen, spend the night onboard, wake up in Oslo, explore the city for a few hours, and then travel back to Copenhagen. These minicruises have become incredibly popular, especially with how much more affordable such short trips are compared to a full cruise for a week or even just half a week.
Yes, that sounds nice. Then you don't have to travel at night and sleep terribly, or spend the money on another night at a hotel, just to leave the next morning.
@@Iudicatio Yeah. Honestly though if you want quick travel through the night, then night trains are better, since you can also leave later and arrive earlier, but the night train between Copenhagen and Oslo was discontinued over 20 years ago, and political discussions to revive it have gone nowhere.
@@drdewott9154 I don't know if the night trains in Scandinavia are better, but when I mentioned sleeping terribly I also meant the trains in Germany. There are no sleeping cars and it's the same as sleeping in the car or the bus.
Here, on the other side of the world, it's not even an overnight ferry but BC ferries now has a Vacations portion including hotels for trips. We do have an overnight route, but it's 16h.
I am on the Pearl right now at this moment, going to Oslo 😅 it‘s my first time on a big ship like this. I actually really like it 🥹
Thank you so much for making the difference between "liners" and "cruise" ships. Nothing makes my historical ocean liner loving heart hurt than hearing the Titanic called a "cruise" ship.
What is a 'crusie' ship?
@@gerry343 the video told you.
@@the4tierbridge CRUSIE ?
@@gerry343 oh.
Oops
As a nerd who loves ocean liners (especially the Titanic, as you can probably infer by my username..), this also hurts just a little bit inside.
"It is the... sorry, *she*-"
Amazing boat reference
Its amazing how big both ships and planes have gotten over the decades as populations have gone way up. Amazing how they can stay in the air or in this case the water.
you might not realise it so much, but technology still advances in even these well-established areas :)
@theinternetbutler lots of lifeboats
@@besthomepage5145 There is never enough life boats on any ship, because not everyone will survive anyway.
@@V3ntilator There are never enough lifeboats because lifeboats have requirements as to where they can be mounted on the sides of a ship and that they need to be able to be lowered from deck height to the ocean. That said, maritime law requires cruise ships to be able to accommodate 75% of it's passengers into lifeboats, with the crew and the remaining passengers to be evacuated into rafts.
Rafts are smaller, can be folded up when not in use and then deployed en masse directly into the water where they can be accessed via chutes.
It's not so much that populations have increased, although that is a factor. More people than ever before can afford to travel, even if it's only a budget airline or a cruise ship.
Travel 100 years ago (say) was extremely expensive. Only a few people could afford it.
My family went on cruises in the Mediterranean and they were some of my best childhood memories. While the ships themselves were great with good entertainment and food, the big draw for us was the day trips to different European cities such as Rome, Nice, Pisa, Naples, and Barcelona. We got to see all the sites in those cities during the day, which is much more convenient and cost-effective than planning several world-spanning vacations in Europe to different countries. I can't imagine how boring it would be to just cruise across the Atlantic for a week or visit another Caribbean beach every day. Cruise ships can still be about the destination, just with a new destination every day!
It’s very relaxing! I’m doing an English Isles cruise in 2025 to switch up from the Caribbean.
I think in the US at least, Alaskan cruises are the best. Couple stops in Alaska with amazing scenery and icebergs. Then a stop or two in Canada as well, Vancouver I think.
On the other hand Caribbean cruises are pretty boring, the scenery is much the same, beaches and sun, and I felt bad for the mostly poor locals in contrast with all the luxury of a cruise.
This channel mastered narrating stories in a way that makes you feel you uncover the mystery yourself .. Thank you Vox👏👏👏
Love the history of the ocean liner being a mode of transport, but also love the modern cruise ships being a destination in themselves! Can't wait to go on Queen Mary 2 this September, followed by Symphony of the Seas a few months after!
I thought the idea of a cruise "ship" was to experience the ocean. If all your doing is malls, spas, buffets and gambling then why not just go to Vegas.
Same with ocean liners, maybe both of them isolates from the "ocean experience".
Hard to generalize because there's a lot of different types of cruises, both in terms of ships and destinations. If you can understand the appeal of a resort vacation though, then understand the appeal of a resort where you wake up in a different location every day, and also understand the appeal of being out on the ocean, then you can understand the appeal of a cruise.
Besides that, cruises tend to be really affordable vacations if you want them to be (unless you're solo). They're also very simple to plan, all you really need to plan out is how to get to the ship and what you're doing for excursions, since food/lodging/transportation is all otherwise included in the fare. The huge megaships have a very diverse set of activities so they can be really well suited for families, Royal Caribbean's Icon is very clearly targeting that market. There's some other situational advantages, for example since I live around NYC a cruise is a vacation I can take public transportation to.
Exactly.
There is a bit of a shift in design philosophy now where the public spaces are trying to bring the ocean in a bit. Big tall windows and atriums that actually show the ocean etc. I mean if you’re going to be on the ship for 7 or 14 days, there is genuinely only so long one can look at the ocean and do nothing else.
Not all cruise ships are Vegas at sea. Mostly that's NCL (the 'Norway' is rolling over in its watery grave) and Carnival and its subsidiary, Costa, and its copy, MSC. Tacky, tacky, tacky. As well as 'Norway', I've been on Celebrity and Princess ships; they're comfortable and elegant, without letting you forget you're at sea. No malls. No water parks. No mini-golf or go-carts.
Just an FYI for anyone that sees this, Meraviglia might be the largest ship to dock in NYC but that’s because the docks can’t support the much bigger ships that instead dock in New Jersey, like Oasis of the Seas.
This is the best summary of the differences between an ocean liner and a cruise ship I've ever encountered.
Sadly, this is the way the world goes. We don't build movie palaces anymore, we build cineplexes. We don't build castles, we build condos. It's sad to see the ocean liner going extinct, when the Queen Mary 2 is retired, I'm sure there won't be another. But these were all built for different eras. Time marches forward for better or worse.
Finally a new video from you. They are rarer than Christmas presents. Nice job as always. Please , show up more often :)
There's a limit to ships before it loses its sparkle. Keep in mind, you're on a ship that, at max capacity, serves well over 5000 people; amenities don't expand or shrink with demand; they're static. If all those 5000+ people want to eat at the same time, there will be lines, wait times for tables, and slow service. If all those 5000+ people want to be out in the sun, you're likely to not find any space at all. Getting on or off the ship is a pain.
Bigger is not necessarily better.
And that's not even taking into account the amount of fuel needed to move that floating city or all the wasted food (oh yes...many passengers are notorious for leaving half-eaten meals on their plates).
I disagree. I went 3 times on a cruise ships and even tho it can get crowded at the pool there is still so many things to do that it is hardly noticable there is so many ppl on the boat. As they said there are like 5-9 restaurants on the boat and one of them is open 24/7. Also not to mention there are sport fields,gym,casino,caffes....
This is why I prefer Celebrity, HAL, or Disney (at least when our kids go). Those lines generally operate smaller to mid size ships
I also disagree. Theres cruise ship that service a whole 3 decks in ONE restaurant for passengers, not to mention(I forgot how) that they recycle their wasted foods and there’s a whole lot of restaurants used for passengers, some more Italian based for Italian passengers. I agree it’ll get more crowded but aren’t they able to limit the amount of passengers coming to that cruise ship? And besides, you pay more money if you want to spend another day in that cruise ship. That’s how they’re able to load literally more than 1 million dollars worth of food on the cruise ship while also paying their staff that work 24/7.
Thing is those ships are built to handle that sort of capacity so they offer large areas and food options
I love this series! Well done on the series so far 👏🏽
'There's no bow where Jack and Rose can say I'm The King of the World'
Or whatever
there is not even sterns anymore to do the "Jack, that's where we first met"
4:49 multi confession church, just in case you drew naked portrait of someone 😂😂😂
Ocean liner: built to plough the rough ocean, keep up with ocean traffic schedule, and got the elegance.
Cruise ship: Giant, towering, blocky, floating apartment for pleasure cruises.
CMIIW
Queen Mary 2 being a cruise ship hiding in plain sight
@@Gearing-s8qEh, I wouldn’t say that… it does have a more cruise ship-ish superstructure but that’s about it really
@@urotaion9879 all her routes are cruises pretty much. The Atlantic crossing is also. What person would take qm2 Atlantic crossing to actually get where they need to go
@@Gearing-s8q fair point
@@Gearing-s8q Qm2 is actually completely different she’s engineered and built totally different then a regular cruise ship.
Does anyone else think this series is way too short? I'm loving all the transportation series but it's way to short in scope. This video should've been twice as long!
I’ve been on 4 large cruise ships and I love them. There is just so much to do on them and you get really good value out of it. Transportation, unlimited food, entertainment, and housing all for one price (which can be less than $100 dollars per person per day).
that's so basic
One of the most entertaining videos I watched on UA-cam
I think what I’m getting is that there’s definitely a nostalgia for more glamorous times but with that comes its own challenges.
Great video!
I love the design centered videos from Vox! Please keep them coming!
The background music of this video is unreasonably delightful & cheery and I am completely here for it!! 😄
Cruise liners line of thinking is amazing. “Why go somewhere far away when you can leave and come right back?”
That’s called travel
This is a surprisingly decent video. The thumbnail could use some work, though.
Didn’t expect to see you here :)
I went on Harmony of the seas in May and I LOVED IT. It was a great vacation!
The next time you look in the mirror know that the face of evil is staring back at you.
@@patrickfitzgerald2861 Good, I hope I become the worst person on the planet after my 19th cruise in December!
I so love cruise ships even tho i've never been in one
This was cool to learn about! Thanks for researching, compiling, and presenting the history of cruise ships :D
One thing that I don't think many people know is that even during the turn of the 20th century, the idea was already a thing. There were a few extremely small (about the size of a tender) purpose built cruise ships which were focused on luxury and leisure rather than speed and utility.
I hope ocean liners will always stay around. It's nice to have the option if you don't like flying 😂
I've been on a cruise before. My family schemed to visit the Disney Cruise, but we scrapped it without grounds. The first and only cruise line I've ever been to was Carnival.
That's capable of 600 more people onboard than Picard's Enterprise.
YTMND: 🎶 Captain Jean Luc Picard of the USS enterprise. 🎶
I appologize. I made a previous comment saying that the ship on 1:56 - 2:06 is the Lusitania but it’s actually the Aquitania.
Hope this didn’t hurt you guys 😅
More specifically, the poster shows Aquitania during the 1920~50s after her 1920 refit, which included changes to the superstructure.
It’s Aquitania bro
You can see that main dining room of the ships in poster , 2 deck and looks like a square. Compare to Lusitania and Mauritania , they dining room looks like more shapes and circle
Ok but can we please get ocean liners back? Like instead of catching a plane; I would like the next most efficient option to cross oceans without spending unnecessarily long on board. Like give me a floating office for the week so I can spend the weekend in Europe or whatever
I mean… Planes are faster travel than ocean liners to the point that there’s barely any ocean liners today as far as I know… Eh, I wonder what you think.
Thank you so much for this, my first and second cruises were on the Norway. Fond memories yes, but also a good story that I continue to tell my family members. I was in my mid 20's. What happened on the Norway stays on the Norway!
to be fair, ocean liners sound a lot better than cruise ship
As someone who's fascinated by Ocean Liners of the last two centuries, this is my favorite vox video.
I absolutely love the Queen Elizabeth two. It was a wonderful way to travel. And I really hope that whenever this ship retires that they will replace it with another ocean liner.
Nicely done !!! Great footage of some vintage ships. Europa 66 and Liberte. Well done.
I honestly cannot think of a better way to ruin my vacation than to take a cruise ship.
Every single deep water port in Europe has been taken over and destroyed by these monstrosities and the evil people who use them.
Right ? if i wanted to stay in an overcrowded shopping mall, i'd just stay home ...
@@benjaminbouaoune4466 And being stuck with at sea with the type of person who would WANT to go on a cruise? Perish the thought.
These types of comments are always below every video on cruise ships. If you don’t like it, don’t go. They are nonetheless impressive feats of engineering and operation.
@@skycaptain3344 It’s not exactly like I commented on a video review of “Dad’s cruises 2003-2004”. And you’re right, they are impressive feats of engineering. Too bad those minds aren’t being put to better use.
Also, the reason why you see those comments on every video is because cruise ships are a blight on the planet. They are horrible, horrible monstrosities that attract the same kind of people that want visit Sandals Resort and visit Applebees on their way home.
7:10 She's a MMXXII decedent. She had the second-longest reign on earth.👑
Here in Vancouver, Royal Caribbean deploys the 20-year-old Radiance-class ships (90,000 GT) on Alaska itineraries. Quantum-class ships (168,000 GT) sail out of Seattle because they can't fit under the Lions Gate Bridge.
However, the Radiance-class has an abundance of floor to ceiling windows so guests can view the majestic scenery of the Last Frontier, and can fit into smaller ports and fjords, as well as get closer to glaciers.
The Quantum-class takes too many notes from the Oasis- and Icon-class. No windows in public areas of the ship, and the interior is like a Vegas outlet mall. If I wanted that, I can get that on land.
The biggest cruise ship to come to Vancouver is the Norwegian Bliss, and it can only do so at low tide.
I’m glad to see this comment. I love the Radiance-class ships. Not only do they have so much focus outward on the ocean, they are aesthetically pleasing.
@@skycaptain3344 My dad used to drive limos so during Alaska season, he used to transport cruisers from their hotels or YVR, to the cruise ports at Canada Place or Ballantyne Pier. Whenever we were at Canada Place in the summer, he would point out the cruise ships to me. I remember the distinctive logos of Holland America, Princess and Celebrity ships, plus the Legend, Rhapsody, and Radiance of the Seas. I was too young to remember Sun Viking or Viking Serenade, though.
These cruise ships sit on the water the way bricks don’t.
I feel like ships getting this big is a good representstion of what the west, mostly americans desperately want but arent willing to do or cant. Which is walking. Hear me out. If and average american went on a vacation on a hotel, they would go in there rooms and maybe that hotel has a pool, cool but eventually you would need to go out for sight seeing, eat, drink, party, etc. All that requires a car. But when youre on a cruise like as big as the icon, you end up walking cuz there are no options for cars. Consider a cruise ship as an american version of a downtown european country with waterslides and other amenities that americans love, where there are no cars allowed and you actually needed to use your feet to get where you want to go.
But you might be asking yourslef, if americans just want to walk, why dont they just take a cruise that takes them to europe?
Well americans want to walk but dread the idea of walking up until they are forced to do so cuz they cant imagine going anywhere without a car. And cruises like these with there big lights and big splashes blinds them of the dread of walking and just start walking.
I love Ocean liners! They had an elegant feel and look to them.
0:00 Boats and ships are mutually exclusive. Ships are not big boats, they're ships and large craft.
What's the difference between a boat and ship?
A boat can fit on a ship. A ship can't fit on a boat
@@AlextheHistorian Historically, a boat could fit on a ship but a ship could not fit on a boat. But that's a little blurred nowadays, especially as massive submarines are classified as boats due to their past as tiny craft launched by ships. Nowadays, aside from plain tradition, the distinction is due to the function of the vessel, mainly how long it can operate away from port.
Powerful yet subtle concluding graph
Mind I’ve been on a cruise ship during a storm, the waves were coming half way up the ship and they had to close the deck, you still barely felt a thing inside the ship.
Took my first cruise this past weekend and now I’m all in on research and the history of boats
All it takes is one Italian captain to sink one.
this was brilliantly explained thank you so much!
As the comments have said, be interesting to see the environmental impact a cruise ship has vs a similarly sized inner city neighbourhood with good public transport.
How would a hotel that sales to multiple countries be possible to compare to a public transport network? People aren’t moving to a cruise ship, and a city can’t sail around on vacation.
Huge environmental impact. These ships dumps a lot of grey water into the ocean.
@@IkajoIf you’re talking about cruise ships: don’t they filter the water first BEFORE dumping it back in the ocean? Black AND Grey included?
@@GarycooperEli They are supposed to. Doesn't mean they actually do it. Cheaper for them to not do that.
@@Ikajo But isn’t the system automated? They have literal course strainers filtering black water that’s supposed to be cleaned by workers who get payed for cleaning them in the first place. Idk how they can stop the black and grey water from being flushing into the tanks inside the cruise ship before it gets filtered. Ngl I actually like this conversation👍
My family took the SS France (3:53) from NYC to Southampton in June of 1970. I was pretty small but remember some very specific parts. Taking an escalator down into the dining room and seeing the chandelier come into view as we descended. And a huge playground - or at least it seemed huge to a kid!
I've done many travels alone, or for work or together with my wife, arranged all by myself or ourselves, since i am not a fan of mass tourism. One holiday though we did take a cruise in the Arabian gulf because i wsnted to show my wife the middle east after i had been there many times for work. And to avoid having to do several difficult border crissings by car (into and out of KSA for example) we decided that the only viable way to do that holiday was a cruise.
And much to my surprise i actually really loved it. It was so much fun to be on that ship. And it was actually quite possible to avoid the masses if we wanted to. Plus the stops in the several cities where we stopped to explore them really helped to be away from the masses of the ship for a bit.
So i would definitely do another cruise holiday one day.
HMMMM! Logical progression. And festinating lore. Carry on Number 1. 😁😁👍👍
More people mean lower quality of life. This applies to large cruise ships. Imagine how much 7000 passengers degrade a port experience.
I love the look of the old time ocean liners!
Today I made tacos!
I was just on that boat a few weeks ago. I wonder when they filmed the footage for this video
I’ve been on 32 cruises now i absolutely love them best vacation money can buy!! And RC’s Voyager, Freedom and Oasis class ships are amazing!!
always interesting topics from Vox!!!
I only disagree with that statement about: How we miss the old timey ships interior design styles and that people in the future will say they miss the designs from the 2020's. (I disagree. I think we are in a era that desperately needs reinvigorated creativity and passion to it's design and approach)
This was so well made!
I just don’t understand why people want to pay MORE money to enjoy all the things you can already get on land with the bonus feature of possibly drowning
i love the black pearl
A floating amusement park with 4999 strangers for weeks in the middle of the ocean. I'm good, thanks
Well you can just ignore the 5000 other passengers, can't you?
What is that dreamy sound all the way at the end. I love it!
the beginnings of a stoke
@@toolbaggers Thanks!! :)
Did you find it? I couldn't
Could not pay me to set foot on one of those floating malls/ petri dishes. Also passenger liners of 100 years ago were more akin to a cross ocean flight than a cruse. Ocean liners go A to B where as cruse ships wander around.
Fascinating
Funny how with everything there is to a modern cruise ship, the only one I'd want to sail on these days is the Queen Mary 2.
+1 on that
Yeah! I am an American citizen but live in Europe and I would love to travel back to the US that way one time.
First ride the train to Southampton. I have taken the train from where I live to Scotland before and it was a lot of fun.
And then ride Amtrak in the states if it's possible. I did it before and it was nice also, but it was 10 years ago and I've heard it's gotten worse since then.
Ocean liner fans explaining how qm2 is better than any other cruise ship (she is just a cruise ship with a black hull)
@@Gearing-s8q she is built like a ocean liner not a cruise ship, more old fashioned, faster can can go through the sea better
@@Gearing-s8q QM2 is definitely not just a cruise ship with a black hull. She is literally constructed and engineered differently, she can handle worse weather than cruise ships can and she can outrun them in a race as well.
6:32 more like Monstrosity of the Seas 😂
The Titanic is an ocean liner, not a cruise ship. Each type serves a different purpose.
Exactly
Cruise ships are pretty much small cities on water, and honestly, I love it
I want to hear more about port restrictions. I've heard some rumbling that some big ships won't be able to get under the Lions Gate Bridge to Vancouver in the future. I bet there are all kinds of interesting facts about port specifics that have changed geography, demographics, and industries like cruise ships.
concise, interesting, great video thanks!
In my opinion, the SS Normandie and SS United States were the best-looking passenger vessels to ever ply the seas. Modern cruise ships often look bloated and excessive.
Nope. SS Imperator all the way
@@MaticTheProto I just looked it up, and it is definitely the best-looking "classic-style" oceanliner. But the SS Normandie still takes the cake for me.
Ocean liner fans when they see any other cruise ship but a Cunard one
@@Gearing-s8q but it’s true though and the Cunard ones aren’t that pretty either
I personally prefer the RMS Aquitania, even though she’s not around anymore.
When my dad was a kid he sailed on all the liners. He said his favorites were the French line and Italian Line because of the food was just the best. He liked Cunard but wasn’t his favorite. I’ve sailed on the QE2 and QM2 and they are truly the last true liners. Dinner you have to wear a jacket in the restaurant and it does have a lot of amenities but not like the cruise ships. It’s not as flashy and is an enjoyable experience
I still don't get what the draw is. It's basically a city but more expensive and your room is tiny. Why not just, I don't know, visit a city?
A friend of mine was having his house renovated and he needed somewhere to live for three months. It turned out that spending the time on a cruise ship with all meals included was cheaper than renting a small apartment in Melbourne that was the same size as the room on a ship.
yeah, being stuck in a mall for weeks... with strangers... only to get off to visit places for what? half a day?
Seems like a nightmare, and you won't even get to know the countries/places you visit.
Literally destroying the earth with these monstrosities
Never found cruise ships inviting. It's quite scary, to be honest. Also, if a crime happens, be prepared to never find justice or have a horrible time working with the required authorities because there really isn't one.
Icon of the Seas is big enough you could probably make a zombie movie that is entirely set on it
Some of the Mega Cruise Ships looks like very top heavy.
Makes me wonder how they don't easily capsize.
Two words:
Massive. Keels.
They have all kinds of the to make sure it doesn't happen
I guess the bow and the superstructures in Cruises are in a monoque configuration, they may be more stable than the older ships then.
@johndavidson3424 I don't know about that, I do know they have stabilizers which is why you can barely feel the ship rock
@thePronto hit rocks that tore a hole in the hull..
ENOUGH!!! My ship sails in the Morning! I wonder what's for Dinner....
A EXTREMELY important thing to note is that the chart given at 2:38 is a log (logarithmic) scale.
Notice that it’s the same height from 100,000 to 1,000,000 passengers as from 1,000,000 to 10,000,000 passengers.
Which is kind of disingenuous.
If this had been to actual 1:1 scale that we’re all familiar with, the divergence would be VASTLY more dramatic.
Like, a near vertical upward spike for air travel.
The idea of traveling in these big ships looking like cakes is so unappealing. Queen Mary 2 is in my bucket list, she’s big, but with a certain charisma. Even when she’s docked next to these bigger cruises that came after her, she will always stand out.
Just as the world is becoming more turbulent and with an unstable climate, cost of living rising etc the Icon of the Seas seems so far from what we really should be doing.
But i guess im a spoil sport!
ever since the first person who had idea to stylize interior of the ship into a hotel
ships started turning into entire vegas strips
now we have giant theme parks that would take 6 separate cruises to actually be everywhere and see everything
and it's so freaking expensive nobody wants to do it more than once
6:43 lok at this
LOOK AT THIS
this is what's called overabundance
water park with slides, that thing for surfing, same floor different side, jaccuzi, are those gaint sofas?
bottom of the structure - anotehr water park?
and that's just one picture
it's a complete overload
great video, I worked on ships in the 90's and I was lucky not to work on the Norway. I would recommend a cruise but find the smallest ship you can afford and one that actually goes places. Why would you get on a ship that parked itself off the coast, doesnt rock , and you eat in shifts. Its like being locked in a hotel for a week.