how could someone kill the outsiders? he was killed into the void when he was a child, and then trapped for 4k years, forcing him to see and know what people do in all that time. its just torture. i choose to free him
@@clockworkNate Yeah I just bought the game and thinking to myself I bloody hope they don't somehow ruin the character... Then again I know nothing of him and would only be projecting my own conscious onto him... But still yeah... It would suck to witness and watch all of mankind.... It would be torture seeing how pathetic everyone treats each other. Imagine if there was a being in our world watching us all the time and not just watching but experiencing us all the time... Fuck that... I'd become a mad God probably even a wrathful god.
Fun fact: The outsider was inspired by a short story called "The ones who walk away from Omelas" About a utopia city, but to keep the city happy and stable they have to lock a child up there whole lives.
"Lock a child up THEIR whole lives". Grammar is important and so are pronouns. It makes the different between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit. Please educate yourself in the proper use of the words "there" "their" and "they're". Words have power so it is important we learn how to use them...
@@mancamiatipoolaThey know how to use words otherwise they wouldn’t be speaking. It was just a simple fucking grammatical error, so get off your high horse and do something productive with your life instead of correcting random strangers grammar online💀
Interesting how the Outsider is to me (an uninteresting person) the most interesting character in the game, while being interested in interesting people.
The outsider prefers Low Chaos because it's far more interesting when someone who has power that they can abuse chooses not to, while also denying their desire for revenge in favor for justice. Not because he actually cares about the loss of human life.
I haven't even finished the death of the outsider yet so I am saving this vid.... Though to me it sounds like he must have died due to power hungry or fucked up cultists? Or did they actually have a reason?
@@ghosteddenial9538 the void influenced the cultists because it wanted a representative since the previous void god had somehow died. I don't think they expected there to be any personal gain, they'd been completely brainwashed by the void.
He also seemed genuinely reinterested in corvo and heavily interested in emily if you decline his mark…so in essence he likes out of the box individuals who are willing to go against the grain
all-seeing is not all-knowing while he might SEE someone is buying a sword he doesn't know the WHY of why they're buying it(e.g. protection, murder, mantlepiece dressing whatever) think Omnipresence is the word your looking for
@@theirishviking9278 but he saw everything in that person's life up to that point, along with everyone and everything he interacted with and so on, so he can make some pretty damn good educated guesses. Plus he's been around for a few thousand years so he's got a pretty good read on human behavior.
@@mysticwizard1943 not arguing that but there are always multiple ways that it could go and its why he's always surprised on how things turn out if you do a low chaos run while the general person would probably go a bit mad with power canonically the player doesn't and the outside is always somewhat surprised by this while he has seen everything to do with the various player characters life he is still surprised by the outcome so why yes he does see everything he doesn't know why people do everything they do but yes a 4000-year-old raised mortal deity can make some pretty good educated guess(its actually probably why he's surprised on the low chaos runs he's had 4000 years of seeing people do the opposite)
@@theirishviking9278 Thats fair enough but I think youre missing why I made my initial comment in the first place, the dude who made the video says verbatim "the outsiders lack of omniscience" is why he can't determine the outcome of certain scenarios (or something to that effect, I havent watched this video in quite a while) but this just isn't true. Omniscience can be viewed as all-seeing OR all-knowing by definition, and they kind of go hand in hand, whereas omnipresence means simply being very common or being everywhere simultaneously, which the outsider also is. So your definition isn't really right either. The outsider also outright says he holds domain over the mind and dreams, and yet he can't tell what someone is going to do when it matters? I think the outsider IS all-knowing and all-seeing, even into peoples minds, but he's selective about what he chooses to 'listen' to so that he has a form of entertainment. Him being surprised isn't because he couldn't know, he just chose not to peer into Corvo or Emily or Daud or Billy's minds so that he could watch, for lack of a better term, spoiler-free. What's actually going on with him is up to interpretation but this is how I see it from the evidence surrounding him and the Void, as well as things he straight up tells you. He tells you that he sees everything, omniscience, he tells you he feels everything, omnipresence, he tells you the mindsets and motivations of certain characters (as well as granting powers over the mind). The only reason he's ever surprised by the player's actions is because he is choosing to only observe their actions and experience the psyche of everyone but them. Alternatively, he could be lying the whole time and know exactly what the player was going to do before they did it but acts surprised as a form of encouragement to keep the entertainment coming, theres really no way to know and is up to each player to decide.
If he was actually omniscient, why would he be so curious about humans or surprised when Corvo doesn't turn into a vengeful mass murderer and spare targets?
From the descriptions of the Void through the games, it sounds like a metaphysical concept that exists in our minds made manifest, which is why it has structures that represent the character's perspective or recent events. It would also explain the fact that the Outsider is known to appear in dreams, something that exists in our minds. It also just sounds like a metaphor for the void inside all of us, that knows who we are and watches from the inside. Just a completely hypothetical take I thought was fun to think about
The void was created by the death of a god very ancient one that existed before our universe that god decayed and from decaying he created the void so while decaying our universe was born and the decaying matter was latter found by humans and they couldn't explain the property of this matter but they studied and learned so much so they sacrifice the boy so he could be able to control the matter from within but as the Outsider said that the void in this state wont last forever and that the void was never meant to be used anyway!
The Outsider is sort of like Doctor Strange regarding seeing the future. In Dishonored 1 he said there are many outcomes and he is wondering what outcome will Corvo choose. So he knows every possible way of the future to be fulfilled but he does not know what it will be exactly.
I think he's in a way like us, if we gave like, idk our little siblings dishonred and said: play. We, too would know (if you're a nerd like me) every single possible outcome, dialogue, easter egg, etc. and we'd probably be curious to see how our siblings handle things. And tbh, now that i'm imagining this, i think it would be cool to see someone else play and maybe go high chaos and do creative stuff, but it would get very boring very quickly and all of a sudden, it would be way more interesting if somewhere along the way, the person we're observing... stops killing and finds alternative routes. That would make us go like... oh ? He's discovered this route? That's interesting, let's see where it goes....
Just to be clear low chaos does not mean clean hands. Corvo 100% killed some and spared some. We know The High Overseer was branded, but corvo totally butchered his way through the golden cat due to the fact that they knew Emily was about to be moved and would want to act with haste. And so on. Lord Regent and the Executioner are Canonically killed. Meaning Burrows probably flees to the dungeon and corvo confronts both after broadcasting his message. And Havelock is confirmed dead. Either by suicide or fighting to the death.
He also rips out tongues and things like that so yeah he's not like innocent in the least it's just not bodies piled up in the streets where ever he has existed.
The weirdest part about the outsider is the fact that despite dying thousands of years ago he wears the same style of clothing as people in modern dunwall do What has fashion just not changed for literal millennia in the dishonored universe?
I like to think the Outsider’s form is slightly different based on who is viewing him. Not his whole appearance but smaller details that make him more recognisable to people. Hence wearing more “modern” clothing.
I think that it is implied the Void is populated by the interpretation of each character that visits it. And so when Corvo visits it, he sees the Outsider with the black leather coat because that is what his interpretation of a being in that situation would be. This is why in D2 the void and the Outsider look different. They are viewed by different characters. I like this explanation a lot and it makes sense. Our minds are the creators of infinite universes and the only limit is our imagination.
As a note- you may not outright kill your targets, but 99% of the time, those are fates worse than death. It's definitely not better than a clean kill- a lot of the targets end up with fates like 'sent to a silver mine, tongue ripped out' or 'given to creepy, rapey stranger'.
Oh man, I literally just did that half an hour ago. But then you have to remember it’s karmic justice. A cruel fate but not more than their former mine workers. Then again, if someone wanted to cut my tongue out my last words would be ‚just shoot me in the face‘.
It’s not like they don’t deserve it tho, my first play through I did all the non kill options cause they seemed worse than death. Except for havelock fuck that guy
What gets me is the fact that if he had never given Daud his mark way back when, Daud never would of killed the Empress and then the outsider would of never given the mark to Corvo and so on with Emily, whether or not that was his intention, or just pure coincidence that he started a domino effect makes him even more eerie.
Or perhaps he is like Loki - a tricky, mischievous god being. He says that only 8 people wear the mark, but 4 of them are in Dunwal, so the rest of that world must be extremely boring since he prefers to meddle in the destinies of people living on a small island... Perhaps he takes an interest in Dunwal because that city has some meaning to him from his past life 4000 years ago. He seems to direct the players to saving the city from the rat plague by helping out the ruler of that city in a few different ways. Or perhaps he feels responsible for the plague, because it was people that came in contact with him that eventually brought the plague from the eastern continent to the islands. What is very clear though is that he influences several people to help out Emily in the long run. Which means he either has an interest in Emily or in the city of Dunwal itself...
So the void now longs for a new avatar? Will the void be pissed by the humans for taking away its avatar? Or will it give it's power to anyone and everyone randomly ? Will it leak out and engulf the world in everlasting darkness? Is the void kingdom heart ?
dude will live on as secret sage or smth with all knowledge and wisdom he gathered all those years as outsider. thats how i pictured it if we get another sequel to this series
Does Delilah become the next avatar then? Since Death of the Outsider operates under the assumption on the low chaos ending from Dishonored 2, Delilah should be trapped in the void. Trapped in the fantasy of her perfect world. So during Death of the Outsider, it could be said that there are two avatars and that could be why the Outsider urges Billie Lurke to find him. Because he knows whether Billie kills him or not, the void already has a replacement for him. Maybe that's why he gave Duad his mark. A long game plan to free himself from the void he had been trapped in.
They way I perceive it, the Void kinda represent the power of Omnipresence and none of the other aspect of god, I based that on the power of the players that we assumed are his own too. The blink is self explain since it's a short ranged teleport, the time travel or time vision can be also easily associated to omnipresence. The possession is more tricky but I can still see it as an aspect of omnipresence if our mind is a space (And if we want to move around the world it is). Délila powers to rewrite reality through painting definitely is a form of omnipresence, and so are the shifting state of matter caused by the spells and bone charms (and would explained all the missup of it because no one understand how to properly applies the power since it kinda is not straightforward). Yes the Outsider isn't a full God but he definitely had some aspect of one. Another aspect that goes with my theory is how Billy perceive void disturbance throughout Karnaka and we have heavily implied clue from the Eyesless that it was Délila resurrection that had caused it. Meaning that void magic 'breaks' reality and the Outsider might try to avoid that ence all his 'restrain' acts. It also ties to his distastes to Délila (for her utter lack of concerns about anything but her twisted visions) and other cultes he didn't really bless such as the Eyeless who wouldn't be responsible enough for such consequences. My last theory to explain his action is he might had tried to create the situation of Death to the Outsider where somebody is determined to put an end to his plight and hopefully not take his place nor leaving anyone with the means to do so. The eyeless don't know how to create another Outsider and they are the one with the most clues for that. It would explain why he marked both Daud and Corvo despite the conflicting allegiances because their impacts had mold the world around them to weaken dangerous groups and render them inept to commune with the void without an Outsider to help. but i might be stretching a bit there. What you make of those tidbit of theories on the Outsider?
I honestly feel like death of the outsider both is a bad ending and ruins the possibility of more stories. There's no evidence that it's possible to create another outsider. Only because it's implied that the rituals that created him were lost to time
the void will always crave a new godlike representative gods in the Dishonored universe rise and fall in a cycle and eventually after the outsider their will be another
no evidence you played the evidence billie is the next outsider or is the key for it because she has still the eye the hand and the sword plus the cult is still out their with the knowledge of the void and outsider. The Studios pick always the low chaos route for the lore so corve emily is still out their too. Maybe the lore continues with billie or billie will be the reason for the next dishonored and not to mention Delilahs death and resurection could happen again she managed to become a part of the outsider which she failed theres so much potential for the next game but if they pull it it think dishonored is closed case for the developers..
What I think would be interesting would that 1. It is possible to create a new outsider and 2. Do to our Outsider no longer being the outsider, all his marks are useless and are just tattoos now, wonder how Corvo and Emily are doing
Actualy if you think about it a entity thts omnipitent will see every possible future making it impossible to know 100% which one will come true so id say he is acuratly omnipitent
Near as I can tell, the outsider isn’t necessarily neutral because he’s in the middle, but rather because because he’s on both extremes. At least in the first game, the outsider is pleasantly surprised by either extreme. Yes he’s happy when you achieve the low chaos ending, and yes it seems that he only tolerates the high chaos ending, but in the lesser known third ending (I’ve heard it called total chaos) wherein Emily dies, the first thing he says is “I don’t know about you corvo, but I’ve had a lovely time” he just wants to see history change and witness human nature. I think it’s a very believable position for a 4000 year old demigod who learned everything ever as a mortal child
Yeah I believe in Total Chaos, the empire falls after Emily's death and the rat plague spreads taking over the entire island kinda thing, makes sense he would be very entertained by something like that
Could the change in the voids appearance be related to the pollution of the oceans? After all, there are strong oceanic themes to the void (theres even whale ambience) and in D2, theres an explosion of industry. Heavy machinery and overfishing are everywhere, significantly more prominent than in D1 and we see severely polluted waters and whale carcasses presented throughout D2. Since the void reflects reality and seems strongly ocean themed, I thought there'd be a connection
As far as billie didn't he forcibly just return her to the original state, because Before she had no arm, no eye but after The time relapse and change she had both her arm and eye back, couldn't that be the case. -can't recall exactly what his motive was at that time but only that he was 'regifting' what she lost. I only figured it was then void-touched because of it being essentially torn between 2 realms given it's decomposed nature etc. Or did i completely just imagine a whole story element
I realized something notice how in dishonored 1 there are way less powers and enhancements than 2 does that mean that the void is slowly seeping in the world since the void is the source of magic why is this happening is it because of people making shrines and bonecharms ? Is the outsider purposely setting the void into the world ? Or is something more sinister happening here ? Or am i over thinking this ?
I believe that Billie will be the next avatar for the void. She wants nothing to do with the void, is trying to change her ways, only to be sucked in to the old life and doing things differently. If we're talking about metaphysics, I think she is a great candidate
@@luizalves8071 "Downloadable content (DLC) is additional content created for an already released video game"... Theres no such thing as a Standalone DLC, its a spin-off
A completely omnipotent god is more of a modern idea that goes hand in hand with the emergence of a singular god as opposed to multiple or many gods. I’ve actually studied this concept in some detail and have really only found one set of unified details in religion that sets a god aside from mortals across cultures and history, and that’s an indefinite lifespan and no need to procreate. Most gods that humans have worshiped through our history are minor compared to the concepts we are working with today. They have need for sustenance, they can be harmed or destroyed, so on. They typically only represented rule over some small portion or aspect of reality.
There’s a few flaws here. If I remember correctly Delilah wasn’t marked by the outsider. How he put it, “Right up until the end I thought I'd find a way to escape. I fought but the ropes only cut my skin so I went limp. And then the knife touched my throat and I knew I'd waited too long. The blood ran out and I became a god. Now you know Delilah's secret. At the end of her days, she drifted through the Void and should have been lost forever. But her will and cunning are second to none. She found this place, the island in the Void where I became what I am. It changed her and she discovered a way to draw from it, tapping into the power here. Delilah is... a part of me now. And I don't like it.” So with this she had found her way in the void finding the place where he became a god.
If you played the first games dlc you will know that Delilah was indeed marked by the outsider and she cross path with Daud and in the end of the dlc daud trapped her in the void and that’s how she found the place where the outsider was made while she was roaming in the void.
I think you have a bit wrong about this. The outsider in my opinion cant just pull anyone into the void. Each time he hands out power, he does so from a dream. People who have recieved his power can seemingly be called by him, but other people, like Piero who isnt gifted powers, is instead gifted knowledge through dreams. I feel like you need to be marked to be called at any moment. Either that, or you need to be around a place of worship for the outsider, something piero never had. Also since some powers seem to manipulate time, i feel like him calling you to the void, would be him stopping time in the real world, while he pulls your mind into the void.
I really dislike the outsiders character change from 1 to 2, it makes no sense after thousands of years he all of a sudden starts feeling and wanting to help? In the first game he gives his powers because he thinks it's fun to see what they do, a somewhat insidious god. His voice change makes sense with the personality change but the original made the most sense.
He changes personality and wants to help because of Delilah, he has said that he doesn’t like Delilah and that she is a part of him so he’s helping do Delilah gets dealt with
@@brognis contrived? This character who's been a curious God for thousands of years becomes a caring person who wants you to change stuff for the better. He gave his powers to Delilah and never took them, he outright forces his power on Billie in death of the outsider. I'm just saying it's a rather drastic character shift with no in-between, we didn't see him gradually change through the series no he becomes a completely separate person in the sequels.
@@karmitdafruge1 he didn’t give his mark to Delilah, she got trapped in the void and connected herself to him and took his mark, I have never played D.O.T.O so I can’t speak on that however that story takes the low chaos ending of D2 which means that Delilah is still alive which would be why he acts the same
@@brognis why does her being in the void change him, he doesn't change when corvo or daud are there, sorry I know you said you haven't played doto but I think it's relevant. He is stuck in there for a while though im not sure how long, obviously considering the name you can kill the outsider or you can spare him and just undo the ritual that turned him into the outsider. I just think the games following dishonored 1 made him too human regardless if Delilah was there. He gave corvo, Emily, daud and Billie his mark because he thought it would be interesting, not because he thought they would do good with it. You always have choices in the games to do the bad things and some kills are Canon like the brothers and Campbell. I'm not sure if there are any kills in 2 though I could see it since it's impossible to make a Canon story giving it being two different characters.
@@karmitdafruge1 I see the point your making and I fully agree that he has a drastic character change but Delilah being in the void was because she got banished there when she was a witch, then she found the site where the outsider was turned into the outsider and she took some of his power to give to herself making her a part of him which he didn’t like so that’s why he acts so much different
I think the outsider isnt interested in people who specifically will have an effect on the world I think he finds people like him who were either nobodys or people in the lowest point of their life with the potential to do things with massive repercussions
I have a feeling if the outsider is slain that doud will take his place as the void wants a representative and well his spirit is just standing there doing nothing.
I think Delilah will take his place as the avatar. If you follow the low chaos ending of Dishonored 2, which Death of the Outsider does, then she is currently trapped in the void already. And given how cleaver she is, I'd imagine that she would eventually notice the voids whisper and how her days never end. It would only be a matter of time before she realized and started peeking into the real world again, by which time millennium could have passed.
gods can be killed. in the greek myths they killed all the titans which were gods and in viking mythology the ice giants killed the first ice giant which was also a god.
The summons fro final fantasy arent really gods , they are being which reside in the world just as human below the celestials who probably created the world as we know it. Thats one of the reasons Ardyn calls them false gods after obtaining their memories they use their superiority to manipulate an kind in a way they seem fight and they can be killed or subjugated as Ardyn did.
Talking possibilities of a future Void avatar, I personally think Billie is the closest person as she is EXTREMELY void touched. Her being as touched by the void (not go to mention all she had learned & then also as being a whaler) as she is makes me feel like she’s “currently” the closest Outsider. Disclaimer: not saying I think there would ever be a game with her in such a position
& no, the void is blank canvas & no the source of all magic is from what moves all & speaks for all & no the void does not crave an avatar just the artworld it made & not so much the artform & artface it made & wore like armor & masks..
Apparently the original voice actor was a bitch to work with. I love the original VA for the outsider but honestly i like the new one and i feel like the second voice actor was able to show more emotion as the character better than the original
I loved the outsider when he was an ageless mysterious leviathan god thing from a parallel dimension, that just took the form of a person cause he thought it was funny to mess with people. but making him a human with a generic tragic backstory is just so boring, it killed all my interest. such a shame they reconnected him from the first game
I think Freddie fucking Fazbear would be a better deity and less cringe as an unnecessary ultracontrived lovecraftian lore than the Outsider. They where just cramming as much shit in there as possible. Even Hideo Kojima would find it impossible to suspend disbelief in the goth twink Gorillaz nuwave softcell cover band front man that is the Outsider.
I feel like if we get Dishonored 3 he'll make a cameo as an NPC just woundering about. Maybe he'll be a street sweeper.
The death of the outsider.
Swine Stein have you played it yet?
Yes sir. Death of the Outsider. Kill him or spare him.
Swine Stein and far as I can tell the goods/ non-violent endings are for the most part canon. So I assume he’s canonical spared.
You can him or spare him. Depends on the player. But its more logical to spare him as the game progress.
how could someone kill the outsiders? he was killed into the void when he was a child, and then trapped for 4k years, forcing him to see and know what people do in all that time. its just torture. i choose to free him
Yeah, it’s just natural that the god of the Void dies one way or another, and then is replaced
I decided that’s what Billie would have done, because I was playing a very bloodthirsty playthrough. Ethically though it seems best to save him
I think either freeing or killing him is no better than what the cult did to him pull him into a place where doesnt want to be
I didn't buy death of the outsider just because I love the outsider so much. He's just...awesome.
@@clockworkNate
Yeah I just bought the game and thinking to myself I bloody hope they don't somehow ruin the character... Then again I know nothing of him and would only be projecting my own conscious onto him... But still yeah... It would suck to witness and watch all of mankind.... It would be torture seeing how pathetic everyone treats each other. Imagine if there was a being in our world watching us all the time and not just watching but experiencing us all the time... Fuck that... I'd become a mad God probably even a wrathful god.
Fun fact: The outsider was inspired by a short story called "The ones who walk away from Omelas" About a utopia city, but to keep the city happy and stable they have to lock a child up there whole lives.
That was written by Ursula K Le Guin. I love her work ❤
"Lock a child up THEIR whole lives". Grammar is important and so are pronouns. It makes the different between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit. Please educate yourself in the proper use of the words "there" "their" and "they're". Words have power so it is important we learn how to use them...
@@mancamiatipoolaThey know how to use words otherwise they wouldn’t be speaking. It was just a simple fucking grammatical error, so get off your high horse and do something productive with your life instead of correcting random strangers grammar online💀
Interesting how the Outsider is to me (an uninteresting person) the most interesting character in the game, while being interested in interesting people.
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Thanks for your interesting comment
Thats actually pretty interesting
The outsider prefers Low Chaos because it's far more interesting when someone who has power that they can abuse chooses not to, while also denying their desire for revenge in favor for justice. Not because he actually cares about the loss of human life.
I haven't even finished the death of the outsider yet so I am saving this vid.... Though to me it sounds like he must have died due to power hungry or fucked up cultists? Or did they actually have a reason?
@@ghosteddenial9538 the void influenced the cultists because it wanted a representative since the previous void god had somehow died. I don't think they expected there to be any personal gain, they'd been completely brainwashed by the void.
@@jonastrosch Sheesh..... Zealots much... I look forward for learning more about the outsider
He also seemed genuinely reinterested in corvo and heavily interested in emily if you decline his mark…so in essence he likes out of the box individuals who are willing to go against the grain
Lack of omniscience? Dude he literally tells you that he sees everything, everywhere.
all-seeing is not all-knowing
while he might SEE someone is buying a sword he doesn't know the WHY of why they're buying it(e.g. protection, murder, mantlepiece dressing whatever)
think Omnipresence is the word your looking for
@@theirishviking9278 but he saw everything in that person's life up to that point, along with everyone and everything he interacted with and so on, so he can make some pretty damn good educated guesses. Plus he's been around for a few thousand years so he's got a pretty good read on human behavior.
@@mysticwizard1943 not arguing that
but there are always multiple ways that it could go and its why he's always surprised on how things turn out if you do a low chaos run
while the general person would probably go a bit mad with power canonically the player doesn't and the outside is always somewhat surprised by this while he has seen everything to do with the various player characters life he is still surprised by the outcome
so why yes he does see everything he doesn't know why people do everything they do
but yes a 4000-year-old raised mortal deity can make some pretty good educated guess(its actually probably why he's surprised on the low chaos runs he's had 4000 years of seeing people do the opposite)
@@theirishviking9278 Thats fair enough but I think youre missing why I made my initial comment in the first place, the dude who made the video says verbatim "the outsiders lack of omniscience" is why he can't determine the outcome of certain scenarios (or something to that effect, I havent watched this video in quite a while) but this just isn't true. Omniscience can be viewed as all-seeing OR all-knowing by definition, and they kind of go hand in hand, whereas omnipresence means simply being very common or being everywhere simultaneously, which the outsider also is. So your definition isn't really right either. The outsider also outright says he holds domain over the mind and dreams, and yet he can't tell what someone is going to do when it matters? I think the outsider IS all-knowing and all-seeing, even into peoples minds, but he's selective about what he chooses to 'listen' to so that he has a form of entertainment. Him being surprised isn't because he couldn't know, he just chose not to peer into Corvo or Emily or Daud or Billy's minds so that he could watch, for lack of a better term, spoiler-free. What's actually going on with him is up to interpretation but this is how I see it from the evidence surrounding him and the Void, as well as things he straight up tells you. He tells you that he sees everything, omniscience, he tells you he feels everything, omnipresence, he tells you the mindsets and motivations of certain characters (as well as granting powers over the mind). The only reason he's ever surprised by the player's actions is because he is choosing to only observe their actions and experience the psyche of everyone but them. Alternatively, he could be lying the whole time and know exactly what the player was going to do before they did it but acts surprised as a form of encouragement to keep the entertainment coming, theres really no way to know and is up to each player to decide.
If he was actually omniscient, why would he be so curious about humans or surprised when Corvo doesn't turn into a vengeful mass murderer and spare targets?
Dishonored has some of he best lore I've ever found in a video game series - or anywhere, really. Thank you so much for this!
From the descriptions of the Void through the games, it sounds like a metaphysical concept that exists in our minds made manifest, which is why it has structures that represent the character's perspective or recent events. It would also explain the fact that the Outsider is known to appear in dreams, something that exists in our minds. It also just sounds like a metaphor for the void inside all of us, that knows who we are and watches from the inside. Just a completely hypothetical take I thought was fun to think about
The void was created by the death of a god very ancient one that existed before our universe that god decayed and from decaying he created the void so while decaying our universe was born and the decaying matter was latter found by humans and they couldn't explain the property of this matter but they studied and learned so much so they sacrifice the boy so he could be able to control the matter from within but as the Outsider said that the void in this state wont last forever and that the void was never meant to be used anyway!
The Outsider is sort of like Doctor Strange regarding seeing the future. In Dishonored 1 he said there are many outcomes and he is wondering what outcome will Corvo choose. So he knows every possible way of the future to be fulfilled but he does not know what it will be exactly.
I think he's in a way like us, if we gave like, idk our little siblings dishonred and said: play. We, too would know (if you're a nerd like me) every single possible outcome, dialogue, easter egg, etc. and we'd probably be curious to see how our siblings handle things. And tbh, now that i'm imagining this, i think it would be cool to see someone else play and maybe go high chaos and do creative stuff, but it would get very boring very quickly and all of a sudden, it would be way more interesting if somewhere along the way, the person we're observing... stops killing and finds alternative routes. That would make us go like... oh ? He's discovered this route? That's interesting, let's see where it goes....
Just to be clear low chaos does not mean clean hands.
Corvo 100% killed some and spared some. We know The High Overseer was branded, but corvo totally butchered his way through the golden cat due to the fact that they knew Emily was about to be moved and would want to act with haste.
And so on. Lord Regent and the Executioner are Canonically killed. Meaning Burrows probably flees to the dungeon and corvo confronts both after broadcasting his message.
And Havelock is confirmed dead. Either by suicide or fighting to the death.
He also rips out tongues and things like that so yeah he's not like innocent in the least it's just not bodies piled up in the streets where ever he has existed.
wait WHAT tounges
He doesn't rip out anyones tongue. Slackjaw or his gang does. It's the final result of the nonlethal path for the twins.
@@goth11223 which canonicay he didnt choose that option
The weirdest part about the outsider is the fact that despite dying thousands of years ago he wears the same style of clothing as people in modern dunwall do
What has fashion just not changed for literal millennia in the dishonored universe?
I like to think the Outsider’s form is slightly different based on who is viewing him. Not his whole appearance but smaller details that make him more recognisable to people. Hence wearing more “modern” clothing.
Hes bored af, endlessly bored. He probably tries on clothes every couple hundred years
@@tillburr6799 yeah but like, his real body is frozen in stone and wears the same clothes as his avatar, does he like... dress his dead body too?
Bro got the dishonored drip
I think that it is implied the Void is populated by the interpretation of each character that visits it. And so when Corvo visits it, he sees the Outsider with the black leather coat because that is what his interpretation of a being in that situation would be. This is why in D2 the void and the Outsider look different. They are viewed by different characters. I like this explanation a lot and it makes sense. Our minds are the creators of infinite universes and the only limit is our imagination.
I really love ur video. The outsider is one of the biggest underrated characters in video games
No he isn't, he doesn't have any character
He is I thought everybody liked him or u love this guy he seems cool
As a note- you may not outright kill your targets, but 99% of the time, those are fates worse than death. It's definitely not better than a clean kill- a lot of the targets end up with fates like 'sent to a silver mine, tongue ripped out' or 'given to creepy, rapey stranger'.
Ya that last one... Tarren was doing a ghost/no kill run and that... that one was like... ya this is definitely the worst thing I've done today.
Oh man, I literally just did that half an hour ago.
But then you have to remember it’s karmic justice. A cruel fate but not more than their former mine workers. Then again, if someone wanted to cut my tongue out my last words would be ‚just shoot me in the face‘.
It’s not like they don’t deserve it tho, my first play through I did all the non kill options cause they seemed worse than death. Except for havelock fuck that guy
That super monotheistic outlook on story telling is neat 2:45
What gets me is the fact that if he had never given Daud his mark way back when, Daud never would of killed the Empress and then the outsider would of never given the mark to Corvo and so on with Emily, whether or not that was his intention, or just pure coincidence that he started a domino effect makes him even more eerie.
almost reminds be of Gaunter O'Dimm from Withcher 3
Yeah like as if he was playing at writing history. I thought that myself when I first played number 2.
Or perhaps he is like Loki - a tricky, mischievous god being. He says that only 8 people wear the mark, but 4 of them are in Dunwal, so the rest of that world must be extremely boring since he prefers to meddle in the destinies of people living on a small island... Perhaps he takes an interest in Dunwal because that city has some meaning to him from his past life 4000 years ago. He seems to direct the players to saving the city from the rat plague by helping out the ruler of that city in a few different ways. Or perhaps he feels responsible for the plague, because it was people that came in contact with him that eventually brought the plague from the eastern continent to the islands.
What is very clear though is that he influences several people to help out Emily in the long run. Which means he either has an interest in Emily or in the city of Dunwal itself...
So the void now longs for a new avatar? Will the void be pissed by the humans for taking away its avatar? Or will it give it's power to anyone and everyone randomly ? Will it leak out and engulf the world in everlasting darkness? Is the void kingdom heart ?
Presumably it doesn't get mad, since this happened before, in regards to every other question you raise, no idea? lol
dude will live on as secret sage or smth with all knowledge and wisdom he gathered all those years as outsider. thats how i pictured it if we get another sequel to this series
Does Delilah become the next avatar then?
Since Death of the Outsider operates under the assumption on the low chaos ending from Dishonored 2, Delilah should be trapped in the void. Trapped in the fantasy of her perfect world.
So during Death of the Outsider, it could be said that there are two avatars and that could be why the Outsider urges Billie Lurke to find him. Because he knows whether Billie kills him or not, the void already has a replacement for him. Maybe that's why he gave Duad his mark. A long game plan to free himself from the void he had been trapped in.
They way I perceive it, the Void kinda represent the power of Omnipresence and none of the other aspect of god, I based that on the power of the players that we assumed are his own too. The blink is self explain since it's a short ranged teleport, the time travel or time vision can be also easily associated to omnipresence. The possession is more tricky but I can still see it as an aspect of omnipresence if our mind is a space (And if we want to move around the world it is). Délila powers to rewrite reality through painting definitely is a form of omnipresence, and so are the shifting state of matter caused by the spells and bone charms (and would explained all the missup of it because no one understand how to properly applies the power since it kinda is not straightforward). Yes the Outsider isn't a full God but he definitely had some aspect of one.
Another aspect that goes with my theory is how Billy perceive void disturbance throughout Karnaka and we have heavily implied clue from the Eyesless that it was Délila resurrection that had caused it. Meaning that void magic 'breaks' reality and the Outsider might try to avoid that ence all his 'restrain' acts. It also ties to his distastes to Délila (for her utter lack of concerns about anything but her twisted visions) and other cultes he didn't really bless such as the Eyeless who wouldn't be responsible enough for such consequences.
My last theory to explain his action is he might had tried to create the situation of Death to the Outsider where somebody is determined to put an end to his plight and hopefully not take his place nor leaving anyone with the means to do so. The eyeless don't know how to create another Outsider and they are the one with the most clues for that. It would explain why he marked both Daud and Corvo despite the conflicting allegiances because their impacts had mold the world around them to weaken dangerous groups and render them inept to commune with the void without an Outsider to help. but i might be stretching a bit there.
What you make of those tidbit of theories on the Outsider?
I honestly feel like death of the outsider both is a bad ending and ruins the possibility of more stories. There's no evidence that it's possible to create another outsider. Only because it's implied that the rituals that created him were lost to time
the void will always crave a new godlike representative gods in the Dishonored universe rise and fall in a cycle and eventually after the outsider their will be another
no evidence you played the evidence billie is the next outsider or is the key for it because she has still the eye the hand and the sword plus the cult is still out their with the knowledge of the void and outsider. The Studios pick always the low chaos route for the lore so corve emily is still out their too. Maybe the lore continues with billie or billie will be the reason for the next dishonored and not to mention Delilahs death and resurection could happen again she managed to become a part of the outsider which she failed theres so much potential for the next game but if they pull it it think dishonored is closed case for the developers..
What I think would be interesting would that 1. It is possible to create a new outsider and 2. Do to our Outsider no longer being the outsider, all his marks are useless and are just tattoos now, wonder how Corvo and Emily are doing
Not to mention how good of a character the outsider is and it will probably be tricky to find a replacement.
Oh, now I feel a calling to play again...
Actualy if you think about it a entity thts omnipitent will see every possible future making it impossible to know 100% which one will come true so id say he is acuratly omnipitent
Facts
Near as I can tell, the outsider isn’t necessarily neutral because he’s in the middle, but rather because because he’s on both extremes. At least in the first game, the outsider is pleasantly surprised by either extreme. Yes he’s happy when you achieve the low chaos ending, and yes it seems that he only tolerates the high chaos ending, but in the lesser known third ending (I’ve heard it called total chaos) wherein Emily dies, the first thing he says is “I don’t know about you corvo, but I’ve had a lovely time” he just wants to see history change and witness human nature. I think it’s a very believable position for a 4000 year old demigod who learned everything ever as a mortal child
Yeah I believe in Total Chaos, the empire falls after Emily's death and the rat plague spreads taking over the entire island kinda thing, makes sense he would be very entertained by something like that
Could the change in the voids appearance be related to the pollution of the oceans? After all, there are strong oceanic themes to the void (theres even whale ambience) and in D2, theres an explosion of industry. Heavy machinery and overfishing are everywhere, significantly more prominent than in D1 and we see severely polluted waters and whale carcasses presented throughout D2. Since the void reflects reality and seems strongly ocean themed, I thought there'd be a connection
If you look at Gods of the Ancient world, he definitely is one, as they were depicted as being much more human then the Christian God.
As far as billie didn't he forcibly just return her to the original state, because Before she had no arm, no eye but after The time relapse and change she had both her arm and eye back, couldn't that be the case. -can't recall exactly what his motive was at that time but only that he was 'regifting' what she lost. I only figured it was then void-touched because of it being essentially torn between 2 realms given it's decomposed nature etc.
Or did i completely just imagine a whole story element
Yeah the same reason in her game there's posters that have that time glitch, there was some kind of disparity between the timelines
I realized something notice how in dishonored 1 there are way less powers and enhancements than 2 does that mean that the void is slowly seeping in the world since the void is the source of magic why is this happening is it because of people making shrines and bonecharms ? Is the outsider purposely setting the void into the world ? Or is something more sinister happening here ?
Or am i over thinking this ?
That's actually a good question
Maybe it's a new game with more features
I believe that Billie will be the next avatar for the void. She wants nothing to do with the void, is trying to change her ways, only to be sucked in to the old life and doing things differently. If we're talking about metaphysics, I think she is a great candidate
Too bad she's dead
@@omnipotantsaibot5845 never stated in death of the outsider that she was
@@omnipotantsaibot5845 she died?? how do you know
@@imthemetalguy1 sorry for the late reply. In the Brigmore Witches DLC her fate is decided by your chaos level.
Death of the Outsider was not a DLC, it was its own standalone game
yeah but it was like something between it shorter but longer then a dlc
I trust you are familiar with the concept of standalone DLC
@@luizalves8071 "Downloadable content (DLC) is additional content created for an already released video game"... Theres no such thing as a Standalone DLC, its a spin-off
Actually Delilah mentions that the void is ever-changing. That is why it is different in the games.
you can still get low chaos if you kill teh targets, high chaos is prett much killing all the guards
Do a lore video about Kratos from God of War, please?
damn, no talk of granny rags
The 1 dislike was high overseer Campbell
A completely omnipotent god is more of a modern idea that goes hand in hand with the emergence of a singular god as opposed to multiple or many gods. I’ve actually studied this concept in some detail and have really only found one set of unified details in religion that sets a god aside from mortals across cultures and history, and that’s an indefinite lifespan and no need to procreate. Most gods that humans have worshiped through our history are minor compared to the concepts we are working with today. They have need for sustenance, they can be harmed or destroyed, so on. They typically only represented rule over some small portion or aspect of reality.
He's so handsome
Can you do a video on the weeping angels from Doctor who
All hail the outsider!🖤⚖️
He didnt give delilah power she found her own power within the void and returned to the real world
to me the outsiders is more omniscient being then omnipotent
Tbh, if there is ever dishonored 3, I bet the game's story is going to revolve around killing a new avatar...
11:19 "Simirlaly"? :-)
Good video btw
There’s a few flaws here. If I remember correctly Delilah wasn’t marked by the outsider. How he put it, “Right up until the end I thought I'd find a way to escape. I fought but the ropes only cut my skin so I went limp. And then the knife touched my throat and I knew I'd waited too long. The blood ran out and I became a god. Now you know Delilah's secret. At the end of her days, she drifted through the Void and should have been lost forever. But her will and cunning are second to none. She found this place, the island in the Void where I became what I am. It changed her and she discovered a way to draw from it, tapping into the power here. Delilah is... a part of me now. And I don't like it.” So with this she had found her way in the void finding the place where he became a god.
If you played the first games dlc you will know that Delilah was indeed marked by the outsider and she cross path with Daud and in the end of the dlc daud trapped her in the void and that’s how she found the place where the outsider was made while she was roaming in the void.
@@gibriel1000 god 3 months seems like a long time ago, funny enough since then I actually played those dlc’s and yeah you right XD
I think you have a bit wrong about this. The outsider in my opinion cant just pull anyone into the void. Each time he hands out power, he does so from a dream. People who have recieved his power can seemingly be called by him, but other people, like Piero who isnt gifted powers, is instead gifted knowledge through dreams. I feel like you need to be marked to be called at any moment. Either that, or you need to be around a place of worship for the outsider, something piero never had. Also since some powers seem to manipulate time, i feel like him calling you to the void, would be him stopping time in the real world, while he pulls your mind into the void.
I really dislike the outsiders character change from 1 to 2, it makes no sense after thousands of years he all of a sudden starts feeling and wanting to help? In the first game he gives his powers because he thinks it's fun to see what they do, a somewhat insidious god. His voice change makes sense with the personality change but the original made the most sense.
He changes personality and wants to help because of Delilah, he has said that he doesn’t like Delilah and that she is a part of him so he’s helping do Delilah gets dealt with
@@brognis contrived? This character who's been a curious God for thousands of years becomes a caring person who wants you to change stuff for the better.
He gave his powers to Delilah and never took them, he outright forces his power on Billie in death of the outsider.
I'm just saying it's a rather drastic character shift with no in-between, we didn't see him gradually change through the series no he becomes a completely separate person in the sequels.
@@karmitdafruge1 he didn’t give his mark to Delilah, she got trapped in the void and connected herself to him and took his mark, I have never played D.O.T.O so I can’t speak on that however that story takes the low chaos ending of D2 which means that Delilah is still alive which would be why he acts the same
@@brognis why does her being in the void change him, he doesn't change when corvo or daud are there, sorry I know you said you haven't played doto but I think it's relevant. He is stuck in there for a while though im not sure how long, obviously considering the name you can kill the outsider or you can spare him and just undo the ritual that turned him into the outsider.
I just think the games following dishonored 1 made him too human regardless if Delilah was there.
He gave corvo, Emily, daud and Billie his mark because he thought it would be interesting, not because he thought they would do good with it.
You always have choices in the games to do the bad things and some kills are Canon like the brothers and Campbell. I'm not sure if there are any kills in 2 though I could see it since it's impossible to make a Canon story giving it being two different characters.
@@karmitdafruge1 I see the point your making and I fully agree that he has a drastic character change but Delilah being in the void was because she got banished there when she was a witch, then she found the site where the outsider was turned into the outsider and she took some of his power to give to herself making her a part of him which he didn’t like so that’s why he acts so much different
This explains some shit, plus also means there could be a possible lore friendly 4th dishonored game. Only to hope and dream for.
So,he is like tzeench from Warhammer 40k
I think the outsider isnt interested in people who specifically will have an effect on the world I think he finds people like him who were either nobodys or people in the lowest point of their life with the potential to do things with massive repercussions
@Mihael Keehl thank you for the comment but you just gave me psychic damage from waking up to see mello replied to my comment from four months ago lol
I have a feeling if the outsider is slain that doud will take his place as the void wants a representative and well his spirit is just standing there doing nothing.
I think Delilah will take his place as the avatar.
If you follow the low chaos ending of Dishonored 2, which Death of the Outsider does, then she is currently trapped in the void already. And given how cleaver she is, I'd imagine that she would eventually notice the voids whisper and how her days never end. It would only be a matter of time before she realized and started peeking into the real world again, by which time millennium could have passed.
gods can be killed. in the greek myths they killed all the titans which were gods and in viking mythology the ice giants killed the first ice giant which was also a god.
Can you do a video for raiden or solid snake
Does anyone else notice he’s a lot like The Beyonder from Marvel?
I hope we play as the outsider in dishonored 3 and he gets the mark of the new outsider
The summons fro final fantasy arent really gods , they are being which reside in the world just as human below the celestials who probably created the world as we know it. Thats one of the reasons Ardyn calls them false gods after obtaining their memories they use their superiority to manipulate an kind in a way they seem fight and they can be killed or subjugated as Ardyn did.
Great!👍
Talking possibilities of a future Void avatar, I personally think Billie is the closest person as she is EXTREMELY void touched. Her being as touched by the void (not go to mention all she had learned & then also as being a whaler) as she is makes me feel like she’s “currently” the closest Outsider.
Disclaimer: not saying I think there would ever be a game with her in such a position
Im sure the outsider moved all & spoke for all & could posses & wear anyone within the void..& was the only sentiant in that world..
Like some kind of super computer with its robots & androids
& was ended by muffins not muffins wearing bananaz...🤣🤩
& no, the void is blank canvas & no the source of all magic is from what moves all & speaks for all & no the void does not crave an avatar just the artworld it made & not so much the artform & artface it made & wore like armor & masks..
I really really really dislike what they did to him in D2/DOTO
Apparently the original voice actor was a bitch to work with. I love the original VA for the outsider but honestly i like the new one and i feel like the second voice actor was able to show more emotion as the character better than the original
I killed the outsider because i felt like the only way daud could truly rest and i felt like i owed it to him
I loved the outsider when he was an ageless mysterious leviathan god thing from a parallel dimension, that just took the form of a person cause he thought it was funny to mess with people. but making him a human with a generic tragic backstory is just so boring, it killed all my interest. such a shame they reconnected him from the first game
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I thought Daud is the new avatar of void
It's never specified, at least as far as we understand it.
Low complex multiverse at best
Yey
First and finally.
Do Deviljho. Or don't. Keep doing characters that have been done to death.
I think Freddie fucking Fazbear would be a better deity and less cringe as an unnecessary ultracontrived lovecraftian lore than the Outsider. They where just cramming as much shit in there as possible. Even Hideo Kojima would find it impossible to suspend disbelief in the goth twink Gorillaz nuwave softcell cover band front man that is the Outsider.
The outsider is cool
Bro took this personally 💀
with dishonored 2, the whole franchise went downhill
Ah the idiot who deciedes the fate of a well made series shut your cakehole spitting your opinion noone cares
How?