What Happened To Indiana Jones And The Dial Of Destiny?!
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2024
- The year was 1973, George Lucas had just finished writing the screenplay for what would be his hit coming of age story American Graffiti. A poster on a wall caught his eye, an image of a man leaping between a horse and truck made him lose focus and day dream of the old serialized films he enjoyed as a child. Films such as Buck Rogers, Zorro’s Fighting Legion and Spy Smasher flashed through his brain as he had the instant idea of bringing that type of B-level hero to the big screen. He would take this idea and flesh out a story of a college professor who moonlit as an archeologist adventurer. Little did he know that simple idea would yield one of the greatest and most enduring franchises in movie history as his character Indiana Jones has gone on to appear in five feature films over the course of 42 years that have grossed nearly $2 billion at the worldwide box office. For many, anytime the character graces the screen is cause for celebration but it would seem that the years have not been kind to the fedora wearing hero as his last adventure was met with a giant shoulder shrug by audiences. With his final adventure in our rear views, its time we take a look at just WTF Happened to Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny.
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As flawed as it may be, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull had a satisfying ending. He married Marion, had a son, and had a happy ending. Dial of Destiny shouldn't have happened or should've been better.
Dial of Destiny was a stupid story. It should've been entirely a story in Indy's past, not when he's old and fragile.
There are 3 .
A low bar to be better than Crystal Skull with its awful jungle CGI chase scene… yet it didn’t come close to crossing it!
Nah, we need one more with his long lost 1/2 brother, Indiana Smith.
@@Flint-Dibble-the-Don LOL 😆
Kathleen Kennedy that's what happened.
Abso-fucking-LUTELY!
I would have personally preferred a film centered on Indy on an adventure with Short Round and Mutt, as it would feature Indy together with his surrogate son and biological son respectively.
That could've been really interesting! Short Round rules
@@JoBloOriginals Yeah, especially as Ke Huy Quan is now an academy award winning actor.
If Disney didn't suck and wasn't run by ideologues, a Short Round series of films or a TV series would ROCK!
i‘d want to see that movie…
@@k2sworld Yeah, as Walt Disney has been replaced with “Woke” Disney for the past several years now.
"We need to punch up this script!" "How about removing Marion, and adding a plain woman who keeps talking about how attractive she is! She also writes, making it a twofer!" "Perfect!"
Exactly Girl Boss film, it was.
@@tek_soup The same awful actress is working on the new Lara Croft movie.
@@6581punk i know, shit rolls up hill in Hollywood Woke.
There are only three Indiana Jones movies.
That's the way we see it :)
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They rode off into the sunset after Last Crusade and no other movies were ever made ever. EVER!!!
You tell 'em, John Casey!
purist
"No, there were no screenings with bad results. We simply spent a hundred million on reshoots to help support the movie-making community."
There were no reshoots on Indy 5. That’s been confirmed several times over. Besides, the cast and crew long moved on. Ford filmed Shrinking, 1923 and Captain America 4 and wasn’t even available when these reshoots “supposedly” happened. They were made up by the same random UA-cam “Doomcock” guy. Bizarre so many people still continue to spread his BS.
lol yeah economy is hard rn so we'll spend a lot of money to help
Indiana Jones to me will forever be a trilogy of movies released in the 1980s.
I agree. I love that ford wanted to do more as this was his ultimate role he wanted to be remembered by. The third movie riding into the sunset was genius only to be ruined by hollywood greed and lucas spielberg and ford went back and forth over the alien idea for well over a decade. They should have listened to their instincts. Crystal skull was meh. The dial of destiny has a beginning and an end both worthy of being in a much better movie. Raiders A+ Doom A- Crusade A+
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Skull C+
DIAL C+
Raiders of the Lost Ark was the first movie I saw without any parents - we were all 10-11 years old and me and six friends all took a 90+ minute bus ride to get to the mall where a theatre was showing the movie. For us at that age it was like an adventure to get there to see what would be a great adventure movie.
Now THERE's a subject for an interesting movie. (But, you know, Hollyweird, "postmodern writers," The Message, DEI, ESG.)
@@Otokichi786 What are you on about? LOL
Mads Mikkelsen can play a villain role in his sleep and still be menacing.
Just rewatched Dr Strange, he was the best actor in it.
He could be a villain in a coma and still upstage the lead.
he haunts my nightmares and i like it
but then again… even he couldn‘t save this boring movie from failing
Pusher movies were pretty good
3 main problems with Diaper of Dysentery
1. Phoebe
2. Waller
3. Bridge
80 year old Indy, stupid McGuffin, lame action, bad CGI, monobrow boy, a weak and depressed and pathetic and useless Indiana Jones, not to mention a weird cameo by Antonio Banderas for no reason.
That DEPENDS. (Which is what Harrison Ford was wearing all through the movie.)
@@ferociousgumby Are you ageist?
@@gamestation2690 Yep, and I'm 70 years old.
I agree. Phoebe Waller Bridge screwed up this franchise and the James Bond franchise too.
"Creative team" and the name Kathleen Kennedy shouldn't be in the same sentence.
Did she make it gay and lame😂
@@alexalexalex797 imsure
Demolition team would be more appropriate
So very true.
Spielberg's Indy 5 script would have reunited Indy with an adult Short Round, as well as more of Marion. We were robbed.
it keeps me up at night imagining what could've been.
Source? This is pretty much a lie.
@@JoBloOriginals - You know, I loved the video where this channel was in favor of this film. Now you've turned on a dime? Shame. Also, there is ZERO information on Spielberg's script - no reunion with Short Round confirmed, etc. That was made up when people saw fan art of Indy/Short Round, lied and said it was concept art. You need to vet things better.
Kathleen Kennedy had a wide on for Phoebe Waller bridge.
Oof
While Kennedy IS the individual most responsible for the state of Lucasfilm, I’m sick and tired of people acting like she’s singlehandedly responsible the proliferation of heroines across the movies she produces as if she views it in her best interests solely because of her gender. That’s totally how it works!
@@LinkMarioSamus She was also a producer on all of the previous Indiana Jones movies.
@@gamestation2690 Not outright producer but she had always been involved. Anyway it’s not a defense of Kathleen Kennedy but she doesn’t come off much better or worse than most people in the industry in a similar position. People assume because she’s a she that she has an interest in advancing feminist causes at the expense of all else which is such an insulting notion. The only sort of open activism I could find from her was presenting at an event about #metoo shortly after the Weinstein scandal broke, which was admittedly also not long before the release of The Last Jedi. But she has no writing credits and is only known for one instance of executive meddling on Disney’s Star Wars movies.
@@LinkMarioSamus People still misinterpret that photo with her and the "The Force is Female" shirt, which was actually a slogan for Nike Air Force 1 shoes. She most likely wore the shirt because of a simple happenstance.
The final budget of this movie was around 348M. Not including marketing.
insane
Sounds like a domestic box office gross more than a actual budget. A bloated budget was one of the factors for the fifth movie's ultimate failure.
Why?
Lots of reshoots
KOTCS is the end of Jones’ story for me. It is not as good as those that came before it, but it is an Indiana Jones adventure and no one can deny it follows the formula.
As flawed as it is, it's leagues better than Dial of Destiny.
And Dial of Destiny doesn't?
@@Casarzino No, it doesnt actually, Mangold just didnt know the secret formula for an Indy film, and it's glaringly obvious
@@LoneWolf051 to me Dial felt much more like an Indiana Jones film than KOTCS.
"We need to punch up this script!" "How about the writer who killed James Bond!" "Perfect!"
Oof. I get that Waller-Bridge is a huge deal in regards to her own writing projects, but she should stay away from franchise films.
PWB didn't even do anything writing-wise with this film...
@braytonwright6011 No, but she might be the most unlikable, insufferable protagonist I've seen in a movie.
Hey cut them Slack at least they didn't kill Indy.
Technically daniel craig killed bond, I'd say. He wanted that outcome, and barabara broccoli and the crew were more than happy to grant it
I still think dial of destiny shouldve been about Mutt and Short Round trying to find a kidnapped Indy
That would’ve been cool.
This movie should've been called " Grumpy Old Man & The Death of a Dynasty".
Dial of Dysentery
@@cameron398 how can such an exciting premise miss? bahahahahahah
You could see the bulk of his Depends diaper through those wrinkled chinos.
I'm one of those "older theater-goers" (67 right now). My wife and I are happy to go to the theater for good movies ("Top Gun: Maverick", "Sound of Freedom", "Mission Impossible 6")
That DVD OVERLORD has some good inside sources. He has always been right concerning STAR WARS.
He's full of shit like the rest of em
‘Indiana Jones and the Spear of Destiny’ is the biggest missed opportunity ever… instead we got ‘dial’ which was terrible.
There’s already a comic by that name.
Imagine telling someone in 1986 that in 2022 through 2024 there would be a Top Gun part 2, a fifth Indiana Jones, a fifth Ghostbusters, and a fourth Beverly Hills Cop, and they'd all star the actors from the 80s.
Or telling summer 1989 folk - Batman and Indy again in summer 2023 (but they both bomb)
the history channel guy with the Einstein hair has become the face of anything alien/UFO LOL
The fact the Spielberg backed out of Dial of Destiny keeps me from watching it. I don't even want to give it a chance.
To say that The Last Crusade was a “more light hearted endeavor” is like super duper gobbledygook to me. No one thinks that Last Crusade was in anyway pulling its punches. Not now. Not ever.
I do.
Each movie leaned a little more into physical comedy, and to me it seemed a shame since the balance struck in Raiders was perfect.
In Last Crusade we had the German pilot gazing out of his crashing plane in the tunnel. We had Jones Snr accidentally finding a secret passage by sitting down... and sending Indiana tumbling. We had the fireplace secret door swivelling around like an Abbott & Costello movie.
Still a great movie that I can rewatch without limit, but each sequel was just a little sillier than the previous production.
It was def more comedic than Raiders. Doom had alot of comedy but Crusade sort of took it into near slapstick . It was a thing at the time and still is, but know ppl really loved it then and now, probably most of all of them
I just came from the Indiana Jones Sub Reddit, where criticising this film is apparently a crime. The toxic positivity there about this movie is astounding. Don’t understand why people can’t accept that other people don’t have to like the same things they do. It’s completely fine to dislike this film, and talk about it. Just as it’s fine to enjoy it, and talk about that too.
I thought it was a poor send off for the character. I wanted to see Indiana Jones, kicking arse for the last time. But instead what we got was some unlikable character, stealing the limelight, always having the final say, never really being wrong. And Indy just doesn’t do much in this film. It’s almost like he was a side character in his own film.
1. It was too long. 2. Helena is EXTREMELY unlikeable. 3. Indy is now a broken down drunk old man who basically has a death wish which just made everything depressing. 4. After a while, I just got bored. There’s only so many action sequences you can get into until you realize that you weren’t feeling any danger and you were just watching the somewhat, (in some scenes) questionable visuals. 6. Too much CGI. A few times the de-ageing seemed off plus why spend $300 million USD when you still have a 40 year old Harrison Ford STILL sound like 80 year old Harrison Ford?! You couldn’t hire the best impersonator money can buy??? In the tuk-tuk chase, you can clearly tell it’s CGI when Indy and Helena are bickering. You can see it’s CGI a few times when Indy is on the horse, especially on the two or three close-ups of Indy’s face upwards. You can easily see that it’s a CGI background, which takes us out of the immersion. 7. Teddy is a Great Value version of Short Round, but isn’t as likable or cute. He’s almost like a younger Helena, which is awful. (I could barely stand one!) 8. The best sequence is the prologue on the train, after in 1969, it quickly becomes such a slog. 9. What happens at the end with Indy and Helena annoyed me. (She spent the entire time being so ageist and annoying that for me, I was like, “Okay, we still got 15 minutes to go, I think I’m going to dose off a little.” Because at this point, I just didn’t care anymore and I just wanted to have it be over with! 9. Was Indy ever cleared??? 10. I’m sorry but Crystal Skull is better than this imo. I enjoyed it better. Looking back, Mutt and aliens don’t look as bad anymore. (They did him dirty btw.) 11. It only made $300 million USD TOTAL! 12. Why was this necessary?! Everything goes basically back to depressing reality minus one thing by the end! I’d rather have just had Crystal Skull’s happy ending if we needed a semi recent Indy movie, just leave it at that! And 13. Why couldn’t they have brought Short Round back? He himself saw Indy as his own father figure. He could have become an archaeologist himself and reaches out to Indy, (who is happily still with Marion and who is now thriving and president of his university and who has become wealthy and semi famous after writing several books about his adventures that which would evolve into the young Indiana Jones Chronicles.) to help him on a mission and the movie goes with them instead of Helena. Plus Mutt and Indy are on good terms now, with Mutt being much maturer and wiser after all this time. Perhaps he joins too? SR and Indy can have a really touching moment somewhere in the movie too. And at the end, Indy decides to retire and Mutt announces he's going to be a father. I started thinking about it throughout the movie. Just on what could have been. God what a disappointment!
The mod over on that sub gave my 6 year old account a perma-ban for being critical about the movie. Absolutely pathetic behaviour.
Oh my god, yes. Toxic positivity is the perfect description. Fans on there are like, “This is my 18th time watching it! It just gets better and better!” Like, what?
There’s such a tribalism that comes with anyone who supports the Disney product. You can’t even say PWB was underwhelming as a sidekick without being called a misogynist.
That sub is super pedantic too, full of posts like "where can I find the belt buckle that Sallah's stunt double wore in Scene 53 of Raiders?"
People are sick and tired of seeing new directors crapping on our heroes. Complain about Crystal Skull made a lot of money. Now they have Jones as a terrible, falling apart who needs a strong hateful woman to tell him he has been wrong.
Because sad sack aging heroes is totally only a new thing. Also even though I have not seen the movie I do not get good vibes about how you described Helena, though I have read about her role in the plot.
The whole point was to contrast how this man who had been on such heart pounding adventures had mow grown old and lived a shitty life like many normal people do. How old age gets everybody
@@doctorfeinstone6524 Yeah the previous movie apparently got criticism for not taking Indy’s age into account enough.
@@LinkMarioSamus They did the wrong thing with Indy's age in Kingdom. They tried too hard to not make it seem like Indy was older. They wanted to make it seem like a guy in his 60's was still the same guy and could do the same stuff as when he was in his 30's. So it looked like an old guy wearing a young person costume--this actually makes the character seem older, because when men get older and try to look younger, they seem out of place and trying to be something they're not. This is why middle-aged men who suddenly get Corvettes and Oakley sunglasses actually appear old, because of the dichotomy. This even happened to Harrison Ford--remember in the 90's/early 2000's when he started spiking his hair and getting an earring? This made him seem older because it felt like he was actively fighting against it.
Make Indy a bit slower, thicker and maybe keep the beard he had in "Mystery of the Blues", and it would have seemed like a more graceful progression.
I only watched this on Disney+ earlier this year and its definately the weakest of the five.
I mean, the positives: Harrison Ford turns in a good performance (and I wish I'm that fit when I hit 80). John Williams' Score is good, albeit seldomly spectacular (Helenas' Theme is great, though, although it doesnt really fit its character), Phedon Papamichaels' cinematography at least gives the entire thing the right "look", and as flawed as the CGI occasionally is, the intro is actually quite entertaining, at its core a very Indy-esqe mini adventure that has the right amount of energy. And James Mangold's direction is solid, the guy is certainly no amateur.
But Helena is annoying and thoroughy unlikeable, the CGI is very hit and miss, Voller is a weak villain with very little presence (despite reliable Mads Mikkelsen really doing the best he can) and Antonio Banderas and John Rys Davies are utterly wasted in their bit parts.
But the films biggest problems are... first of all, it just lacks tension, suspense and stakes, it really doesn't feel like there is any danger at all, no real ticking clock-element. It just... happens.
And secondly, I dunno _Crystal Skull_ wasn't fantastic, but Indy was still his old self (albeit grumpier and slightly slower) and it ended with a Happy Ending: He married Marion, became Dean at his old University, and had a Son who may or may not inherit the Fedora in the future. _Dial of Destiny_ starts off with Mutt dead, Indy and Marion about to divorce and him being a simple professor at a less-renowned University, surrounded by Students who are bored by him and "collagues" who want his old ass gone. And then he spends the majority of the movie pushed around by an arrogant, backstabbing upstart who is being an asshole most of the time, yet we are supposed to like? And the movie ends at essentially the same point as _Crystal Skull_ did... only with an even older pair minus one son, their Bloodline extinct.
Nope.
The Original three movies are the only essential ones, but I like to thinj of _Crystal Skull_ as an extended epilogue that ends on a positive note at least. And Cate Blanchett was a great villain.
1. It was too long. 2. Helena is EXTREMELY unlikeable. 3. Indy is now a broken down drunk old man who basically has a death wish which just made everything depressing. 4. After a while, I just got bored. There’s only so many action sequences you can get into until you realize that you weren’t feeling any danger and you were just watching the somewhat, (in some scenes) questionable visuals. 6. Too much CGI. A few times the de-ageing seemed off plus why spend $300 million USD when you still have a 40 year old Harrison Ford STILL sound like 80 year old Harrison Ford?! You couldn’t hire the best impersonator money can buy??? In the tuk-tuk chase, you can clearly tell it’s CGI when Indy and Helena are bickering. You can see it’s CGI a few times when Indy is on the horse, especially on the two or three close-ups of Indy’s face upwards. You can easily see that it’s a CGI background, which takes us out of the immersion. 7. Teddy is a Great Value version of Short Round, but isn’t as likable or cute. He’s almost like a younger Helena, which is awful. (I could barely stand one!) 8. The best sequence is the prologue on the train, after in 1969, it quickly becomes such a slog. 9. What happens at the end with Indy and Helena annoyed me. (She spent the entire time being so ageist and annoying that for me, I was like, “Okay, we still got 15 minutes to go, I think I’m going to dose off a little.” Because at this point, I just didn’t care anymore and I just wanted to have it be over with! 9. Was Indy ever cleared??? 10. I’m sorry but Crystal Skull is better than this imo. I enjoyed it better. Looking back, Mutt and aliens don’t look as bad anymore. (They did him dirty btw.) 11. It only made $300 million USD TOTAL! 12. Why was this necessary?! Everything goes basically back to depressing reality minus one thing by the end! I’d rather have just had Crystal Skull’s happy ending if we needed a semi recent Indy movie, just leave it at that! And 13. Why couldn’t they have brought Short Round back? He himself saw Indy as his own father figure. He could have become an archaeologist himself and reaches out to Indy, (who is happily still with Marion and who is now thriving and president of his university and who has become wealthy and semi famous after writing several books about his adventures that which would evolve into the young Indiana Jones Chronicles.) to help him on a mission and the movie goes with them instead of Helena. Plus Mutt and Indy are on good terms now, with Mutt being much maturer and wiser after all this time. Perhaps he joins too? SR and Indy can have a really touching moment somewhere in the movie too. And at the end, Indy decides to retire and Mutt announces he's going to be a father. I started thinking about it throughout the movie. Just on what could have been. God what a disappointment!
"A random UA-camr" is an interesting way to describe Doomock xD
Doomcock is a joke.
@@jeffreymcquillen1208 Whereas you are a legend ! 🤣🤣🤣
@@jeffreymcquillen1208 And yet he called ir. The dude has been wrong a million times, bit he was right on this one
Fans online will fight you to the death if you suggest reshoots happened. “The director said there wasn’t. Stop spreading conspiracy theories!!”
The release date got pushed back during production by a year, it cost $300m+, John Williams said they were possibly shooting a new ending, and the ending we got felt like it was written in an afternoon.
They filmed multiple endings, showed them to test audiences. they hated them all.(probably Indy staying in the past or dying , PWB becoming the new Indy, maybe she even got back to the future early in the 30s and took his place in his original adventures ) so they had to do reshoots which was what we eventually got (which didn't make too much sense)
Watched "Raiders of The Lost Ark" last night at a Harkins theater in Denver, as part of their Tuesday Night Classics series. LOVED IT!
that's a SWEET way to see Raiders! Classic movies for life
Jealous!
After watching Dial of Destiny i left the theater in total shock and disbelief. I had high hopes, that it would at least be a little bit better than Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. To me Dial of Destiny is a low effort sacrilege. It's like they didn't even try to live up to the original 80's installments magic, trying to cash in on the name Indiana Jones alone. Is it really that hard to glorify an old hero of times passed? Top Gun: Maverick did it... why can't Disney?
1. It was too long. 2. Helena is EXTREMELY unlikeable. 3. Indy is now a broken down drunk old man who basically has a death wish which just made everything depressing. 4. After a while, I just got bored. There’s only so many action sequences you can get into until you realize that you weren’t feeling any danger and you were just watching the somewhat, (in some scenes) questionable visuals. 6. Too much CGI. A few times the de-ageing seemed off plus why spend $300 million USD when you still have a 40 year old Harrison Ford STILL sound like 80 year old Harrison Ford?! You couldn’t hire the best impersonator money can buy??? In the tuk-tuk chase, you can clearly tell it’s CGI when Indy and Helena are bickering. You can see it’s CGI a few times when Indy is on the horse, especially on the two or three close-ups of Indy’s face upwards. You can easily see that it’s a CGI background, which takes us out of the immersion. 7. Teddy is a Great Value version of Short Round, but isn’t as likable or cute. He’s almost like a younger Helena, which is awful. (I could barely stand one!) 8. The best sequence is the prologue on the train, after in 1969, it quickly becomes such a slog. 9. What happens at the end with Indy and Helena annoyed me. (She spent the entire time being so ageist and annoying that for me, I was like, “Okay, we still got 15 minutes to go, I think I’m going to dose off a little.” Because at this point, I just didn’t care anymore and I just wanted to have it be over with! 9. Was Indy ever cleared??? 10. I’m sorry but Crystal Skull is better than this imo. I enjoyed it better. Looking back, Mutt and aliens don’t look as bad anymore. (They did him dirty btw.) 11. It only made $300 million USD TOTAL! 12. Why was this necessary?! Everything goes basically back to depressing reality minus one thing by the end! I’d rather have just had Crystal Skull’s happy ending if we needed a semi recent Indy movie, just leave it at that! And 13. Why couldn’t they have brought Short Round back? He himself saw Indy as his own father figure. He could have become an archaeologist himself and reaches out to Indy, (who is happily still with Marion and who is now thriving and president of his university and who has become wealthy and semi famous after writing several books about his adventures that which would evolve into the young Indiana Jones Chronicles.) to help him on a mission and the movie goes with them instead of Helena. Plus Mutt and Indy are on good terms now, with Mutt being much maturer and wiser after all this time. Perhaps he joins too? SR and Indy can have a really touching moment somewhere in the movie too. And at the end, Indy decides to retire and Mutt announces he's going to be a father. I started thinking about it throughout the movie. Just on what could have been. God what a disappointment!
Honestly, I love ALL of the Indiana Jones movies, even Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny.
Kingdom skull was the first movie I about walked out of if not for my buddy. I wouldn't piss on dial if it were on fire and it was..
Phoebe Waller Bridge is beyond unlikable in this movie. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ROOT FOR HER????
You were also supposed to root for her when she played "feminist-bot 5000" in that _Solo: A Star Wars Story_ movie
Her character is the single most insufferable protagonist that I've ever seen in a movie. Just a loathsome character.
Indiana Jones finished with The Last Crusade! 🙌🏻 One of the best films ever!
I hated the way they treated Indy as a grieving Failure because of Mutts unsurprising dead but John Williams told the fans that he was recording new music for new scenes and ending it confirmed what Mangold was denying and that was the shit show that is the movie. Mangold being in Kennedy's payroll went to say that JW was lying and that in my book it is wrong, to treat the legend that way. This movie is boring from start to finish, for me it doesn't feel like a Indy film and Harrison Ford looks and acts bored the whole film. The fact that they killed Mutt and didn't use Short round tells you how the heads of Lucas Film (Kennedy) don't care about these characters. I always visualize a last adventure where Mutt, Short Round and to some degree a grandchild for Indy set out on one last adventure before retiring with their family forever.
Dial of Destiny should have gone something like this
Indiana became like his father ignored his family and preferred ancient dead people over his family. Mutt is not dead he's still enlisted after the war he opened up his shop reparing bikes something he liked doing (as established in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull) got married started a family. Indiana tried to call him but couldn't too ashamed of himself repeating same mistake his father did. Indiana wants to go back in time to get all those years he wasted of not being there for his son, his wife Marion, and not meeting Matt's son. Jurgen is revealed to be brother of Belloq who wants to finish what brother failed to do look for the Dial of Destiny and use to change time the way he sees fit.
Helena is not Indiana Jones goddaugther she's actually his daughter her full name is Helena Sophie Jones and her mother is Willie Scott. Before you say Indiana never had a daughter and I'm making it up nope it was established in the Young Indiana Jones series he has daughter named Sophie and she has two kids also Old Indy mentions he has multiple children. Sophie mother is never mentioned and Mutt was a thing yet till Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Helena is similar to her father going on adventures but she actually takes her kids with her on her adventures and spends time with them. Jurgen is revealed to have killed Oxley after he refused to help him find the Dial of Destiny and his death drove wedge between Indiana and Marion with Indiana being accused of not caring for him which is not the case and Marion wanted to avenge Oxley for being there for her and Mutt. Everything in film remains the same but only difference It's not just Indiana and Helena they are joined by Marion, Spike, Lucy, Sallah, and Short Round for one last adventure. Jurgen dies same way like his brother and Donovan the Dial of Destiny taking away his years. Indiana wants to use the Dial of Destiny to go back get all those lost years he wasted not being there for Marion and Mutt but is told by Marion he can't change the past no matter how many times he tries but before he use it the Dial of Destiny destroys itself unable to remain intact. Film ends with Indiana with Marion going to visit their son Mutt before they knock at the door he turns to Marion says "Sweetheart you were right I can't go back no matter how times I can try I can't change the past. If there is one very important thing i learned you have to live life moving forwards not back this time" then Marion gives Indiana a gentle punch in the face. Instead of Mutt answering the door its little boy named Henry Oxley Jones the fourth after Indiana introduces himself and makes amends with his son. Sallah, Short Round, Helena with her children Spike and Lucy, and Stanforth arrive all invited for cook out and just in time to watch NASA launch Armstrong to the moon being covered on the news by none other than Willie Scott which of course Short Round mentions her history with Indiana and Marion gives him that look of really any more surprises. Indiana puts his hat on his grandson passing of the torch finally and Indiana retires. Idk something like this would have been much better
You should consider using paragraphs.
Say what you will about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, but at least you could tell it was directed by an individual. There was enough energy to keep this adventure afloat. Aside from the opening scene, I don't feel the same way about Dial of Destiny.
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Idea: Mutt was not really KIA but is actually a POW and Indy finds out. He enlists Short Round and Mutt's two twin children (boy and girl) to go on some adventure to find the means to rescue Mutt. Mutt is rescued and Short Round gets to don the fedora to later pass it on to Indy's twin grandchildren who then all have many adventures including finding Atlantis. Could be more movies or a streaming show.
Nah he dead 💀
One thing I noticed about Dial is that it's just too long, but also the audience isn't given any time to just stop and breathe it in. Indy's chased continuously throughout the movie (and caught multiple times, which wears on you), and there aren't any "pauses" where things are just sort of in a stasis or lull so you can drink things in. You feel like you're under the gun the whole time as a viewer. It left out really any sense of amazement or wonder and went straight for the conflict the whole time. And the villains don't even feel unique this time around to make it worth your while--they're not even given an ironic Indy-style death like every other villain the series; they just bite it in a plane crash.
On top of that, this time around they lean too far into the aging Indy thing. You started to see the cracks in Kingdom, but it goes overboard here. The sad part is that they did handle this correctly in the Young Indiana Jones bumpers for "Mystery of the Blues"--we had an early-50's aged Indy who was bearded, a bit grayer, but still had that mischievousness to him. They really should have taken a page from "The Dark Knight Returns", and made him a big thicker and bearlike, but still have the same drive as when he was younger. Compare this to Sean Connery--he played older characters but never seemed like his characters were burdened by it. Indy could still be great character in his 60's and 70's if they write him well enough.
TL;DW - no Spielberg, KK self-insert, treating Indy like crap. Indy 5 did to Indy 4 what "Alien 3" did to Aliens (pooped on the fans)
Once they added Waller-Bridge, the movie was doomed. If there were a re-edited version of the movie, where her role was somehow reduced greatly, you could have a good movie. Especially if there were more Karen Allen instead. Ultimately, I agree with Bumbray. The franchise should have ended with "Last Crusade", where they literally ride off into the sunset. And yes, there will be further attempts to "reboot" or "re-imagine" Indy. Similar to Margot Robbie wanting to become Captain Jack Sparrow in the next "Pirates" movie.
What do people have against Phoebe Waller-Bridge, anyway?
@@gamestation2690 She is insufferable. Smug, smarmy, snotty and coasting on the fame of something she did years ago, with nothing decent since then. The worst female Indy partner, with Kate Capshaw running a close second (her shrieking throughout the entire movie was really tiresome).
She also killed off the Bond franchise, literally 💀
Rebooted Indy , probably in 5y time, Chris Pratt as Indy set in 1930s, directed by JJ Abrams . Ford does the old man Indy introduction ..
@@bozotheclown169 No, she didn’t.
"Subverting our expectations ". The Ruin Johnson playbook.
They should have done The Fate of Atlantis as the old computer games. That would have been amazing. Dial of Destiny didn't deserve all of the negative reviews but you can tell it had a rushed re-imagined ending. But was still my 5th favourite movie in the franchise 👍😀
They’re gonna wait 15/20 years for Spielberg, Lucas and Ford to all die then do a reboot
the "Temple of Doom" (George Lucas and Steven Spielberg's divorce movie) was the best!
It's the best of the sequels, for sure!
@k2sworld no it isn't. The last crusade is.
..it depends ...indy 3 mature and wise vs indy 2 bad ass hero.... i like both of them equal...😊😊😊
(long comment as I talk about a few things from the video)
_starts talking about Overlord DVD posting a video about bad test screenings_
Oh man I remember that channel, stumbled across one of their Star Wars videos a couple of years back and it felt like I was listening to a cult leader. O_o
Don't remember the topic but it was some response to something Disney/LucasFilm did with Star Wars. The way they phrased their sentences combined with the extremely calm and almost assertive tone did not sit well with me at all. He called for fans to band together against something like a boycott or maybe it was to complain/spam about the leadership at the company.
Left a couple of minutes in because I legitimately felt like I was somewhere I shouldn't be, it was the first & last time I got that feeling from a UA-cam video. Somehow, I'm not surprised that the rumors about the test screenings came from that channel.
Anyways in regards to the movie itself: I said this on another UA-cam video but I place a lot of the blame on the marketing as well as just Harrison Ford being so old by this point.
Leading up to Crystal Skull there was a massive push to bring the series back into relevancy especially for the next generation. The Star Wars Prequels just finished so a lot of people had their eyes on Indiana Jones for a variety of reasons. Lego sets for the series were now being made along with a video game retelling the stories which allowed a ton of kids (myself included) to get into the series. There were Halloween Costumes, cheap fedoras and toys like fake whips.
This movie had standard marketing, there was no push to make the series big again so the only reason to see the movie is if you're already a fan, and there was no cultural drive to become a fan. It was just some old character getting a new movie.
I mean no disrespect when I say this but Harrison Ford's age also played a part. In Crystal Skull he pretty much looked the same but with grey hair. He's clearly older but also clearly the same guy so any kid that likes Indiana Jones still recognized him in the role. Compare that to this movie where he looks like a grandpa and even kids would think he's too old for the role, assuming they recognize him without being told it's the same guy. This is only a problem because the budget was so huge that they needed the younger generation to see the movie. If it only cost 100M or less than it would've been fine.
The movie itself was fine and Harrison is still great in the role but it took too long to get made. Would've done better a decade ago when the franchise was still relevant.
Disney and DEI/ESG cancer happened to it
You are correct, but it figures that your comment wasn't hearted by the channel owner.
sure, it was that instead of all the poor writing and the rest of it. certainly not that the main character and the actor who plays him are old and tired.
Phoebe is now ready to destroy “Tomb Raider”
"Crystal skulls, which many think are alien in nature." Then they show the goofy dude from Ancient Aliens. Buddy, he thinks everything is from aliens.
When all which have been tested have been proven to have been created here on Earth. Some in the 19th century, some in early 20th. During the same period where all other bogus things were created. Would have been interesting if they were not, but...definitely not aliens.
What happened.....The same thing that's happened to Star Wars....Disney
Never seen Dial, never will.
I'm in the minority that thought this movie was very good and much truer to the Indiana Jones serialization than Crystal Skull. The opening, if you can forgive the de-aging technology, was thrilling and very Raiders-esque. The emotional elements in the rest of the film hit a higher note than even The Last Crusade. Harrison was very true to his character throughout this film. The action was fantastic especially the car chase. The emotion of the final scene when they jumped through the rift was wonderful. The thought that a man who based his entire life on Roman, Egyptian and South American history was able to see history come to life and felt he needed to stay was emotional for me and a natural reaction for his character. My first theater memories were seeing Raiders (re-release) in the theater with my dad, and seeing The Last Crusade when it opened also with my dad. I was obsessed with this character as a child and watched the young indiana jones reruns on the family channel for years. Crystal Skull really never sat well with me and just felt completely incongruent with not only the original movies but even against the TV show and the fan-fiction novels. Yet another mid-life creative misfire from George Lucas. I've watched Dial of Destiny several times and my wife who isn't a big Indy fan enjoyed it thoroughly as well.
I know people disliked Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull, which Spielberg directed, but I would have been interested in seeing him direct Dial Of Destiny. It could have turned out better
I rewatched Crystal Skull with an open mind, after 15 years, prior to seeing Dial. It falls apart a bit mid-way, but there’s an energy and a finesse to Spielberg’s direction that felt diminished in Dial. I’d rank them both at the bottom, but Crystal Skull is rated so lowly that it borders on “underrated.”
I know were talking about "Dial"...i believe in "Crystal" they needed to omit the whole monkey swinging scene..but the whole fencing bit worked..it just felt to silly for a "Jones" flick. We knew Mut was good with a blade. It felt rushed. And yes..true fans...really despise additional characters to Indy films..i believe the Indy films to me were just darker with resonance of what they were back in the day..and they touched your heart into the character with with whom he shared the adventure with..
@@eriksinica2557 It’s funny, the monkey swing worked for me on a second viewing. I gave myself over to the sense of whimsy. What didn’t work: nuclear fridge and CG space alien. Probably never going to work!
Dial of Dysentery. Terrible.
Although I love your channel. You need to admit the internet rumors were true. They did change the ending. John Williams confirmed it. They should never have hired Phoebe waller bridge.. she is a hardcore feminist and turns off half the country
Politics are meaningless. Tom cruise is a crazy cultist but his movies kick ass.
"As well as helping bring to a close another iconic character..." Translation: DESTROYED two iconic characters. This film should be erased from history, like her and KK wanted to do to Indy!
The ending was reshot.
Indy 4 made more than 79.6 million at the worldwide box office. lol
*Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Perhaps I treated you too harshly.
All I can say is that in all my movie-watching life (50+ years) I have only walked out on two movies. The first was because my date left first and I followed her to avoid awkwardness. The second time was the stink-fest called "Indiana Jones & The Dial of Destiny." Went with my partner, plowed through the tedious sequences of "exposition," watched a geriatric Indy fight some guys, sat through about 12 interminable chase scenes... the, lo and behold - only one hour had passed! . Since the movie was something like 7 hours long, I looked at my partner and said "Are you ready to go?" and she looked back at me with gratitude in her eyes and said: "Oh, yes, thank you, let's leave..." That's a true story, and this "movie" was a truly stinking bomb of a movie. Ignominious way for Harrison Ford to end his career, but after watching one hour of this crap, I'm seriously not sorry for him and hope he never gets another offer. He made another $1million or so off this derivative and brain-dead tripe, and I just want my money back Though I fell a little sorry for the old guy, too. Boo, director, whoever you are!
12:28 Enter: Phoebe Waller Bridge
Exit: The Audience
I’m just glad people are reevaluating KOTCS. It’s flawed yes, but it still feels like an Indy movie
The one thing about the first 3 movies that drew people in was they faced the question of religion and long standing stories that had been around for 1000 years. the crystal skull and dial of destiny have no basis in history. Had they went for something like the spear that pierced Christ's side or some other legend from a religion then things would have went a lot better. Those things have affected people either by word or by life choices. A time machine, while fanciful , has never affected anyone or changed anyone's life.
I always imagined the ending would be Indiana Jones vs the anti-Christ using all the religious artifacts he'd collected to fight zombie Nazis.
@@Slammy555 Indiana Jones and The Curse of The Omen
Such a shame. So underrated. It’s got a couple minor flaws, but overall, a terrific movie! Man, the world has gone crazy.
They stupidly decided to film it...and that's after they read the script. Thats what happened to this movie
Which script? There were like a dozen versions, half which got filmed some then rightly shelved.
The problem with The Dial of Destiny it suspended all reality and belief after the CIA killed his teacher friends and coworkers. When prior films did this Indy was either or taken hostage. Those situations gave writers a way out from one situation to the other and in a feasible way pushes the story along. So the death of the innocent. Wether its a sidekick (one of the reason I never really got into James Bond, was the killing off of his random assistants and side kicks). Although forced casual deaths were forgiven by the audience because Indy couldn’t help it, if he was kidnapped (Raiders of the Lost Ark) or if he was running for his life (Temple of Doom). But on Dial of Destiny Indy doesn’t reflect, wince or even try to recognize the CIA killed his innocent coworkers. Once the story abandoned Indy’s everyday retired professor plot point. The movie lost gravitas, and it seemed like a parody of Indiana especially in the Antonio Bandera middle of the ocean sailor. I feel asleep during that part, i actually forgot it happened until a rewatch. There was too much exposition in the Indiana Jones retiring professor sequence. Also making he CIA the enemy who’s secretly being used by an ex-Nazi…..too far fetched. This felt like 4 movie in one. Clunked together in one movie. The last crusade almost fell into this trap but it flowed smoothly due to the Indiana & father relationship. Dial of destiny did not hsve one major plot push it along. The entire time the audience is asked to suspend all belief and let the movie pay off. The ending felt put together it didnt flow from anything within the movie before. It assumes the audience knows Marion and their past (which is not bad….but it assumes too much). Crystalk Skull didn’t work because the villain had zero gravitas also treating Indiana Jones like a government agent when he was always the outsider proved to the fans that the filmmaker had no idea who Indiana Joses was or is….they were trying to rewrite the Indiana Jones folklore (I’d keep going on about Crystal Skull but this was a Dial of Destiny posting.😊)
Keep it up, Joe! Love your content!
Plus, I love the historical elements of Indiana Jones movies.
Short Round 2.0 was a misfire.
Yeah, anyone remember SouthPark: The Panderverse? Disney decided to pander the entire company and all its IP's, and Jones was no exception.
The part in the movie where they mow down Roman soldiers with a machine gun had me laughing out loud
Harrison Ford shafted his characters and fans in Indiana Jones and Star Wars all for the money.
Nobody likes Phoebe Waller Bridge. Her invlovement was a death-blow all by itself.
The Director is right, the concept isn't that absurd. What the film lacks to be on par with its predecessors is that slightly horror and disturbing element that was there in every film
How good was Indy 1? My girlfriend and I held hands while watching it. At the end of the movie, our hands ached from gripping so tightly.
He was a college professor who moonlit as a thief.
@10:51, much like literally everything else, hardly constitutes "time travel".
There are 3 Indiana Jones movies, no more no less
Denial springs eternal.
$79.6 million for Crystal Skull worldwide? Uh…I think you read that wrong.
Oh, don't worry, 25 to 30 years down the road, just like Star Wars, the Indy franchise will be so badly rebooted that Dial will look like a masterpiece!
Katherine Kennedy was struggling to make the real creatives a cup of coffee back then. She creates nothing.
No, she was not a coffee girl. Don’t be silly.
@@gamestation2690 no I'm not...just ask Spielberg about the coffee... A picture shows him and her coffee assistant along with an interview with Spielberg himself talking about it. It's well documented actually. I'm not being silly, I'm being factual.
@@joseantoniomillabrito2764 The "coffee girl" thing was part of a playful remark Spielberg made during that interview to highlight Kennedy's humble beginnings in the film industry and how she rose to become a significant producer.
Kathleen Kennedy started her career as a production assistant, and Spielberg's comment was likely meant to emphasize how she transitioned from entry-level positions to becoming one of Hollywood's most influential producers. It underscores her hard work, talent, and the journey she undertook in the film industry.
Such comments are often intended to be light-hearted and illustrative rather than literal. Kennedy's extensive career and accomplishments speak for themselves, showcasing her impressive rise within the industry, far beyond the tasks typically associated with a production assistant.
@@gamestation2690 Nahhhhh I based my argument on existing footage. The Spielberg presentation for Indy 5 and the public (and we'll deserved) humiliation of not being recognized as anything regarding their creation. She was teased into it though.
You just can't deny reality by disguising it as an innocent joke... twice.
(Unless you're delusional too, man... numbers don't add up... there's no success, only a downfall trajectory and billion$ lost)
@@joseantoniomillabrito2764 Box office doesn't factor into a movie's actual quality.
Overlord was right.
Mangold didn't "set the record straight". He lied.
So we should believe you over the guy who made the movie?
Great video!
Dial of Destiny makes Chrystal Skull look good.
(it's called retro-active filmmaking.... a lot of people are doing it now days)
Ford kind of seemed like he agreed with the fans in an interview he did with James Mangold and Phoebe Waller Bridge. Ford answered the question from the interview, who asked, "what are you most afraid of?" Phoebe Waller said something like spiders, I forget what James Mangold said, and Harrison Ford said, "making a terrible movie." And he looked over to say it again to James Mangold, who didn't really catch what he said. Too bad you did put that clip in here. Kind of says it all just like Mark Hamill did with TLJ.....
Bro knew they f***ed up
It made Crystal Skull look good. Which should be impossible. It is corporate cynicism and greed congealed.
For myself, Indiana Jones ended with the last crusade. I have never watched the last two and I probably never will.
I thought it was entertaining and Ford carried off the old guy version of Jones really well. The action scenes such as chases weren't in Spielberg's class, too confusingly edited but a good ending. It was better than the last one. Mind you the budget seems insane especially in the era of Godzilla Minus One
I know the answer to this question. Someone took a dump on a piece of paper, and they called it a script. Did I get it right?
isn't that how they wrote all those JAWS sequels too? lol
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I liked last crusade cause of sean connery
Doomcock or Overlord DVD is a random UA-camr lol.
The film was fine. And I think that's about all you can expect from a legacy franchise these days.
I had no idea that Lucas was taking inspiration from 1950s sci-fi films for Indiana Jones that makes so much sense now I don't know if vanessailey makes it better but at least the logic of what it is makes more sense
Price tag was actually 327 million which is worse.
It wasn't as bad as the rumors suggested, but there were some questionable decisions made. Including short round would have been a plus, and keeping Indy and Mariam married would have been better. Making him sad and grumpy was also questionable. Everything else was pretty fun to watch. Glad they took out the berating old jokes.
Once again Indy comes face to face with the ancients and would love to spend more time with them than his real family. Yes I enjoyed Marvel Comics take of Indiana Jones and I very much enjoyed Dial of Destiny. I well up when Marion comes into frame. She may keep him grounded this time.
I think Dial is decent film. Ford does a good job (though I did have to suspend disbelief a bit that a 80-year old man, even one as fit as Ford, can go on big adventures, chases and fights without ending up seriously injured), there's some decent action bits and I liked seeing Marion and Sallah return. That bit where Indy talks about his regrets with Mutt was well done.
My issues is that a lot of it feels like Indiana Jones's Greatest Hits. We've got another scene of Indy disguising himself in Nazi uniform, the Nazis as villains, a kid sidekick, a fight aboard a train, a chase through North African streets, a bit with crawling animals (this time eels), Indy & Marion doing their Raiders romantic scene and so on. But this time, they feel like copies of the originals rather than standing alone for this film. I also felt the movie was too long at two and a half hrs. as an Indy movie should be around two hours at most. I didn't hate Helena Shaw like most, yet my issue was how inconsistently written her character was (one minute she's putting Indy in danger, then at the midpoint, she randomly starts helping him). I also felt the rest of the characters were all forgettable. I love Mads Mikkelsen, but felt he was wasted as the villain. Even for all their flaws, Temple of Doom and Crystal Skull had more personality, standout action scenes, some quotable dialogue and engaging characters.
Again, I liked things about it and it's not terrible, but given it's the final installment of one of cinema's greatest heroes, I expected a little better.
It would be great that we get an Indiana Jones Series on Disney+ with Alden Ehrenreich playing Indy in his prime and it’s set before Crystal Skull. I know what you’re thinking but it makes sense considering that Harrison Ford played both Han and Indy and since Alden Ehrenreich played young Han, he should play young Indy.
You got a "downvote" from me for omitting that the final ending was redone AFTER the referenced OverlordDVD "Phoebe dons hat' rumors were posted, as John Williams himself has stated. Quit throwing your integrity away..
That was never true. Or is this part of the lore that whiny fans need to believe to justify their complaining? Williams never mentioned anything about Phoebe donning the hat, nor has anyone credible.
@@braytonwright6011 found the bootlicker.
Is Overlord the guy who keeps announcing that Kathleen Kennedy is about to be fired but it never happens?
@@RictusHolloweye That's the guy.