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Forrest Valkai, a biologist who teaches science on the internet, embarks on a quest to endure videos from people who claim everything he studied in college is wrong. Will he be convinced by creationist claims? Or will he remain steadfast in his study of science? Let's find out!
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Ken Ham: "The Bible couldn't have precise dates on it, because otherwise those dates would be wrong."
Also Ken Ham: "The Bible has precise ages in it, which can be added together to find the precise starting date of the earth."
I tried to wrap my head around it as well. Maybe he meant the literal sentence "The earth is 6000 years old" could not be in the Bible. Because they add the 2000 years between Jesus and today. If something like that was in there, you would have to know when exactly the book was written and then you could also calculate. But such a punctual statement would be fallible in the sense that it's not always true. Thinking about it I don't know if there are any chronological statements that are not in relation to something else, where someone just assumes the reader knows what the time is it is written in. I think noone would write like that. You would always write a date with the reign of a king for example when writing history, like in Chronicles or so. Genesis just happens not to be a historical account. There's that genealogy in there, but I think its original purpose as intended by the people wrote it was not to give a tool for calculating the age of the earth to future people. Now I will look it up in my study Bible.
That argument was so off the wall considering what he believes about the Bible.
Yes, this book is the perfect word of God, given without error and has specific historical events and even precise dates (see the Flood story) but it can't have a precise date for the Creation because then that date could be wrong.
Brought to you by the same people who say:
"God is beyond comprehension...so here is a comprehensive list of what God does and does not like"
And my favorite
"God operates outside of space and time...I spoke to God when he visited me..."
If my interpretation is not correct, then I'm wrong, and no one is ever going to convince me that my interpretation is not correct, therefore I must be right. Got all that?
@@GRAHFMETAL Yeah, all those blatant contradictions, and their ability to blindly believe such things, are fairly insane.
There's also the old "His *Invisible* Qualities have *Clearly Been Seen* ..." like, lol, SMFH.
As a former homeschooled kid in the Bible Belt I truly, from the bottom of my hearts bottom, appreciate your content.
Glad to know youre free now
@@Lobster_Lars thank you. Also take comfort in knowing that my kid won't
even have to deal with that baggage haha
Man is it true, you essentially were just shielded from the discoveries and facts of science when they did not match the religious version being peddled?
AND what was it like when you realized you had been lied to and missed so much. I have personally loved learning science more Indepth and broadly for the last 35 years after I really got out.
@@stultusvenator3233 Well we only had a TV during the winter for a long time and we didn't have a computer or internet. So I didn't even get exposed to a lot of contradictory science until I was like 15 and went to public school. I stopped believing, or at least stopped caring, around when I hit puberty. So I was able to get into the sciences in highschool cause I was pretty open to it at that point. I'm kind of rambling haha. But I didn't realize how much of a base knowledge I lacked till I met my wife and she told me what they learned. Luckily I have a pretty good memory and have made progress now that I'm older. My family are still young earth creationists and I don't get to show them cool science stuff but I just avoid talking about it and they don't push too much.
@@stultusvenator3233 also always keep that passion for learning. Glad we all have a growing and welcoming community
Ken Ham's Question: "How do you get people to believe in an impossible process?"
Answer: "Start sending them to church as little kids in order to indoctrinate them."
Exactly
You think kids aren't being indoctrinated in schools? Do you even know what indoctrinate means?
@@kennethrussell1320 certainly they are in the white supremacist Republican charter schools the private Christian Schools that's all it is is indoctrination
@@kennethrussell1320
Please educate us 😂
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
But believe in an invisible man in the sky who is going to punish you if you don't give Ken money.
Ken Ham: "The eye is perfect evidence of design." Forgets he is wearing glasses
@Aron Gladden your god designed a broken eye. okay then. you can have your god.
@Aron Gladden hilarious what you god people come up with.
@Aron Gladden said every person in an insane asylum.
@Aron Gladden science aka genetics proves evolution true. Your buybull merely suggests,claims it is true.
@Aron Gladden that's not evolution.
When I was taking Calculus in college, I had a professor pull me aside, and ask how I was verifying my answers. I told him, and he looked at me, and chuckled, and asked "have yiu always struggled with math?" After I nodded he asked me, "how do you expect to get the right answer, of the only way you know to verify your answer, is to rearrange the equation? A wrong answer doesn't look any less wrong, when all you do is rearrange the thing, to give you the same answer twice.
That is creationism in a nutshell. They have to rearrange the question, so that their answer comes out the same every time, but it will still be wrong every single time.
Thanks for being awesome!
Reminds of me of a science-denier I met in the comments once who wanted to claim that orbits are impossible. He presents a blatant strawman argument (or his own beliefs, I'm unclear) that doesn't represent the scientific consensus. I corrected him, explained how they actually worked and the major forces involved, and also tried to explain that since his assumptions were wrong in the first place, it's no wonder he came to wrong conclusions. Turns out he had no idea how gravity worked either, so there wasn't much point in continuing. Of course, being a science-denier, once I stopped engaging with him and his belief in ancient conspiracies, he declared victory.
Thoron Neto, did you continue with the calculus?
@@onepunch9203 I finished the class, but it wasn't my major, it was one of gen ed courses, and that professor actually made me love math, and appreciate critical thinking just a little more than I did before
@@synthetic240 yeah, it's difficult to talk to people who insist they know your thoughts better than you do, or that don't understand science to the point they can't even fathom why they're wrong.
doesn’t math work that way though?
If you rearrange the equation enough times, you'll se that something is wrong, because the answers will start to differ.
If your equation is right, then it doesn't matter how many times you rearrange the thing, it will still produce the same result.
Usually if an equation is wrong, you can tell that by the fact that if you run enough tests with it you'll get different results.
Am I wrong?
Whenever someone admits their epistemology is, “I believe and nothing will change my mind,” then everything else is like punching raindrops to stop the rain.
"Whenever someone admits their epistemology is, “I believe and nothing will change my mind,” then everything else is like punching raindrops to stop the rain." - That sounds Darwinism.
@@jounisuninenBetter get those ears cleaned out then 🙂
I can change my mind, at 30 I went from Catholic to Atheist.
@@jounisuninen wTF?
@@jounisuninenNope lol😂 it means YOU and only YOU have the problem. Sorry I know facts hurt. And to the OP "punching raindrops to stop rain" ...😂 Stop it lol...I got a full cup of coffee man lol...
Crazy?
I was crazy once.
They locked me in a church.
An evangelical church,
An evangelical church with creationists.
Creationists make me crazy.
Crazy?
Good sir, I shall quote this to my family next xmas, and i shall be ostracized!
@@lukegriffith2590 I salute you
o7
😂😂
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
“Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD,
and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay:
for shall the work say of Him that made it, He made me not?
or shall the thing framed say of Him that framed it, He had no understanding?”
@@jeremias2975 Wait, so you’re telling me that the belief in god has nothing to do with wisdom, and that god is going to destroy the wise because their wisdom leads them to believe that god isn’t real? This might lead someone to the conclusion that the only way to believe in god is through faith and that there’s no science you can do or wisdom you can have that proves god. In other words, it is unwise to believe in god. In the next verse, it says that believing in god is so obvious that it’s like being pottery unaware of its creator. As a piece of pottery you might be led to believe that you were created because you can see the pottery wheel, and the craftsman’s tools. If the existence of god is so obvious, that means there must be some immediately observable and testable evidence that god exists. This would mean that you could know god through secular study and wisdom.
So which is it? Is god observable or is it impossible to interact with him? If we can use science to uncover the existence of god, what evidence is there supporting that claim. If god isn’t observable, why doesn’t he give us the resources to learn about his existence, when that knowledge is necessary in order to not experience torture in hell forever? Why did he make that rule? Also, why does god want to destroy wisdom? Wisdom brought about advances in medicine, carpentry, mental health, economics, and all sorts of ailments and issues we used to suffer from. Does god want us to suffer again, and why would a benevolent god want us to suffer?
Finally, why did you think quoting a phrase from the most defunct book in history to me was the most convincing course of action? I hope that you don’t think god wanted you to do it. That would be crazy.
Crazy?
People like Ken Ham don't make me GO CRAZY with the nonsense they say, they mostly just make me feel really really tired.
same lol
Once upon a time it did make me "go crazy," but after hearing the same crap again and again it just became noise
Us Brits have a good tradition of pointing and laughing. People like Ken Ham are why it’s good to point and laugh.
But without God, who hold up the sky?
Real question I was asked
@@LillyP-xs5qe almost confidently said it but i forgot atlas is kinda a god
"I suggest picking up chess to learn thinking ahead"
Savage
Such a good reply. Just amazing. i scrolled into the comments to find someone quoting him on that just cause :)
Everyone always forgets about go. Probably because of it's unintentionally ungoogleable name.
@@tjenadonn6158 If you're limited to one word maybe... "Go game" yields the intended results.
Also just helpful advice.
I would suggest connect 4 or tic tac toe.
Baby steps.
A good line I remember hearing is (paraphrasing) "I'm sorry that natural phenomenon don't conform to the human lifespan, that's not my problem"
Like, just because you can't witness the whole thing doesn't mean it's fake. I'm not gonna be around to see our star go red giant, but it's still gonna happen
That quote is from Professor Dave in his response to the Globebusters:
"I'm sorry that astronomical phenomena don't conform to your lifespan. It doesn't make them fake."
You can apply this to basically anything that AiG considers "historical science" which is just any science they don't like
"just because you can't witness the whole thing doesn't mean it's fake" can also be applied to biblical belief on origins.
@@jeremias2975 but everything else about the biblical creation myth is false and can be disproven by actual science and evidence
@@jeremias2975Same but not same. One is faith based and cannot be proved, the other is evidence based and can be proved.
@@michaelawford7325 No, it’s not possible to prove the age of the universe, of the Earth,
or of anything for which we don’t have measured data.
Without experimental measures, a theory for dating objects presumably of the far past can’t be tested for its validity.
So neither evolution nor millions of years can be proved.
Radiometric data is an untestable theory for the far past.
Evolution is a historical speculation, chosen by many unbelievers to try to justify their evil and foolish incredulity
(Psalm 14:1).
"Doubt everything. Assume nothing." Best advice for the crazy times we live in!
Science would ask the question, "are the times we live in any crazier than any other point in human history?" I doubt it :)
@@EricBurbeckDepends on how you define crazy but also we know more things happening at any given moment on the planet because of the Internet than ever before.
Trust in Jehovah for all times
This is better:
“Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.
Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD, and turn away from evil.
It will be healing to your flesh and refreshment to your bones.”
@@ucanliv4everTrust the deity that fails every single promise made on its behalf in its silly book, why?
I grew up a young earth creationist, and Ken Ham was one of the main sources of my “scientific” information. It’s taken years into my adulthood to know enough about evolution to realize how crazy I sounded as a kid back then reciting his words to people, thinking I was being smart and edgy. These videos have done a lot to help with that, and I’m glad people like Forrest exist.
Sameeee!
I can't imagine growing up with this stuff. Imagining myself parroting this gives me the heebs. I congratulate you on accepting reality!
Killian, don't worry too much about it. Even brilliant people still make mistakes and believe silly things. Newton spent years trying to transmute metals. Einstein's second greatest achievement, the gravitational constant, began as an attempt to disprove the Big Bang.
Excellent. Thank you for being open-minded.
@@skepticofdoom7486 Being condescending definitely isn't a good idea. OP didn't do anything wrong, they were just incorrect about something that at the end of the day didn't affect anyone else
I watched the Nye, Ham debate. When Bill was asked the question he said "good evidence"
I like what Tim Minchin said:
" Science adjusts it's view based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved. " 🇬🇧🇺🇸💜😇
I disagree with Tim Manchin, but only because faith can also be belief in the absence of observation. The way Manchin says it, it’s as though faith requires the avoidance of observation, but I think that simply lacking observation is sufficient whether or not you actually avoid observation.
The rest I wholeheartedly agree with: science (necessarily) adapts to newly observed facts, and faith (often) does not.
@@bhull242 Yeah, the 2nd part is just trying to cap a catchy quote, but which doesn't actually make sense.
@@kindlin
That’s the problem with soundbytes and catchy quotes, really: They’re easy to remember and understand, but they often lack important nuance.
@@kindlin the problem is 'faith' means different things to different people, and many people do use it the way Tim described it.
@@beverlywhitman303 Actively trying to deny the observable reality? What is that accomplishing? I guess besides letting them stay in their own little bubbles of I'm-right-you're-wrong. That's a very sad life.
Ken Ham saying matter can't create DNA when DNA is literally made out of atoms which are the building blocks of matter
The funny part is Ken Ham looks like the missing link for humans and apes lol
100% 🎉
As someone who was publicly grilled at 12 years old by several adults during bible class for telling a friend at school that I believed evolution could be true while they simultaneously worshipped this guy, seeing all the videos of him getting completely ripped apart is extremely cathartic
Yeah, unfortunately the logic that someone needs not be bullied into believing something that is true escapes many in authority
@@stevenswitzer5154That's how they learned, and they went on to do SO well in life, how could they POSSIBLY be wrong ?!
Goes along with the idea that therapy is for the insane, really. You can't even mention trauma to these people if it's related to the church in any way.
My wife's aunt was a member of a Methodist congregation most of whom apparently didn't believe the fact of Evolution. One of the quite prominently active members did not hod the common view, but she'd qualified as a member of Mensa. God bless her!
Evolution is a lie by Satan. Evolution is not logical at all. The theory of Evolution is basically saying that the physical realm can operate outside of the logical and natural laws. Which isnt true. Only Spirit can do that. I thought evolution was supposed to be science. Its not science though. It satanic, because its twisting the truth of creation. However the most important thing is that you believe in Jesus who died for you. Have a good day.
. Evolution isn't proven nor can it be, and never will it be proven during ANYONE'S LIFETIME, so everybody has to just live with it as a pure speculation. You'll never see monkeys pushing a human out, until then, evolutionists are deceptive and misinformed because they accept it as a fact without any proof, just fabricated and misinterpreted evidence.
I don't call myself evolutionist. I am calling myself a science accepting humanist that happen to be an atheist.
I am a houseist (belief that people should have a place to live) and also an aliveist (someone who believes people should stay alive)
i am a livist i believe that i am alive
I'm a Science accepting NT Quaker. This is fun!!
That's like calling yourself 'reality accepting' should be the default really.
@@internetidiot4206 As long as you understand that those things are beliefs.
I remember visiting this museum in youth group. We visited from Canada and I remember saying how amazing it was to FINALLY find a museum that had "Accurate" dates, of thousands of years not millions.
Looking back at it though is just crazy. I wasn't taught a single thing about science or evolution so of course I just blindly accepted these "facts." It wasn't until recently at the age of 27 I finally started looking into what the science actually says. Thanks so much for your videos, they've helped me so much.
Remarkable
That seriously seems on the verge of child abuse to me. How can they send kids out into the world believing such nonsense? It is like not teaching you maths, or how to write.
Thanks for reporting that there is hope.
For centuries religious groups have restricted or held back education. But each piece of scientific knowledge is now giving others the understanding and comprehension and therefore slowly overcoming the nonsensical creationist’s stance.
27!!! You are more open than most people I know of - to change something so fundemental at 27. Bravo, bravo!
"Believing in young earth, you must be nuts."
Ummm, yep.
Speaking of flat earthers, one posted a super-zoom video on UA-cam from a mountain viewpoint that showed the top of a skyscraper in a city about 80 miles away. There was a small ridge of hills obscuring the lower 3/4 of the tower.
I got out some topographical maps and trigonometry and used that video to calculate the circumference of the earth. My figure was off by 0.9%.
They turned off comments on the video.
It's never about seeking the truth with them. They just want to feel special, and you took that away from them with your facts and logic.
What UTuber? What Mountain viewpoint? What City Skyscraper? What was the curvature drop at 80 miles? What was your curvature formula of the Earth, per miles squared?
Lol, how would you do math like that though, I am curious of how complex math like that can get
I think Lucy's telling porky pies!
This is why I don't watch or respect videos that have the comments turned off. I bet that creator was thrilled when the dislikes went away.
As an Australian, I was shocked and embarrassed when I discovered that this guy is Australian.
In this country he’s a massive minority. It’s probably why he moved to the USA in the first place.
From all Australians, we’re sorry.
As an American, the list of people we should apologize for… is longer than I want to think about
Lol, as an Australian he's a "cooked cnt"
New Zealand is happy without ray comfort. Unfortunately these freaks tend to congregate in the USA
An Australian once told me that their country's scientists are all Young Earth Creationists who understand science while American scientists are all "delusional" atheists. I don't know if this is true but she seemed to believe that her country was better because everyone was Christian there.
Yes, we Australians must apologise for him. But please, please don’t send him back.
If they think dinosaurs lived with humans, then why don't we have cave paintings of dinosaurs?
Cave paintings came after the Flood, duh. /s
@@irenafarm so everyone stopped drawing specifically the dinosaurs, yet continued to draw other extinct animals for years after the flood?
We do have cave paintings of dinosaurs. We also have Dino’s carved in rocks and in ancient pottery. The biggest piece of evidence is soft dinosaur tissues in Dino bones. It proves they are less than 10,000 years old.
There are rock sculpture of dinosaur in Cambodia of dinosaur from 15th century.
@@surendirenparthasarathy9087 Citation needed and do they depict a real animal or just some mythical creature?
“I give this video THAT out of 10” 🤣🙌🏼💖
I give Forrest a 10 & Ken Hamstrung a -6000
@@TheTruthKiwi LOL
Today while sitting in Chicago Ohare airport, I saw a very familiar hairdo. Sure enough there was Forrest Valkai. Once I mustered the gumption to go say hello and tell him that I enjoyed his content, the dude let me sit with him and we talked about a dozen different topics for almost 2 hours. If anyone wonders if Forrest really is the guy he portrays online, I would testify that he very much is. Awesome dude and super easy to talk to. I was having an awful morning and in a couple hours my spirits had been lifted. Thanks for being awesome Forrest and safe travels.
ha ha ha! Is that a pompador? Or a finger-wave? Marcelled?
@@richiejohnson was for sure a noticeable feature lol.
You're a lucky bugger I would love to have such an opportunity.
I only came across Forest when he started on AE after Matt Dillahunty left. He is amazing, clever and patient with the caller's. His understanding and explanation of the process of evolution is amazing
Being personable is not a recommendation for believing in him. Time is not a god just because immensities of time are beyond anyone’s personal experience.
The most fun in science can be found in obtaining results that you didn't expect or hypothesise. It creates your next project for you. It's a gift that keeps on giving.
How can people believe in something as impossible as evolution?
Said by an adult that believes that a man and his wife built a giant wooden boat that then housed 2 of every species while the entire world was fludded by his God.
What a con man.
Not every species. the kind of the bible are gunuses
An actual scientist has concluded that a global flood did happen based on the evidence. If it's all the same to you I will take the word of someone who has actually got a college degree in the subject.
Ummm, no they didn't, that's 100% a lie.
Stop it, grow up
There were catastrophic floods, sure. World wide? Might have seemed that way to those people in those times, but uh, no.
Keep in mind a lot of Genesis in the Old Testament is just rehashed from earlier creation myths. Those creation myths have in them some reference or origin in real phenomenon. They simply attached supernatural importance and purpose and embellishment to them after the fact.
@@radikaldesignz Who told you that?
Did you just give this a science teacher “I’m not mad I’m just disappointed out of ten”?
he couldn't even bring himself to be dissapointed.
@@denverarnold6210
It was a "I'm not mad, just bored" out of ten.
i/10
It always makes me smile when Forrest releases a new video.
Forrest smiles are the best smiles
Especially when it's a reacteria video..
30, It always makes me smile when Forrest releases a new video.
lots pseudo science for sure.
FV should be writing scrip fot Spider man comics
Word
Partially for the huge knowledge dump from Forrest . . . but also partially for the intro music
ken ham is so embarrassing to me as an Aussie
He’s embarrassing to me as a human.
IT's so hard!! From time to time i also talk to people who.. are 'anti-science'
I do this because i am interested, how it's possible someone believes that type of nonsense, then i try to 'help' them.. to slap them out of it.. But it's near impossible and it's so hard to remain calm and not ridicule them, because whenever you do that, you push them deeper in their hole of bs. Only reinforcing their believes..
It's hard, i don't know what to do. But i do think we must keep the dialogue going, because when the communication stops, they go deeper in their rabbit hole. And then we have no connection with them, no bases to talk from.
"I'm right"
"How do you know this?"
"Well, if I wasn't right, I would be wrong! So, I could be wrong, but set that aside for a moment. If I'm not wrong, then I'm right, which means I'm right, because I'm actually right!"
"Sure thing buddy. Keep telling yourself that. And then you'll wake up all sweaty!"
Fucking lol 😂🤣
I'm going to buy that round earther shirt and YOU CAN'T STOP ME FORREST!!
He will hunt you down to the edge of the earth, just a warning.
@@voorindeklas To the edge of the universe. There is no escape.
@@voorindeklas No if he jumps over the ice wall.
@@Julian0101 He’ll just land on the turtle that’s holding Earth on its back
Someone stop them! No one tell them my merch store is www.bonfire.com/store/renegadescienceteacher/ !
Somebody should take care of grandpa. He's gettin' nuts.
"...I recommend you take up chess so that you can practice thinking ahead." 😆 Ouch.
Holy hell, "Take up chess so you can practice thinking ahead." Absolutely a gem of an insult, and I'm stealing it.
As an Australian, I sincerely apologise to all Americans for Ken Ham. I'm glad he left here, but sorry you got him. I wish he would try to sail his ark across the Pacific with his family and followers and see how far he gets.
You also gave us Hugh Jackman. Gotta take the good with the bad.
As a New Zealander I sincerely apologize that Ray Comfort managed to escape our tiny islands to Australia
If he tries to sail it from Peru to Polynesia, he won't even need a sail. It'll drift there in a few months. All they gotta do is NOT SINK.
I once saw or read of an Australian who was pleased that the US got the religious ones while Australians were sent there by judges as a punishment.
There's a science fiction story, "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Heinlein, which depends upon the Moon having been, like some of Australia, a penal colony.
@@angelikaopland7880 that's gonna be a problem. I'm pretty sure he only has half of a boat.
I would still love to see him put all of his faith (and all those that share his faith) in his god and set sail.
If they make it I'll join his cult, church. Same thing but, by the laws of semantics, one is culturally acceptable.
I’m a geologist, and actually the young earth arguments DO indeed make me crazy. Flat Earthers too. But I don’t legitimize them by seriously debating them, I’ve learned it isn’t worth my sanity to engage with utter ignoramuses that are completely impervious to facts and learning.
A serious debate about science with science rejectors by definition is impossible.
Evolution cannot be proven by the scientific method, which needs experiments that are doable in the present.
So it's only the favorite historical speculation of atheists.
A geologist should be able to see the evidences for the flood of Noah's times.
You mean people who require thier science contain the scientific method ? Yeah they would drive me crazy too if my profession had no scientific method behind it .
Maybe you should stop calling assumption and presumption science?
@@marknieuweboer8099You are the science rejecting psuedo scientist.
@ Heracles: so you scrolled back four month for two contentless comments? Now that's pathetic.
Ken Ham is making lots of money spreading misinformation and ignorance.
What he says makes me go crazy, not because he's dashed my entire world view with his stunning logic and reasoning, but because my brain refuses to believe a human can be this staggeringly stupid.
Ham or Forrest?
@@SMAB2007 take a guess
@@utes5532 ahh Ham then
@@SMAB2007 That's funny as hell
@@utes5532 Tough choice!!😂
"Incomprehensible amount of time" represented as impossible coming from someone who is promising us eternity?
Wait. WHAT?!
We Christians don't hide the fact that we are based on faith. People believing in evolution (a historical speculation disguised as scientific theory) do. And for the scientific method to be applied, we do need measurable quantities of time.
@@jeremias2975that is completely untrue though? Scientists follow evidence, they don’t expect anything good or bad from it. They don’t expect the evidence to be good or bad in any way. Faith requires the distinction between a bad thing and a good thing. And faith is to believe in something in hopes for something good to happen. But science is the simple act of finding the truth, they don’t care if the truth is bad or good just that the truth fits with the other bits of evidence. You know why scientists argue literally every day on what the truth is? It’s because they don’t have faith in their beliefs they argue and argue in hopes to challenge their ideas until they can’t anymore. Then the theory (which doesn’t mean guess it means a functioning idea of the nature of the universe) that is born from the argument is proven when they can’t disprove it any longer.
Also the entire point of the various methods of dating minerals and fossils are to measure the time. These methods are extremely accurate and many of them state that the world is far older than even 100,000 years. They do this by first measuring the rate of which an object changes, for example the amount of carbon 14 in a sample and its half life. And by calculating that rate they can find how old something is. That’s how we get our numbers, which is a lot more reliable than hearsay.
Hello @@TheVhangkhitha Every person is a person of faith. The question is, where is that faith?
When the Lord calmed the storm at the Sea of Galilee, he asked that question to His disciples:
The disciples “went and woke him, saying, “Master, Master, we are perishing!” And he awoke and rebuked the wind and the raging waves, and they ceased, and there was a calm.
He said to them, “Where is your faith?”
And they were afraid, and they marveled, saying to one another,
“Who then is this, that he commands even winds and water, and they obey him?”
The disciples thought that the calmness of the winds, the stillness of the sea, their skill or the durability of their ship where aspects of greater importance to their survival and benefit than the very presence of the Lord.
They soon were able to see that was not the case.
Lord Jesus used that crisis to teach them and all of us this valuable lesson.
“It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.
It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in princes.”
Lord Jesus is the truth (John 14:6).
Science has a limited area of applicability.
Even currently useful (precise in their predictions), tested scientific theories should never be presumed to be the absolute truth, for conditions can always vary and entire paradigms may need to be changed with the advent of new data.
Science is just a method to test theories on measurable physical or chemical objects and phenomena against experiments that are doable many times in the present in controlled conditions.
The validity of this method is dependent on the presence, quantity and quality of measures,
it needs a list of numbers expected by the theory and another list of numbers collected from the experiments,
to compare results and see if the theory we are testing is precise, has too much of an error or is mistaken to the point of uselessness.
Such method is inadequate for approaching someone who can’t be measured, such as God.
He is the one who teaches knowledge to men:
“He that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?”
We cannot know if the dating methods are any good when applying them for a long time ago because we don’t have experiments on them for that kind of timeframe.
If the dating method says something has 20.000 years, what proof do we have to know that to be the case?
Has any human been alive that much time to give testimony of that? No. Can we measure the age of the universe? No.
We can’t know if the processes we measure today were stable in the past or were very accelerated or decelerated.
Untested theories and historical speculations such as the theory of evolution are not science,
for they are not a product of the scientific method.
The word of God warns us about fake “science”:
“keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.”
Radiometric dating methods are untested theories for the far past, and therefore lack any scientific credibility and usefulness for that. Atheists love to incorrectly apply them for the far past so they can believe evolution is true so Genesis is not true and therefore reinforce their false sense of security and impunity.
If Genesis is not true - they think - maybe Judgment Day and hell are also not true!
But that’s not the case. Judgment Day is coming and Genesis is true, because it is part of the word of God, acknowledged by Lord Jesus when He confirmed the existence of Abel son of Adam:
“on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.”
Forrest i’ve just found your channel and i already have watched every video multiple times. I’ve never enjoyed some random internet guys presence so much. you could make a video of pure silence for an hour and id watch it more than once.
I found a new "button" if you want to press it to drive the Creationists bonkers. When they talk about the age of rocks being less than the measurements we come up with. Ask them exactly what measurement method they use? You'll get "crickets".It's almost more fun than should be "legal".
I always love the whole "you don't see animals turning into OTHER animals today!" thing as if they think evolution works the same in real life as it does in fucking Pokemon
I think he doesn't understand the very basics. Although I don't get what is hard to understand there. It's not the individual animal that is suddenly changing, but it's descendant being slightly different in some aspect.
And the processes observable to us are many times influenced by us I think, because we are changing the environment or experimenting with crossing and breeding and what not. But seeing that a chihuahua descended from a wolf it's not difficult to understand that also changes can happen over time that are not managed by humans.
@@kadda1212 exactly, and what really blows my mind is the people who believe in microevolution. Like you believe small changes can happen over a small period of time but don't believe that all adds up to big changes over large periods of time like ?????
@@kadda1212 I don't think that he WANTS to understand the basics. He said it himself - there is nothing that could change his mind.
So when he thinks of evolution, he deliberately puts out this idea about "pokemon transformations" to be able to think that it is all just silly nonsense, calm himself down and continue to "spread faith". He does not want to look further. No. It would shatter all of his beliefs.
The thing is religious people generally use god/creation to explain anything their tiny brains don’t understand.
It’s actually pathetic.
insanely underrated comment
"Even my spell check knows. When it finds 'creationism ', it recommends 'cretinism '."
lol
nope, as an evolutionist I didn't go crazy
7:39 - this is pivotal point that needs to be stressed, not just in science, but in the political realm, as well. People who have been indoctrinated into a cult always approach an argument from the only perspective they’re capable of having: that everyone else must also be a cult. They can’t conceive of people not being singularly and unconditionally devoted to something. So they need to frame their argument as, “Your God is X. Your cult is Y.”
I believe we call that projection?
The very concept of truth excludes everything else as lies. For me it makes sense that if God exists, He would present Himself and His message as true and denounce every other “god” as false. This is what Jesus said:
“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.”
“I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit,
for apart from me you can do nothing.”
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me.
If you had known me, you would have known my Father also.
From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
@@jeremias2975 Maybe, or maybe not, who knows if God cares about making his voice spread.
Then again, if he really cared, he surely should act less mysterious.
@@Dexuz It is better for you if He is invisible and mysterious,
because in your current state you would be destroyed by His holy presence:
“as wax melts before fire, so the wicked shall perish before God!” - Psalm 68:2
“For the LORD, the Most High, is to be feared, a great king over all the earth.” - Psalm 47:2
Honestly, Ham was my first intro into biological science. It was all I was allowed. Now I research my own scientists to learn from and I shudder at what I used to have as ‘evidence’ and ‘proof’. Yes, I believed it back then. I didn’t know better. Now I do.
You deserve a great compliment.
Good for you. It’s an impressive accomplishment and you should be proud of yourself for it.
Your parents should be arrested for child abuse.
Good that your learned to think for yourself 👌 we need more people like you but science isn’t easy and many people don’t like things that aren’t easy so they rather stay sheeps because that’s easy
Yup harmful stuff and it never seems to go away completely
I just realized that I'm eating smoked ham while watching Forrest roasting ham.
Huh, what a coincidence.
Sending the pure love as a friend for this video Thank You ❤🎉
Love Forrest’s coffee mug, I wear a t-shirt with the same slogan on all my oncology visits.
Another great breakdown of creation silliness. Every time I hear a creationist trying to make their argument, all I can hear is a song from my childhood. "The wheels on the bus go round and round".
Except now it’s “The Logic on the Argument Goes Round and Round”
the wheels do go round and round though
That's what makes the bus advance in a direction
Not a very good metaphor
edit: "example" -> "metaphor"
They took weird Al literally when he said dare to be stupid
So Sean you think it is silly to believe that this universe bares the fingerprints of a superior being/ therefore you believe that this universe just sprang into existence with no purpose and fortunately after billions of years life arose from inanimate matter but not only that it continued to evolve , without guidance to what we have today. I cant buy it.
@@wendelljenkins3911 no.
You look first at what's presented to you, and then you make inferences about what the source of those things were.
It's not that weird, you know?
What's presented to you?
You open your eyes, and you look outside.
What do you see?
The world is.
After a while you stil see something.
What do you infer?
The world was.
After another while you cans ee that the world will also "be".
And on and on it goes.
At no point in this process does a "metaphysical superior to everything being that created the universe" come into view.
What does come into your vision is the little things, procesess, etc that make up the world around you.
Maybe you should follow what you can see and smell and touch and feel, instead of what your mind can produce as a response to those things?
I’d like to point out real quick that the religious don’t get their beliefs from scripture (at least not Christians). They draw faith from a personally fulfilling story they tell themselves (which is not dependent on scripture). “There is secret truth about the world and I am special for knowing it”, “there is a higher power and I am superior for worshiping it”, “there is order to the world and I am loved by its creator” The reasons that story speaks to them depends on the person.
When scripture contradicts the story, they quietly ignore those parts, focusing instead on the parts that affirm the story.
Understand: to some end this is how everyone absorbs and processes information. It’s just that part of science is training yourself to very carefully dissect and examine what goes into that narrative and why, and not even all scientists are always great at it all the time. Knowing these things does not make you immune to the phenomenon and you aren’t better than anyone else.
Edit: as this comment grows more popular I just wanted to clarify some things and ward off the asshole atheists. A thankless task, I know.
"there is order in the world and I am loved" was my temporary god while trying to find my own reason to live. Ironically I found my purpose in the non-meaning of my existence
Exactly! Most of the time somebody has already constructed a belief system from sources of information even they couldn't name, and then cherry-pick the Bible (or other compatible source) for confirmation.
"Nooooooo! My religion isn't wrong because the main core is demonstrably false! It's because you don't have faith to understand is actually metaphor! Something that we had to think around when the evidence was so much against our main believes that we had to move the goalpost to say that we accept evolution even if we are still creationist! It's a metaphor! Nooooo!"
I am not sure Ken Ham was ever born because I can not go back in time to watch it and I was not there! 😂
Yup. Don't forget that the family tree contains many missing links. I maintain that all creationists were found in cauliflowers by storks and brought by them to their cradles. They're aliens.
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scientifically, did anyone ever SEE his parents having sex to create a human being who looked exactly him? no? then i simply cannot believe it happened
As a former Young-Earth creationist, it IS possible (albeit improbable) to break free.
Nice job, from a fossil hunter who minored in paleo many years ago. This is important work, thanks.
I have a funny story about Ken Ham. Some years ago, _Answers in Genesis_ put up their list of "baramin", the supposed Biblical "kinds", with photos and short descriptions. These classifications corresponded more or less with scientific families, and were obviously ripped off of the work of real scientists, not the result of "creation scientists" doing "research". A sharp eyed friend of mine noticed, however that the photo of the "sugar glider" kind (a wonderful Australian marsupial that looks and lives like the placental flying squirrels) was not of a real sugar glider, but of a stuffed toy. Obviously, Ken (or one of his underlings) just googled "sugar glider" and didn't look closely. Oops. My friend promptly posted this story about Ken's "plushy kind" on several debunking sites, and the photo at _AiG_ was replaced within a day by a real sugar glider. Did they apologize for or even mention the mistake? You can guess for yourself.
To Ken's credit (strange to say that), he is at least not a flat Earther, and _AiG_ has an actually pretty good debunking of it at their site. Baby steps.
cheers from rainy Vienna, Scott
As someone who grew up in the evangelical church, I used to just nod my head to the stuff he said, cause that is what I was told to believe. Now that I am able to think for myself, listening to Ken Ham hurt my brain. Thanks for the video, Forrest. Also, I am really enjoying your evolution series 👍
Ken Ham is correct, because no one's ever going to convince him that his beliefs are not true, therefore, that proves he's correct because he'll never accept his interpretation could be wrong. Checkmate atheists.
How did you make that change. What made an Evangelical Christian begin "begin to think for yourself"? How can we spread what you have? I fear that what you have, is not contagious enough.
@@chrisgraham2904 it didn't happen overnight, and didn't happen until just a couple years ago (I am in my mid 30's). The pandemic, and how so called "Christians" responded and treated people made me start to rethink a lot of things, especially since I am a COVID long-hauler. My wife and I have been going through the deconstruction process together, and it is so liberating.
@@1986krazy Keep questioning everything and seeking the truth that is validated with evidence. Your on the right path. Reality is a beautiful place to live.
@@1986krazy: "a COVID long-hauler"
Hi Alex. I'm unfamiliar with that term, and I feel like it could mean more than one thing.
This content is so needed as I feel our society is regressing in critical thought not in small part due to the internet. Thanks Forrest!!!
The internet is a double-edged sword for sure.
The Idiocracy movie increasingly seems like more of a prediction than entertainment.
Speak for yourself. Very few believe this now compared to 50 yrs ago.
@@Bareego
That in conjunction with a Handmaids Tale.
The internet allows you to only get the information you want and already agree on because of suggestive search's, also it allows them to make and find a community that think like them.
Perfect video that maturely handles this topic! I wish I was as open minded and understanding about what evidence is and how science works as a process, tool, to gain knowledge in an unbiased fashion.
I would've gotten really technical with that shirt and say "I'm a sphere earther" 😂
Then some other dude one ups your with an "Oblate Spheroid Earther" shirt. Where does it end?
Going to Ken Ham for science education is like going to Alex Jones/InfoWars for an accurate view of reality.
Ha!
I thought you were gonna say Sandy Hook 🤣
@@AD-dg3zz sandy hook isn't the only thing info wars got wrong, not by a long shot.
They're the same picture
There's probably some overlap in those two groups of people lol
Creationists also freak out when science changes. Because they don't understand that evidence based logic process. I remember feeling this way because I thought their belief system was shattered and they just moved on to what the new evidence showed.
It's hard when all you know is faith. Took me years to reconstruct the way I digested information and ever changing science.
They don't understand as far as indoctrinated kids go. But at some point in your life, there's a point where you have to choose blind faith or scepticism.
Most adults don't _want_ to understand. That's the issue with evangelical people.
I should add that it still takes an enormous amount of effort and I applaud you for doing the most logical choice.
I can only imagine how hard it was, especially when that probably meant arguing with a part of your family.
Bravo. I don't know if you're still a believer, but to me it seems you found more enlightenment by being true to yourself and following that doubt you felt then. So. Well done.
Thinking in terms of process instead of everything being a set way works better for some people than others. Conservatives tend toward authority.
@@GreyPunkWolf "I should add that it still takes an enormous amount of effort and I applaud you for doing the most logical choice." I seriously doubt you yourself are willing to "do" the most logical choice.
@Aron Gladden what? So if someone tells me the sky is jello and I disagree, I'm the one that's wrong? Hahhaha ok buddy!
People like Ken Ham deeply disturb me. They’ve basically locked their minds in a single state, unable to adapt or update their knowledge and beliefs, and because of this they never change: they never deploy new strategies or try to look at the problem at different angles, they just keep using the same preprogrammed responses indefinitely. They’re like robots that, instead of opening a closed door, keep walking into it over and over ad Infinitum. They’ve basically turned themselves into mindless machines, incapable of anything outside their very narrow programming. It’s terrifying to think that a person can be reduced to such a lowly and inhuman state
They have basically locked their minds! Hmmm... that is an accurate assessment of atheistic mindsets also.Creationists don't have the patent to such a claim. For instance: Atheists claim abiogenesis in an explanation as to the origin of life. Then when they are questioned on evolution,they claim that abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution. Wow! And I do mean,wow! That is like trying to count from one to any number but saying that one has nothing to do with it 😅. In order for something to have evolved there had to have been a genesis. So... speaking of locking their minds ____! You know the rest.
If one believes in God as the eternal Creator, perfect and stable like a rock, then it’s no longer necessary to update beliefs.
“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.”
“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone. This is the LORD's doing; it is marvelous in our eyes.”
“Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.”
@@jeremias2975 If one believes in Almighty Happenstance as the eternal Creator, perfect and stable like a rock, then it’s no longer necessary to update beliefs.
@@jounisuninen God is perfect, stable and just, the Creator of the universe (Psalm 24:1-2).
Chance cannot be perfect, stable or just, because it's chaotic - if we could talk about pure chance, for in reality even chance is under God’s authority (Proverbs 16:33).
Chance cannot produce designs. If you could sit and watch a trillion tornadoes move matter for a trillion years, you wouldn’t see the creation of a wristwatch, the creation of an F-22 Fighter jet, or the creation of a car. The very chaotic nature of the forces prevents the creation of designs.
Now, a single bacteria is far more complex, intelligently designed and full of information than wristwatches, cars, planes or any human design, and also it’s alive, while we can’t create life through all our artificial means. Nature was created by the Lord, and we are part of God’s creation.
“Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves” - Psalm 100:3
@@jeremias2975Where is the selection pressure for the matter to become cars and jets in your analogy? Can the matter reproduce and survive the tornadoes easier if it is in the form of a vehicle, therefore giving it a better chance of passing down that design to its offspring? (with small mutations every generation that are selected for again, becoming more prevalent in the future population if it can survive and reproduce more thanks to the mutation, which is evolution and genetics.) You wouldn't see complex design from complete randomness, because you've placed the goalpost on objects that 1) aren't alive and cant reproduce 2) have no selection pressure 3) their purpose doesn't even match what they're being selected for (because it's complete randomness). A watch without a watchmaker is such a flawed analogy, and something Forrest's channel covers multiple times, you should stick around for more videos.
I grew up with religion, but found biology and chemistry a fascinating focus in terms of reality vs mysticism. I always studied for the highest score in class and proud of my degree. I really connect with your critical thinking process and thoughtful comments. UA-cam, enables many individuals to privately tune in to your interesting videos and comments.
Ken Ham's teaching is what my teachers at school would teach. I never learnt about evolution properly until a few years ago. I'm over 30 now. Thanks Forrest Valkai
My beliefs are correct because no one will ever convince me that my interpretation is wrong, therefore my interpretation is the correct one. Got all that?
@@uncleanunicorn4571 yep, that's how it went. My school and family taught all of the bible as if it were history.
I'm glad you were able to come out of that OK 🙂 Where did you go to school?
@@Fomites Oxley college, a Christian school in Victoria.
@@reylann2965 Which Victoria? Australia?
Thank you for the great content, Forrest. You are a gem!
Shie
Bro didn’t even give you a like for this lmao
@@Choink2558 right? Lol. Tbf, he probably doesn't even read comments. I still enjoy his content regardless.
No regerts.
@@VintageDerby problably doesnt check the comments because thats rule one of the internet, especially for covering topics like this for some reason
@@thatonejester3387 he got bored of the comment so he only check the ones that was posted soon as the video was posted so he doesn't know the donation
i know what it like to be a youtuber
I loathe when people say, "I believe in evolution." I don't have to "believe" in evolution, because I can cite evidence that convinces me that evolution exists.
Loathe is a bit strong, but yeah, I think it quire silly.
If you can disprove evolution, turn in your paperwork and collect your Nobel Prize.
"Let's set that aside for a second"
There is juicy irony, in Ken's misrepresenting when he's going to misrepresent when the universe was created.
The symmetry is
My interpretation is correct, because no one's ever going to convince me that my beliefs are wrong. Therefore, that proves my interpretation is true. Got all that?
AIG blocked me on Twitter back in 2016.
They had np with my ridiculing them and their posts for months. They blocked me 5 min after I posted Ken Ham's claim that attendance was soaring, and I included a picture of their bearly-empty parking lot.
Man you are the best ,hugs from Lafayette Indiana USA
When your chosen holy book doesn't reflect proven reality... which is easier to change?
People like Ken Hamm is the reason why you need to be careful who you take spiritual guidance from.
I think what religion has been proving for a long time now is that you should never take spiritual guidance from anyone who provides "spiritual guidance" for a living...or even as a side hustle. Sort of the opposite of where you should get scientific info.....
Spiritual guidance is for to not get mad 😂 n be able to be calm n more reasonable n wellbalanced...
Btw, we are what we think... 😉 our brains work like that :))
Try education , not imaginary beings ! It works much better
@@Nathan0420 Exactly that. Just don't seek spiritual guidance at all.
If you need God because you fear death or because you don't know the purpose of life or something like that, that's fine I guess, but even in that case it's much healthier to deal with those issues on your own and not by appealing to the supernatural.
Religion has, at least in my opinion, no place in our modern educated world.
Everybody, because spiritual guidance is 'feel good' woo
Creationists equating science to faith and religion is just an admission how bad they are. That they don't get it, is what I don't get.
Ikr y waste time on these idiots? Focus on da children
@@mistylover7398 That's what Forrest and co. try to do along with educating reasonable parents to let go of fiction.
They wouldn’t be dogma without the doggedly stupid.
@@Soapy-chan_old ohhh 😐
@@Soapy-chan_old "fiction" Ironically referring to your magical taking ape ancestors lmao
Sorry about Ken Ham. As a baby he was carried in a Kangaroo's pouch. Unfortunately he fell out, and fell down a rocky slope, suffering severe brain damage.
Aw, you mean I just missed the cutoff for having a dinosaur as a pet?
Hey Forrest! Just wanna add my voice to the "I appreciate what you're doing" choir! I struggled to learn about evolution and biology in highschool and even a bit in college mostly cuz I have a hard time retaining information in a typical classroom setting. So having entertaining videos like this one and LoE that I can come back to and pick up new info from almost every time is really helping me remember some of this stuff and maybe even consider taking up classes again, hopefully in a way that accommodates my learning style.
Thanks again, man, and can't wait for Episode 3!
I want so badly for you to find a reacteria-worthy video that's above a 5 on the challenge level, I feel like that'd be so entertaining!
Maybe some of Jimmy “Dave can’t read papers” Tour’s content or any of the other DI frauds
Good luck, The atheist experience tried to get theist to call them and give them their best argument for more than 25 years, EVERY week end ! Always fail.
So much, that I'm incline to think it no argument exist AT ALL. A bit due to 'fallacy of popularity".. but if you take the 'Kevin Bacon game of 6 degree of separation' we can conclude that NO ONE has a good argument, because if ANYONE on earth had it, it would had tell someone, who would have told someone etc ... and if it was a really good one, any apologetic that would have heard of it would have made sure to use it everywhere and tell every friends ! And over 25 years it would have come up 100s of times.
that is impossible...unless a God came down and said 'Hey Assholes...I'm real' and we all saw it, then a 5 challenge is literally impossible for them to make
It probably wouldn't come from creationists that's for sure.
I appreciate your videos. Just saved your series you mentioned to my watch later. I've been to his museum, I've been to talks with him, I was in that group. I know it's hard for those who never believed in young earth to understand how anyone believes it but when that is what you are taught, when you are taught the bible is literal, that the creation story there is true, it's hard to break away from, when you are taught that scientists lie, when they who you around, it's hard not to believe it. It's hard to break away. It hard to rethink how you have always thought. But we can break away, we can start questioning and see the lies that are pushed and start seeing the truth that science proves.
Brilliant post. Well done, it must have been tough. I think it is difficult for all of us who were raised in a religious home. Even when you know you don’t believe, it still nags, proving if you out this shit into young minds, it takes effort to overcome it. Enjoyed your post.
I like how Ken thinks getting told "youre wrong" is somehow movking him
He just instinctively knows that everything he says is deserving of mockery.
Cave paintings have been aged to over 40,000 years old, even if they are only 6,000 years old they don't ever depict dinosaurs, go figure,.
BUT in the fairy tale they mentioned a big monster once!
I had sworn off videos like these, and it's been so long I had forgotten how irrationally angry a shill deceiving vulnerable people makes me. I still watched it through, I think your method of responding is quite clever, I just couldn't do this as a career myself.
Creatard: 'Duh, I can't see grass growing therefore it's not growing duuuuuhhhhhh'.
I measured the speed of light (technically the length of a meter, not c) in my microwave with a bit of chocolate and a ruler.
I got surprisingly close to the actual value. (Instructions below)
1)If you have a rotating plate in the microwave you'll need to remove it. You'll want to lay down wax paper/parchment/plate or you'll have to clean afterward.
2)Using something that melts at a relatively low temperature such as chocolate or cheese (both grated), make a strip left to right. It doesn't have to be tall, just enough to show melting
3)Run the microwave until you see lines melting into your chocolate/cheese road
4)Use a ruler to measure the center of one melt line to the center of the next. This is half a wavelength of the microwave photons
5)Look on the back of the microwave and you should find the frequency it uses (should be around 2.5 Ghz)
6)Multiply the half-wavelength you measured by 2 to get the full value
7)Multiply that full-wavelength by the frequency of your microwave*
You have now measured the speed of light. In a microwave. With chocolate.
*{c = 2 * half-wavelength * Microwave Frequency}
that’s kinda wild how you can do that 😭😭
I might do this cheers
We're not able to measure the speed of light. But creative thinking like the OP comment is very necessary in the field of science. Not only to get people interested, but with so many unknowns classic ways simply are not effective. So really honestly respect your ways!
Forrest, you are a great scientist. Your content makes everything even more fun to learn than usual!
Forrest is a funny guy, true. Nothing scientific in him, though.
Regarding "going berserk" at people believing in a young Earth: there is generally no issue with someone not understanding certain branches of science (although denying it is not great). BUT this is a rather significant and frustrating problem when that person is actively and publicly trying to argue against that science, not to mention making a career out of that. If someone is getting on a stage and actively misrepresenting science while trying to indoctrinate others into rejecting science, one can certainly justifiably get upset at that.
Yup, someone being a YEC, I tend to feel bad for them or roll my eyes.
But when I see them tryin to actively harm children by dumbing them down, and profiting off of their lies, especially after they've been corrected over and over again, then that does annoy me. But not exactly make me go berserk.
the problem i see you have is that its scientists that misrepresent science. The JWST images have suggested that the accepted timeline of our planet is not actually accurate. The models you have used to determine the age of Earth are not accurate lmao
@@exposingelites8471 Yes, certainly you personally and/or some random person who's read a 2000-year-old book is much more likely to understand high-level physics than people who've studied physics for decades and have done countless physics experiments (and similarly for biology, and geology, and all the other fields that have independently determined and verified the age of the Earth and the universe).
Do you at least apply that consistently?
- Do you live in a house designed by yourself or some random person who's read a 2000-year-old book, or by someone who's studied architecture?
- If you break your arm, do you treat yourself or go to some random person who's read a 2000-year-old book, or do you go to someone who's studied medicine?
- Is the electronic device you're using right now designed by yourself or some random person who's read a 2000-year-old book, or by someone who's studied engineering?
I'm guessing you trust that experts know best and rely on them when it comes to basically everything else, but _obviously_ you know better when it comes to physics, biology, geology and astronomy. But presumably also only in the areas where it contradicts your existing beliefs - curious, that.
@@exposingelites8471 Can you support that? Because a lot of the stuff I hear about JWST photos debunking things tends to be, well, misrepresenting what the scientists have actually said.
There is a direct correlation between believing in a young earth and wearing a red hat to a campaign rally.
Time to update the saying to be 'as mad as a red hatter'.
That Venn diagram is a single circle
So people who believe in evolution voted for President Poop Pants and you think that makes evolution look cool?
Not voting for Trump doesn't automatically mean "voted for Biden".@kennethrussell1320
@@LAkadian That's true but it doesn't do anything to help get rid of the old dotard.
40% is about the number of Trump supporters.
Maybe 30
Nah... I'm a "Trump supporter" and I know Ken Ham and all his ilk, are bat sh*t crazy!
I love the text message analogy. "I'm just slightly more disappointed than I was a second ago." Classic.
I love learning about biology. Which is why it’s so weird that UA-cam gave me no notice that you’ve already uploaded two videos in the light of evolution series. Finishing this video, then I’m starting those two!
If Ken Ham wishes to see a Glimpse of Heaven I suggest he'd play No Mans Sky on pc.
"You have to convince people in an incomprehensible amount of time..."
Oh, kinda like the incomprehensible idea that "God" has always existed and will always exist? That kind of time, Ken?
My Fan-fiction of the Earth's history is canonically accepted because my Fan-fiction of the Earth's history says its true.
Ken, the reason people ask you about the age of the earth and the universe is because your answers to these questions are soooooo funny.
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I have once been told that the extreme livespans of the old testaments' protagonists are because of different time units. They all died at a normal age if you translate these units into years.
I am a high school Biology teacher, but my MS in Biology degree is Ecology, Behavior and Evolution from UCSD. I had a fellow teacher's daughter in my class and they were very religious. During the evolution unit the daughter told her mother, if what my bio teacher says is true about evolution, then the bible is wrong. Luckily, her mother took her to their clergyman and he gave her a book by Ken Ham, "Answers in Genesis". Crisis averted! I only hope that I cracked open the door and a little light spilled into this young girl's mind. But boy was the mother relieved. The kicker? The mother said to me on more than one occasion, "You are so nice, just like a christian!"
How do scientists calculate how old the earth is?
@@notyourtypicalcomment2399 uranium-lead radiometric dating of samples from the Earth, the moon, and solar system meteorites.
@@eeHMFIC but the thing is whether it’s that or counting the rings on a tree or carbon dating, if someone reads the Bible, God created a mature earth, same way he created a mature man he didnt create man in baby stage, obviously rocks, trees animals and human have different lifespan, the point is everything God created was already mature, the “age” is really the stage of the thing because when he made the trees in Genesis it already had all the rings of a mature tree, same with rocks and stars, the sun he made is a fully functioning mature sun, same as man, same as the earth.
@@notyourtypicalcomment2399 ever heard of LastTuesdayism? They believe that everything was created last Tuesday. All the stars in their exact stage of life, every beam of light sailing across the cosmos, every rock in the solar system, every human on Earth, and every memory in your mind, including events before last Tuesday. This is supported by their sacred scripture.
Now I don't believe in what they claim, but I ask you: how is what you're stating substantially different?
@@eeHMFIC there’s no they that believe, that’s just ppl who rather than try to reason with ppl of a different view, try resort to being somewhat condescending, like ppl who say well what if I believe in the flying spaghetti monster, u cant say that’s not true. It’s a way to oversimplify a person’s beliefs, I can call that yesterdayism if I wanted, because when God made man, there was a next day, so Adam was only a day old but a fully grown man, but thats not a belief no one believes that everything was started last week.
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"“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” ― Christopher Hitchens (1949-2011) British American atheist, author, journalist, philosopher; "Ignorance is a poor tool in a battle of wits." - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), 3rd President of the US, 2nd VP of the US, 1st Secretary of State of the US, 2nd Governor of Virginia, 2nd Minister to France, Virginia Delegate to both Continental Congresses, Author of the Declaration of Independence; "The most preposterous notion that Homo sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history." - Robert A. Heinlein, (1907-1988) LtJG, US Navy, Author
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