The Metal Gear Solid 3 Remake (Might) Suck...
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2023
- Metal Gear Solid Remake leaks circling around whenever a new gaming event is on the horizon is as common as it gets. But this time, it's real: Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater. As a former massive Metal Gear fan, I figured I'd give my two cents on the mere idea of remaking a game as massive and significant as MGS3, and what it would be like remaking a lot of Metal Gear games, while I am it.
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They're doing what I think should be mandatory when remaking a game and making the original available on current hardware so if it blows oh well. And so far from what it seems it's gonna be a 1-1 remake so that gives me hope
I'm surprised that Konami is doing better than Capcom in that regard
@@the_pentah00k58 Yes. RE4 is more reimagined than remake. I wanted the 1:1 remake.
What I read from the PlayStation announcement was it’s going to be as close to the original as possible, mainly focusing on graphics, controls, and music (licensing issues that come with almost every msg game)
@@relu419 I was talking about how Capcom hasn't released ports of classic RE 2 & 3
@@the_pentah00k58 I know. It's more a connection + this: "1-1 remake so that gives me hope".
From loving the games, referring them to a “pinnacle” of gaming to not liking them much anymore. Very radical change of opinion in such a short timespan.
I think all of us would like to know your expanded thoughts as to why that is.
Cause the gaming industry is fuckin TRASH.. sooo little good games have come out in the past 3 years nothin but remakes..
MSGV part 2 with chapter 3 and a bit more build up for operation interlude
seconded
yes id like to aswell because it sems people either love or hate metal gear. i never had someone love it and then just stop lol
I cannot speak for anyone else but I can relate to going from seeing MGS as the pinnacle of gaming to not liking them much anymore.
I used to be absolutely obsessed. MGS planted the seed for my obsession, and I loved MGS2 so much that I considered it my favorite game of all time. I also loved MGS3. For years, pretty much all of my conversations with friends included MGS quotes and voiceover imitations. When MGS4 came out I was in a really rough place in my life, a week away from being homeless, and I didn't have a PS3. I preordered and bought MGS4 anyway and rented an HDTV, playing through that game twice in the very stressful last week of having a place to live. I say all that just to illustrate, to some extent at least, my prior obsession with the series.
Something happened though. It's hard to explain, but fastforward by the time Ground Zeroes came out, I just couldn't be bothered to care much. I played the demo. I haven't played Phantom Pain at all, nor have I felt compelled to. I was content watching the cutscenes on UA-cam, but they pretty much verified to me that my love for MGS wasn't really a thing anymore.
I don't have any interest in replaying the old ones either, not now anyway, even MGS2. Maybe at some point I will. Part of that is simply probably because I overplayed them in the past. I can't imagine ever sitting through all the cutscenes and codec conversations in any of those games again, though skipping cutscenes used to be absolutely blasphemous to me. Those games are full of brilliant ideas, but those ideas are so ingrained in me now that I am numb. I think I always had some awareness that they were kind of poorly-paced games with bloated narrative, but what worked about it made the pros far outweigh the cons.
Last time I tried to play MGS4 really showed me how much my perception I changed. It was a chore for me to get through. I didn't even find the writing to be that good, though I ate it up like a cat going wild on treats the first time around. I would go so far as to call MGS4 a bad game now, which makes me sad, because you already know what it meant to me back when it came out.
I don't know. I think we all grow differently. Sometimes we grow in different directions from what we used to love. Sometimes life changes our priorities. Sometimes we burn ourselves out irrevocably.
To me, this MGS3 remake looks bad. It isn't even that I ride Kojima's "d" anymore; I used to worship the chair he farted in, but those days are long behind. But everything from the cinematography in the trailer to Snake's character design just seems really generic to me. This isn't gonna be what gets me back into MGS, that's for sure.
I'm just happy to have Metal Gear on modern consoles. Even if this remake doesn't turn out great, they're still porting the first 3 Solid games to Steam and modern consoles, so at least we have that. It's a win-win. Good on Konami for providing the option.
I don't remember it being confirmed whether the Master Collection was actually coming to Steam or not.
@@classydoctor5864 In the developer's message on the Master Collection website they said "modern platforms". Plural. But maybe im just being hopeful. If its really only Playstation, then that's ass.
I still play the HD collection on my vita.
If they don’t heavily censor the originals
@@nyfinest487 Thats where I play it usually
If there's one game that Konami should be 'remaking,' it's the original Metal Gear game from the early 90's. They formed the core of the series' story going forward, especially with the shadow of Big Boss hanging over his cloned sons in MGS 1 and 2. Those games being as old as they are have no real expectations attached to them and would allow them a tremendous amount of development freedom while marketing them as entirely new games.
If the original MSX Metal Gear won’t be getting a remake anytime soon, there’s the next best thing:
“Intrude N313, Target Designate: TX-55” by MaskedSongbird is a fanfic novelization of the original game that serves as the origin story for Solid Snake.
So far, the story is intriguing as it felt more in line with the Solid games’ expositions of military science and the political spectrum at the time of the game’s events were set in.
It expands on Snake’s younger days as a recruit and shows how a little different he was compared to the Solid games. I’m curious as to how he develops into the icon he would become.
The story is currently ongoing with updates taking awhile to wait for. So, it covers the events that led to the original game such as Snake’s early days in Foxhound and then finally the mission itself. This may test you patience if you’re not into that but I believe it will be worth it. Not to mention there some continuity nods to the prequel games that doesn’t feel tacked on and is instead organic.
The link to this novelization can be found in AO3:
archiveofourown.org/users/MaskedSongbird/pseuds/MaskedSongbird/works?fandom_id=28625
@@marcoa6319 no
@@marcoa6319 I fully believe that they will at some point remake them. MGS3 remake is just their testing ground because it's simpler to remake, has a much bigger following when it comes to how people view that story as Kojima's best work along with just how much the game throws at you that you can use in a myriad of ways. The only scary thing about a 1:1 remake and not modernizing some of the gameplay is unlike other 1:1 remakes of classic platformers is the gameplay is controls are simple. MGS3's controls are really hard to figure out. Not I was expecting them to give us MGS5 combat then like J says you will run into the twin snakes problem even though I think many would love a MGS3 remake that got the resident evil treatment. We know that is not what they are doing.
By having MGS3 as this blueprint, having all the things that the original had but just a couple of improvements to play more like a modern game. They will not frustrate new comers and they will have a choice to make. They can do this with MGS 1-4 and peacemaker first. Or they could decide that before getting to MGS1, having MGS3 under their belt maybe they will want to fill in the gap, and have people play Solid Snakes story chronologically. Though that will only happen if they feel they are up to the task of just having a rough outline, needing to fill in the gaps of the story to flesh out and add more to it. Instead of a following a direct blueprint for each game.
We have no idea what kind of talent is at Konami these days so it's hard to say. Konami would likely love if they were able to remake those original metal gear games doing a good job of it. Proving they can still do it without Kojima making people forget about survive which was the most obvious cash grab I've ever seen. They let Kojima spend so much money and time on the fox engine and MGS5 making them desperate to just get another game to get something out of it. It's actually a bit suprising that they are going for a 1:1 using unreal 5. You'd think they would be using the fox engine some more and remake the games more in line with Capcom. Having seen their success of bringing those games to a modern audience. Considering if they really don't touch up the gameplay at all, a lot of people will likely fall off in frustration over the controls and the amount of time you spend i the codec and menu.
12:06 Exactly what I was thinking! They should remake these games and it is very likely most of the fanbase has never even played them!
If nothing else, this video has made me want a modern remake of the two MSX games
Konami has already released in engine footage, it’s a 1:1 remake of the original game with QoL improvements. They also are reusing the same voice work.
I don’t see how they can mess up when it’s the same game with modern paint.
The Re remake effect is what I whis we had, unfortunately we are going the complete faithful route. I hope that at least they tweak some of the mechanics to make it more enjoyable
Personally I prefer the faithful remakes, re 4 for instance I feel the original is far superior, although the remake is a wonderful game, goty material even.
@@brianfluu133 yeah, it all comes down to what you prefer. The term Remake has taken different meanings this days, you have the faithful demon souls remake, the Re remake of reimagining the originals, and the whole rabbit hole that it is FF7 remake.
I don't think FF7 or MGS 3 need faithful remakes. They're existing awesome games, redoing them would not really add anything.
Faithful 1-to-1 remakes should be for games that had potential, but ended up way worse than they could've been because of minor issues. Those need the faithful, "do the same thing except properly this time".
I'd be massively disappointed if mgs 3 got faithful remake. It'd just be the same game. Absolutely no reason for that project to exist. There are no obvious failures that if you fix, you improve MGS3 massively.
If it's not trying to do something new, it's a pointless exercise, mgs3 already is doing fantastic job of being mgs3
I completely agree that i wanted to see the original metal gear be remade instead of mgs3. It was my thought for years to remake those games instead of the mgs ones because they are much older, but also because it would expand on solid snakes story considering the previous mgs games were about big boss. So remaking mg1 and mg2 would be awesome for solid snakes story. Especially because the last time we got to play solid snake in his prime was mgs2...and that was only the tanker portion. For mgs2 fans wanted to play solid snake and were disappointed with raiden being the mc of the game. Then when fans did get to play as solid snake again it was as old snake where hed gone past his prime. This is why I always wanted the orignal metal gears be remade. So we can play more as solid snake before he got old.
My guess is they will want to get to do so eventually but MGS3 is the safest game to make first both because you have a blueprint for whoever this new team is to follow. And because it's largely considered the best story in the series and that it's the earliest in the timeline. It's an easy way to test the appetite. Let's just hope no matter if their aim is to do what Capcom has done with their remakes, which is personally what I wish for. Even though I know it's probably going to be more in line with crash/spyro/last of us part 1. That unlike a Square Enix, Konami will have a realistic budget and sales expectations. If they go in expecting 20 million copies sold, we won't be getting more. I could see their reasoning also being because Snake Eater has a lot of different types of environments the team will have experience in creating things from scratch which Metal gear 1 and 2 remakes would require. So the question really will be are they going to want to remake them chronologically, and actually do metal gear 1 and 2 before remaking Solid. Or will they want the team to have remakes of 3, 1 and 2, maybe even 4, before having to build two games with almost zero guard rails.
Since we have no idea who is making the game it's hard to say what would be best for their level of experience.
Whether or not it turns out less good than expected, it's at least going to be a real nostalgia trip, and I'm hyped for that alone.
As it’s expected, otherwise nobody will buy it. We all know the game 😄
But won't the original trilogy collection be available on modern console as well for that nostalgia trip?
@@ultraspinalki11 that’s what’s got me confused. Apart from gameplay and visuals what will the Remake provide?
@@justaguy1253 Lower quality voice acting?
Your emotions fool you boy 😂😂.
Trust me. Every fan is worried about this remake. We'll just have to wait and see. And i agree. Metal gear and metal gear 2 needs the remake too.
I'm extremely skeptical about the remake due to it being made by Konami. But at the same time, it's nearly impossible for me to not get excited due to it being my favourite game of all time.
I HECKIN LOVE REMAKES! 🤓
@@godzillazfriction Good for you.
@@Vengeance289 DAMN RIGHT!
Been a fan of yours for a long time and I even started watching you because of your Metal Gear content, and as a long time Metal Gear fan who's thoughts have also changed over the years, especially after playing Death Stranding, I'd love to hear your recent thoughts on the series sometime soon.
What did you think of Death Stranding?
I'm really glad the original 3 games are simply getting ports this coming year before the remakes start coming through... even if the remake sucks, at least we'll have the original 3 games ported as they were, basically untouched. I wish all remakes included a port of the original in case you don't like the changes.
A remake/collection of Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2 and Ghost Babel would be awesome!
They announced the master collection which included MGS1-3 and MG1-2 coming out in just a few months to modern platforms
@@informalgeek1196he means full on remakes, reread his comment again 😑
What Konami has said and shown so far makes me optimistic
Lol theyve shown jackshit up to now
The only thing this remake needs is the ape escape crossover minigame snake vs Monkey.
But all seriousness, I hope this remake turns out good.
I'm curious what issues you have with Metal Gear that you didn't have 5 years ago.
I want this to be good so bad because I am a Castlevania fan and I can see that Konami is trying to clean up their act and make video games again but the contra game sucked. I can' t believe they haven't tried to make an MGR sequel, remaster or remake considering the popularity of that game. The Castlevania collections were great my only complaint was that there aren't more of them. Other then that yeh. I think a SOTN remake would be relatively cheap and easy to make and would be a guaranteed sales/critical success as long as they don't mess it up.
It's good they did the main series before MGRR. That game is already popular enough and is more accessible than the main series. Most people haven't played any of the Solid titles and have only played Rising.
And as far as MGR goes it was made by Platinum. Konami would have such minimal work. Even a re-release.
@@Omar_E11 This is a weird cognitive dissonance I have noticed with Metal Gear fans. They insist on the absolute genius of Kojima's vision when MGR went against so much of what Kojima stands for as a game designer. Kojima had a totally different vision for MGR but Konami interfered and chose Platinum's vision instead giving us the game we all know and love.
@@doomdimensiondweller5627 I don't disagree with that. There is too much Kojima idolization and worship in the fandom.
@@Omar_E11 Yeh, I heard it said that he is the George Lucas of gaming. What this means is that he is a big idea guy who early on was under a lot of oversight and as a result his best ideas were what made it into the final product, but as time went on and he got more fame less people wanted to question him meaning his bad ideas that would have gotten filtered out made it in. In the case of George Lucas this resulted in the star wars prequals in the case of Kojima it resulted in a lot of the retcons and questionable at best story telling choices in MGS4. As well as Death Stranding.
There’s a very high probability that it will suck but we’re at least getting a new collection and possibly a remastered port of Metal Gear Solid 4 out of it so I don’t really care if it sucks or not at least newer generations can experience the classics
Your comments on the attention to the tiniest of details is part of the reason why I adore the recent Advance Wars. There were plenty of secrets and Easter eggs that thankfully developer WayForward retained basically all of the Easter eggs I adored about the GBA originals.
Personally speaking, I'm not for or against remakes by default, and in some cases, even if they don't live up to the original, they can still be good on their own merits.
But in regards for this, i just might wait for a while after Delta releases.
Of all the games in the series that would benefit the most from a remake, MG1 and MG2:SS would be the best candidates.
I will get the modern collection, however.
Edit: You know what, never mind, I'm not going to bother with the Master Collection.
The only thing I’m hoping for is an update to the control scheme, everything else can stay the same
Controls are fine imo.
I just need crouching honestly. Everything else is fine
Remember the last time an MGS game got a remake that incorporated moves introduced in the newer games but didn't adjust level design to suit those moves and the entire balance of the game was shot in the foot?
I'd like to be able to access the survival menu without having to load a separate screen and have to wait for it to load.
@@7evan The 3DS version of MGS3 introduced crouching and I think Peace Walker Style Aiming on top of the classic first person style aiming. So in that sense its the perfect update to it, but then its stuck on the 3DS, and while the graphics were updated in some ways that are better its overall much more pixelated. Honestly if that version was combined with the original to get the best of both, then that would be ideal. It even runs on the same engine as the original if I understand correctly, so they could have retroactively added those features into the HD rerelease that's coming out.
@@GBDupree I've played that version and while loved the QOL updates from MGS 4 the frame rate was complete ass and that photo feature where you can take a picture with your 3ds camera and have it be rendered as a camouflage that you can wear completely breaks the game since you get upto 100% camouflage rating on all environments if you use the right picture. This game just kinda doesn't work on a handheld imo, Portable Ops and Peace Walker could've worked better.
I kind of agree, it's strange to have what appears to be a 1-1 remake, when the original is being released for modern consoles prior.
You DO realize J that since the OG voices are gonna be reused they are making a 1-1 remake in this new engine.......so lets hope they will NOT fucked the gameplay somehow
I'm not worried about the gameplay as much as I am about the voice acting and cutscenes. The cinematics in Metal Gear games are a very big part of the experience and while I think everything will look fine I just hope the voice actors bring their A game as well as the writers. Also, David Hayter has to voice Snake.
There reusing the same voice work from the original game.
What you said about MGS1 and Twin Snakes is fair. Personally I like original MGS1 better, but MGS2 mechanics are awesome. Imo if MGS1 just had better camera angles rather than top-down and maybe 1 or 2 other minor changes, it would be objectively better than Twin Snakes.
Just a curious question, which games in your opinion deserve a whole remake? And which games in your opinion doesn’t need remake? Besides the metal gear series and the resident evil series.
10:33 - 10:38
I figure that it's a path of least resistance for them and it'll make money. Hopefully that money will encourage them to get back into big games so we finally get an MGS5 re-release with everything finally in the game and eventually MGS6.
I'd love to see a video on your thoughts about Metal Gear now. Especially since I noticed the old mgs retrospective videos have an (OLD) tag at the beginning of them. I'm not judging I personally understand I think metal gear is still my favorite game series but as I've gotten over I see the flaws more and more and games I used to love like MGS4 and PW I could never imagine replaying again
Maybe MGS4 but definitely not peacewalker
I personally would love to see them GS one and MGS 2 also remade. Excited but cautiously optimistic for this MGS three remake. Now the HD ports of MGS 123 plus metal gear one and two I’m just not sure if it’s coming out for the PlayStation 4 or is it PS five only.
I agree with this video, but i also like to add Konami’s overall lack of quality when it comes to new game releases from them, they still released games after the whole debacle with Kojima, but they averaged from mid to downright terrible.
Im currently playin the new system shock remake, and despite domig across alot of bugs, i can easily recommend it. Its the best kind of remake imo, where its different enough that both the original and remake are worth playing, without it being a weird middle ground, i dont like redundancy
But system shock was also an incredibly innovative 3d game from 94, so that means a wacky control scheme, which is an inherant difference that doesnt really count for other games
Konami needs to show some love for MGS4 Guns of the Patriots
So did Konami and Kojima finally kiss and make up? Hopefully they get David Hayter to voice Snake. But knowing our misfortune we'll get stuck with Kiefer Sutherland again.
I'd want to see a modern remake of the GBC spinoff.
Along with the original msx games.
I'm honestly glad Kojima isn't involved.. his head's so far up his ass at this point that he only wants to work with actors and actresses. He's so obsessed with Hollywood and film that he'd probably mess things up. A team, keyword TEAM, will be bringing our favorites to modern hardware with a new coat of paint. Nothing more, nothing less. Allowing us to enjoy our favorites for another ten years.
MGS3 is also chronologically the first, so bringing in a new audience with it is ideal.
I've had this theory for a while, and it's that they're gonna remake the games in chronological order. 3 is the first game in the timeline, so they're remaking that one first. Then they'll do the MSX games.
I don't think a remake was really needed
So tired of everyone being a slave to Kojima. He isn't this almighty God that everyone thinnks he is. I love MGS and looking forward to it. Kojima ain't what made MGS entirely great, just look at Death Stranding. Also screw him for making it so David Hayter didn't voice snake in MGS5
I personally prefer the voice switch. Given the content of MGSV I think further splitting BB away from snake was the right move.
Also Death Stranding was awesome. Granted way more niche than Metal Gear
MGS 3 doesn't need a remake.. It still holds up
The controls don’t.
yeah pressing like 3 buttons just to do a accurate shot... or crawling if you meant to run... stuff lile that. oh yeah don't forget killing your hostage if you meant to interrogate him
This remake needs to do one thing right.
Snake has to be voiced by David Hayter.
I don’t play that many Konami games so I don’t know they’re track record. The point is that I think mgs3 is nearly impossible to remake, and by that I mean recreate the same exact game without leaving anything out. It’s impossible to catch lightning in a bottle twice. But that’s the remake I want. Fast reload, boss cheese strategies, all the variety, mgs3 is nothing without those things. Anyway, this is a big privilege. The chance to play the most unique mgs game in HD, so I will. It’s still a great game at the end of the day even if the unintentional exploits are removed
mgs3 is one of the most detailed games ever released. theres no way they'll manage to keep that level of quality
The only thing that worries me, is the photo realistic boring and drab color scheme, that Konami showed us in the MGS3 Delta trailer🤦🏻♂️
So, I am really hoping that by the time the actual game gets released, they will add a more artificial looking filter, that more resembles the original game🤞🤞
Is it wrong I am sick of Resident Evil ? Resident Evil has had a new game every year since like the year 2000. I think people need to calm down and Capcom needs to give people time to miss Resident Evil.
Well it’s Capcom’s most successful franchise. It’s like asking Nintendo to take a break from Mario or Pokémon (as much as I’d love for them to put the breaks on the latter’s mainline titles)
For me a perfect remake would be to take Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and mix it with the gameplay and contained open world of MGS Ground Zeros and that would be the perfect Metal Gear game for me.
Guess I'm one of the few people who actually likes MGS Twin Snakes...
Also I agree MG1 and 2 needs remakes way before MGS1-3
I'd rather have a "Metal Gear Liquid" right now.
MGS1 is going to be a very interesting case to say the least in the Metal Gear Solid Master Collection. Like will it be using the PC port of the game or how would Psycho Mantis's fight work when the XBOX Series S/X and even the PS4/PS5 has no physical controller ports. Like for a deathless run of the game the busts on either side of the room are indestructable until you are left with no choice but to die here and then Colonel Cambell will tell you to destroy the busts to kill him. So a deathless run will be problematic and even if we skip Psycho Mantis's fight by using the vent glitch to trigger the torture room event early, by the time we grab the Stinger and head on up to fight the Hind D then we are effectively softlocked since the Stinger is ID Locked and Snake has level checks in place and since we never fought Sniper Wolf the first time around the game then breaks since we are missing a vital but most important level up in the game and there is no way of fixing that save file. Also they better leave BOBA Skip alone since her discovery was monumental and I can honestly say it's going to be extremely exciting to play MGS1 again hopefully with Achievements/Trophies.
For psycho mantis they’re going to do what they’ve done for the ps3 version, let you bring up a menu to change ports. Even emulators can do that.
I can understand why starting with this for the remake as its first chronologically. I would have them start with MGS 1 as a foundation and its needing a full remake.
What is being shot at at 6:14? I don't remember that from the game
I’m late but the part where your walking in shallow water and theres the hover things they are flying on right before you get to kill the end early
I'd love old Metal Gear games being remade, the ending of MGS 4 is one of my favourite and most emotional moments in Metal Gear saga and to be able to experience the story of young Solid Snake and his mentour could be the single greatest thing they could do, but...
But I do believe that in order to pull this out you *need* someone, who could do this incredibly. Not good, we fans could probably imagine how to do this good, but incredibly. I'm inclined to believe that the Snake Eater remake could be amazing without the old staff, but I doubt anyone could do this good enough without them. Metal Gear games have always been for me not only incredible games, but truly innovative and groundbreaking ones. And I'm not saying you need Kojima to do this, but you probably need someone who can feel what these games were about as good as him and his co-workers. And I don't think that's easy.
Twin snakes was done by the Bayonetta team. They're always over the top and the mgs1 game wasn't built for mgs2 mechanics.
This mgs3, as long as they keep the things that were weird, it should do well enough
Twin Snakes was made by Silicon Knights, not Platinum Games
I think it needs to be a balance of a shot for shot remake like dead space and I think if things have to be cut or at the very least streamlined. Does anyone wanna do the sniper rifle back tracking in MGS1? 3 didn’t have this issue, but I think if it has everything amazing, but it better expand on it. Could you imagine if In the pain boss fight he tries to drown snake by swarming the surface with hornets? And you now have to figure out how to disperse them from beneath the water or you drown! I mean all they need to do is mgs3 but more. Maybe expand on character missions? Maybe a training section to tutorial cqc with the boss pre virtuous mission?
It's common for people to praise any garbage that companies feed them in the name of nostalgia while exploiting them. Now tbf, most people excited are likely kids, still sad that they are already falling for marketing tactics tho, best example, the Mario movie
I would be impressed if they F it up because they have the OG game to follow and all they have to essentially do is modernise the controls and graphics and add remastered cutscenes nothing else needs changing leave everything else as it was.
The real question to ask is if Konami still has the creative output and talent to do a great game.
When was the last time that Konami released a genuinely great big budget game?
This sounds to me like its going to be a very safe remake since they haven't worked on anything big in so long they just wanna "update" MGS3 without changing too much or doing a lot of heavy lifting.
To me it sounds like it is going to be kinda like the 3DS port of Snake Eater but with a more UE5 "Konami hire this man" flavor, which sounds kinda bland. Maybe I'm wrong though.
Konami should do a remake of the PS2 TMNT games
How did your opinion on the franchise changed so much when no new games have been out for years?
People get older, tastes change.
@@darudesandstrom1067 Sure, im just wondering what gaming gem he played this last years that changed his opinion on MG this drastically.
@@Pedro-zu3uq basicaly he watched a bunch of videos by keiv reviews things and he got his opinions changed by that clown.
@@thatmagelad8539 conspiracy
I’m stoked for this one, just hoping they do it right, don’t rush it, and it lives up to any hype it will have (which most games don’t these days) I.e. cyberpunk, game looked so good, had the potential, and was rushed and trash.
Do you think the new mgs master collection will have a separate achievement stack from the hd collection?
I do. The rereleases of kingdom hearts for PS 3 have different trophies for the ps4 versions. They both say “final mix.”
@@SaraphDarklaw sweet, gives me a reason to buy them again lol
I'm wondering stuff that might not be possible to do faithfully. Like how do you beat psycho mantis when you can't change your control port
I mean, MGS1 isn't being remade but is getting the collection treatment. I'd assume it'll be like MGS4 where you change your controller to player 2
It’ll be like the ps3 version where you just pull up a menu or like in emulation.
Twin Snakes is not the same script as MGS1.
I’m definitely not going to get too excited until it’s out and confirmed good. All they have to do is 1:1 no extra content. Release it polished. No after sale charges (dlc or cash shop. Remember MG:Survive charged $10.00 for an extra save slot.) I’m not sure Konami can handle such simple tasks these days.
I've been changing my mind about the mgs games too. I don't think it's wrong to consider them the pinnacle of gaming (because sometimes they are), but I've realized that sometimes they are the "twilight saga" in video game form... They're so corky sometimes... So full of themselves with stories that are too convoluted for their own sake.
I think that while I get the appeal and intrigue of potentially rebooting the series chronologically, I am apprehensive about it and i wish they’d taken a page from the resident evil remakes’ book.
Think about it, resident evil had several games with lower fan expectation stakes to deliver on and experiment and receive feedback, and now here we are with the remake of 4, the most important and iconic, and it’s phenomenal.
Konami is starting with the most iconic entry without a few games to mess around in and get feedback and perfect their approach. Not to mention if it’s practically 1-1 it runs the risk of just kinda being a useless remake, whereas RE4 is the perfect mix of new and old.
I just wish they didn’t blow their load on MGS3 right away, it makes me nervous.
Yep, them reusing the several decades old audio files tells the whole story, it’ll be a 1:1 copy and paste version with nothing new or surprising about it and it’s such a waste of chances to reimagine a great game. So sad 😞
@@lionheart6918 They're using the original audio because bringing back the actors won't work. Hayter is in his 50's and can't do young snakes voice anymore (he's 29) in MGS3. And half of the original Japanese voice cast died.
@@JuanJohn-Raytheon I get that, but they should be casting new actors since it’s a remake and not a remaster. Reusing the very old dialogue limits them in any creative work, and for good: because it means that they will be using the old audio in the remake of MGS1 too, if that ever happens. Audio from 1997 with no possibilities for any changes. Casting new voices should have been the logical choice. They’re re-releasing the exact game twice now with the remaster and the 1-1 copy&paste remake.
@@lionheart6918 It's not confirmed to be a 1:1 remake. We'll see after the virtuous mission if they expand on the jungle and map further. As for the voices,they can stream line the exposition into real time gameplay some of the codec calls are unnecessary. And the fanbase and general audience will be fine with David Hayters 2004 audio as snake.Konami must be aware people didn't like Kiefer taking Hayters role.And could anyone give a better performance as The Boss? It's a smart move to keep fans onboard.
@@JuanJohn-Raytheon story wise and regarding cutscenes it will be 100% the same and basically copied and pasted because of the reuse of audio. it’s true Hayter and The Boss‘ actor we’re incredibly good. But remaking a game should include changes and a good mix of old and new and the characters should be free to bring fresh voices and the possibility of alterations in dialogue and story while keeping the core of the original. Fans are getting the remaster with the old voices anyway. Why getting the same thing twice (trice with the original release)?
I think the initial announcement had me very excited but as time is going I feel the rose tinted goggles coming off and I will remain skeptical of this game till it’s release. Obviously there’s no way they could work with Kojima again so that’s not a surprise, hearing the original cast was returning was interesting but only to find out it’s just the exact same voice lines so what’s there to be remade ? Higher texture environments and better controls ?
That’s nice and needed but with the current gen of modern remakes we get that seems incredibly lack luster. I was hoping more for a game running on the MGSV Fox engine with a bigger map to explore but it is what it is. Curious to see where this project goes but I’m sensing red flags in my mind
Whenever the topic of a full fledged Metal Gear game post-Kojima exadous comes up there’s one quote that comes to mind. I won’t name names since I’d rather not stir up drama but one individual ended their scathing review of MGSV with “whatever Konami puts out next, at least I know it won’t be as bad as The Phantom Pain”
Im curious if that reviewer still stands by that statement after Survive and this announcement, espically since I think 3 was their favorite in the series
As long as I get online I’m chillin
I think it needs to be said, to see you go from selling me and convincing me to give the fan "remaster" of Sonic 06 a fair shot, to the doom and gloom of this video is so jarring, it's actually kinda funny, lol.
Konami should've just remade the original Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake with David Hayter voicing Solid Snake and Keifer Sutherland voicing both Big Boss and Venom Snake.
sutherland will never come back to metal gear... pretty sure of it
If anything I want modern controls and the ability to crouch walk like mgs3d and boost the ai to compensate
I'm pretty young, but I like playing retro games. Recently I started playing the original MGS and I must say
I suck at it, I'm literally terrible. My father mocks me every time I play it
Conarmy screwed silent hills PT, made metal gear survivor, pachinkoed castlevania, went full on nazi on their own employees just because they disagreed with them about kojima, releases broken football games every year no matter what and to this day they still screw with people who support and play their mobile games. They were selling micro transactions as early as 2015. If I knew any better they are playing it safe now until the numbers grow and companies with this many support don’t often look back and reflect on the past misdeeds. Its just history rinse,wash and repeat. Mgs 5 is still unfinished exactly left the way it was released and conarmy has’nt even touched it in order fill in the blanks - avatar options, missing weapons and items, and who can forget the battle gear?
Oh, it's gonna suck.
what’s the last game Konami released aside from Sports & Pachinko? Was it MGSurive?
Honestly, all they need to do is update the graphics and incorporate the MGS V controls and mechanics like reflex mode and that's it. How hard can that be Konami?!
Also, while remaking the original Metal Gear games (the ones from the 80's) would be a cool idea, they'd be doing it without Kojima. Which ultimately just wouldn't work. Remaking any of the MGS games still have a chance because they're already made and fleshed out, but the 80's games would require way too much... remaking... and without Kojima, I don't think they'd be able to capture what makes everyone love Metal Gear as a series. If Konami could reconcile their relationship with Kojima then the sky would be the limit as to what they could accomplish. They could print money. But I don't see that happening.
I think it'll be good. Heard nothing but good news so far
Glad Kojima isnt part of the remake. No Che Guevara love, retcons, parasites, nanomachines or replacing David Hayter lmao. Seriously though many dont know Twin Snakes was gonna be very much like original. But Kojima was the one who said to make the action scenes as wild as they are
You upset he gave love to someone loved the world over?
Metal gear was always a very left leaning series.
Also, you are aware Metal Gear 2, the second game in the series, retconned the first game yeah? Complaining about retcons later is goofy. Hell, any prequel at all, including MGS 3, is itself a retcon. Retroactively adding events that were not mentioned previously
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"Loved the world over" except by exiled Cubans. How strange. Almost as if those who had to be under Castro's regime didn't quite like it. MGS is definitely leftist. It's also anti-Soviet. Castro did many things the Soviets did.
Difference is, the retcons done by MGS4 and V ate straight terrible. Just bad. I can detail why if necessary
@@ManiacMayhem7256 don’t ask those exiled Cubans who their family members worked for. May not like the answer you receive. Most curious that the people who worked for the regime and got their things taken away like to cry about it.
What retcons specifically are bad?
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"Who they worked for" many of the exiles were long after Batista, and exiles continue to this day. It's a totalitarian dictatorship, dissenting against Castro or being gy especially back then was grounds for exile. Scarface's rant about Castro's regime wasn't make believe.
Many of the retcons were bad. The nature of the Patriots heavily implied by the ending of MGS2 as well as the post credits phone call were retconned by MGS4, Liquid Ocelot was retconned by MGS4, The End was caused by parasites in V, the team of Operation Snake Eater were the founders of the Patriots, Big Boss survived so he can give us exposition and tell Snake to live, Huey deserved it, Vamp was nanomachines, Raiden gets an awful ending with Rose that is thankfully retconned by Rising, I could go on and on. Volgin living and somehow having fire powers is also one.
@@ManiacMayhem7256 you complaining about Castro of Che? You are aware these are two different people yes?
Also, Cuba has been shown repeatedly to have a higher quality of living, and have a country with more direct interests for its people, than basically any other Latin American country. Period.
If Che was so bad I’m sure you can actually cite a specific example of something bad that he did. Feel free
I have my doubts about the remake. The first thing that bothers me is that they might have to change several things. But they are not connecting with the original creators, artists, designers. That is concerning because the original looks and sounds perfect. It is an anime, B-movie, spy-thriller-action-james bond level story. Of course, the controls and gameplay are outdated. But making it new or updated, is going to be very difficult. I think, the best way to bring the game to a modern audience is to tweak the controls. That's it. Literally, just improve the controls. Remove pressure sensitive controls. Use the 3Ds version with some tweaks from peace walker controls. Do not change the mechanics at all. Also improve movement and animations so it's not jank as hell to move. Then, update the graphics in the same way the shadow of the colossus does it. But keep the original art style more in mind. Shadow of the colossus really blows it in some ways by changing the look of the characters. Flesh out environments. Make them slightly bigger. Add in better jungle environments. Improve the look of the natural environments. Keep the characters looking like the original. Do not change any physical features.
Also, add in some subsistence features. Make a level selector. Add VR missions. Add a boss gantlet mode. Add a mission maker with customizable VR missions or a general Map maker where we can make custom missions for ourselves or other players with very basic options. Choose from a handful of premade maps. Edit enemy layouts. Modes would be peace walker style mission objectives. That's literally all u need to do. Hands down best mgs game ever.
I don’t think it would suck. Konami saw what happened with Capcom remaking their old RE games and they want to do the same thing. You can see how Konami has expanded their gaming division lately and now they are building a bigger center for gaming development. I have been following Konami for quiet sometime. I am sure this remake will rock
And two of those games were well received. The game doesn’t need just fancy graphics. That’s not a remake that’s a glorified remastered like last of us part 1 and no wants that
I'm kind of up in the air about this remake. But. . . If they put HIdeo Kojima and teams name in the credits I'll go ahead a buy it. I am going to wait on the reviews of the game before I decide to purchase.
I can make a very, very safe assumption that the discourse surrounding the MGS3 Remake when it comes out is going to be hellish just by looking at the comments of this video. Pretty much split down the middle in wanting either a completely faithful remake with nothing about it changed minus improved graphics and performance or it being like the REmakes with it using the original as a base to make a new game from.
Honestly I think this one might be pretty good and we're also getting a 3 remaster so hey it's a win-win
I see you renamed your old Metal Gear reviews. I guess you think they have not aged well?
In any case remaking the MG1 and 2 with the retcons is a cool idea
never downplay thoughts as "maybe i could be wrong"
RE4R wasn't something that could hold to the original and won't hold when MICROTRANSACTIONS exist in it
at the end of the day its not a chance to be great, maybe good if they keep 1 to 1 but trying to go beyond it will lead to new issues they can't solve without kojima
I'm very concern on these two remakes of both Silent Hill 2 and MGS3. I've seen it's gameplay presentation, and it looks decent, but will it stay faithfully of the PS2 original here. Konami are just cash grabbing these franchises here, cause Nostalgia creates tons of profits. My biggest concern is Silent Hill 2. I'm afraid they'll ruin it just like they did before in previous Silent Hill games.
Let's be completely fair here with the dialogue of MGS3 specifically, it is there to set up the world and time period, it's worldbuilding really. "Getting talked at for 20 minutes" is kind of a disingenuous statement when not considering why there even there. Now if we were talking a lot of the later games in the franchise, you'd maybe have a point but with 3 specifically, it's not an issue.
When was the last time you played? Cause you’re right but 50% of the games mandatory dialogue is redundant
This announcement gives me massive Resident Evil 3 Remake flashbacks
they already said they are not changing the story, to the point they are REusing the original voice lines. meaning they are not trying to ruin the game to apease modern audiences , the best outcome
just MGS3D with good graphics and not running at 20fps.
I would hope they would change Delta up, especially since the original is on modern consoles. Remake should change things, they should be unique. If players hate even small changes then they should just play the original. The RE4 remake is the perfect example of changing things while maintaining the same feeling.
Also people who are caught up on Kojima not being there are such crybabies. Dude hasn't wanted to make a Metal Gear game since the 80s. He made MG2 out of spite, and then MGS1 and MGS2 just to wrap up the story and get his ideas and themes out there. Then he had to make 3 to explain more because the fans wanted explanations, then he had to direct 4 because fans wanted MORE explanations and were sending death threats. Hilarious he gave them the middle finger and just said "Nanomachines, the Patriots" half the time.
Kojima has been wanting to pass off the series for awhile, a lot of the old MGS dev team are still at Konami. They can make amazing games without Kojima, PO, Ghost Babel, AC!D 1&2, hell even MGRR developed by an entirely different studio was great. I personally feel Kojima has done all he can with the series and I would prefer a new start.
I'd honestly prefer a reboot over remakes. I also personally feel that even if Kojima had another MGS story he wanted to tell, he fell off kinda hard towards the end. 4 and PW just are not my games.
If MGS1 got a remake... that would be the 2nd time since twin snakes exist on gamecube. In all honesty still surprised it never got a re release but hey the same thing can be said about persona 3 fes when Atlus did the remaster and use another version of the same game p3p over p3 fes. Komani doing the same thing might not be so surprising now that I think about it.
It’s said the Vita version of MGS 2 & 3 are the best ones you can get.. Thankfully those are the ones I own.. Although my old neighbor hooked me up with MGS 3 vanilla before he moved I never did check it out or at least not yet
cant believe they have the balls to do this without kojimbo
I think it'l be perfectly adequate, unless they make some "changes for the modern audience" which everyone seems to be doing these days.
MGS1 remake would be a port of the twin snakes from the cube like RE1 remke would since those are the official remakes
If you watch the trailer and notice all the subtle references to MGS3 you'll see there is a tremendous attention to detail, that shows me whoever is working on this actually has a love and appreciation for the series or at least this particular game. It doesn't need Kojima. MGS4 had Kojima and it was easily the worst entry in the series, and it never got much better after that. Portable Ops was better than Peace Walker, and MGSV well we know what happened with that.