You gotta take the good with the bad, cause for every play he held the ball too long, there was another where he scrambled for 10 seconds while everyone was yelling at the TV to just check down or throw it away and then he’d magically find Doug Baldwin wide open for a 25 yard gain
@@mattforbes221 problem is after that Buffalo game in 2020, we started seeing a lot more bad than good. Not even interceptions and whatnot. Just constant blown drives, unnecessary sacks, and overthrows at the wrong time.
@@johncaccamoI’ve never once heard someone praise Brady for defense lol Donta Hightower was the pats defense leader for a majority of the 2010s and before that it was Ty law and Rodney Harrison lol you can’t take what fake fans say as legit lol if they don’t have an understanding of the game past watching one or two a year then yeah their gonna say some ludacris shit lol but I’ve never heard a legit fan say that
@@johncaccamohey tbf to Brady, he proved he could win without belichick. Even tho Tampa's defense was incredible too 😅. Bill has, as a HC; ONE 10-7 wildcard exit and an 11-5 missed playoffs without Tom, thats it
I've been saying the same thing. I've been actively watching Russel this season. He'll look great, and then bam screen pass on 3rd and 12, they lose the game.
@@glennholden6820Thats irrelevant. He's played like shit the last season and a half, if they weren't paying him a quarter of a billion dollars, his ass would have been benched long ago.
Payton has demonstrated why he shouldn’t make the Hall. He’s a coordinator, not a head coach. His defenses were regularly terrible in New Orleans and this season has demonstrated both his arrogance and his refusal to adapt.
To Payton's benefit, he only had a few bad guys he chose for DC. The last one he stuck way too long for was Rex's not so great brother Rob Ryan. But his DC picks of Gregg Williams worked and especially Dennis Allen from his last years of coaching the Saints.
@@tringuyen7519 Isn't "too complicated" just another way of saying advanced or ahead of his time?? I see a LOT of teams using schemes and concepts he came up with. As they say imitation is the highest form of flattery.
Payton and Russ are remarkably similar: They both think they are held back by others when, in fact, they don't see their own weaknesses.@@tringuyen7519
@@obukohwoogheneakpobo3011 Sure Stafford won a Superbowl with a great season, but for the past year and a half Stafford barely throws more TDs than he does INTs. Goff the past year and a half has been a highly efficient QB, one of the best in the NFL. The stats and the video tape doesn't lie, Goff is a much better QB than Stafford the past year and a half.
@@furiogiunta7886I just feel like until Goff gets to a SB I can't say he's better I mean his replacement got it done 2 things can be true though he's 100% got better
@@furiogiunta7886 Hilariously while Goff is running more of the Rams Stafford playbook that Ben Johnson uses. But Stafford being fearless with his deep ball is still huge even when the Rams run game suffers. There were games where the run game wasn't getting it done for the Lions and Goff had the opportunity to spearhead the Lions pass attack with his arm. And despite the high amount of pass attempts, he never outright dominated with his arm to help the Lions win.
What most people don't remember is that Pete Carroll actually let Russ cook for about a season or season and a half after they won their Superbowl and while he did put up nice numbers of 300-400 yards passing a game, they weren't winning, then Pete decided to go back to Lynch and legion of boom and they started winning games again, Russ is a nice game manager that by having the ability to throw deep, he keeps defenses from stacking the line while also having the ability to scramble, that most game managers like Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc. don't have. Drew Brees was actually a QB with a unique background, he came from one of the original spread shotgun offenses in Purdue when the program was at it's heyday, then he played under Marty Schottenheimer in first couple of year, under a very traditional coach, running a very traditional offense, which he struggled to adapt to until the end of his time in San Diego, but when he got to New Orleans with Sean Payton, having diverse experiences helped him I believe in Payton's offense.
Last time pete let russ cook was 2020, first half of the season he was the mvp, then played awful the rest of the season and loss againts the rams in wc
They actually were winning. Russ was holding things together despite a godawful defense that turned every single game into an offensive shootout until we hit the Bills where the defense utterly collapsed forcing Russ to force the ball downfield on every single drive just to try and keep up with the Bills offense which was scoring at will, so of course he ended up throwing picks because what other choice did he have? The fact people put that loss on him baffles me.
HTF were the Hawks "not winning"? Never a losing season until Russ was injured. He tried to tough it out but it really did affect him. Remember, the defense was as much to blame for inconsistent play. Russ had a great record of late game comebacks, saved their bacon many times. Saved more games than he he ever gave away. Furthermore, O line coach Tom Cable never fielded a decent line after key players left post super bowl. Pete Carroll is an arrogant prick who thinks he's some kind of genius. Spare me.
@roranoazoro6961 2020 Tyler Lockett and Metcalf over 1000 yards receiving double digit touchdowns, Wilson over 4k yards 40:13 TD:int. Won the NFC west and got upset by the Rams. Following season Wilson injured his finger. Next, Goes to Denver and just has Sutton who is above average. Jeudy who is like Steve Smith said a tier 3 wr and Steve Smith was being nice when he said that. There is more blame to go around than Wilson and Payton.
Hire the worse DC in the league in VJ, slowly take away control from Russ, then in the upcoming weeks they finally do a fire sale and trade everybody for draft capital. he really playing 4d chess if they somehow get caleb
@@JJ-zr6fuRuss didn't blow the SB. The defense blew a 10 point lead with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. They gave up 2 td's in like 4 minutes, not a td and fg, which would have won the game. They put the offense in that situation. People seem to forget that. The Seahawks were lucky to even get back to the goal line with less than 2 minutes to go the length of the field. I'm going to credit Malcolm Butler for making a good play.
Gonna be pretty hilarious if the Broncos tank for Caleb Williams, and Sean Payton ends up completely mismanaging his development as well. It's also worth mentioning that in terms of play-style, Caleb Williams is far closer to Russel Wilson than Drew Breeze
What I hate about this whole thing is this - I believe Hackett and Russ would’ve figured out what they both like, and how they could do the thing together. Since Hackett was such a terrible HC (game management, locker room, etc), they couldn’t really focus on that aspect and it never worked. Now Payton is in, and is a fairly good HC, but won’t work with Russ whatsoever. Just wants him to do what he wants him to do. As an addendum, it’s become obvious that Payton is staying, and if push comes to shove, Russ is on the block. I wish he would just let Russ loose and just see if the magic is there anymore. The problem for me as a Broncos fan the last 2 years has been the coaches trying to mold what Russ does instead of saying “hey you make $200 million, go make it work”.
@@Fallout3131 Russ can't cook with receivers dropping passes, not being able to get separation and running the wrong routes. He didn't burn down the house in Seattle, because he had a decent supporting cast. Russ didn't forget how to play when he got to Denver. The Broncos were a losing franchise when he got there. They haven't been in the playoffs in 6 seasons, but Seattle has. In fact they were in the playoffs 8 out of 10 seasons with Russ. You people act like football is not a team sport. 🤔
I’m a Seattle fan but I’ll always root for Russ, I agree with you here it’s a shame they won’t let the man do what he’s done for years. Denver has some lackluster weapons, it’s the same problem he used to have in Seattle where they expected him to be the offense, except in Denver it’s someone else’s offense he’s forced to run.
The problem is that Russ can't do that anymore. He holds on to the ball too long and now that he's getting up there in age, he's lost some of that quickness that allowed him to elude defenders.
payton is tanking at this point. he openly admitted on The Herd he would throw games late in the season if Caleb williams is a guaranteed pick for his team, and even defended the most controversial tank moments in history by explaining what these in the end meant for each franchise. If it's that clear that he is phasing out Wilson, you bet that his goal is to regain a top 2 pick in the draft to replace Wilson immediately.
@@Grind2Excellence Russ in 2023 is absolutely not a better quarterback than what Caleb is gonna be. Even if Caleb is mediocre in the NFL, he’s still gonna be better than whatever the hell Russell Wilson has been since the Hawks vs Bills game in 2020.
@@johncaccamo Payton would have ended up hating Caleb because of his personality -- the guy wants partial ownership of whatever team drafts him, only wants to play for a team based in a big party city (Las Vegas, New York, Los Angeles, etc) and is essentially just a shittier version of Russell Wilson.
I don't doubt that Seattle knew what they were doing in the trade (obviously), but Russ had a stupid talent for scrambling and deep balls. He's definitely fallen off, but that talent doesn't abruptly leave somebody. Sean Payton without a pocket QB was just a bad idea of a mashup.
Actually when you never had talent it can just poof away when the legs go so he can’t school yard run around until the defense breaks down. He’s never learned how to run an offense
@@ellisdeefoley🤣😂🤣😂 Ok so he never had talent? Says the couch potato on his computer who's never played sport pass high school... Russ play style was to make up for his lack of height and ability to see over his line, so he adapted scrambling into the mix and won a super ( should've been 2) and led Seattle to multiple playoff appearances... Everyone's talent disappears when you've been injured multiple times... Peyton Manning and Drew Brees' shoulders... Neither of them can throw a football properly in the last years playing... Russ can throw but his talent and skills come from moving which he can't do easily anymore because he's been beat up for years in Seattle thanks to bad O-line play.
@ellisdeefoley you don't win a super bowl and go to multiple pro bowls in the NFL where your competing against the best of the best if you don't have talent.
@@RobotRebelCinemaI think Russ makes his O-line look worse than it actually is. Of course his o-line is going to look terrible when he holds on to the ball forever. It’s the same thing with Justin fields.
So Payton can only coach one type of offense and Russ can only play one style of QB. One of the things I hate most about coaches are the ones that say "Stick with what got us here." metality. But I also hate QBs that can't play under adversity and is seems both those things seems to be going on right now. IDK, If I were coaching, I'd do my best to play to the strengths of my players instead of trying to force a system. To me it's bad coaching.
Well but these QBs play a million games the same way, why draft or trade for a guy and run a system that doesn’t work. Not all DBs are good on a 4-3 scheme…some are more built for 3-4
@@meric2363 still, they got to pick Top freaking 5! Witherspoon seems lights out, so not only did they rid themselves of Russ, they got Drew Lock, Fant, and Witherspoon. You gotta applaud them and this is coming from a 49ers fan
Part of the genius was that the value of those first rounds would turn to absolute gold especially for the 2023 draft while crushing the 2022 draft where most of their picks look like long term starters. For 2023 they got some great picks at day 1 and day 2/3 were more value/depth picks.
@@Jordan.Vaughn I honestly hope the hawks can put it all together again, so the Hawks and Niners can remind the nfl as to why they’re the best rivalry.
Like Nathaniel Hackett, Sean Payton talked a good game about designing an offense around Russ’s talents but has not done it. There’s something about Russ that makes these coaches dream about how u stoppable he could be as a pocket passer. The way to achieve that is to integrate the pocket game in spots. Russ’s game is about movement. He can burn teams from the pocket, but that’s not his biggest strength. It would be like trying to play Michael Jordan at power forward or center. He was decent with his back to the basket (esp. against smaller defenders) but how many games would the Bulls have won by playing him in the low post all game long? Payton doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Because Russel is washed. You say Russel's game is about movement, okay you're correct. But are you not seeing him getting chased down from behind by linemen? When did we EVER see that happen in Seattle? Never. If the last two seasons haven't shown you he's lost a step, nothing will. "It would be like trying to play Michael Jordan at power forward or center. He was decent with his back to the basket (esp. against smaller defenders) but how many games would the Bulls have won by playing him in the low post all game long? " Oh my.....go look at how he played with the Wizards not the Bulls years when he was in his prime. Russel Wilson isn't in his physical prime anymore......
@@Michael-uu7zq I wouldn't even say it's a lot slower. But when you're playing against the best of the best, even a half a step is the difference between getting away from pressure and eating shit.
I have a feeling he's trying to shimmy his way out of the situation, as well. I could be wrong tho. That's a ton of money, and he very well could get HIS QB in thos upcoming draft. Only time will tell.
Mrr. Unlimited is being neutered because he’s a 5 ft 10 QB in his mid thirties with declining athleticism, a skill set he can no longer rely on to make plays, so Payton has to truncate the playbook due to his inability to execute plays like he could 5 years ago.
He made his living on broken plays, he was never great in the pocket. NFL coaches think Wilson can just change his ways but are finding out the hard way that his best days are gone.
He was never any good, never learned how to run an offense and now that the legs aren’t there anymore he can’t run around schoolyard style to overcome his complete lack of ability at the position
I can't get over how slow Russ is now. He's too slow to generate the off-schedule magic he once did and he's never at any point been a quick reads/on-schedule QB. No coach or scheme can "fix" that.
last year's interim HC had almost the exact same team clicking on all cylinders and averaging a bit over 28 points per game against 2 playoff teams one going on to win the SB!. We need him back or Payotn needs to give him a call and ask him how was he able to do that or at least add him to the coaching staff! I think the last idea of adding him to Payton's staff is the solution!
russell has and seemingly always will need someone else to do blitz pickups for him. it's insane how bad he is at them, that's why the offensive line magically got so bad when his babysitter max unger got traded away
Bruh what? He was playing for the seahawks for pretty much his entire career and was arguably the best quarterback in the league and was top 3 statistically
That’s easier said than done. The offense in Seattle was something that Russ can’t do anymore. It was Russ throwing outside the numbers and a strong run game with Marshawn lynch.
@@ehleaming He seemed to be doing it just fine when Lynch left. He seemed to be doing it just fine his last year in Seattle. I dont think he can do the offense as well as he used to but its gotta be better than this, right?He's past his prime but I believe if he stayed in Seattle he would still be putting up solid numbers. Give him a run game (McLaughlin and Williams proved they can do it) Let him throw the deep ball a few more times (Marvin Mims looks solid for that role) and see what happens. Why not even try it at this point? Playoffs obviously isn't happening. At this point you need to see if Russell can be saved or if you gotta flush millions down the toilet and draft a QB next year.
TLDW: sean wants to play chess, russell can only play checkers. On top of it is the fact that Russ wanted out of Seattle because he thought he could play chess, when in reality he doesn't have the brain for it. Russell can't play checkers as well as he used to be able to, he's not slow, but he's not fast enough to escape as much as he used to.
I love when you marry big picture statistics and then dive into analyzing plays to demonstrate why those big picture statistics are happening. Not sure though that height is the real issue with Russ attacking over the middle, since Brees was roughly the same height.
Brees was also an outlier as a sub 6 foot guy who was comfy seeing the middle of the field. So I never like hearing him as an outlier try justify that other short kings should be able to do the same. Kyler can't see the middle of the field either but he makes up for it with athleticism and a strong enough arm to rocket it at the sidelines. If anything there are guys who are 6'1"~6'2" who also have problems seeing the middle of the field (and thus probably have zero anticipation) and would rather be rolling out to pass. Baker Mayfield became the poster boy for that type of player.
The 2023 Broncos are a team that had 70 points scored on them in a single game, have no #1 wr, and have a head coach who will point the finger at everybody but himself. Russell Wilson is far from the biggest issue.
You nailed the Time-to-Throw (TT) disconnect. I believe that Brees was 2.65 his final year playing under Peyton while Russell Wilson is over 3. That is a HUGE difference of at least 0.35 seconds on the average pass play. But Brees was better at quick processing than Wilson although Wilson can, or at least could, scramble and he had Tyler Lockett to bail him out on deep throws. Denver is grass while Seattle is turf and I actually argued that, when the trade was first made to get Wilson, I didn’t think Denver had a Locket-type guy on a fast track so I didn’t think Wilson was a good fit in Denver.
Russell Wilson was already neutered lol. Seems like Russ’s playing style is the most basic offense possible and anything else is a problem. Peyton clearly doesn’t see Russ as the long term answer. It’s still a mistake on Peyton’s part imo to not adapt and try and win more games and help Russ play to his potential but it’s pretty clear he (Peyton) sees this as the first and last year of the marriage
The D had the most points against in the entire league, Miami ran 300yards on them. Wilson was ranked 3rd best QB in the league before the KC loss. Hopefully you kids study up facts instead of puking on a pro who plays with genuine heart✌️
I don't know why people keep sticking to this narrative that Russ can't see over his OL? He has made many a plays over the middle of the field and from the pocket. In fact, early in his career his numbers being good outside of the pocket were good, he was even better from the pocket. I want to say at least 1 year he was the best QB from the pocket or at least towards the top.
I don't believe for a second you have ever seen Russell Wilson's heat map historically and year to year with the Seahawks. Him being a pocket passer has no factor in his inability to make passes underneath and in between the numbers.
I know this sounds like a cop out but when shit is fucked up all the time a quarterback tends to expect that. That's how they can miss when things actually go right. It should be understandable that a QB loses trust in players and systems. Everybody is human.
Payton has clearly having a massive ego stroke - but everything that's been wrong with the team has been on Payton's responsibility and he hasn't accepted any accountability for it. IMO they should dump him now.
my hot take: the broncos cut wilson either this or next offseason. russ finds a another team to sign with and goes off, and his reputation completely swings the other way
Not really hot. Some outlets have reported that due to how Russ' contract is structured and with how bad his play can get, there are only 2 options for him unless his contract gets restructured. Either the Broncos release him by March in the offseason (and eat that 85 million dead cap) or commit to him till 2026 and release him then when his dead cap is low enough.
Part of me hopes this is true so Wilson balls again, but part of me hopes it isn't because I want him to ball on my team. I love this guy; he's a huge inspiration for me and seeing him traded to my Broncos was huge... then he plays awfully because of Hackett's coaching, we get Payton and I think that'll fix it and I defend it to the death, only for Payton to somehow not know how to use Wilson and the offense, while still putting up good numbers, is not clicking well at all. Wilson needs a receiver to be a deep threat and he needs to be able to make off-schedule throws. Payton isn't allowing it, and the whole offense is suffering because of it. Put Mims in there for god's sake, let Wilson rip it a few times, win games and realize "wow our QB isn't so bad after all,". I'm just hoping Payton is cooking something up for the second half of the season... his teams usually pop off in the second half of the season, but I dunno about this time.
can't release him till atleast 2025 due to his enormous dead cap hit that would incur. dead cap hit this year would be 107m. next year 85m. 2025 49m. yikes!
@@ethanma3916 That is a possibility but that would mean Russ would have to be in the right situation as well. How many bad/mid teams are there now with decent talent on the rise on offense with a play caller that is alright having a sub 6 footer whose not as quick anymore as their QB for the forseeable competitive future? And how many of those teams would Russ consider to be great franchise targets to change his fortune?
He's playing at a far higher level than last year, so maybe it isn't Payton who is neutering him. More like the entire offense can't get out of it's way.
I can't figure out why they drafted Marvin Mims with their first pick, who went on to having top tier YPRR metrics across 2 weeks, and then decided to never friggin use him again. It's absolute madness.
You could be a top tier analyst of the game, but you still have to be able to lead a group of men and be able to have players that buy in to your system. That’s a skill that a lot of people don’t have.
Sean wasn't wrong in his judgment of last year's coaching -- but he's just repeating the mistake using a different offense that doesn't use Russ' strengths and forces him to try to do things he isn't good at. But he added the wrinkle of a much worse defense. To be fair, Russ is less bad at this year's offense than last year's, but it is still a square peg/round hole coaching performance.
When you say 3rd most time to throw, is that based on time from snap to throw or from snap to scramble? Russ has been forced to buy a lot of time because the line collapses as soon as the ball is snapped so I'm curious where that stat is coming from
I been saying for years the o-line is a problem but most was saying it's Drew Lock is the only problem that Denver is a qb away from a championship football is a team game with a bad or poor o-line and d-line there's not much anyone or any team can do
Well done Alex. I've seen every game, every snap and this breakdown confirms what I've seen. The Jets and Chiefs games were ridiculously embarrassing. The 3rd and long bubble screens...Red zone bubble screens...its laughably ridiculous. Not sure where he'll end up but pretty obvious Russ won't be in Denver next year. Thanks again
Though Russ and Bree’s are of the same build physically this goes to show you how much variation there is from player to player about how players strenths and weaknesses can play out in different offenses it’s clear that Russ is missing things that are schemed up well but it’s also on Peyton expecting Russ to be a carbon copy of drew Bree’s
Think Russ is neutering himself, Payton is just speeding up the process. Russ was never a great go through progressions type pocket passer. His best attributes were mobility and improvisation. The only pocket presence he had as a QB was when given time and defense is in man coverage with no deep safety help, he could throw a wickedly placed long ball. His strengths relied heavily on WRs that understood when a play was breaking up and having to reroute to free space and he had those types of WRs in Seattle with guys like Baldwin and Lockett. Denver doesn't have the WR personnel nor offensive scheme that suits Russ' game and declining age doesn't play to his strengths at all.
Russ’ time has passed. He sucks. He is smarter than all of us though , making over 200 million for doing an awful job at his job. Broncos fan of 34 years.
That would be sad but very possible. Around 2015 I believed the Hawks had these future HOF: Wilson, Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, and Kam Chancellor. Now it looks like the only locks are Sherman and Wagner.
Everyone always thinks Wilson is a play action deep ball qb, but if you wanna see his best film go watch the end of 2015 (vikings or after). They went to a west coast 3step drop offense where he could just read the defensedefenders
Great breakdown. Somehow Russ is top 5 in TDs rn with how obviously dysfunctional his style is with the playcalling, yet it never felt like this was meant to work out
His success in Seattle was predicated on trust. Carroll trusted Russ to /mostly/ follow the play designs. Russ and Doug Baldwin, Sydney Rice, Jermaine Kearse, and Tyler Lockett all trusted each other's instincts in scramble drills and option routes for deep balls. But as this video points out, no one trusts each other in Denver. Russ has been bad about reading defenses but I bet he's thinking even if he does, what's the point when the WR ain't in his spot or whatever. Or Cortland is gonna fumble the ball anyways. The locker room is busted over there.
Well the broncos are bottom 6 in rushing tds with 1 for the season. Basically the broncos are just opting to pass when they have scoring opportunities.
@@meric2363 Yeah Russ had weapons he can trust in Seattle along with a staff building on that trust. DK is a 6'4" mutant ball winner. Lockett can separate solely by his option route running. The running game can find big openings when they get it and can help load up the box to set up for Russ deep shots. Broncos do have a solid running attack but that option gets passed over when the bad defense can't keep opposing offenses from putting the Broncos in 2 score deficits before half time. And the pass game is nowhere consistent or explosive given the talents they have.
Lynch was good, the entire Defense was great to top tier but Russ was just along for the ride. He knows it, we knows it but the money gets the most attention and he knew he may get exposed taking that kind of money but did it anyway. He just has to endure the years to get the payout and then retire a VERY rich man and will put it all behind him. He cashed in on a great Seattle team and management like so many others and was exposed for it. A popular tell of teams that fail when the least skilled player gets the glory.
The problem was Nathaniel Hackett. Then the problem was the interim coach. Then the problem was his receivers. Now the problem is evidentially Sean Payton. The reality is that Russel Wilson is not an NFL starter anymore. He was never elite, and he was never an integral part of the Seahawks’ Super Bowl run.
"Then the problem was the interim coach," said no one ever. Denver looked unbelievable competent in their last two games last season. Wilson is being forced to play a style that he's never played before. Mechanically he looks better than last year, and he's playing better than last year, but the offense isn't clicking because Wilson isn't able to make the plays Payton wants him to, and it's on the coach to make sure your players can make those plays. Why do you think Tim Tebow and the 2011 team was able to make the playoffs and win a game? Tebow had great weapons, but he also had a coach that was willing to build an offensive plan around what Tebow was good at. I'm hoping Payton turns this ship around, but to me it seems he's too stubborn to build an offensive plan around what Wilson is good at, and it's killing the team's chemistry.
I keep hearing the same thing over and over from football analysts, that Peyton isn’t using and Vance Joseph isn’t adjusting to shifts and motions. The problem isn’t RW, the problem is the current coaches not coaching modern football. The reason the defense had success against KC was that VJ finally coached a modern scheme.
Here's a Wilson to Wilson comparison: The power struggle between a coach who demands a QB play in structure vs a quarterback who thrives on improvisation and playmaking is the exact same square-peg-circle-hole disaster we saw with Zach Wilson in his first two seasons in New York. Only now, under a new offensive coordinator, are we seeing Zach Wilson begin to flash the potential that made him the 2nd overall pick.
The underneath stuff Peyton wants only open up with the threat of the big play. Baldwin and then Lockett were able to decide to run any route in the tree, and Russ would simply buy time for them to come open against the coverage. That is going to pop in big moments every single time. Paired with play action off a legit run game and you have a perennial playoff team. Carroll saw the writing on the wall when his qb got older. If you can’t buy the time, you can’t make that deep threat work. Geno can read coverages, Russ can buy time. One can get older, the other isn’t allowed.
Geno also can work under center as well and still see downfield. As well as have the poise to throw in a crumbling pocket while a big defender goes to take him down. Russ' game under center wasn't as good as he got older with lack of mobility. So he was in shotgun more which limits the kind of situational runs utilized in that formation.
Vikings Oline is not good. And the Vikings have gained plenty of yards (12th most in football, firmly in the top half of the league in terms of offensive production) but just seem to be losing the coin flip games they were winning last year. Not making the big plays in the big moments, or making a mistake in a big moment.
Not true. Their o-line is decent bordering on good. They need a good RB and their secondary upgraded (the new GM's first draft, intended to help the secondary, was a disaster with the two high picks STILL not on the field). Why they refuse to tank hard is beyond me. @@rorytribbet6424
When Russ decided he didn't want to be a scrambling QB anymore and tried to only work from the pocket is when his decline started happening. I remember when he was new to the league, he was constantly taking off for 20-30 yard runs. The defense had to react to that. Now he's just a short pocket passer that can't see the middle of the field.
Any kind of scheme where you only throw outside passes will not work. It makes it too easy for the defense to cover. You can see in this video a lot of plays where Russell Wilson is not getting the ball to open guys over the middle. Whither it is his height or ability to read defensive coverage, he is not going to be successful ith such limited abilities to throw over the middle. A lot of offenses were like this before Bill Walsh came along. At that time, Most quarterbacks were lucky to have 50% completion rates.
Sean Payton does have the prime Brees and old drew Brees offenses at his memory. Prime Brees threw bombs (too many, half the time) and when he started getting older he changed his game. Not to mention that the same offense Payton used for teddy bridgewater, taysom hill, and jameis winston, with a good bit of success. All of a sudden it’s not meant for Wilson?
Jesus, this whole video is some cope. It's always everyone's fault but his. I wonder how many more OC's and HC's he'll get fired before people finally see clearly.
FALSE! Ciara neutered little Hollywood Wilson as soon as she married him; thus, Payton couldn't possibly have done it. Nonetheless, Russell and Payton deserve each other.
I have to imagine that Russell simply is not putting in the work, whether on the practice field or off-or both. He’s played long enough to know how NFL defenses work, how to attack them, etc. Yet he seems completely incapable of anticipating an open receiver and pulling the trigger on time. It makes no sense.
I know . Something must be going on . I’ve watched Russ since he came in the nfl. I always thought he had magical football instincts which does not seem to the case anymore.
Wilsons biggest frustration, even his last final years in seattle, is holding the ball waaaaay too long. He takes days to make decisions.
#LetRussCook
Sean Payton is wasting Russ’s career!
Dude is literally probably trying to see over the giants
@Gabriel2oh6 no russ doesn't know how to check down when a blitz presents itself
You gotta take the good with the bad, cause for every play he held the ball too long, there was another where he scrambled for 10 seconds while everyone was yelling at the TV to just check down or throw it away and then he’d magically find Doug Baldwin wide open for a 25 yard gain
@@mattforbes221 problem is after that Buffalo game in 2020, we started seeing a lot more bad than good. Not even interceptions and whatnot. Just constant blown drives, unnecessary sacks, and overthrows at the wrong time.
The longer Russ plays, the more Pete Carroll looks like a Hall of Fame coach.
The longer people give Russell credit for Seattles defense, the more I remember how many people give Tom Brady credit for Belicheks defenses
@@johncaccamoI’ve never once heard someone praise Brady for defense lol Donta Hightower was the pats defense leader for a majority of the 2010s and before that it was Ty law and Rodney Harrison lol you can’t take what fake fans say as legit lol if they don’t have an understanding of the game past watching one or two a year then yeah their gonna say some ludacris shit lol but I’ve never heard a legit fan say that
@@johncaccamohey tbf to Brady, he proved he could win without belichick. Even tho Tampa's defense was incredible too 😅. Bill has, as a HC; ONE 10-7 wildcard exit and an 11-5 missed playoffs without Tom, thats it
2 rings without Brady
Carroll IS a Hall of Fame coach. GTFOH.
I've been saying the same thing. I've been actively watching Russel this season. He'll look great, and then bam screen pass on 3rd and 12, they lose the game.
So russ needs to change the play on third
exactlyyy
@@ShaunHensleyPayton has been very clear with his dislike of QB audibles. Russ is probably afraid of doing it.
@@ItsChronoHawk For sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures
@@ShaunHensleythen he gets released 😂😂
I'm guessing Russ's huge contract is the only thing keeping him on the field.
That and maybe because he's 3rd in the NFL with TD passes
@@glennholden68201-5 😂
@@glennholden6820Thats irrelevant. He's played like shit the last season and a half, if they weren't paying him a quarter of a billion dollars, his ass would have been benched long ago.
@@serikjones6852worst defense in the league
@@serikjones6852my guy, if you are 3rd in TD passing and your team is 1-5 then the problem isn’t you.
Payton has demonstrated why he shouldn’t make the Hall. He’s a coordinator, not a head coach. His defenses were regularly terrible in New Orleans and this season has demonstrated both his arrogance and his refusal to adapt.
Gregg Williams had a terrible reputation in NFL circles before Bountygate.
“If you didn’t know you should have known.”
To Payton's benefit, he only had a few bad guys he chose for DC. The last one he stuck way too long for was Rex's not so great brother Rob Ryan. But his DC picks of Gregg Williams worked and especially Dennis Allen from his last years of coaching the Saints.
In truth, Payton’s offense is way too complicated. He succeeded in New Orleans bc his QB & receivers’ talent compensated for his lack of insight.
@@tringuyen7519 Isn't "too complicated" just another way of saying advanced or ahead of his time?? I see a LOT of teams using schemes and concepts he came up with. As they say imitation is the highest form of flattery.
Payton and Russ are remarkably similar: They both think they are held back by others when, in fact, they don't see their own weaknesses.@@tringuyen7519
What's even crazier before this is russ wanted Sean Payton as his coach in Seattle
russ is a moron on and off the field.
I bet he did 😂😂😂
Considering what we’re seeing rn, as a hawks fan I’m glad we never got to see that
This is more on Peyton idc as a HC u should be able to adjust to what u have at QB. McVay did it with Goff till he got Stafford
Funny how Goff is a better QB in Detroit than Stafford is in LA nowadays.
@@furiogiunta7886I wouldn't say better but he certainly improved
@@obukohwoogheneakpobo3011 Sure Stafford won a Superbowl with a great season, but for the past year and a half Stafford barely throws more TDs than he does INTs. Goff the past year and a half has been a highly efficient QB, one of the best in the NFL. The stats and the video tape doesn't lie, Goff is a much better QB than Stafford the past year and a half.
@@furiogiunta7886I just feel like until Goff gets to a SB I can't say he's better I mean his replacement got it done
2 things can be true though he's 100% got better
@@furiogiunta7886 Hilariously while Goff is running more of the Rams Stafford playbook that Ben Johnson uses. But Stafford being fearless with his deep ball is still huge even when the Rams run game suffers. There were games where the run game wasn't getting it done for the Lions and Goff had the opportunity to spearhead the Lions pass attack with his arm. And despite the high amount of pass attempts, he never outright dominated with his arm to help the Lions win.
What most people don't remember is that Pete Carroll actually let Russ cook for about a season or season and a half after they won their Superbowl and while he did put up nice numbers of 300-400 yards passing a game, they weren't winning, then Pete decided to go back to Lynch and legion of boom and they started winning games again, Russ is a nice game manager that by having the ability to throw deep, he keeps defenses from stacking the line while also having the ability to scramble, that most game managers like Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc. don't have. Drew Brees was actually a QB with a unique background, he came from one of the original spread shotgun offenses in Purdue when the program was at it's heyday, then he played under Marty Schottenheimer in first couple of year, under a very traditional coach, running a very traditional offense, which he struggled to adapt to until the end of his time in San Diego, but when he got to New Orleans with Sean Payton, having diverse experiences helped him I believe in Payton's offense.
Last time pete let russ cook was 2020, first half of the season he was the mvp, then played awful the rest of the season and loss againts the rams in wc
They actually were winning. Russ was holding things together despite a godawful defense that turned every single game into an offensive shootout until we hit the Bills where the defense utterly collapsed forcing Russ to force the ball downfield on every single drive just to try and keep up with the Bills offense which was scoring at will, so of course he ended up throwing picks because what other choice did he have? The fact people put that loss on him baffles me.
HTF were the Hawks "not winning"? Never a losing season until Russ was injured. He tried to tough it out but it really did affect him. Remember, the defense was as much to blame for inconsistent play. Russ had a great record of late game comebacks, saved their bacon many times. Saved more games than he he ever gave away. Furthermore, O line coach Tom Cable never fielded a decent line after key players left post super bowl. Pete Carroll is an arrogant prick who thinks he's some kind of genius. Spare me.
@@AnEnemySpy456 people like to pick and choose what they remember
He’s doing what Pete did and going to his defense, and stable of RBs in Javonte Williams and Jaleel McLaughlin.
Nobody mentions the significant downgrade Wilson has as weapons. Lockett and Metcalf are great weapons and all Denver has is a mediocre Judy
oh stop it bro, wasnt he plyaing well with the like of Ricardo Lockette and Kerse as his WR1 and WR2 for a couple of years?
@@roranoazoro6961lockette was never wr2. Or even wr3 really. Had Baldwin and kearse and Paul Richardson
@@roranoazoro6961Doug Baldwin was the wr1 for as long as he was on the field. Doug was a very good receiver.
@roranoazoro6961 2020 Tyler Lockett and Metcalf over 1000 yards receiving double digit touchdowns, Wilson over 4k yards 40:13 TD:int. Won the NFC west and got upset by the Rams.
Following season Wilson injured his finger.
Next, Goes to Denver and just has Sutton who is above average. Jeudy who is like Steve Smith said a tier 3 wr and Steve Smith was being nice when he said that. There is more blame to go around than Wilson and Payton.
@@NOPE71511haha, I told people Jeudy should have thanked Smith for paying him the compliment of being considered a JAG at all.
After watching that clip of Payton on the Herd last year, I truly think he came into the season knowing he was tanking for Caleb.
Hire the worse DC in the league in VJ, slowly take away control from Russ, then in the upcoming weeks they finally do a fire sale and trade everybody for draft capital. he really playing 4d chess if they somehow get caleb
It’s gonna be the Bears who get him which will be hilarious
Caleb is one of the most out of structure QBs in college so it's more like he's tanking for Maye.
It couldn’t have happened to a better qb Wilson has been overrated since he blew the Super Bowl.
@@JJ-zr6fuRuss didn't blow the SB. The defense blew a 10 point lead with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. They gave up 2 td's in like 4 minutes, not a td and fg, which would have won the game. They put the offense in that situation. People seem to forget that. The Seahawks were lucky to even get back to the goal line with less than 2 minutes to go the length of the field. I'm going to credit Malcolm Butler for making a good play.
Russ has his wish of having Payton as his HC 😂
Pretty sure Ciara neutered Wilson almost a decade ago.
I knew this one was coming!
Gonna be pretty hilarious if the Broncos tank for Caleb Williams, and Sean Payton ends up completely mismanaging his development as well.
It's also worth mentioning that in terms of play-style, Caleb Williams is far closer to Russel Wilson than Drew Breeze
What I hate about this whole thing is this - I believe Hackett and Russ would’ve figured out what they both like, and how they could do the thing together. Since Hackett was such a terrible HC (game management, locker room, etc), they couldn’t really focus on that aspect and it never worked. Now Payton is in, and is a fairly good HC, but won’t work with Russ whatsoever. Just wants him to do what he wants him to do.
As an addendum, it’s become obvious that Payton is staying, and if push comes to shove, Russ is on the block. I wish he would just let Russ loose and just see if the magic is there anymore. The problem for me as a Broncos fan the last 2 years has been the coaches trying to mold what Russ does instead of saying “hey you make $200 million, go make it work”.
Hackett let Russ cook and he burnt the whole kitchen down 😢
Russ couldn’t cook and serve Hackett’s spoiled food. Hackett was horrible.
@@Fallout3131 Russ can't cook with receivers dropping passes, not being able to get separation and running the wrong routes. He didn't burn down the house in Seattle, because he had a decent supporting cast. Russ didn't forget how to play when he got to Denver. The Broncos were a losing franchise when he got there. They haven't been in the playoffs in 6 seasons, but Seattle has. In fact they were in the playoffs 8 out of 10 seasons with Russ. You people act like football is not a team sport. 🤔
I’m a Seattle fan but I’ll always root for Russ, I agree with you here it’s a shame they won’t let the man do what he’s done for years. Denver has some lackluster weapons, it’s the same problem he used to have in Seattle where they expected him to be the offense, except in Denver it’s someone else’s offense he’s forced to run.
The problem is that Russ can't do that anymore. He holds on to the ball too long and now that he's getting up there in age, he's lost some of that quickness that allowed him to elude defenders.
payton is tanking at this point. he openly admitted on The Herd he would throw games late in the season if Caleb williams is a guaranteed pick for his team, and even defended the most controversial tank moments in history by explaining what these in the end meant for each franchise. If it's that clear that he is phasing out Wilson, you bet that his goal is to regain a top 2 pick in the draft to replace Wilson immediately.
The irony is that Caleb isnt that great.
@@johncaccamoyes he is. Let’s not overreact like everyone on the internet loves to do.
Why? Russ is better than Caleb why are they moving backwards?
@@Grind2Excellence Russ in 2023 is absolutely not a better quarterback than what Caleb is gonna be. Even if Caleb is mediocre in the NFL, he’s still gonna be better than whatever the hell Russell Wilson has been since the Hawks vs Bills game in 2020.
@@johncaccamo Payton would have ended up hating Caleb because of his personality -- the guy wants partial ownership of whatever team drafts him, only wants to play for a team based in a big party city (Las Vegas, New York, Los Angeles, etc) and is essentially just a shittier version of Russell Wilson.
As he should I've said it for about 4 years now that Wilson is more interested in celebrity than football
I don't doubt that Seattle knew what they were doing in the trade (obviously), but Russ had a stupid talent for scrambling and deep balls. He's definitely fallen off, but that talent doesn't abruptly leave somebody. Sean Payton without a pocket QB was just a bad idea of a mashup.
Actually when you never had talent it can just poof away when the legs go so he can’t school yard run around until the defense breaks down. He’s never learned how to run an offense
@@ellisdeefoley🤣😂🤣😂 Ok so he never had talent? Says the couch potato on his computer who's never played sport pass high school... Russ play style was to make up for his lack of height and ability to see over his line, so he adapted scrambling into the mix and won a super ( should've been 2) and led Seattle to multiple playoff appearances... Everyone's talent disappears when you've been injured multiple times... Peyton Manning and Drew Brees' shoulders... Neither of them can throw a football properly in the last years playing... Russ can throw but his talent and skills come from moving which he can't do easily anymore because he's been beat up for years in Seattle thanks to bad O-line play.
Watch the first three qtrs of his game…. Those scrambles were most 3 & outs.
@ellisdeefoley you don't win a super bowl and go to multiple pro bowls in the NFL where your competing against the best of the best if you don't have talent.
@@RobotRebelCinemaI think Russ makes his O-line look worse than it actually is. Of course his o-line is going to look terrible when he holds on to the ball forever. It’s the same thing with Justin fields.
So Payton can only coach one type of offense and Russ can only play one style of QB. One of the things I hate most about coaches are the ones that say "Stick with what got us here." metality. But I also hate QBs that can't play under adversity and is seems both those things seems to be going on right now.
IDK, If I were coaching, I'd do my best to play to the strengths of my players instead of trying to force a system. To me it's bad coaching.
Well but these QBs play a million games the same way, why draft or trade for a guy and run a system that doesn’t work.
Not all DBs are good on a 4-3 scheme…some are more built for 3-4
Coaches should always adapt to their players. Andy Reid has done it his entire career. So did Baltimore.
Payton is coaching guys open. Wilson is washed
Pete Carroll and the Seahawks came out looking like geniuses on that trade. Didn’t the end up with two top 20 picks last year? Lol
20th pick we used on JSN was our own slot but yes the 5th pick we used on Witherspoon was from Denver.
@@meric2363 still, they got to pick Top freaking 5! Witherspoon seems lights out, so not only did they rid themselves of Russ, they got Drew Lock, Fant, and Witherspoon. You gotta applaud them and this is coming from a 49ers fan
The top 10 picks were from 2022 and 2023
Part of the genius was that the value of those first rounds would turn to absolute gold especially for the 2023 draft while crushing the 2022 draft where most of their picks look like long term starters. For 2023 they got some great picks at day 1 and day 2/3 were more value/depth picks.
@@Jordan.Vaughn I honestly hope the hawks can put it all together again, so the Hawks and Niners can remind the nfl as to why they’re the best rivalry.
It's gonna be hilarious when the broncos finally get rid of Russ and then he's lighting up defenses on a new team. It would be so on brand.
Or they get rid of him and get Caleb or Drake in the draft. While Russ continues his subway ads with a new team. Now that sounds on brand,.
@@willemdaho3Caleb and Maye aren’t guaranteed to be great. Wilson is still a good QB even if he’s no longer elite.
Like Nathaniel Hackett, Sean Payton talked a good game about designing an offense around Russ’s talents but has not done it.
There’s something about Russ that makes these coaches dream about how u stoppable he could be as a pocket passer. The way to achieve that is to integrate the pocket game in spots. Russ’s game is about movement. He can burn teams from the pocket, but that’s not his biggest strength.
It would be like trying to play Michael Jordan at power forward or center. He was decent with his back to the basket (esp. against smaller defenders) but how many games would the Bulls have won by playing him in the low post all game long?
Payton doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Because Russel is washed. You say Russel's game is about movement, okay you're correct. But are you not seeing him getting chased down from behind by linemen? When did we EVER see that happen in Seattle? Never. If the last two seasons haven't shown you he's lost a step, nothing will.
"It would be like trying to play Michael Jordan at power forward or center. He was decent with his back to the basket (esp. against smaller defenders) but how many games would the Bulls have won by playing him in the low post all game long? "
Oh my.....go look at how he played with the Wizards not the Bulls years when he was in his prime. Russel Wilson isn't in his physical prime anymore......
It’s not that Payton doesn’t know what he is doing, russ is too old to run anymore. He gotten a lot slower and he’s not as mobile.
@@Michael-uu7zq I wouldn't even say it's a lot slower. But when you're playing against the best of the best, even a half a step is the difference between getting away from pressure and eating shit.
*_Well, the Broncos still have a shot at Caleb Williams next year._*
Pretty sure this was Payton's plan from day 1. Dude brought in Vance Joseph.
Not gonna be any better. Caleb thrives outside of structure too
If anyone could blow tanking by winning 4 games and ending up with the 8th pick, it’s the Broncos. 😂
Lots of teams will have a shot at Caleb when his draft stock drops as he continues to be exposed by quality opponents
He also said he needed company equity which may screw his draft stock. No team is doing that for a rookie QB
you should do a video comparing Russell in Seattle to him in Denver
Sean Payton is a player throwing under the bus quack.
I have a feeling he's trying to shimmy his way out of the situation, as well. I could be wrong tho. That's a ton of money, and he very well could get HIS QB in thos upcoming draft. Only time will tell.
Mrr. Unlimited is being neutered because he’s a 5 ft 10 QB in his mid thirties with declining athleticism, a skill set he can no longer rely on to make plays, so Payton has to truncate the playbook due to his inability to execute plays like he could 5 years ago.
Try 5'10 lol
5'10
He made his living on broken plays, he was never great in the pocket. NFL coaches think Wilson can just change his ways but are finding out the hard way that his best days are gone.
@@lindaparks4533 I’ll edit. Thanks
He was never any good, never learned how to run an offense and now that the legs aren’t there anymore he can’t run around schoolyard style to overcome his complete lack of ability at the position
Sean Payton does not like what Russ is cooking.
I can't get over how slow Russ is now. He's too slow to generate the off-schedule magic he once did and he's never at any point been a quick reads/on-schedule QB. No coach or scheme can "fix" that.
Good video and explanation, i have been trying to explain this to people and this video is exactly what i needed
Broncos defense allowed 70 points in one game. If you're blaming Russ you will never solve the problem. HELLO!
last year's interim HC had almost the exact same team clicking on all cylinders and averaging a bit over 28 points per game against 2 playoff teams one going on to win the SB!. We need him back or Payotn needs to give him a call and ask him how was he able to do that or at least add him to the coaching staff! I think the last idea of adding him to Payton's staff is the solution!
Don't buy too much into Klint Kubiak's play calling even in a small sample size. Vikings fans would tell you much about his play calling back in 2021.
russell has and seemingly always will need someone else to do blitz pickups for him. it's insane how bad he is at them, that's why the offensive line magically got so bad when his babysitter max unger got traded away
A quarterback always needs someone to do blitz pick ups….
I think you worded your shit wrong lol. But he does just fine changing protections.
Weird that his last three coaches have "neutered" Russ. It couldn't be that Russ isn't that good anymore, right?
Bruh what? He was playing for the seahawks for pretty much his entire career and was arguably the best quarterback in the league and was top 3 statistically
serious question: can you please do a sequal to this video
I don't understand why neither Hackett or Payton figured out they need to run the same offense as Seattle.
That’s easier said than done. The offense in Seattle was something that Russ can’t do anymore. It was Russ throwing outside the numbers and a strong run game with Marshawn lynch.
@@ehleaming He seemed to be doing it just fine when Lynch left. He seemed to be doing it just fine his last year in Seattle. I dont think he can do the offense as well as he used to but its gotta be better than this, right?He's past his prime but I believe if he stayed in Seattle he would still be putting up solid numbers. Give him a run game (McLaughlin and Williams proved they can do it) Let him throw the deep ball a few more times (Marvin Mims looks solid for that role) and see what happens. Why not even try it at this point? Playoffs obviously isn't happening. At this point you need to see if Russell can be saved or if you gotta flush millions down the toilet and draft a QB next year.
TLDW: sean wants to play chess, russell can only play checkers. On top of it is the fact that Russ wanted out of Seattle because he thought he could play chess, when in reality he doesn't have the brain for it.
Russell can't play checkers as well as he used to be able to, he's not slow, but he's not fast enough to escape as much as he used to.
Glad this ended on a positive note. The key is everyone has to adapt.
Very very very good 👍 breakdown bro! As always.
I love when you marry big picture statistics and then dive into analyzing plays to demonstrate why those big picture statistics are happening. Not sure though that height is the real issue with Russ attacking over the middle, since Brees was roughly the same height.
Brees was also an outlier as a sub 6 foot guy who was comfy seeing the middle of the field. So I never like hearing him as an outlier try justify that other short kings should be able to do the same. Kyler can't see the middle of the field either but he makes up for it with athleticism and a strong enough arm to rocket it at the sidelines. If anything there are guys who are 6'1"~6'2" who also have problems seeing the middle of the field (and thus probably have zero anticipation) and would rather be rolling out to pass. Baker Mayfield became the poster boy for that type of player.
The 2023 Broncos are a team that had 70 points scored on them in a single game, have no #1 wr, and have a head coach who will point the finger at everybody but himself. Russell Wilson is far from the biggest issue.
You nailed the Time-to-Throw (TT) disconnect. I believe that Brees was 2.65 his final year playing under Peyton while Russell Wilson is over 3. That is a HUGE difference of at least 0.35 seconds on the average pass play. But Brees was better at quick processing than Wilson although Wilson can, or at least could, scramble and he had Tyler Lockett to bail him out on deep throws. Denver is grass while Seattle is turf and I actually argued that, when the trade was first made to get Wilson, I didn’t think Denver had a Locket-type guy on a fast track so I didn’t think Wilson was a good fit in Denver.
Seahawks fans who are smart have been saying Russ holds the ball too long for a few years now.
Russell Wilson is circling the toilet drain.
Russell Wilson was already neutered lol. Seems like Russ’s playing style is the most basic offense possible and anything else is a problem. Peyton clearly doesn’t see Russ as the long term answer. It’s still a mistake on Peyton’s part imo to not adapt and try and win more games and help Russ play to his potential but it’s pretty clear he (Peyton) sees this as the first and last year of the marriage
Russell Wilson’s offense was top 10 every single year of his career until he became a Bronco.
The D had the most points against in the entire league, Miami ran 300yards on them. Wilson was ranked 3rd best QB in the league before the KC loss. Hopefully you kids study up facts instead of puking on a pro who plays with genuine heart✌️
I don't know why people keep sticking to this narrative that Russ can't see over his OL? He has made many a plays over the middle of the field and from the pocket. In fact, early in his career his numbers being good outside of the pocket were good, he was even better from the pocket. I want to say at least 1 year he was the best QB from the pocket or at least towards the top.
I don't believe for a second you have ever seen Russell Wilson's heat map historically and year to year with the Seahawks. Him being a pocket passer has no factor in his inability to make passes underneath and in between the numbers.
@@t4d0W you would be wrong. and yes, making passes underneath and in the middle of the field comes from being in the pocket. Thanks for playing.
I know this sounds like a cop out but when shit is fucked up all the time a quarterback tends to expect that. That's how they can miss when things actually go right. It should be understandable that a QB loses trust in players and systems. Everybody is human.
This was very well broken down. Great video!
Payton has clearly having a massive ego stroke - but everything that's been wrong with the team has been on Payton's responsibility and he hasn't accepted any accountability for it. IMO they should dump him now.
Payton needs a Tua type QB. Russ is not Tua. Sucks for both of them. I feel it falls on the coach more, unfortunately.
my hot take: the broncos cut wilson either this or next offseason. russ finds a another team to sign with and goes off, and his reputation completely swings the other way
Not really hot. Some outlets have reported that due to how Russ' contract is structured and with how bad his play can get, there are only 2 options for him unless his contract gets restructured. Either the Broncos release him by March in the offseason (and eat that 85 million dead cap) or commit to him till 2026 and release him then when his dead cap is low enough.
@@t4d0W well the hot take part isn't that he'll get cut, it's that he'll join another team and ball out
Part of me hopes this is true so Wilson balls again, but part of me hopes it isn't because I want him to ball on my team. I love this guy; he's a huge inspiration for me and seeing him traded to my Broncos was huge... then he plays awfully because of Hackett's coaching, we get Payton and I think that'll fix it and I defend it to the death, only for Payton to somehow not know how to use Wilson and the offense, while still putting up good numbers, is not clicking well at all. Wilson needs a receiver to be a deep threat and he needs to be able to make off-schedule throws. Payton isn't allowing it, and the whole offense is suffering because of it. Put Mims in there for god's sake, let Wilson rip it a few times, win games and realize "wow our QB isn't so bad after all,". I'm just hoping Payton is cooking something up for the second half of the season... his teams usually pop off in the second half of the season, but I dunno about this time.
can't release him till atleast 2025 due to his enormous dead cap hit that would incur. dead cap hit this year would be 107m. next year 85m. 2025 49m. yikes!
@@ethanma3916 That is a possibility but that would mean Russ would have to be in the right situation as well. How many bad/mid teams are there now with decent talent on the rise on offense with a play caller that is alright having a sub 6 footer whose not as quick anymore as their QB for the forseeable competitive future? And how many of those teams would Russ consider to be great franchise targets to change his fortune?
Lol. The worst combo of coach & QB. A coach who’s offense is based on timing and precision, paired with a improvising play action deep shot QB.
I always strongly disliked russ. Strongly dislike Payton after bounty gate. So theres a bitter satisfaction seeing them continue to be sub par.
He's playing at a far higher level than last year, so maybe it isn't Payton who is neutering him. More like the entire offense can't get out of it's way.
I can't figure out why they drafted Marvin Mims with their first pick, who went on to having top tier YPRR metrics across 2 weeks, and then decided to never friggin use him again. It's absolute madness.
How are UA-camrs analyzing the game better then head coaches and ACTUAL Offensive coordinator’s 😭
You could be a top tier analyst of the game, but you still have to be able to lead a group of men and be able to have players that buy in to your system. That’s a skill that a lot of people don’t have.
@@mjc4297teaching internet idiots is a fools errand my friend. Just read and shake your head.
The old Broncos carried Payton Manning to a SB. Comprehensive failure like this is the coach, not the QB. The front office even more.
"russell carrington wilson is not responsible for russell carrington wilson"
ya ok 🤣🤣
People need to remember that Sean Peyton isn't the reason Drew Brees won a Super Bowl, he's the reason Drew Brees ONLY won ONE Super Bowl.
Sean wasn't wrong in his judgment of last year's coaching -- but he's just repeating the mistake using a different offense that doesn't use Russ' strengths and forces him to try to do things he isn't good at. But he added the wrinkle of a much worse defense. To be fair, Russ is less bad at this year's offense than last year's, but it is still a square peg/round hole coaching performance.
yeah but all those old numbers were with Pete's players and offense
Someone needs to do a deep dive on how this all was foreshadowed in the Seattle days.
When you say 3rd most time to throw, is that based on time from snap to throw or from snap to scramble? Russ has been forced to buy a lot of time because the line collapses as soon as the ball is snapped so I'm curious where that stat is coming from
I been saying for years the o-line is a problem but most was saying it's Drew Lock is the only problem that Denver is a qb away from a championship football is a team game with a bad or poor o-line and d-line there's not much anyone or any team can do
Well done Alex. I've seen every game, every snap and this breakdown confirms what I've seen. The Jets and Chiefs games were ridiculously embarrassing. The 3rd and long bubble screens...Red zone bubble screens...its laughably ridiculous.
Not sure where he'll end up but pretty obvious Russ won't be in Denver next year. Thanks again
Though Russ and Bree’s are of the same build physically this goes to show you how much variation there is from player to player about how players strenths and weaknesses can play out in different offenses it’s clear that Russ is missing things that are schemed up well but it’s also on Peyton expecting Russ to be a carbon copy of drew Bree’s
Where do you find stats like they run the 4th most screens?
Think Russ is neutering himself, Payton is just speeding up the process. Russ was never a great go through progressions type pocket passer. His best attributes were mobility and improvisation. The only pocket presence he had as a QB was when given time and defense is in man coverage with no deep safety help, he could throw a wickedly placed long ball. His strengths relied heavily on WRs that understood when a play was breaking up and having to reroute to free space and he had those types of WRs in Seattle with guys like Baldwin and Lockett. Denver doesn't have the WR personnel nor offensive scheme that suits Russ' game and declining age doesn't play to his strengths at all.
It’s funny the past two seasons broncos have had nothing but hype before and they have been absolutely terrible😂 broncos franchise is just awful now
There is no way Wilson can win the lockerroom
Russ’ time has passed. He sucks. He is smarter than all of us though , making over 200 million for doing an awful job at his job.
Broncos fan of 34 years.
Payton went from a QB who threw 5000 yards a season to Wilson who barely reaches 3000 yards a season.
Russ carried the Seahawks offense for so many years. Now bro might actually get snubbed from the HOF
That would be sad but very possible. Around 2015 I believed the Hawks had these future HOF: Wilson, Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, and Kam Chancellor. Now it looks like the only locks are Sherman and Wagner.
Everyone always thinks Wilson is a play action deep ball qb, but if you wanna see his best film go watch the end of 2015 (vikings or after). They went to a west coast 3step drop offense where he could just read the defensedefenders
He’s trying to turn Magic Johnson into Gary Payton.
As a life long saints fan, i think sean is doing this on purpose to russ. He did better with Mr Eat a W. How cant he have success with Russ?
Lombardi had the same problem with Stafford
Payton was never good.
Drew Brees was the most accurate passer in history. That's where the success came from.
Makes me wonder why Payton wanted this job.
Great breakdown. Somehow Russ is top 5 in TDs rn with how obviously dysfunctional his style is with the playcalling, yet it never felt like this was meant to work out
His success in Seattle was predicated on trust. Carroll trusted Russ to /mostly/ follow the play designs. Russ and Doug Baldwin, Sydney Rice, Jermaine Kearse, and Tyler Lockett all trusted each other's instincts in scramble drills and option routes for deep balls.
But as this video points out, no one trusts each other in Denver. Russ has been bad about reading defenses but I bet he's thinking even if he does, what's the point when the WR ain't in his spot or whatever. Or Cortland is gonna fumble the ball anyways. The locker room is busted over there.
Well the broncos are bottom 6 in rushing tds with 1 for the season. Basically the broncos are just opting to pass when they have scoring opportunities.
@@meric2363 Yeah Russ had weapons he can trust in Seattle along with a staff building on that trust. DK is a 6'4" mutant ball winner. Lockett can separate solely by his option route running. The running game can find big openings when they get it and can help load up the box to set up for Russ deep shots. Broncos do have a solid running attack but that option gets passed over when the bad defense can't keep opposing offenses from putting the Broncos in 2 score deficits before half time. And the pass game is nowhere consistent or explosive given the talents they have.
Lynch was good, the entire Defense was great to top tier but Russ was just along for the ride. He knows it, we knows it but the money gets the most attention and he knew he may get exposed taking that kind of money but did it anyway. He just has to endure the years to get the payout and then retire a VERY rich man and will put it all behind him.
He cashed in on a great Seattle team and management like so many others and was exposed for it. A popular tell of teams that fail when the least skilled player gets the glory.
Ahhh thanks John/Pete
The problem was Nathaniel Hackett. Then the problem was the interim coach. Then the problem was his receivers. Now the problem is evidentially Sean Payton. The reality is that Russel Wilson is not an NFL starter anymore. He was never elite, and he was never an integral part of the Seahawks’ Super Bowl run.
"Then the problem was the interim coach," said no one ever. Denver looked unbelievable competent in their last two games last season. Wilson is being forced to play a style that he's never played before. Mechanically he looks better than last year, and he's playing better than last year, but the offense isn't clicking because Wilson isn't able to make the plays Payton wants him to, and it's on the coach to make sure your players can make those plays. Why do you think Tim Tebow and the 2011 team was able to make the playoffs and win a game? Tebow had great weapons, but he also had a coach that was willing to build an offensive plan around what Tebow was good at. I'm hoping Payton turns this ship around, but to me it seems he's too stubborn to build an offensive plan around what Wilson is good at, and it's killing the team's chemistry.
and before that it was pete carroll. before that, brian schottenheimer. and before that, darrell bevell.
I keep hearing the same thing over and over from football analysts, that Peyton isn’t using and Vance Joseph isn’t adjusting to shifts and motions. The problem isn’t RW, the problem is the current coaches not coaching modern football. The reason the defense had success against KC was that VJ finally coached a modern scheme.
Here's a Wilson to Wilson comparison: The power struggle between a coach who demands a QB play in structure vs a quarterback who thrives on improvisation and playmaking is the exact same square-peg-circle-hole disaster we saw with Zach Wilson in his first two seasons in New York. Only now, under a new offensive coordinator, are we seeing Zach Wilson begin to flash the potential that made him the 2nd overall pick.
The underneath stuff Peyton wants only open up with the threat of the big play. Baldwin and then Lockett were able to decide to run any route in the tree, and Russ would simply buy time for them to come open against the coverage. That is going to pop in big moments every single time. Paired with play action off a legit run game and you have a perennial playoff team.
Carroll saw the writing on the wall when his qb got older. If you can’t buy the time, you can’t make that deep threat work. Geno can read coverages, Russ can buy time. One can get older, the other isn’t allowed.
Geno also can work under center as well and still see downfield. As well as have the poise to throw in a crumbling pocket while a big defender goes to take him down. Russ' game under center wasn't as good as he got older with lack of mobility. So he was in shotgun more which limits the kind of situational runs utilized in that formation.
Would love a breakdown of the Vikings offensive struggles. Good oline, skill position players, and qb but they cant seem to do much
Vikings Oline is not good. And the Vikings have gained plenty of yards (12th most in football, firmly in the top half of the league in terms of offensive production) but just seem to be losing the coin flip games they were winning last year. Not making the big plays in the big moments, or making a mistake in a big moment.
Not true. Their o-line is decent bordering on good. They need a good RB and their secondary upgraded (the new GM's first draft, intended to help the secondary, was a disaster with the two high picks STILL not on the field). Why they refuse to tank hard is beyond me. @@rorytribbet6424
When Russ decided he didn't want to be a scrambling QB anymore and tried to only work from the pocket is when his decline started happening.
I remember when he was new to the league, he was constantly taking off for 20-30 yard runs. The defense had to react to that. Now he's just a short pocket passer that can't see the middle of the field.
It is almost like Payton is a below-average coach when he doesn't pay players to injure opponents
Any kind of scheme where you only throw outside passes will not work. It makes it too easy for the defense to cover. You can see in this video a lot of plays where Russell Wilson is not getting the ball to open guys over the middle. Whither it is his height or ability to read defensive coverage, he is not going to be successful ith such limited abilities to throw over the middle. A lot of offenses were like this before Bill Walsh came along. At that time, Most quarterbacks were lucky to have 50% completion rates.
Its funny that RW3 got his dream coach and his dream coach seemingly doesn't trust him.
Or maybe he has lost the ability to outrun his opponents? Just a thought.
Russ record as a Bronco is 5-16 😂, hes also way slower now and cant outrun defenders anymore
hey that's one way to put it
Sean Payton does have the prime Brees and old drew Brees offenses at his memory. Prime Brees threw bombs (too many, half the time) and when he started getting older he changed his game. Not to mention that the same offense Payton used for teddy bridgewater, taysom hill, and jameis winston, with a good bit of success. All of a sudden it’s not meant for Wilson?
Alex , would michel penix jr work for the Steelers?
Wilson could NEVER 'cook', IMO.
I don’t think you can win a Super Bowl with Russ’s play style unless it’s used sparingly.
If Sean Payton adapted the offense to his playing style they'd win 3 Superbowl
I swear I saw similar videos about Hackett limiting Wilson. Wilson just sucks now that he's not that fast anymore.
Jesus, this whole video is some cope. It's always everyone's fault but his. I wonder how many more OC's and HC's he'll get fired before people finally see clearly.
this is all pete carroll's fault 😂
Are you sure it's not Pete Carroll's fault still?
Payton just trying to lose...
FALSE! Ciara neutered little Hollywood Wilson as soon as she married him; thus, Payton couldn't possibly have done it. Nonetheless, Russell and Payton deserve each other.
I have to imagine that Russell simply is not putting in the work, whether on the practice field or off-or both. He’s played long enough to know how NFL defenses work, how to attack them, etc. Yet he seems completely incapable of anticipating an open receiver and pulling the trigger on time. It makes no sense.
He is one of the hardest working NFL players. What are you talking about? 😂👎
I know . Something must be going on . I’ve watched Russ since he came in the nfl. I always thought he had magical football instincts which does not seem to the case anymore.
Trautman should not be allowed to run option routes.