pretty sure it also applies to only having a health type incompatible with the character you're changing to, like soul hearts with bethany or red hearts with blue baby
The sea scrolls I agree with but cursed eye can be really good especially with soy milk or the lost/tainted lost it’s a risk reward item it’s really good if you manage to not get hit when charging and plus you can shoot it even if it’s not fully charged and still get multiple tears out of it if you get black candle cursed eye is amazing since it gets rid of the teleporting effect
Actually, you can kill Delirium with Plan C while having items which instantly revive you in the same room These are: - Lazarus' rags (works only for this character, since you will transform into him and get only his unlocks) - Inner child (Isaac transforms into a tiny baby upon death and deals damage to the enemies around him) -Tainted Lost's birthright (only this character, acts as an extra life, causes explosion after death and deals 200 damage to everything in close proximity) - Soul of Lazarus (this time works for all characters)
@@dontgotoeiriel166 Oh, it’s called Heartbreak I’ve checked the wiki and, unfortunately, it says that neither Heartbreak nor Spirit Shackles will activate upon Plan C’s usage I also didn’t mention that while playing as Tainted Lazarus, you can use Plan C as one of his forms and then use Flip to pause the inevitable death Don’t know anything about its interaction with Berserk! though
@@hopper8514 not necessarily Unlocking one tainted character is enough Let’s say, you’ve unlocked Tainted Eve, and you want to fight the Beast with her to get the mark, and the inner child will already be on the Home floor after you use the cracked key, Red Key, etc. on the same door
I dont really mind Plan C. There isn't a single other active item in the game that'll be more useful against a final boss at its last phase. So if I'm already getting close to that boss or have an active that's not making much of a difference, I'd easily take it. If my goal is The Beast and ive already begun the ascent, what good is it gonna do me to keep something like Spider Butt, Void, or Pinking Shears? I'd rather guarantee my win just from killing the ultra horsemen.
I mean valid but at the same time the beast fight isn't really hard enough (unless you are having a really bad run and just trying to force it) to need plan c. If you got over the horsemen you can probably 1 phase the beast relatively easy. They definitely should make it so it can actually earn the completion marks for bosses people would want to use it for and not just 1 phase from the beast or mother. Edit: Spider butt is also unironically pretty goated against the horsemen.
Dataminer truly shines with the funny rock (Rock Bottom) But you forgot to mention Blood Rights or whatever the active that looks like a straight razor is called
you still get stat downs with rock bottom, you just don't see them. but if you take a -1 dmg down with rock bottom, and then get a +1 dmg up, it literally does nothing
@@dontgotoeiriel166wrong, the stat down doesnt apply and further more, it will be disipated next room, whereas the stat up wont. this means that eventually youll get +1 stat up in every stat which is not precisely what i call truly shining. however, multiple uses of datamining, or if you happen to underflow a stat can get p broken w rock bottom
@@adrad It depends. There are a lot of items that benefit from having slow tears. Also, in this case, you don't have to worry about hitting the enemy or not since you have homing tears.
Clicker isn't buggy, but your health gets set to half a heart if you switch to the lost.. cause the lost internally technically always has half a soul heart A switch into a different character won't undo it
I DESPISE rocket in a jar, I dont know if its just a me thing that I forget I have it just 0.004 seconds after picking it up but I ALWAYS take damage to it by running into a wall and using it thinking I have normal bombs, also the main idea is that you use your bombs(as rockets) offensively but unless you have the 99 bombs item or have a golden bomb for that floor its never worth it to use a bomb for that, honestly instead of it being activated by moving and using a bomb it should be by shooting and using a bomb that simple change would make it so much better
I had a jacob & esau run yesterday with everything jar on the beast. When I used it I got dataminer and died from rocks because the beast and rocks were sideways. R.I.P.
Dataminer's a really niche use item, but its niche uses (underflowing stats) is really helpful. You can go from 100 dmg and 1 tear to 99 dmg and 120 tears. Much more potential than like, any of the bean items.
My idea for less sicky Dataminer: No more negative stat changes on use. Upon use still flips sprites and grants an all stats up similar to sausage. However you don't get to keep it. It's 2nd ability is you can use it to see question mark pedestals at the cost of the chance to turn said pedestal into a tmtrainer item. But if you risk taking said item you keep the all stats up permanently.
I dont get the hate on the glass shard item, its one of the best average items ive ever stumbled upon and its amazing for not only chip damaging bosses but also room clearing, if the hate comes from needing a heart to heal, just make sure you dont grab it with little to no hearts, since its very unlikely the item is not gonna drop you half a heart
To put it simply it's almost never worth the health drain, the rng on the heart drops are also just extremely inconsistent, it's medium reward high risk, ergo not worth taking. It's quality 1 for a reason. Also a lot of higher level Isaac is resource management wasting hearts that could've gone to a devil beggar or sac room, or blood donation machine can pretty much lose you a run
Clicker is genius if you're rigging with the lost or tainted cain , getting a genuinely god tier combo and getting the most broken items in the game then proceed to finish the run as the desired , most god forbid characters in the entire game, such as the moron brothers or the tainted lost . However , data dataminer is surely a terrible item , but i should try rock bottom on it and see if the stats stay up , giving free stats up for free .
@stefperb9531 exactly Just use tainted cain , get e.coli midas and aeres , get money , craft pound of flesh and restock , craft (holy mantle if you feel unsecure) then some mid stuff , craft clicker , become the lost , head to the nearest shop and voilà
@@mrbaddinor you know, get bone,black heart pickup and one of the 4 golden item pickup, and diplopia (jera if you have restock on member shop ) abuse it to get 15 tier 4 item and crash your game by clicking a single button, before you spend 6 hours meticulously crafting 9 r key and a clicker with schoolbag for a duo full completion mark in one run
I dont get the hate towards the Cursed Eye. Personally after the buff, this item is very good. However, cant help it but be disappointed to find it, with a 5.00 tear rate, because it would hinder me as oppose to help me. SO I think it COULD use a buff, so its all around helpful, with STILL being risk reward type of item. Basically, if you hit the cap of 5.00, you would get an extra shot and if you break the cap or get more tears up upgrades, you would get additional tear for your Cursed Eye. That way, despite you being maxed out, you can still pick it up and be better than ever, with STILL having the warping effect so it would have that risk reward factor to it. TL;DR: I think Cursed Eye is fine and being hated on, but cant help to give it a different buff so its useful when you have good tear rate.
Bob's brain, BFF, and IBS are the worst items in the game. With clicker, dataminer, and plan C, you can just not use them. But if you start an eden run with any of these three items or pick them up on a blind floor you will take so much self damage from them activating at bad times and blowing up in your face that it ruins the run every time.
Bobs brain can at least be controlled, but bbf is just garbage. I would rather have a boom fly spawn in every room rather than have bbf (i think you meant bbf, bff is very good)
Curse of tower? I get this pretty often and with Glitter Bombs I get infinite items. With this plus sack head I got 99/99/99 and golden key and bomb in Depths 1 some days ago. With Pyromaniac you are virtually Immortal. With Sad Bombs you get hurt = everyone get hurt more With Host you just see the world burn. And with Safety Scissors you have infinite bombs (plus sack head, infinite items)
You don’t fully have to charge it to get the multiple tears it’s amazing with tainted lost/lost and if you get black candle the teleporting gets nullified. And if you have soy milk it’s really good aswell
I'd say Cube Baby, Lil' Portal, and Lil' Hushy. Cube Baby does pathetic damage in the exchange that you have to go really far out of your way to use it. Lil' Portal sucks up a ton of resources for just about nothing. Lil' Hushy is pretty much Distant Admiration, but it isn't relevant to the character and it has no strategy to utilize it
Clicker is good for unlocks when you have a broken build, especially when u breakfast and can get basically infinite breakfast. I had a huge run with clicker and a almost full moving box of r keys
nah, get yourself a d20 on greedier mode, get a god run with R keys, blank cards, whatever you want and clicker then boom, you have an easy and fast way to farm the greed donation machine and unlocks for all characters
clicker is pretty cool, i like to use it if i find it on a good run that can go further than i need (like when i beat mega and get a 50% portal while already having deli beaten with character i am currently) i rarely use dataminer but it's kinda cool, i usually pop it at least once when i have a better spacebar item and keep it when i don't (it's cool to get damage up while getting some useless stat down like shot speed or range) i think plan c could be cool if you had a plan how to use it, but i almost never used it (unless you count the times it ended my run on april fool's challenge)
For red heart characters, guppy item with 9 lives. It not only puts you to low hp when you die once, but if you’re at a fight you can’t win, you’re forced to die 8 more times just for the pain to end.
My side note: Plan C is like that because I'm pretty sure it's part of the lore, since isaac hates himself and allat, when the player takes plan c, the boss dies because Isaac dies too. Just my theory and/or side note
You can kill beast with plan c tested that like 5 days ago. Just wait till she actually spawns and you will die on almost the same frame the game enters the cutscene, giving you the post it note and the win
Im surprised cursed eye wasn’t here. I can see it being useful but every time I get it it never synergizes with anything I have and makes the whole run dreadful. Especially against bosses.
Plan C is actually pretty good with certain characters, as long as you have an extra life you get a free instakill on bosses. Having items like inner child or t. Lost birthright that respawns you in the same room (especially T. Lost Birthright) can make beating hard bosses like delirium or mother phase 2 (imo hardest phase of any boss in the entire game) literally 1 button.
Honestly if I dont have an active and I see dataminer its a pick. That random stat up and down is the chaos I like. If I get a bad stat down idc I'm still trying. Its that good stat up I'm looking for.
Plan C had to be nerfed in the past as it was basically a free unlock as the timer used to be longer before death, meaning you could wait out quite a lot of bosses... You could also tank the death with Gnawed leaf and other similar effects in the past too...
Plan c can be utilised to kill delirium and get the achievement/unlock. When drl dies, he does the white noise thing. When you see it, hit pause and wait for the animation to end. Do this several times (pause after each white noise) and you'll die right after game gives you the achievement By the way clicker is essential to do the Mega break. Russian youtuber and streamer Neonomi has created the way to do almost (except mega satan and beast) every mark on every character in *ONE* run.
I’ve only once willingly used Plan C, and it was after defeating all the horsemen for the Beast fight. On my Dead God file I just saw it, and used it just to get it checked off lmao
Clicker has made doing greedier for all tainted characters a breeze. Just get op items, make a bunch of battery packs and start using clicker until you get to the character you need the greedier completion for
One time I got the clicker as Isaac and so I used it changed into lazerus (I’m bad at spelling sorry) and then picked the D6 back up it was a really fun run
Clicker is insane when you have already rigged, it lets you utterly breeze any character unlocks and unlock death certificate on your 5th run, especially with it being unlocked by default.
I love the clicker, only for greed mode though. Its incredibly easy for me to break the run as T. Isaac, then switch characters to actually use all the items.
One time I was trying to unlock Lilith and I saw clicker (I didn’t know what it did at the time) so I used it and it turned me into Magdalene and then I died
I see few people mentioning Guillotine. How can a orbital with a good damage up be this bad. I am fine with cursed Eye, Bobs Brain even BBF and IBS. But the sheer disorientation I get from this item always manages it to screw me over.
No because rock bottom works in a way so you have a 2nd hidden line of stat's that still decreases basically say you use mega mush and get the huge dmg up, upon becoming small again ur in game shown stats keep the dmg from it but the hidden stats lower it back down, meaning to get higher dmg in the future you'd need to build up more dmg to pass over that cap, it's why if u take soy milk and start taking dmg ups it won't change ur dmg at all or not by much, since it still needs to basically play catch up to the shown stat's Technically ur correct, it won't lower them, but then dataminer becomes practically useless after 3 or 4 uses, and still harms the stat's granted by future items in the run
i found value in clicker when i got an r key on greed mode after clogging the donation machine, it reset it so i could donate twice as muxh, never had any other value tho
One item that is the worst is broken shovel it actively try's to kill you plus it takes up an active item slot. Yes, I know you need it to get forgotten but it is an item itself that does nothing good.
when playing greedier and rigging it hard, I had to desperately search for clicker just to get a tainted character out of the way. 1 godsend later, and now I don’t have to play tainted ???
I think Plan C and Dataminer are some of the worst lol, but they are that bright red for a reason. Clicker I actually used somewhat effectively today by finding it on a Tainted Keeper run in Greedier. Basically got juiced up and then clutched it out as Tainted Samson. The other run with Clicker Turned me into Tainted Forgotten with super high range and I couldn’t hit the boss lmao.
Plan C is merely just killing yourself I mean What if all of this is just in isaacs head And when isaac kills himself, the imaginary monsters die with him Which is why all monsters in the room die but isaac dies too
You can abuse Clicker by playing tainted Cain : First, you make a Classic tainted Cain crazy build Then, you craft a bunch of battery pack Then you craft clicker and you switch to a caracter that misses an unlock.
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Plan c is good with certain resurrection items. Like inner child or laz rags.
yep, true, dead cat is also a same room revive if you are fighting the beast btw
@@rixgames69 I wasn't sure how dead cat behaved in the beast fight.
Yeah thats how you know its bad when it cant even stand by itself to have a use
Or if you're playing co-op.
@@Nazareth07.so that means Rock Bottom is a bad item?
Side note: being on half a heart with clicker means you've gone through the lost, as changing characters changes the health to half a heart
pretty sure it also applies to only having a health type incompatible with the character you're changing to, like soul hearts with bethany or red hearts with blue baby
The classic ‘this is buggy’ meaning ‘I don’t understand what is happening’
and Car Battery has likely led to some confusion this way
Cursed eye manages to ruin even the best day I could ever have.
Sounds like a skill issue
@@cynicalnightmare1108 thank you.
I agree...I rarely pick up cursed eye, it's just annoying.
I actually love cursed eye, feels good to use and helped me get better at the game. Only thing I dislike is some missing synergy
I always pick cursed eye with the lost. Otherwise it is detrimental
Me trying to figure out how ancient sea scrolls and cursed eye didn't make the list
The sea scrolls I agree with but cursed eye can be really good especially with soy milk or the lost/tainted lost it’s a risk reward item it’s really good if you manage to not get hit when charging and plus you can shoot it even if it’s not fully charged and still get multiple tears out of it if you get black candle cursed eye is amazing since it gets rid of the teleporting effect
Ancient sea scrolls is a fun item.
The roll is not that bad. Definately not something I would wish for but still better than shit or pee as an active item in the begining
@@dr.glurak2462 shit can actually be pretty decent. Just extra loot and bridges for free.
scrolls with bethany is completely insane
I’d honestly replace plan c with suicide king. at least plan c kills the boss, while suicide king just kills you
Actually, you can kill Delirium with Plan C while having items which instantly revive you in the same room
These are:
- Lazarus' rags (works only for this character, since you will transform into him and get only his unlocks)
- Inner child (Isaac transforms into a tiny baby upon death and deals damage to the enemies around him)
-Tainted Lost's birthright (only this character, acts as an extra life, causes explosion after death and deals 200 damage to everything in close proximity)
- Soul of Lazarus (this time works for all characters)
i forgot the name of the item, but theres an item that, when you take fatal damage, you instead get a broken heart. does that work too?
@@dontgotoeiriel166 Oh, it’s called Heartbreak
I’ve checked the wiki and, unfortunately, it says that neither Heartbreak nor Spirit Shackles will activate upon Plan C’s usage
I also didn’t mention that while playing as Tainted Lazarus, you can use Plan C as one of his forms and then use Flip to pause the inevitable death
Don’t know anything about its interaction with Berserk! though
Yea , but like it was said in the video, no pause scumming@AIuzky
You can also get inner child for free after getting all the tainted characters right?
@@hopper8514 not necessarily
Unlocking one tainted character is enough
Let’s say, you’ve unlocked Tainted Eve, and you want to fight the Beast with her to get the mark, and the inner child will already be on the Home floor after you use the cracked key, Red Key, etc. on the same door
I dont really mind Plan C. There isn't a single other active item in the game that'll be more useful against a final boss at its last phase. So if I'm already getting close to that boss or have an active that's not making much of a difference, I'd easily take it.
If my goal is The Beast and ive already begun the ascent, what good is it gonna do me to keep something like Spider Butt, Void, or Pinking Shears? I'd rather guarantee my win just from killing the ultra horsemen.
I mean valid but at the same time the beast fight isn't really hard enough (unless you are having a really bad run and just trying to force it) to need plan c. If you got over the horsemen you can probably 1 phase the beast relatively easy. They definitely should make it so it can actually earn the completion marks for bosses people would want to use it for and not just 1 phase from the beast or mother.
Edit: Spider butt is also unironically pretty goated against the horsemen.
I used plan C against hush as the lost and I died before him. I am never picking it out again
Dataminer truly shines with the funny rock (Rock Bottom)
But you forgot to mention Blood Rights or whatever the active that looks like a straight razor is called
you still get stat downs with rock bottom, you just don't see them. but if you take a -1 dmg down with rock bottom, and then get a +1 dmg up, it literally does nothing
Razor Blade or Dull Razor?
@@ilanlaham6911 no. they mean blood rights
@@dontgotoeiriel166 my bad, I thought they meant another item besides Blood Rights
@@dontgotoeiriel166wrong, the stat down doesnt apply and further more, it will be disipated next room, whereas the stat up wont. this means that eventually youll get +1 stat up in every stat which is not precisely what i call truly shining. however, multiple uses of datamining, or if you happen to underflow a stat can get p broken w rock bottom
Sacred heart easy. Shot speed and tears down? For what? F-
Are you stupid? Sacred heart is op
@@TheLegoTrooper173shot speed is the most important stat. who cares about the big damage when your tears are too slow to get to an enemy
@@adradBruh it's such a negligible decrease it hardly affects anything, especially if you already have items that increase your tears.
@@adrad It depends. There are a lot of items that benefit from having slow tears. Also, in this case, you don't have to worry about hitting the enemy or not since you have homing tears.
shot speed is the most important stat. doesn't get any more clear than that
Clicker should be one time use and you will have the chance to select the character
best bud is a worse version of the fly items which are already bad
Clicker isn't buggy, but your health gets set to half a heart if you switch to the lost.. cause the lost internally technically always has half a soul heart
A switch into a different character won't undo it
I DESPISE rocket in a jar, I dont know if its just a me thing that I forget I have it just 0.004 seconds after picking it up but I ALWAYS take damage to it by running into a wall and using it thinking I have normal bombs, also the main idea is that you use your bombs(as rockets) offensively but unless you have the 99 bombs item or have a golden bomb for that floor its never worth it to use a bomb for that, honestly instead of it being activated by moving and using a bomb it should be by shooting and using a bomb that simple change would make it so much better
They actually did that some updates ago. You can't use rockets anymore unless you are shooting tears.
@@R0ckdrigo1743 oh damm I didnt even notice, I stopped picking it up after dying one too many times
Bombs are pretty good at dealing damage. They ignore boss armor now
Plan c i a ok item it really only works for one characters with a inta respond
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@@lucascibelli06probably meant insta respawn, like the revives of normal laz or inner child
The clicker setting you to a half-soulheart isn't bug, but a feature of one character called "The lost" as his health is set to half-soulheart.
I had a jacob & esau run yesterday with everything jar on the beast. When I used it I got dataminer and died from rocks because the beast and rocks were sideways. R.I.P.
If it’s for the Edmund post lazyMattman already did the top ten and Edmund said thanks
Dataminer's a really niche use item, but its niche uses (underflowing stats) is really helpful. You can go from 100 dmg and 1 tear to 99 dmg and 120 tears. Much more potential than like, any of the bean items.
My idea for less sicky Dataminer:
No more negative stat changes on use. Upon use still flips sprites and grants an all stats up similar to sausage. However you don't get to keep it. It's 2nd ability is you can use it to see question mark pedestals at the cost of the chance to turn said pedestal into a tmtrainer item. But if you risk taking said item you keep the all stats up permanently.
I dont get the hate on the glass shard item, its one of the best average items ive ever stumbled upon and its amazing for not only chip damaging bosses but also room clearing, if the hate comes from needing a heart to heal, just make sure you dont grab it with little to no hearts, since its very unlikely the item is not gonna drop you half a heart
Also, doesn't it also have the old bandage effect of dropping a heart when hurt?
@@angelsampedro835no it doesn't
Glass shard is only good if you play maggy or tainted maggy
Don't hate it. It's just very risky
To put it simply it's almost never worth the health drain, the rng on the heart drops are also just extremely inconsistent, it's medium reward high risk, ergo not worth taking. It's quality 1 for a reason. Also a lot of higher level Isaac is resource management wasting hearts that could've gone to a devil beggar or sac room, or blood donation machine can pretty much lose you a run
Clicker is genius if you're rigging with the lost or tainted cain , getting a genuinely god tier combo and getting the most broken items in the game then proceed to finish the run as the desired , most god forbid characters in the entire game, such as the moron brothers or the tainted lost . However , data dataminer is surely a terrible item , but i should try rock bottom on it and see if the stats stay up , giving free stats up for free .
what even is there to rig with the lost except from pound of flesh + restock?
@stefperb9531 exactly
Just use tainted cain , get e.coli midas and aeres , get money , craft pound of flesh and restock , craft (holy mantle if you feel unsecure) then some mid stuff , craft clicker , become the lost , head to the nearest shop and voilà
@@mrbaddinor you know, get bone,black heart pickup and one of the 4 golden item pickup, and diplopia (jera if you have restock on member shop ) abuse it to get 15 tier 4 item and crash your game by clicking a single button, before you spend 6 hours meticulously crafting 9 r key and a clicker with schoolbag for a duo full completion mark in one run
I dont get the hate towards the Cursed Eye.
Personally after the buff, this item is very good.
However, cant help it but be disappointed to find it, with a 5.00 tear rate, because it would hinder me as oppose to help me.
SO I think it COULD use a buff, so its all around helpful, with STILL being risk reward type of item. Basically, if you hit the cap of 5.00, you would get an extra shot and if you break the cap or get more tears up upgrades, you would get additional tear for your Cursed Eye.
That way, despite you being maxed out, you can still pick it up and be better than ever, with STILL having the warping effect so it would have that risk reward factor to it.
TL;DR: I think Cursed Eye is fine and being hated on, but cant help to give it a different buff so its useful when you have good tear rate.
Bob's brain, BFF, and IBS are the worst items in the game. With clicker, dataminer, and plan C, you can just not use them. But if you start an eden run with any of these three items or pick them up on a blind floor you will take so much self damage from them activating at bad times and blowing up in your face that it ruins the run every time.
Bobs brain can at least be controlled, but bbf is just garbage. I would rather have a boom fly spawn in every room rather than have bbf (i think you meant bbf, bff is very good)
>Dataminer not worht it.
>CAN SET YOU TO 255 TEAR RATE-
I had a nutty run where I was isaac and the first item I got was broken remote and it turned me into azazel. Idk about you, but azazel + D6 is insane
Glass shard has single handedly ruined more runs than dps helped out (especially when you get rerolled into it as T eden then oops! run all gone)
Skill issue do not get hit
Skill issue leave the hearts it drops for the end of the floor to stop the bleeding
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Teleport really doesn’t have that much purpose only to find secret rooms and possibly getting the glitch room so…
eh, you can get out of the moms foot bossroom, also free curse rooms if you have flight (or curse rooms at all if you play t. lost)
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Curse of tower? I get this pretty often and with Glitter Bombs I get infinite items. With this plus sack head I got 99/99/99 and golden key and bomb in Depths 1 some days ago.
With Pyromaniac you are virtually Immortal.
With Sad Bombs you get hurt = everyone get hurt more
With Host you just see the world burn.
And with Safety Scissors you have infinite bombs (plus sack head, infinite items)
If you get Cursed Eye, you got to be extremely careful with your shots. It's so anoying
You don’t fully have to charge it to get the multiple tears it’s amazing with tainted lost/lost and if you get black candle the teleporting gets nullified. And if you have soy milk it’s really good aswell
I'd say Cube Baby, Lil' Portal, and Lil' Hushy. Cube Baby does pathetic damage in the exchange that you have to go really far out of your way to use it. Lil' Portal sucks up a ton of resources for just about nothing. Lil' Hushy is pretty much Distant Admiration, but it isn't relevant to the character and it has no strategy to utilize it
Data Miner and Rock Bottom are a match made in heaven, but with Rock Bottom, everything just can be better.
Clicker actually came in clutch for me in some unlocks; I got it on an R key run and switched to Jacob and Esau for an easy unlock which was nice.
Clicker is good for unlocks when you have a broken build, especially when u breakfast and can get basically infinite breakfast. I had a huge run with clicker and a almost full moving box of r keys
Binge eater. Ive never had a run where it helped, only made me accidentally miss items because i forgot it swapped with HP up
nah, get yourself a d20 on greedier mode, get a god run with R keys, blank cards, whatever you want and clicker then boom, you have an easy and fast way to farm the greed donation machine and unlocks for all characters
you leave ma boi clicker alone, thats what got me tainted jacob and tainted lost unlocks for greed mode, let bro cook
clicker was incredible for me when finishing isaac for collecting items that were missing from the item list
clicker is pretty cool, i like to use it if i find it on a good run that can go further than i need (like when i beat mega and get a 50% portal while already having deli beaten with character i am currently)
i rarely use dataminer but it's kinda cool, i usually pop it at least once when i have a better spacebar item and keep it when i don't (it's cool to get damage up while getting some useless stat down like shot speed or range)
i think plan c could be cool if you had a plan how to use it, but i almost never used it (unless you count the times it ended my run on april fool's challenge)
Plan C is super useful for Greed mode unlocka
You can cheese any mark with tainted cain. For non tainted characters you just use ankh + clicker afterward.
For red heart characters, guppy item with 9 lives. It not only puts you to low hp when you die once, but if you’re at a fight you can’t win, you’re forced to die 8 more times just for the pain to end.
My side note: Plan C is like that because I'm pretty sure it's part of the lore, since isaac hates himself and allat, when the player takes plan c, the boss dies because Isaac dies too. Just my theory and/or side note
The clicker helped me to unlock a lot of things of characters that i don't like to play like ??? or Maggie
You can kill beast with plan c tested that like 5 days ago. Just wait till she actually spawns and you will die on almost the same frame the game enters the cutscene, giving you the post it note and the win
I used clicker once on a super broken run and turned into tainted lost while I also had holy mante, easy mega satan and delirium on him
Dataminer with rock bottom. Charged item that increases stats.
Im surprised cursed eye wasn’t here. I can see it being useful but every time I get it it never synergizes with anything I have and makes the whole run dreadful. Especially against bosses.
I mean plan c is bad if its used alone which is not the main idea. If you get something that gives extra lives then its top tier win the run item
i mean i can see rock bottom dataminer or lazarus plan C working
GRRRRRR I CANT INSTA KILL A FINAL BOSS BY TAPPING A SINGLE KEY😠😠😠😠
I like Dataminer early since the random tear effect is good enough early game to beat most bosses. Ok at best but it has it uses.
One time, I got 120 firerate on a run, and the game glitched so much that I was set to 0.1 firerate, but I one shotted everything even tho I had 9 dmg
Dataminer is a special item and i like it now because it only gave me damage and tears in one of my most recent runs
Plan C is actually pretty good with certain characters, as long as you have an extra life you get a free instakill on bosses. Having items like inner child or t. Lost birthright that respawns you in the same room (especially T. Lost Birthright) can make beating hard bosses like delirium or mother phase 2 (imo hardest phase of any boss in the entire game) literally 1 button.
Now we need to talk about subtle synergies
Actually never thought about the use of clicker for cheesing unlocks ... Lol
Honestly if I dont have an active and I see dataminer its a pick. That random stat up and down is the chaos I like. If I get a bad stat down idc I'm still trying. Its that good stat up I'm looking for.
Plan C had to be nerfed in the past as it was basically a free unlock as the timer used to be longer before death, meaning you could wait out quite a lot of bosses...
You could also tank the death with Gnawed leaf and other similar effects in the past too...
Plan c can be utilised to kill delirium and get the achievement/unlock. When drl dies, he does the white noise thing. When you see it, hit pause and wait for the animation to end. Do this several times (pause after each white noise) and you'll die right after game gives you the achievement
By the way clicker is essential to do the Mega break. Russian youtuber and streamer Neonomi has created the way to do almost (except mega satan and beast) every mark on every character in *ONE* run.
Also clicker gives you half blue heart when you transform from lost to other characters
Something else ive noticed about clicker is the fact that sometimes it removes MULTIPLE items because.... ???
400 hours in, tried a ton of times to get unlocks witj clicker.
Couldnt do it once so far.
Nah man plan c probably goes crazy with multiple players
I’ve only once willingly used Plan C, and it was after defeating all the horsemen for the Beast fight. On my Dead God file I just saw it, and used it just to get it checked off lmao
Clicker has made doing greedier for all tainted characters a breeze. Just get op items, make a bunch of battery packs and start using clicker until you get to the character you need the greedier completion for
I remember using the clicker with old t.cain😂
Data miner saved one of my tainted lost run. I had rock bottom so i only got the positivt effect from it
One time I got the clicker as Isaac and so I used it changed into lazerus (I’m bad at spelling sorry) and then picked the D6 back up it was a really fun run
Plan C is op what you mean, you can instakill any boss phase, even delirium if you know the technique.
You can instakill delirium with plan c if you stop until game when the screen buggy are gone
Maybe not the WORST, but if I accidentally pick up Cursed Eye I just restart the run
Bro I got rock bottom with clicker and so many other unlocks that were too hard to get. Clicker is a goated item
Clicker is insane when you have already rigged, it lets you utterly breeze any character unlocks and unlock death certificate on your 5th run, especially with it being unlocked by default.
I wanted to finish a challenge with plan C.
I died infront of the finish cup.... Was angry back then
Clicker not removes all items, it's only removes your last item each use
I love the clicker, only for greed mode though. Its incredibly easy for me to break the run as T. Isaac, then switch characters to actually use all the items.
I feel like Dataminer was personal
One time I was trying to unlock Lilith and I saw clicker (I didn’t know what it did at the time) so I used it and it turned me into Magdalene and then I died
I see few people mentioning Guillotine. How can a orbital with a good damage up be this bad. I am fine with cursed Eye, Bobs Brain even BBF and IBS. But the sheer disorientation I get from this item always manages it to screw me over.
Nah plan C is based because there's a mod to replace it with the grimace shake and it's hilarious
Dataminer was made bad intentionally by Edmund bc he hates dataminers.
Cant you just pair Dataminer with Rock Bottom to become immune to the stat downs?
No because rock bottom works in a way so you have a 2nd hidden line of stat's that still decreases
basically say you use mega mush and get the huge dmg up, upon becoming small again ur in game shown stats keep the dmg from it but the hidden stats lower it back down, meaning to get higher dmg in the future you'd need to build up more dmg to pass over that cap, it's why if u take soy milk and start taking dmg ups it won't change ur dmg at all or not by much, since it still needs to basically play catch up to the shown stat's
Technically ur correct, it won't lower them, but then dataminer becomes practically useless after 3 or 4 uses, and still harms the stat's granted by future items in the run
i feel like the issue with clicker is that, if you wanted to use a different character, you wouldve picked that character.
i found value in clicker when i got an r key on greed mode after clogging the donation machine, it reset it so i could donate twice as muxh, never had any other value tho
One item that is the worst is broken shovel it actively try's to kill you plus it takes up an active item slot. Yes, I know you need it to get forgotten but it is an item itself that does nothing good.
I abused clicker with tainted Cain for an easy t lost completion mark, thanks to all the overpowered item i had beforehand+ 4 r keys
when playing greedier and rigging it hard, I had to desperately search for clicker just to get a tainted character out of the way. 1 godsend later, and now I don’t have to play tainted ???
Plan C is an item, clicker could be if it wasn't horribly bugged, dataminer is probably for a reason so no further comment
I think Plan C and Dataminer are some of the worst lol, but they are that bright red for a reason. Clicker I actually used somewhat effectively today by finding it on a Tainted Keeper run in Greedier. Basically got juiced up and then clutched it out as Tainted Samson. The other run with Clicker Turned me into Tainted Forgotten with super high range and I couldn’t hit the boss lmao.
I found the clicker and didn’t know what it was and immediately got the lost and lost all my health
Shouts put bobs brain for honourable mentions
100 damage + bomb synergies + piercing boss armour, all extremely good. The only change it really needs is being a double tap fire
Me after getting gupy body: yeah sure plan c is trash... "Instakills delírium its Broken"
Plan C is merely just killing yourself
I mean
What if all of this is just in isaacs head
And when isaac kills himself, the imaginary monsters die with him
Which is why all monsters in the room die but isaac dies too
You can abuse Clicker by playing tainted Cain :
First, you make a Classic tainted Cain crazy build
Then, you craft a bunch of battery pack
Then you craft clicker and you switch to a caracter that misses an unlock.
Clicker is good for getting multiple tainteds and bonus points if you have a 48 hour pill to get an extra
Hey man, if you exclusively play Isaac you can definitely get unlocks with the clicker
I remember the first time I got the clicker. Ruined one of the best runs of my life
Plan C actually pretty useful if you know where and how to use it
I did a greed run with dataminer the other day it’s not a good item but god was it kinda fun
I would say Tmtrainer. Ut that one is just kinda goofy, unless you accidentally pick it up using cracked crown and ruin your own run.