I bet it hurts Ellie the most knowing she wanted to have a movie night with Joel after telling him she was going to forgive and build their relationship up again. Only to have him die the next day.
Thank you I know Joel is dead but we all know he's gone well long as he's with his daughter Abby's going to pay for this then she killed Jesse to Joe is my favorite character in the first game but he died I wish you was nothing to be this way after the first game back at the hospital when I found Ellie I saw Abby's father Square this was a Revenge I'm good Abby's Friends Are Dead they deserve it but not Mel I was stupid to kill her why the game just made us or better it made me sad and after Joel died made me cried so hard I didn't get the chance to give Joel a chance why Joel and Tommy why didn't you get it just kill Abby in the first place why Jesse just go with Ellie
Somehow he knows she forgave him just by the look in her eyes when he died in front of her the way he did and who knows after she returned at the end to Jackson Dina and J.J. had moved into Joel's house and that is where they will reside and the cemetery where Joel is buried is just across the street his house and his grave isn't to far for them to walk to and if they buried Jesse there nearby as well and be close for them walk to with J.J. and living in Joel's house would be a way of letting him know she forgave him and even from the grave that she would honor him and his memory that way but that's just my take on it though.
It was weird Abby kills Joel after he saver her life, and she isn’t 100% sure he is Joel… who tf would do that. That’s why I think a lot of people hated Abby and didn’t connect or empathize with her. Great game still regardless
@@weebabyshakeus How is a heart broken dad thinking about his daughter creepy? He knew he fucked up and damaged the father-daughter relationship they had. He loved Ellie, because she became his family.
All the flowers and cards at Joel’s steps are what get to me. Can you imagine how beloved a guy like that would be to a town full of survivors? Probably saved everyone’s lives a few times over just by being around.
look at 2:34 a perfect example of how much Joel's character has changed since TLOU1, do you really think that a cynical man like Joel from TLOU1 would be able to gain the trust, affection, and respect of these people the way he did, no. the hardened survivor you saw in TLOU1 is something no one wants to be. Joel found comfort by having Ellie and Tommy by him. life wasn't about surviving for him anymore, it was about making sure he does everything that a good father would do for his kid. Ellie was his second chance. Ellie helped Joel in that process of gaining his humanity back. This is what happens when you love someone with all your heart they can either make or break your heart.
I couldn't agree more. As Tommy said on TLOU 1 "Jackson gives everyone a second chance". This applies perfectly to Joel, as he used that opportunity to improve as a human being.
I get why he did it, but it was so sad when Joel didn't accept the picture of him and Sarah when he was offered it by Tommy. Joel at that time was a broken man who couldn't face his demons. He didn't get a heroes death in TLOU 2, but at least he is shown to have grown into a truly good man. He also came to terms with what happened and allowed his memories of Sarah to return, I think that's what the developers were showing when you see the picture framed.
My take is that he's got survivor's guilt through the first game and seeing that photo of Sarah only reminds him of that. However that guilt is absolved when he saves another; Ellie. And he cannot save her until her life is truly threatened - it has to be that moment where everyone, including Ellie, is prepared for her to die. I think he unwittingly passes the guilt/sin onto Ellie which sets up the sequel, making Ellie a kind of Eve character whose 'sin' cursed the world.
He accepted the picture from Ellie shortly after Tommy offered it in the first game. He already faced his demons and admitted he couldn't run from his past and thanked Ellie for saving the picture before they even got to the hospital in game 1.
I didn’t cry during Joel’s death but I died during this scene. I was more shocked by Joel’s death but this scene Ellie wearing his shirt looking at his jacket picking up his revolver looking at his grave. It just sunk in that he was gone. No other scene affected me this much in any fictional thing.
This scene to me, maybe even some would agree, was painful after everything we had gone through. In the end, we weren't saying goodbye. It was, in reality, saying clearly: until next time.
If you like the first game you must play part II is a roller coaster of a game like no other. Everyone knew Joel was on borrowed time for all the killing he did as a hunter and murdering the doctor and Marline which he did in order to safe Ellie. I love Joel too but I honestly wasn't shocked when he met his end ok his death scene is quite graphic but he still plays an important part in the game and everything about Ellie and Joels relationship is way more meaningful because of his death. It's an very emotional game that doesn't let go until the credits roll. It's by all means a master piece from the setting, music, game play, and of course its very mature story which I won't spoil. Even thinking about in now it still hits even after 3 years later when I played it upon it release damn what an experience that will be hard to match. Highly highly recommend to anyone who likes the first game and has an open mind in that they are able to let go of needing character to live happily ever after, this is the apocalypse after all anything can happen.
I agree with Joel's death even if it hurts. My problem is the way he died. I wasn't expecting anything heroic or anything like that, in a post-apocalyptic world you're not always going to die like a hero or go out in an epic way... But man, you make Joel, a killing machine from the first game, who didn't trust anyone and even noticed when a raider posed as wounded to ambush them... And he trusted Abby and her group so quickly, he saved them, guided them to shelter, and never even kept his guard up... I mean Druckmann I understand that you had to kill Joel and whatever you wanted, but like this? It's better the way it was written in the story drafts, where Abby was Joel's love interest and then ambushed him. It makes more sense since Joel usually let his guard down only around the people he cared about. That's why it never made sense to me how he trusted Abby and her group so quickly.
@@abdussalam5368 Abby was older on that first draft, I've been trying to send you the name of the article but youtube (or the uploader?) keeps deleting my comments
One must take into account the fact that it happens 4 years after part one. Part 1 Joel might not have left his guard down in such a manner, hell he probably wouldn't have helped Abby in the first place, put this is not the same person. For 4 years, he has been in relative safety (compared to Boston and his "jobs" outside Boston), for 4 years he has been responsible for a community that he was deeply involved in making prosper, for 4 years he actually had a social life in said community, going to "parties", hanging out with neighbours, townfolks, his brother. For 4 years he has allowed himself to be human again, repairing his relationship with his brother and loving Ellie as his own daughter. Part I Joel was a cynical "killing machine" who put survival above anything else, and refused to allow himself to be vulnerable, ever. Part II Joel is still a survivor and a good fighter, but he has allowed himself to become a decent human being, or became soft depending on the point of view...
I suppose in the end, the whole of life becomes an act of letting go, but what always hurts the most is not taking a moment to say goodbye. - Yann Martel
This is such a great game. I do not understand all the hate. It's extremely well done. I was hesitant to play it knowing that Joel dies, but I'm so glad I gave it a chance. You empathize with both Ellie and Abby. At the end of it, the fight in the water, I didn't want Ellie to kill Abby. It was the perfect ending to a very sad and harrowing story.
I bet my ass that when P2/S2 comes out on HBO, they'll sing praise about how great a story this is. I never understood how people couldn't see the importance of a game like this. Probably the most memorable game in the past 20 years for me.
It’s easy to se why people would hate this game, as amazing as it is. It doesn’t just show you a story, it straight up challenges you emotionally. You’d have to go on a whole character arc of your own for this.
The way I've been spoiled lmao!!! these videos keep appearing on my feed and I'm pretty much spoiled of everything that's coming. Hopefully the TV show will make some changes further on.
1:56 …”You go, I go. End of story” That turned out NOT to be the case. I assume NaughtyDog inserted this dialog for a purpose. Or was this dialog an oversight?
Short answer: because of JJ, that’s why it “turned out not to be the case”. JJ is now in the picture, and it’s been months or even a year since Seattle. Why would Dina put JJ in harm’s way or straight up abandon him with the people of Jackson just because Ellie can’t let go even after taking everything away from Abby? We all know that parents will always choose their children over anything else.
Come Season 2 of the HBO show, this will be heartbreaking. Where The Last of Us Part one was about love and its consequences, the Last of Us Part Two is about vengeance and its consequences.
Who knows Joel probably left the house to Ellie and to Dina knowing of their relationship and that's probably where Dina is in Jackson and is at the house there and the cemetery is just across the street from Joel's house but this is just from my point of view only????.
Though I haven't actually played this game but I've watched people play it and have played the first game. I still think it could have been better and less people would have hated it if they just put abby's playthrough at the start. I think for them to kill Joel so early there was never going to be sympathy for abby. Everything could have remained the same just in a different order. Even though I didn't play it and some may say I can't have an opinion because of that then so be it just take what I say as a grain of salt. I think playing abby first leading up to joel's death you could understand her revenge better and at least be hopeful she never finds him. Then when she does and kills him then you would be more anxious to be put back in the driver seat to play ellie to get back at her. Just saying I think it would have had better flow but what do I know.
Agreed. Many fans made up their mind on Abby because they had Joel die before revealing her backstory. His death would have still angered fans but probably less controversial if it was told chronologically.
yes !! I’d love a mode where you could just walk around and explore with no enemies or anything. just to see all the details and stuff the devs put in.
I just realized something, Naughty Dog didn’t make a bad game here. They just killed off someone we loved. Someone we loved that they created. I don’t think we can hate Neil for killing off someone we wouldn’t love if not for his story. The devs worked hard and if they were as lazy and stupid as people say we wouldn’t give a shit about Joel’s death.
@@joevictor53 I dunno... I mean, I absolutely hate Abby. I hate her character. I hate he design. I hate her motives. I just hate her. And not just because she killed Joel either. There is nothing about her that makes me want to play a game as her.... and play as her trying to kill Ellie at that. I'm sorry. I know it sounds closed minded, but this should have continued Ellie and Joel's story. You play as Ellie for the majority and then Joel here and there. These two are the reason we fell in love with the first game. And all the good story telling elements were taken out and replaced with SJW woke garbage, which the creator himself said admitted was intentional. Sorry for the rant.... but good grief I hate this game.
Here is the translation to English: When I played for the first time, that's when it hit me. Until then, I was so anesthetized by what had just happened that I didn't think it was real. When his name appeared on the gravestone, I didn't know what to do. I quit the game right there and came back a few hours later. Undoubtedly, one of the moments that affected me the most throughout the entire game.
I don’t understand those who still want to kill Abby after the game finished. Ellie (we) took away her cherished dog, her closest friends, her pregnant friend & the unborn child, her lover, & the WLF (with Tommy’s help). We didn’t kill her, we gave her a fate worse than Death and it costed Ellie (us) everything.
@@outdoorscholar6016 Ellie showed remorse even with mel dying, she didnt know mel was pregnant. What does abby? "good" proceeds to dicapitate dina before lev stops her. Just shows who got their revenge everytime lol.
This has to be a new world record you made a game that became one of the most popular games in the world then make a sequel that ruined the series completely
Life... it's just not always as we want. This is what the sequel tries to show us. I personally like the sequel... and feel horrible about the eternal sundering of Joel and Ellie.
It's called life. 🤷 And it hardly 'ruined' anything seeing as how the TV show is widely popular and the first episode barely came out. Sounds like you expect things to be wrapped up in a pretty pink ribbon and no honey....it just doesn't work that way. 🤷
God, I wish we got more time to flesh out Dina because she's just kinda flat as a character. At least Jesse is kinda funny, she's just... eh. We clearly understand she's quick to go ride-or-die for Ellie but not much beyond that.
I mean we all can see it, how they had a connection of Heart So they could at least confess their love to each other …knowing that Joel could be a good father of Ellie’s 😭
@@cfinley81 I personally wouldn't have had a problem with this game if it weren't for how theres a trans person in the game. It's so disgusting and ungodly and unnatural!
Joel was never the main character anyway. Sure, you controlled him throughout the majority of part 1, and the plot started with him, but its always been Ellies story. The plot revolves around her.
Мне даже трудно представить, какой силы эмоциональный накал будет литься на зрителя, когда общие эпизоды во втором сезоне будут разыграны Педро Паскалем и Бэллой Рамзи ! Тогда плакать можно начинать с первой серии.
i remember reading the leak for this game accidentally before it came out - spoiling that joel was going to die just the way it said. i refused to believe that they would kill off someone so important early in the game and to go out like that, but here we are. shit decisions in a shitty way.
Honestly I almost quit the hold game seriously how do you kill one of the most be loving characters in gamer history rip Joel I want forget you😢😢😢😢😔that’s a promise
Absolutely stunning game...most involving I've ever played Couldn't believe they outdid part one and had the confidence in their story to kill off the lead so early on.
@@Timmeh_The_tyrant woke replacement? Joel got sloppy by thinking he took care of all lose end ie killing off every fire fly who mattered, he didn't expect the daughter of some unknown dead doctor to spend years of her life training to kill her fathers murder. 5 years in the apocalypse is a long time I suspect when no one came for Joel after a year or two he let down his guard. Abby need to get jacked inorder to get near Joel with the amount of infected, scars and hunters in-between them. Abby mirrors Ellie in every way they are like the same two side of the same coin which was done amazing well. It's a fantastic game with a roller coaster story like no other, I'm sorry you can't let go of your dislike towards the game to where you can appreciate how truly amazing it is.
Would have been good as a standalone game. But as a sequal to lOU1 its horrible. If they only made the 2nd game, we wouldn't feel anger over Joel's death ( because we wouldn't know him), therfore we wouldn't have a problem playing as abby as most players did. The problem naughty dog has was the fact that they tried to make a game, when they should have been trying to make a sequal that is compatible ( and good ofcourse). Think of it like this, you have a puzzle, and there are 2 pieces left. The 1st piece is beautiful, and so you place it, and it fits perfectly. The 2nd piece is good, but not as good. You try to put it in, but realize it doesn't fit nor does it match with the image the puzzle is trying to portray. You get frustrated, and feel like all your hardwork is worthless, you then start to feel anger for the 2nd piece despite it being good, you despise it because it ruined the puzzle. Sorry if the analogy was bad, but its how i see it.
It's not the death of Joel that pissed people off, it's the fact that they MADE us play as Abby immediately after to try and get us to understand her side of the story. Tbh, I don't really care about her story (they retconned it in after the fact and never showed Abby's trauma in the first game to make it more impactful). It's like if they took every evil villain ever, killed off the main character, and then did a flashback to square one and made you watch a movie about the villain's story...nobody wants to see that. It's unsatisfying and it's bullshit to the people who connect with these characters at an emotional level.
Cause Joel, hardened and cutthroat survivor that survived the apocalypse for 25 or so years, would simply go inside a room with a dozen armed strangers and walk right at the middle of it like he's about to do a Ted Talk. Yes, very believable. A meteor could've dropped down from the sky and killed him and it would've been more compelling.
I loved the first third of this game where you play as Ellie. On paper, there was nothing wrong with the second part, it was just where it was placed. I think the second part would’ve served far better as a sequel/spin off/DLC of the first game or even just moved to the beginning of this game. Simply because I did not enjoy being sent back to play the same 3 days, scrapping the emotional climax of fighting Abby, surrounded by new characters that I knew would die (hence taking a lot of the tension out of the gameplay), and playing a side story for a CONSIDERABLE portion of the game time that didn’t actually matter a whole lot in terms of the game’s core narrative. Then the third part where you go to kill Abby again, suffers from the consequences of the placement of the second part. I love this game’s story, it’s purely the way that it’s structured and paced that killed my enjoyment and led to more anger/frustration than feeling what the makers wanted me to feel. Edit: When referring to ‘parts’ in this comment, I mean the 3 parts that TLOU2 are split into, not the individual games TLOU pt 1/2. Just to make sure this isn’t misinterpreted 😭
If people hating the game for joels death then naughty dog made the game right, cause thats what they want to feel the game. The hatred over the character. I knew that joel is going to die here for what he did in saint mary. But ididnt expect to be like his death to be like this.
They were on to something in the first game but completely ruined it with the second I hope the series steers away from the second game story and does it better
@History of Magic Everybody who knows about the game knows about this. It's literally impossible to be part of the gaming community and not have known this. It's like uploading a titanic video and making the title "Jack's death." Nobody would care because almost everyone has seen that movie. The last of us is probably one of the most popular games of all time, and it was leaked months before the game's release that Joel would be killed. The only people who would be surprised are non-gamers coming from the show.
I bet it hurts Ellie the most knowing she wanted to have a movie night with Joel after telling him she was going to forgive and build their relationship up again. Only to have him die the next day.
Thank you I know Joel is dead but we all know he's gone well long as he's with his daughter Abby's going to pay for this then she killed Jesse to Joe is my favorite character in the first game but he died I wish you was nothing to be this way after the first game back at the hospital when I found Ellie I saw Abby's father Square this was a Revenge I'm good Abby's Friends Are Dead they deserve it but not Mel I was stupid to kill her why the game just made us or better it made me sad and after Joel died made me cried so hard I didn't get the chance to give Joel a chance why Joel and Tommy why didn't you get it just kill Abby in the first place why Jesse just go with Ellie
Somehow he knows she forgave him just by the look in her eyes
when he died in front of her the way he did and who knows after
she returned at the end to Jackson Dina and J.J. had moved into
Joel's house and that is where they will reside and the cemetery where Joel is buried is just across the street his house and his
grave isn't to far for them to walk to and if they buried Jesse
there nearby as well and be close for them walk to with J.J.
and living in Joel's house would be a way of letting him know
she forgave him and even from the grave that she would honor
him and his memory that way but that's just my take on it though.
Think about all the movie nights Abby missed with her father 💔
It was weird Abby kills Joel after he saver her life, and she isn’t 100% sure he is Joel… who tf would do that. That’s why I think a lot of people hated Abby and didn’t connect or empathize with her. Great game still regardless
@@weebabyshakeus yeah but her father tried to kill a 14 year old so not exactly the same situation
I felt so sad watching this. Can you imagine all that time Joel spent alone in his house, just thinking about Ellie...
And Sarah
damn you saying that make this 10x more sad
I didn’t even think about that 😭😭😭
That’s creepy
@@weebabyshakeus How is a heart broken dad thinking about his daughter creepy? He knew he fucked up and damaged the father-daughter relationship they had. He loved Ellie, because she became his family.
All the flowers and cards at Joel’s steps are what get to me.
Can you imagine how beloved a guy like that would be to a town full of survivors?
Probably saved everyone’s lives a few times over just by being around.
look at 2:34 a perfect example of how much Joel's character has changed since TLOU1, do you really think that a cynical man like Joel from TLOU1 would be able to gain the trust, affection, and respect of these people the way he did, no. the hardened survivor you saw in TLOU1 is something no one wants to be. Joel found comfort by having Ellie and Tommy by him. life wasn't about surviving for him anymore, it was about making sure he does everything that a good father would do for his kid. Ellie was his second chance. Ellie helped Joel in that process of gaining his humanity back. This is what happens when you love someone with all your heart they can either make or break your heart.
I couldn't agree more. As Tommy said on TLOU 1 "Jackson gives everyone a second chance". This applies perfectly to Joel, as he used that opportunity to improve as a human being.
@@zaracatunga1879 you are damn right man. Jackson is a second chance for the ppl there.
This makes me sad man...
@@mbmd_nation ik this made his death even harder to digest
You're totally right man
This is gonna hit me again when they do it in the live action 😭
I know
For real
i know but this is the way
Please hope they do it differently
@@metaknight4230 they might it’s in the talks but who knows
You can literally feel the weight of someone passing
Yea i honestly felt Elli,s pain when joel died like dam it hit hard.
I get why he did it, but it was so sad when Joel didn't accept the picture of him and Sarah when he was offered it by Tommy. Joel at that time was a broken man who couldn't face his demons. He didn't get a heroes death in TLOU 2, but at least he is shown to have grown into a truly good man. He also came to terms with what happened and allowed his memories of Sarah to return, I think that's what the developers were showing when you see the picture framed.
My take is that he's got survivor's guilt through the first game and seeing that photo of Sarah only reminds him of that. However that guilt is absolved when he saves another; Ellie. And he cannot save her until her life is truly threatened - it has to be that moment where everyone, including Ellie, is prepared for her to die. I think he unwittingly passes the guilt/sin onto Ellie which sets up the sequel, making Ellie a kind of Eve character whose 'sin' cursed the world.
He accepted the picture from Ellie shortly after Tommy offered it in the first game. He already faced his demons and admitted he couldn't run from his past and thanked Ellie for saving the picture before they even got to the hospital in game 1.
He got a hero's death, he went out like a legend, he didn't beg for his life or anything...
What a nice organized home in the middle of the apocalypse. Joel Miller was a treasure 🥹
When she smells his jacket… 😢
I didn’t cry during Joel’s death but I died during this scene. I was more shocked by Joel’s death but this scene Ellie wearing his shirt looking at his jacket picking up his revolver looking at his grave. It just sunk in that he was gone. No other scene affected me this much in any fictional thing.
Yo when she leaned her head towards Joel’s jacket that hit me hard 😓😓😓😭😭
And sniffed it 😢😢😢
my dad hit me harder when I was a kid.
what
@@dukemeisterr7084 well, it’s PAYYBACKK TIME 😈😈
If they ever make a TLOU Part 3....
Ellie better gather the fucking dragon balls and bring Joel back.
Most of us knew Joel was going to die but it doesn't cushion the emotion of seeing him die and seeing his grave
He kept the watch in the box 😢
Let go of Sarah cause of Ellie
He accepted both of them again in his life, his soccer photo and him and ellie at the horse stable together.
Should have visited his old house, where he lived with sarah
His old house is in Texas
From the prolouge of part 1
it’s all the way in texas
I believe Tommy in the first game told Joel that the house was pretty much trashed by looters when he tried giving him his picture with Sarah.
It was so cold that she couldn’t even cry right. One thing is for certain: she loved Joe and needed him by her side.
This scene to me, maybe even some would agree, was painful after everything we had gone through. In the end, we weren't saying goodbye. It was, in reality, saying clearly: until next time.
I legit stayed in the house for 30 minutes but I think it was just cause of the desbelief of his death, I was still processing it
House held up well after 20 years of no maintenance.
To be forced to play as abby is unforgivable.
In the other hand we can understand Abby's perspective, but yea playing as someone who killed Joel lowkey bugging me
I hated playing as Abby when I did it when the game came out. I have now replayed it and it feels different. Abby suffered a lot too
@@nozopoke1782 truee, it's so complicated 🥺🔥
@@Thasanimation I’m sure everybody has their reasons but I can’t forgive Joel’s killer so I don’t care about Abby’s reasons.
@@louisfain I understand 🌧️🤍
It's going to be tough seeing this in live action in Season 2 of the show.
I will never watch that ass show, game is better
@@frostycutiehow do you know if it’s ass if you’ve never seen it. It’s honesty probably the best video game to tv adaptations ever.
Lame ass show
Can't help but tear up. What a great story.
I’m seriously hoping that this whole game was just a bad dream that Ellie had and that in the next game Joel is alive
@Carl plot twist: this whole game was just a nightmare of Joel’s and his daughter Sarah is a raging alcoholic and drug dealer
@@JunaidWolf3who's selling hardcore drugs XD
@@maxduda6288 Sarah she sells hardcore drugs under the bleachers at her school
Legit. She wakes up knocked out whilst joel is hurt and alive. Then i will appreciate neil
But they wont do it Even if they knew how bad part 2 was
I really hope this is not Joel Miller’s faith in the TV show on HBO Max?!
same
The show amazingly is being faithful to the source material, well then lowkey it feels like his death is unavoidable :')
I haven’t played the game and was scrolling down on UA-cam when I randomly found this video and read the tittle… now I’m sad knowing Joel’s ending 😭.
If you like the first game you must play part II is a roller coaster of a game like no other. Everyone knew Joel was on borrowed time for all the killing he did as a hunter and murdering the doctor and Marline which he did in order to safe Ellie. I love Joel too but I honestly wasn't shocked when he met his end ok his death scene is quite graphic but he still plays an important part in the game and everything about Ellie and Joels relationship is way more meaningful because of his death. It's an very emotional game that doesn't let go until the credits roll. It's by all means a master piece from the setting, music, game play, and of course its very mature story which I won't spoil. Even thinking about in now it still hits even after 3 years later when I played it upon it release damn what an experience that will be hard to match. Highly highly recommend to anyone who likes the first game and has an open mind in that they are able to let go of needing character to live happily ever after, this is the apocalypse after all anything can happen.
same, i was trying not to spoil anything for myself before season 2 of the show comes out i guess that's done now 😭
Now Joel is with his daughter Sarah 🥲
Huh? Joel isn’t real. You know that right? Also if he was real, he isn’t in haven. He was a terrible man who did terrible things.
@@weebabyshakeus they all did terrible thing's 😅
@@weebabyshakeus maybe but she meant in fiction and joel wasn't evil he did some stuff that needed to be done
I agree with Joel's death even if it hurts. My problem is the way he died. I wasn't expecting anything heroic or anything like that, in a post-apocalyptic world you're not always going to die like a hero or go out in an epic way... But man, you make Joel, a killing machine from the first game, who didn't trust anyone and even noticed when a raider posed as wounded to ambush them... And he trusted Abby and her group so quickly, he saved them, guided them to shelter, and never even kept his guard up... I mean Druckmann I understand that you had to kill Joel and whatever you wanted, but like this? It's better the way it was written in the story drafts, where Abby was Joel's love interest and then ambushed him. It makes more sense since Joel usually let his guard down only around the people he cared about. That's why it never made sense to me how he trusted Abby and her group so quickly.
Love interest ?! hes like 60. Theyd have to age up Abby for it to make sense or else Joel would be creepy.
Thanks youtube for deleting my comments.
@@abdussalam5368 Abby was older on that first draft, I've been trying to send you the name of the article but youtube (or the uploader?) keeps deleting my comments
It's the fact that he let his guard down once that got him killed. You have to be right every time. You only have to be wrong once.
One must take into account the fact that it happens 4 years after part one. Part 1 Joel might not have left his guard down in such a manner, hell he probably wouldn't have helped Abby in the first place, put this is not the same person.
For 4 years, he has been in relative safety (compared to Boston and his "jobs" outside Boston), for 4 years he has been responsible for a community that he was deeply involved in making prosper, for 4 years he actually had a social life in said community, going to "parties", hanging out with neighbours, townfolks, his brother. For 4 years he has allowed himself to be human again, repairing his relationship with his brother and loving Ellie as his own daughter.
Part I Joel was a cynical "killing machine" who put survival above anything else, and refused to allow himself to be vulnerable, ever.
Part II Joel is still a survivor and a good fighter, but he has allowed himself to become a decent human being, or became soft depending on the point of view...
I suppose in the end, the whole of life becomes an act of letting go, but what always hurts the most is not taking a moment to say goodbye.
- Yann Martel
Joel is with his daughter again.
RIP Joel Miller
6:47 at least joel is reunited with Sarah
and this game came out a few days before father's day...shame on you neil
Ellie you will see Joel again but not yet not yet.
This is such a great game. I do not understand all the hate. It's extremely well done. I was hesitant to play it knowing that Joel dies, but I'm so glad I gave it a chance. You empathize with both Ellie and Abby. At the end of it, the fight in the water, I didn't want Ellie to kill Abby. It was the perfect ending to a very sad and harrowing story.
I bet my ass that when P2/S2 comes out on HBO, they'll sing praise about how great a story this is. I never understood how people couldn't see the importance of a game like this. Probably the most memorable game in the past 20 years for me.
Some part of the story aspect was shit
@@R4Y2k yeah it's well-written :") I'm a few years late to the party but I'm glad this game exists
It’s easy to se why people would hate this game, as amazing as it is. It doesn’t just show you a story, it straight up challenges you emotionally. You’d have to go on a whole character arc of your own for this.
I think people hate Abby's shoulders honestly lol. I've seen so much dip shit commentary on it.
The way I've been spoiled lmao!!! these videos keep appearing on my feed and I'm pretty much spoiled of everything that's coming. Hopefully the TV show will make some changes further on.
Great game, an emotional roller coaster 10/10
This old wolf protected her always and now she have to move on with out him
1:56 …”You go, I go. End of story” That turned out NOT to be the case. I assume NaughtyDog inserted this dialog for a purpose. Or was this dialog an oversight?
She probably did mean it in the moment but as time went on it clearly changed for her.
Short answer: because of JJ, that’s why it “turned out not to be the case”.
JJ is now in the picture, and it’s been months or even a year since Seattle. Why would Dina put JJ in harm’s way or straight up abandon him with the people of Jackson just because Ellie can’t let go even after taking everything away from Abby? We all know that parents will always choose their children over anything else.
Come Season 2 of the HBO show, this will be heartbreaking. Where The Last of Us Part one was about love and its consequences, the Last of Us Part Two is about vengeance and its consequences.
my heart is broken 🥺🥺🥺😭
I cried when Joel died he is a daddy
I wonder, if the survivors managed to build these houses after the outbreak or if they just preserved homes that where left over.
yeah dude they went to Home Depot after the outbreak for supplies and power tools
I cant believe they played the same rendition of the theme where they argue, except it’s more slowed down and retrospective :(
2:36 The flowers.
Who knows Joel probably left the house to Ellie and to Dina knowing of their relationship
and that's probably where Dina is in Jackson and is at the house there and the cemetery is
just across the street from Joel's house but this is just from my point of view only????.
Hey, thanks for spoiling this in the title for those of us who haven’t played it yet!
Though I haven't actually played this game but I've watched people play it and have played the first game. I still think it could have been better and less people would have hated it if they just put abby's playthrough at the start. I think for them to kill Joel so early there was never going to be sympathy for abby. Everything could have remained the same just in a different order. Even though I didn't play it and some may say I can't have an opinion because of that then so be it just take what I say as a grain of salt. I think playing abby first leading up to joel's death you could understand her revenge better and at least be hopeful she never finds him. Then when she does and kills him then you would be more anxious to be put back in the driver seat to play ellie to get back at her. Just saying I think it would have had better flow but what do I know.
Agreed. Many fans made up their mind on Abby because they had Joel die before revealing her backstory. His death would have still angered fans but probably less controversial if it was told chronologically.
Id play this game if everything was so relaxing - just wandering and looking, nothing scary
yes !! I’d love a mode where you could just walk around and explore with no enemies or anything. just to see all the details and stuff the devs put in.
I just realized something, Naughty Dog didn’t make a bad game here. They just killed off someone we loved. Someone we loved that they created. I don’t think we can hate Neil for killing off someone we wouldn’t love if not for his story. The devs worked hard and if they were as lazy and stupid as people say we wouldn’t give a shit about Joel’s death.
100000%
Only lazy part is not letting us have the choice to kill Abby. Fuck this shit.
Good game. Graphics and gameplay are solid. No one argues that. But the story is absolute trash
@@TDI_CharlieBrown The problem isn't with the story. The problem was with the execution
@@joevictor53 I dunno... I mean, I absolutely hate Abby. I hate her character. I hate he design. I hate her motives. I just hate her. And not just because she killed Joel either. There is nothing about her that makes me want to play a game as her.... and play as her trying to kill Ellie at that.
I'm sorry. I know it sounds closed minded, but this should have continued Ellie and Joel's story. You play as Ellie for the majority and then Joel here and there. These two are the reason we fell in love with the first game.
And all the good story telling elements were taken out and replaced with SJW woke garbage, which the creator himself said admitted was intentional.
Sorry for the rant.... but good grief I hate this game.
did anybody else laugh and cry at the same time seeing the dino book? i would hope so 😔😭
Here is the translation to English:
When I played for the first time, that's when it hit me. Until then, I was so anesthetized by what had just happened that I didn't think it was real. When his name appeared on the gravestone, I didn't know what to do. I quit the game right there and came back a few hours later. Undoubtedly, one of the moments that affected me the most throughout the entire game.
Outside thought: Stone masons survived the apocalypse.
No matter how hard they tried , I still hate Abby💔 R.I.P Joel
Legit. Nah man this game ruined me. Mans got a new daughter. And he never heard dad from her. Damn bro
I don’t understand those who still want to kill Abby after the game finished. Ellie (we) took away her cherished dog, her closest friends, her pregnant friend & the unborn child, her lover, & the WLF (with Tommy’s help). We didn’t kill her, we gave her a fate worse than Death and it costed Ellie (us) everything.
@@outdoorscholar6016 Ellie showed remorse even with mel dying, she didnt know mel was pregnant. What does abby? "good" proceeds to dicapitate dina before lev stops her. Just shows who got their revenge everytime lol.
This still hurts to see
Legit makes me deep. All i wanted was ellie to call him dad. Something like that. Some happy moments. But no this bs
This has to be a new world record you made a game that became one of the most popular games in the world then make a sequel that ruined the series completely
Life... it's just not always as we want. This is what the sequel tries to show us. I personally like the sequel... and feel horrible about the eternal sundering of Joel and Ellie.
It's called life. 🤷 And it hardly 'ruined' anything seeing as how the TV show is widely popular and the first episode barely came out. Sounds like you expect things to be wrapped up in a pretty pink ribbon and no honey....it just doesn't work that way. 🤷
@@cfinley81 why reply to a 2 year old comment i don't care anymore lol
@@strawberrymilk2532 probably u learned u r wrong
@@keiiroz8 how did i learn i was wrong when i was right
What is the name of the song that starts when she picks up his watch
I have been wondering the same thing
Unbroken from the OST
Who makes the time to make a tombstone during that times?
God, I wish we got more time to flesh out Dina because she's just kinda flat as a character. At least Jesse is kinda funny, she's just... eh. We clearly understand she's quick to go ride-or-die for Ellie but not much beyond that.
I wish there was a drawing or picture for Ellie to have of her and Joel.
Imagine more flowers in house but sweet she still visited him no I don’t want joel to die but didnt see how yet
I wasn’t expecting that when the game came out
My brother loves this game but the minute he knows that joe is going to die on the game. Stop and never continue the game till this day 😭😭😭😭😭
We can see how much ellie is blaming herself, if she hadn't ignored him, thinking that this could have ended differently
I mean we all can see it, how they had a connection of Heart So they could at least confess their love to each other …knowing that Joel could be a good father of Ellie’s 😭
UA-cam recommendation + the title ruined it for me -_- I haven't got to that part yet
I will never in a million years touch this game never even if it's a cheap I won't cause my boy Joel is dead.
Then don't. Nobody cares.
@@cfinley81 I personally wouldn't have had a problem with this game if it weren't for how theres a trans person in the game. It's so disgusting and ungodly and unnatural!
@@cfinley81 apparently u do
Joel was never the main character anyway. Sure, you controlled him throughout the majority of part 1, and the plot started with him, but its always been Ellies story. The plot revolves around her.
I love the owl cup for coffe and sketches she does😢
Мне даже трудно представить, какой силы эмоциональный накал будет литься на зрителя, когда общие эпизоды во втором сезоне будут разыграны Педро Паскалем и Бэллой Рамзи ! Тогда плакать можно начинать с первой серии.
Dude, what a way to spoil it for me
2 years😂
Joel has a big house
HBO pleas dont kill joel 😢
At least he died on a yard, most of the other people died worse or just became infected
He died by someone smashing his head in with a golf club. He went out in a horrible fashion.
i remember reading the leak for this game accidentally before it came out - spoiling that joel was going to die just the way it said. i refused to believe that they would kill off someone so important early in the game and to go out like that, but here we are. shit decisions in a shitty way.
"Bring my dumbass husband home in one piece please"
lmao
I hope in the show he doesn’t die or they fake his death lol
They're gonna follow the original plot unfortunately.
That would kinda destroy the plot line of it.
Nobody wants Joel to die but its just how it supposed to be
Not necessarily….. she ended up alone , she needs to have some kind of happy ending
Pedro is amazing but if they ever need a replacement i think Hugh jackman would nail it ua-cam.com/video/vUQjk7HmZJA/v-deo.html
Honestly I almost quit the hold game seriously how do you kill one of the most be loving characters in gamer history rip Joel I want forget you😢😢😢😢😔that’s a promise
Yikes dude…go touch grass.
@@weebabyshakeus man, liking a character is so bad huh?
But the game wants me to be sad for abby... disgusting lol
Absolutely stunning game...most involving I've ever played Couldn't believe they outdid part one and had the confidence in their story to kill off the lead so early on.
Yeah sure they outdid part one… if you are into woke replacement of everything.
@@Timmeh_The_tyrant woke replacement? Joel got sloppy by thinking he took care of all lose end ie killing off every fire fly who mattered, he didn't expect the daughter of some unknown dead doctor to spend years of her life training to kill her fathers murder. 5 years in the apocalypse is a long time I suspect when no one came for Joel after a year or two he let down his guard. Abby need to get jacked inorder to get near Joel with the amount of infected, scars and hunters in-between them. Abby mirrors Ellie in every way they are like the same two side of the same coin which was done amazing well. It's a fantastic game with a roller coaster story like no other, I'm sorry you can't let go of your dislike towards the game to where you can appreciate how truly amazing it is.
I can't wait to watch this scene on the last of us season 2 in hbo
Would have been good as a standalone game. But as a sequal to lOU1 its horrible. If they only made the 2nd game, we wouldn't feel anger over Joel's death ( because we wouldn't know him), therfore we wouldn't have a problem playing as abby as most players did. The problem naughty dog has was the fact that they tried to make a game, when they should have been trying to make a sequal that is compatible ( and good ofcourse). Think of it like this, you have a puzzle, and there are 2 pieces left. The 1st piece is beautiful, and so you place it, and it fits perfectly. The 2nd piece is good, but not as good. You try to put it in, but realize it doesn't fit nor does it match with the image the puzzle is trying to portray. You get frustrated, and feel like all your hardwork is worthless, you then start to feel anger for the 2nd piece despite it being good, you despise it because it ruined the puzzle. Sorry if the analogy was bad, but its how i see it.
It's not the death of Joel that pissed people off, it's the fact that they MADE us play as Abby immediately after to try and get us to understand her side of the story. Tbh, I don't really care about her story (they retconned it in after the fact and never showed Abby's trauma in the first game to make it more impactful). It's like if they took every evil villain ever, killed off the main character, and then did a flashback to square one and made you watch a movie about the villain's story...nobody wants to see that. It's unsatisfying and it's bullshit to the people who connect with these characters at an emotional level.
@@seventythreedavid I would actually love to see that movie
You're all so whiny
@@seventythreedavid Cry more
SPOILER MUCH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Don't put it on the title.
He gets to live to 70. He wont die in season 1 Lmfaooo
Cause Joel, hardened and cutthroat survivor that survived the apocalypse for 25 or so years, would simply go inside a room with a dozen armed strangers and walk right at the middle of it like he's about to do a Ted Talk. Yes, very believable. A meteor could've dropped down from the sky and killed him and it would've been more compelling.
change the title of this..
I loved the first third of this game where you play as Ellie. On paper, there was nothing wrong with the second part, it was just where it was placed. I think the second part would’ve served far better as a sequel/spin off/DLC of the first game or even just moved to the beginning of this game. Simply because I did not enjoy being sent back to play the same 3 days, scrapping the emotional climax of fighting Abby, surrounded by new characters that I knew would die (hence taking a lot of the tension out of the gameplay), and playing a side story for a CONSIDERABLE portion of the game time that didn’t actually matter a whole lot in terms of the game’s core narrative. Then the third part where you go to kill Abby again, suffers from the consequences of the placement of the second part. I love this game’s story, it’s purely the way that it’s structured and paced that killed my enjoyment and led to more anger/frustration than feeling what the makers wanted me to feel.
Edit: When referring to ‘parts’ in this comment, I mean the 3 parts that TLOU2 are split into, not the individual games TLOU pt 1/2. Just to make sure this isn’t misinterpreted 😭
Well thats a spoiler alert
I am wondering if a third Last of Us game will make Tommy more villainous
All the promises at sundown
I meant them like the rest
Why did I subscribe in this?
What?
4 episodes into the last of us after never playing the game before and boom.....major spoiler....there it is. Ah well it was good while it lasted.
No worries, the game and the show still has a bit of different take, you will still get a fresh from both side 🤍
😢 heartbreaking
Is that the sequel of the "game of decade"
If people hating the game for joels death then naughty dog made the game right, cause thats what they want to feel the game. The hatred over the character.
I knew that joel is going to die here for what he did in saint mary. But ididnt expect to be like his death to be like this.
@@byronbandola6763 agree with you
Yes
STOP PUTTING SPOILERS ON THE TITLE. I DIDN"T KNOW JOEL DIED!
I know this is late, but even if he didn’t put that he died in the title, and you watch the video, you would’ve known he died
Was this on TV on HBO???
No, but this will be in the next season for sure
They were on to something in the first game but completely ruined it with the second I hope the series steers away from the second game story and does it better
Thanks for the spoiler🙄 Saw the title in my recommended so now I know what happens.
Me too 🤣 a stupid way to get spoiled , a spoiler from the title of a youtube video 🤣
Sad times. 😢
Lots of male daddy issues in this comment section
Thanks for spoiling the entire series for me with that title...
Who tf knew a tv show would come out
@History of Magic Everybody who knows about the game knows about this. It's literally impossible to be part of the gaming community and not have known this. It's like uploading a titanic video and making the title "Jack's death." Nobody would care because almost everyone has seen that movie. The last of us is probably one of the most popular games of all time, and it was leaked months before the game's release that Joel would be killed. The only people who would be surprised are non-gamers coming from the show.
I feel bad for Ellie she said that " everyone I cared for has died or left me ”
Bro I wish I can take care of ellie
neil drunkmann
I love Joel 😢😢
Still pissed about this. Shit ending.