My Luger is DWM 1913, serial numbers match except the sideplate which is a strike thru/renumbered to match the other last two digits. The Magazines are also numbered 1 and 2
Got my East German VolksPolizei Luger from AIM in year 2000 for $395. 1938 marked frame with force matched sideplate and Fraktur "S" (1934) S/42 toggle. Select grade. Mint bright bore. Added original wood grips later (one is WW1 marked).
Great video topic, I have a matching 1938 Luger, 1943 Police P.38 and K43 minus the grips and Russian dip. Remember buying R/C K98's for $250 fifteen years ago. Collectors like provenance, and captured on the bloody Eastern front of WWII, reworked for East German service, is as good as any. I've always appreciated VOPO's and knew the price rise would come. Hopefully with all the new interest will come more research as R/C's were stored and reworked in many difference places outside of East Germany.
Very interesting vid! Hard to believe how much Lugers have increased in value since even I bought one hardly a year ago (I would not be able to afford mine today)! VoPo Lugers have their own collectability status; well worth getting one of those too!
at 5:30 mark this is a Soviet District V, Friedrichshain. This was a 1939 Police issue that went to Soviet East Berlin from 1945-1949, then into Vopo use as evidence by the other marks. Also this 1939 was one of 3500 Banner Police Lugers made that year with the Eagle L mark in the 2500-6000 w block. So its essential a unicorn for Luger collectors so keep an eye on Legacy . I have yet to be disappointed and Tom's book shows all of this in great detail
The markings on that first Luger indicate Soviet sector five Berlin. It was marked that way before the wall went up to denote use in the Soviet occupied area of Berlin.
I’ve posted this before but as a little kid tagging along with my dad to the gun shops in Philly in the 1950’s the cases were piled high with Lugers and P38’s. I think that $25 cash was the going price. In 1966 or 1967 just before the GCA of 1968 went into effect I bought myself a shooter grade S/42 for $60 and a post-WW1 German rework to .30 Cal. Luger for about the same money. Both came mail order, delivered by Railway Express for some odd reason. The S/42 has an additional set of British proofs. Somebody here can probably explain that.
I was in a Gun Store today and asked about WW2 Luger's? The Owner Said in the 90s he paid $250.00 a German 1938-1940 And every one he sold for a $25.00 profit If he still Owned them Each Would have Sold for a $1000;000 Profit!
Thanks Tom. Around about 1986 I live with my girlfriend and she knew I was a gun fanatic and mentioned that her farther had a pistol in a safe at his bungalow. It turned out it was a Luger that his father had gotten from ww11. Unfortunately it was obviously not registered and was illegal. I never did get to see it . I have been subscribed to your channel now I believe from close to the start and have caught up on all your videos and always like receiving notifications on all new posts
Tried to find out the difference between a Krieghof frame and one that isn't one. Can someone pls tell me what the differences are? I assume that the difference was more than the markings?
Very interesting would feel like a kid in a candy store in one of those wherehouses those that got to expearince that were very lucky im green with envy lol thanks tom and team anouther top vid 👍👍
There was a brand new one in my grandma’s drawer in England, I went to get after see past but my dad beat me to it there was bullets as well , Am gutted 😢
My dad bought one off of some east german guy after the wall came down when he was stationed in Germany so now I have a Vopo with no import marks. Good to know i can sell this thing for a lot of crack money
I saw that the V is for Friedrichshain and the S is possibly Sowjetisch which translates into "Soviet" and possibly that section of Berlin ...I also found a chart telling the many designations of the letters...I can get them to you to potentially help.
As the GDR needed real money to survive, they startet to sell these Lugers in the 70s via the KoKo to the west. Some were kept in stock, but the bigger part was sold, as son as they had enough Makarovs. Love your channel, greetings from Germany, the country with the worst gun laws after China and Nord Korea.😂
These should be high collective as relics of TWO tyrannies no longer in business...I have an E Gernan stamp in my old passport (the ONLY stamp) that I got 33 years ago this month (August 1989) when I visited my late brother,Tim, who was living in Berlin with his then girlfriend..I got to see the wall 3 months before it fell on the night of my 40th birthday (9 Nov 1989)..when I started collecting in 1990 I had the goal if collecting at least ONE firearm from each of the former Warsaw Pact countries an Soviet satellite countries...I was in the Army in Germany from Nov 1971 to Jul 1974) and saw the old East Germsn border...it was my 'revenge'
I have a black and white picture of my grandparents on mom's side vigorously defacing the grip of what looks like a ss Walther PP/PPK sometime during late of 1944 or early 45 after helping some lost NAZIS or nazi simps finding a cozy place to watch grass grow from below. And giving what was happening allover Europe it is not surprising that some people didn't like the look of a eagle over a swastika. Some made DIY wood grips most people just took a file knife or something other to the original. And in the case of most people in the east it was not about souvenir's they needed the guns to shoot at the guys who made them. But seriously didn't appreciate anything that reminds them of the people who have killed most of their friends and family. And in my grandmother's case put her in the hospital and gave her 5(or10) nice scars from a 9mm(mp40) in her legs. And if everybody that got a Nazi gun have kept them in mint condition not defacing them and used them until they disinterested, now they would not be priced collectibles but a dime a dozen like the mosin nagant that some people call the garbage rod.
I bought a 1917 Erfurt vopo from the luger collector in Montreal. He puts 4.25 inch barrels on them. Everything else matches. Edit : I paid 1750 for it in 2017
@@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860 we’ll you’re absolutely correct if we look at “Hochdeutsch” (standard German language), but it can differ in dialect. But again, you’re absolutely not wrong.
If it has a special name, its going to be worth more eventually. VoPo will just mean "MoMoney" eventually. Just like the "Black Widow", its basically just a cheapened P08 with black plastic grips which got a special name to make it sell better in the surplus catalogs. In my experience, if you want a cheap luger, buy a WW1 german luger, thing are undervalued just because they dont have swastikas on them.
There's a pair of these VOPO NVA grip plates on sale on a Polish shopping site.
Makes me feel better about my Erfurt 1917 vopo. Cheers from canada
(Stares) Ok, how much for a ride in your time machine? (Pulls out wallet) can I get my friends to come with us?
My Luger is DWM 1913, serial numbers match except the sideplate which is a strike thru/renumbered to match the other last two digits. The
Magazines are also numbered 1 and 2
Got my East German VolksPolizei Luger from AIM in year 2000 for $395. 1938 marked frame with force matched sideplate and Fraktur "S" (1934) S/42 toggle. Select grade. Mint bright bore. Added original wood grips later (one is WW1 marked).
Outstanding video and presentation.
Us Deplorables love all your video and presentation. Thank you.
Great video topic, I have a matching 1938 Luger, 1943 Police P.38 and K43 minus the grips and Russian dip. Remember buying R/C K98's for $250 fifteen years ago. Collectors like provenance, and captured on the bloody Eastern front of WWII, reworked for East German service, is as good as any. I've always appreciated VOPO's and knew the price rise would come. Hopefully with all the new interest will come more research as R/C's were stored and reworked in many difference places outside of East Germany.
Being called a “Deplorable “ nowadays is a badge of honour, sir.
Very interesting vid! Hard to believe how much Lugers have increased in value since even I bought one hardly a year ago (I would not be able to afford mine today)! VoPo Lugers have their own collectability status; well worth getting one of those too!
at 5:30 mark this is a Soviet District V, Friedrichshain. This was a 1939 Police issue that went to Soviet East Berlin from 1945-1949, then into Vopo use as evidence by the other marks. Also this 1939 was one of 3500 Banner Police Lugers made that year with the Eagle L mark in the 2500-6000 w block. So its essential a unicorn for Luger collectors so keep an eye on Legacy . I have yet to be disappointed and Tom's book shows all of this in great detail
The markings on that first Luger indicate Soviet sector five Berlin. It was marked that way before the wall went up to denote use in the Soviet occupied area of Berlin.
Yep, I happened to get this pistol and its amazing that it stayed intact after all these years complete with matching mag
I’ve posted this before but as a little kid tagging along with my dad to the gun shops in Philly in the 1950’s the cases were piled high with Lugers and P38’s. I think that $25 cash was the going price. In 1966 or 1967 just before the GCA of 1968 went into effect I bought myself a shooter grade S/42 for $60 and a post-WW1 German rework to .30 Cal. Luger for about the same money. Both came mail order, delivered by Railway Express for some odd reason. The S/42 has an additional set of British proofs. Somebody here can probably explain that.
I was in a Gun Store today and asked about WW2 Luger's? The Owner Said in the 90s he paid $250.00 a German 1938-1940
And every one he sold for a $25.00 profit
If he still Owned them Each Would have Sold for a $1000;000 Profit!
Thanks Tom.
Around about 1986 I live with my girlfriend and she knew I was a gun fanatic and mentioned that her farther had a pistol in a safe at his bungalow.
It turned out it was a Luger that his father had gotten from ww11.
Unfortunately it was obviously not registered and was illegal.
I never did get to see it .
I have been subscribed to your channel now I believe from close to the start and have caught up on all your videos and always like receiving notifications on all new posts
Wow, I totally missed the last 9 world wars. I must have blacked out in history class.
j/k
Tried to find out the difference between a Krieghof frame and one that isn't one. Can someone pls tell me what the differences are?
I assume that the difference was more than the markings?
I've never seen a Russian X marked mp40 or Stg, was that not a thing?
Very interesting would feel like a kid in a candy store in one of those wherehouses those that got to expearince that were very lucky im green with envy lol thanks tom and team anouther top vid 👍👍
There was a brand new one in my grandma’s drawer in England, I went to get after see past but my dad beat me to it there was bullets as well , Am gutted 😢
I’ll take a crate! Thanks for Sharing.
My dad bought one off of some east german guy after the wall came down when he was stationed in Germany so now I have a Vopo with no import marks. Good to know i can sell this thing for a lot of crack money
Great video
I Love 💖 LUGERS!..
...Even as a 3- year Old kid when I First Saw a LUGER...
that was 70-years ago.
I wouldn't mind a NORINCO LUGER..IF there is one 😁👍
That would be cool if they did manufacturer them
There is one, sold at auction a few years back
I am so mad I did not buy a russian capture franken luger for 350 dollars at a gunshow in houston years ago
Thanks Tom
Hello Tom, I’m late thank for the videos !!
What is the very least expensive German Luger that I May be able to purchase for how much just so we want waste your time or mine
Still pretty cool considering that the Russians dinged out the other markings.
in German V is pronounced as an F so it's Folks Polizei, Folks Wagen
I had one sold it back in 2006 I regret it very much
Is $179 a good deal for a black widow mag?
Yes
@@thomaswhiteman4261 what do they typically go for?
I saw that the V is for Friedrichshain and the S is possibly Sowjetisch which translates into "Soviet" and possibly that section of Berlin ...I also found a chart telling the many designations of the letters...I can get them to you to potentially help.
X Mosin Nagant 7,62x53R
That is what I wanted to write, You did it first, thanks :)
As the GDR needed real money to survive, they startet to sell these Lugers in the 70s via the KoKo to the west. Some were kept in stock, but the bigger part was sold, as son as they had enough Makarovs. Love your channel, greetings from Germany, the country with the worst gun laws after China and Nord Korea.😂
These should be high collective as relics of TWO tyrannies no longer in business...I have an E Gernan stamp in my old passport (the ONLY stamp) that I got 33 years ago this month (August 1989) when I visited my late brother,Tim, who was living in Berlin with his then girlfriend..I got to see the wall 3 months before it fell on the night of my 40th birthday (9 Nov 1989)..when I started collecting in 1990 I had the goal if collecting at least ONE firearm from each of the former Warsaw Pact countries an Soviet satellite countries...I was in the Army in Germany from Nov 1971 to Jul 1974) and saw the old East Germsn border...it was my 'revenge'
I have a black and white picture of my grandparents on mom's side vigorously defacing the grip of what looks like a ss Walther PP/PPK sometime during late of 1944 or early 45 after helping some lost NAZIS or nazi simps finding a cozy place to watch grass grow from below. And giving what was happening allover Europe it is not surprising that some people didn't like the look of a eagle over a swastika. Some made DIY wood grips most people just took a file knife or something other to the original. And in the case of most people in the east it was not about souvenir's they needed the guns to shoot at the guys who made them. But seriously didn't appreciate anything that reminds them of the people who have killed most of their friends and family. And in my grandmother's case put her in the hospital and gave her 5(or10) nice scars from a 9mm(mp40) in her legs. And if everybody that got a Nazi gun have kept them in mint condition not defacing them and used them until they disinterested, now they would not be priced collectibles but a dime a dozen like the mosin nagant that some people call the garbage rod.
Your ancestors were communist partisans
East Germany could have solved a lot of it's economic problems, by selling it's excess stock of weapons, on the collectors Market.
I would love a luger but I am in Canada ...
lt is a shame that your country Canada has done this to you and others....Thanks......... Shoe🇺🇸
I bought a 1917 Erfurt vopo from the luger collector in Montreal. He puts 4.25 inch barrels on them. Everything else matches.
Edit : I paid 1750 for it in 2017
@@rippertrain sure you can own one but now they are worth 0 dollars ... because you can never sell it ...
Excellent video. One point on German pronunciations. The V in Volkspolizei is pronounced like an F.
I do not completely agree, as a German. Kind of depends on where you are in Germany.
@@flinch9748 that’s true. I learned German ( fluent ) in Munich , so that could be it.
@@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860 we’ll you’re absolutely correct if we look at “Hochdeutsch” (standard German language), but it can differ in dialect. But again, you’re absolutely not wrong.
@@flinch9748 ty. May I ask what part of Germany you’re from?
@@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860 Paderborn, NordRhein-Westfalen
VW = Said Folks wagen V is pronounce as an F in German language.
So really it’s VoPopo?
Volks Polizei..East German police...
Genau 🕵
Volkspolizei - to be exact.
@@heyjoe113 jawohl es stimmt
Actually it is pronounced "FoPo".
I have a matching 1936 Luger
If it has a special name, its going to be worth more eventually. VoPo will just mean "MoMoney" eventually. Just like the "Black Widow", its basically just a cheapened P08 with black plastic grips which got a special name to make it sell better in the surplus catalogs.
In my experience, if you want a cheap luger, buy a WW1 german luger, thing are undervalued just because they dont have swastikas on them.
Volkspolizei, shortened VoPo, was, if you like it or not, official name of East German Police.