The Emergency Water Storage We've Been Waiting For - FINALLY!!!
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It looks pretty handy. I think I'd find some sort of "sock" to cover the valve while on the road, or buy a spare cap for the tank, so you could remove the valve. Just to keep it clean, and/or away from damage potential.
@#1 TRACKRECORD what-a-JOKE I trust offroad dirt more than I trust road grime.
@I SURVIVED WWIII with IRAN thank you for your service sir
I think it would be best to travel with the valve in storage and not on the can, It will get dirty. And also I would not want my drinking water where it could be tampered with if I leave the van unattended. I'll have a think for some other options that you may like or not. Sorry this sounds like a negative comment it is not meant to be.
Yikes, I was just doing some quick math, and this setup is $135 for 2 gallons of water!
And with it being white it will grow algae very quickly in sunlight.
Yeah - Rotopax are way overpriced and evidently suffering from QC issues if the Amazon reviews are any indication.
It looks really high quality though
It costs 121,13€ to drink 2 gallons of beer in a bar in Finland
@@samanthabentley9876 Evidently they are/were - it seems as though the new ones are having some hiccups. I can see their utility for a motorcycle (which I think is what they were designed for originally) but on a 4 wheel application they seem overpriced compared to better cheaper options.
It is really great to see that adventure van getting a full test along with all the improvements you have make. It makes me remember my 1979 Ford E-150 4x4 Van with all of it's features comes up way short on the list compared to this newest series. Well at least I did bag two nice size bucks and many memories of hunting trips, fishing trips and camping. Glad to see your getting some great use with the family. Building strong family memories to last a lifetime. Keep them aimed well.
Before retiring I worked at a plant that occasionally required work in areas greater than 100 degrees. We set up water jugs at the entry/exit for these areas. After a while people were getting sick. The problem was traced back to the valves on the jugs. Even though we cleaned the jugs, the valve interiors had bacteria in them. We had to go to disposable water bottles.
That's high quality H2O!
Say what you will about my personal hygiene, but please don't waste water.
I am studying engineering at the moment and depending on the stresses it will be undergoing we calculate from 1/2 to an 1/8 of the yield strength for what we are building. The "limit" on a tongue for a truck is more than likely in the 1/6 to 1/5 range .
Nice mounting system, but i would get an extra closed cap and keep the valve inside the van during driving, usually the back end of vans gets pretty dirty just driving on public road
I like those rotopacks, but I think I would have stuck with the walmart ones and cut the bars on the top of your cooking storage container where the valve would stick out so that it would fit, just simply because of the water capacity.
PRO TIP: That spout from the water can WILL fit those gas cans... you can use the seal from the gas spout... BEATS those "safety" spouts! ***Order more "Water" spouts for the other gas cans!
Also... use a little food safe grease on those seals from time to time to keep them from tearing.
When I worked in wire rope and rigging fabrication, the design factor (fudge factor) on all of our slings and fitting was either 5:1 or 4:1, meaning either a 20% to 25% overspec to fail. Whenever I’m dealing with things that are designed well, I always keep those numbers in my head.
Cool setup! I picked up a few of the lci or scepter military water cans. They’re tough. There’s a spout assembly I picked up, but it’s nowhere near as nice as that custom machined one you have. You might want to figure some kind of bag to cover the spout from dust. Thanks for the video!
Nice setup. No worries on the load your hauling you have set it up right with suspension and tires. I run load range E on my 1/2 ton Dodge Ram 4x4 it's a truck to be used and worked not to sit and look pretty lol thanks for the video.
That’s a great system thank you for sharing.
I guess it would be easy to lengthen the “vent” so it goes up inside above the water line but not sure if that would make much of a difference.
Cody,
Thank you for the review and installation videos. I’m planning on using these on our sailboat. I hadn’t see these until you installed.
Thank you again,
Jeffrey
The minimum “Safety Factor” that I was taught in college here in the UK, for engineering design was 4:1. This was for things mounted on a wall etc. (E.g a wall mounted air con unit). I’ve seen safety factors of 10:1 for overhead applications (e.g a lifting beam mounted on a ceiling). So if the Safe Working Load was 100kg it would have been tested up to 1000kg with a 10:1 safety factor
Cody, you got a good chuckle out of me when you got forgot to put the cap on over the spout. I hadn’t even thought about it while you were assembling. Totally something I would have done!! Great video, BTW!
I recommend keeping those rotopax locks well oiled. I have had two different sets completely seize up. I know a few other people who have had similar issues. Over all rotopax are great. I’ve had them for 4 years.
You should list a link for the valve adapter, help out the vendor and your audience.
Nice video. What about the dirt and dust accumulating on the rear end of the vehicle? Don't you have any dirt and dust accumulating on your gear in the back of the truck? A flat rear end vehicle is notorious for accumulating grime. Maybe if you drive only on pristine asphalt roads you will be OK, but when you get on dirt roads, all you gear in the back will be cover with dirt and dust.
I wonder if a air deflector that diverts air down from the roof rack would help with that?
Or add foil vanes to keep the streamlines from separating....as my friend Cal Gongwer did on his van side and roof rear corners 30 years ago....tremendous fuel efficiency of course also .....ha
Thanks so much for the awesome content Cody! If Jack is really interested in aviation, career-wise the next 10 years will be an amazing time to get into the industry. Think about getting him a small plane to build time in. A Cessna 150/152 will cost you less than 20K and would be perfect for him to build time so that he would hopefully have 500 hours of total time for him to get a job when he turns 18 or 19
Make sure not to freeze your fancy new valve. Food safe plastics never last long frozen. It'll likely stop flowing or get accidentally snapped off/cracked. Always enjoy your vids, especially the 4x4 van stuff. Cheers!
Can you give a link to the adapter! Or at the very least give the name of the seller. I’ve browsed on amazon and can’t find it thank you!
In engineering we account for fatigue life as well. So force wise it is usually a 20-40% gap for the engineered strength vs the actual rated strength and 10x factor for life. This also depends on the engineering protocol for each company but those numbers are a pretty good rule of thumb
Thank you for showing your mistakes as well as your knowledge and wisdom. We lessor mortals appreciate it
Becoming a "stamped" engineering (getting your Professional Engineer license) is a bit more complicated than that but you got the basics down. It's definitely something done post-degree.
As for the spigot - I think it's great. Will you be traveling with it attached or in the cabinet? I could see putting it in the cabinet just to avoid mud and what not getting on it. It's also less expensive to replace the plastic spouts than the machined part you bought. I'm loving these van videos! Keep it up!
I enjoy watching these videos you do a great job explaining things, most channels dont explain what they are doing you have helped me out a lot thanks and keep up the good work
I for one like what you've done with the van. few things I would do differently but my children are grown . keep up the good work.
I really loved CAP when I was a kid. Learned things I have used every day of my life.
I really like this! The only thing I would have concern with actually is the dust that we get from behind our vehicles.... I'd go one step further, and put a plastic bag with silicone band over the entire valve assy. Carry a few spares. Will save a LOT of cleanup later. Thanks Cody... great video.
Beautiful, I have the Water Rotopax, now I have a solution =) Thanks for sharing
Jack have fun on your trip to Amsterdam. I live 30 minutes away and I would recommend you to eat some Stroopwafels, they are delicious!
I was yelling, PUT THE RING ON! but you wouldn't listen.
I've had 4 Rotopax water storage can's now for at least 8 years got them at a garage sale for 5 bucks a pop a young service man was being transferred to Europe and just wanted to get rid of them they have worked out great we use them on our trips .
Will you be doing anything to mitigate algae growth?
Usually you'd want a fully opaque tank for external water storage to stop it going green.
Otherwise you have to mess about treating the water with chlorine tablets or some-such.
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You might also want to make a cover for the valve to keep the sun off it. I have what looks to be the same valve on a 5 gal tank and it's gone brittle from being in the sun all the time. Will also keep road muck out as well.
What you call the "fudge factor" we call a Factor Of Safety.
As far has how much? That REALLY depends on industry, materials, and risk to human life. Airplanes usually have the lowest at 1.2-1.5 because weight is such a major factor. To compensate the low FOS, analysis are *MUCH* more rigorous and materials held to much higher standards.
For your hitch the FOS is likely 3. So it's designed to handle 3x the rated load because we know folks like you will abuse them. Personally I would be comfortable loading to 1.5x the rated capacity on something like that.
Hey Cody, I see you said you have a pump filter for the van. I'd highly recommend the Platypus gravity-fed water filters. I've used mine backpacking and it has always outperformed the pump or squeeze filters in my experiences.
Thanks, what’s the link for the part?
Hey Cody, have you considered the longer your rear payload is the more difficult to see the side brake lights becomes? Perhaps two flush mounted brake lights 6-10” below the upper door hinges would help? Great video.
Looking great Cody. Have an amazing week, Andreas from Off Grid Sweden 🇸🇪
Man jack has it so good. I’ve always wanted to be a pilot but my family never had the resources and now that I’m in my mid 20s i only have time for work and school still. Soon tho, soon.
Hi. Because you have so much you pack on the rear bumper area. It might be a good thought to mount auxiliary tail/ signal lights above the windows. A safety precaution and ticket repellant.
Looks like a great setup. I have a three of the Coleman 5 gallon carriers, had them for fifteen years at least. They sell replacement valves for them for around $8 and I'm wondering if they would fit that carrier you found.
Looks good. As others have mentioned, I would add a cover to keep the valve from
gathering road grime.
Well-done review. Thanks.
I was certified for Amusement Device Safety inspection and that was done through the Elevator union here.
15 people can get on an elevator. ..but what are they carrying.... large weight allowance in elevators.
If the black box it's mounted to is also secured with a lock, you could attach a small chain inside the box with the key to the rotopax can. That way you'd only need to carry one key.
Awesome video! I wonder if you can leave off the locking bolts that attach the base of the mount to the lower section of rotopax mount so when it is loosened it will pivot from spigot up to spigot down--no need to take on/off. You may not have room to pivot with your setup but some people mount to the side of their vehicle (like me).
Your engineering acumen and creativity is so appreciated man. I'm needing an inexpensive container to hold potable water for my motorcycle tail end. Any recommendations? Thanks again.
You neglected to add the name of the spigot faucet product. I cannot find it anywhere on Amazon and there were no links in your description.
Something you may want to try. In order to keep dust out of the spigot, buy a few rubber chair leg caps. They're only a dollar or two for a set so no biggie if you lose it.
THE VAN KEY WRING IS GETING BIGGER .BUT GOOD IDEA,WELL DONE.
I agree with everyone else, I would put the nozzle in the box to keep dust, dirt and road salt. You know as well as I do what the backs of cars and trucks look like in the winter time. Also i would suggest to put an auxiliary led brake light/ strip up under the roof rack for the people to see when you have all the stuff hanging off the back side. I'd hate to see all that stuff get banged up.
My cousins are engineers one of them for nasa and i remember him telling me something similar to fudge factor. He was working with semi trucks at the time and they want their number to show as high as possible without people exceeding it too much. 8-12% for something like this is kinda pushing it but it’s there. Also it depends on the terrain if you’re on flat smooth ground it can be there but on a bumpy trashing roads it’s on the lower side.
"Fudge factor" (Factor of Safety) is typically 2 or 3 ish, 200 to 300% of expected max load. The torque, leverage from the extended arm does look a tad scary on a rough road but compared to a max tongue wt. trailer on a shorter reach, maybe not. If hitch is well made as I expect it will at least bend and droop long before breaking, won't likely fail without plenty of warning.
Just to clarify for you, it’s a Factor of Safety, and it ranges from item to item. Airplanes are different than bridges which are different from hand tools. And yes, we like to build them in for safety because stuff happens and we are adventurous too haha. I was taught to design things as if your own family were using them. And to get the Professional Engineer stamp, you need a bachelor’s degree, plus your FE (fundamentals exam) certificate to start four years of work underneath licensed professional engineers. After that you have to pass the PE (professional exam). You pass that, then you are a Professional Engineer. I’m currently working on my four years.
And to get your Structural license you need an additional desire for pain and sorrow to make it through the 16hr test.
we have those valves in Sweden. some times they starts to leak. but they are good.
You could use a water spigot that would go on your house for a garden hose with a check valve if you ever wanted to get away from the plastic valve. Regardless I think it’s a good system. Thanks for sharing as always.
I'm thinking I'm looking at an infomercial..
Replacing $6 water cans with $54 water cans of less than 1/3rd the capacity... It'd be cheaper using bottled water..
How does the boxes and bikes effect the visability of the rear lights and numberplate? In the UK you often see cars with bike racks where you cant see the rear lights or numberplate. Would you consider installing high level rear lights??
Is the plastic on that water can translucent Or does it omit all light? With it being mounted outside like that you may be battling a Algae problem. freezing them full of water would work good For inside a cooler. But if you froze it and put it on your Carrier outside I think you and end up with Quite a mess due to condensation and road dust. But you are right those cans are very nice with a very nice mounting system. Thanks for sharing your ideas with us.
As long as I can have water for my Norske Coffee, I appreciate the device.
Another nice video, Cody. That adapter looks like a nice solution. BTW, it's not pot-a-ble like what you cook in, the "o" is long, like potent.
Looks great. I’m just curious, I’m sure you looked at just adding a water line from your inside system. Would you give us your thought on this? I use one of the Walmart jugs for outside water with my motor home, but have been considering plumbing an outside line.
I think if they open the driver side rear door there is a spigot there - showering if I recall.
Bennington Camper there is, mostly used to flush out waste tubes after emptying your tanks. I want to put one on the passenger side as that is the side the entry door is on, and where we put the grill.
This isn't meant to be snarky at all. The first syllable of Potable rhymes with poe, not pa. It's pronounced poe ta ble. I'm really enjoying seeing the van come along.
Yet it was so...snarky...
@@turnersparadise8368 Honestly, almost no one pronounces potable properly except those of us that process water for a living. I process 4-6 MGD of drinking water.
This is awesome exactly what I need does anyone know if you can directly mount it I have a Honda Element and want to put it on the tailgate but I don't want to just go drilling holes or would it be better to attach it to something else
Factor of safety is typically dictated by several factors: Material, expected forces, application, and gut. Most factors of safety for towing down a highway are at least 2.0. Sometimes more for aluminum because it yields far more quickly and dramatically than steel.
3 people, washing hands, cooking, drinking, washing dishes - 2 gallons doesn't cut it and $135 isn't enough bang for the buck!
this is only for weekend trips. why they hell would you waste drinking water washing dishes when you can just wash them when you get home? or just use paper plates. even if they went by the 8x8 rule there would still be a half gallon of water left at the end of the day. and he did say he was going to get another can.
You should look for some sort of a cap for that water valve. even turned down road dust and stuff will blow up in there. Could even make one with a rubber cork just drill it out to fit over that and shove it on.
'fudge factor' is 1.7 or 2.7, depending on conditions. That's what they taught me anyways.
As an aside, maybe a cover for that valve while driving? Wouldn't want to have to waste precious water just to clean a valve before a cooking session
You might want to extend the vent tube with a piece of pvc tubing that reaches near the bottom of the can. It will flow faster when inverted..
Your videos are great for ideas. I find it interesting reading the negative comments. No one has to use the same items but can come up with their own ideas or change out items to fit their own budget.
14:53 On a previous home where we had some remodeling going on, our structural engineer had really added additional "fudgefactor" to the garage part of the building. A 4x8 beam would have sufficed but he called out an 8x12 glulam to be sure it would pass code and we could (jokingly) hang a full 454 chevy engine from the beam. In fact, we could! He didn't want us to ever come back and say the building fell down. We joked the entire house would come down in an earthquake the but the garage would still be standing.
Sounds like he was *WAY* overly cautious because he wasn't used to typical timber design.
A timber beam will flex wildly long before it's in danger of breaking, so timber designs are usually governed by deflection and not by load. If a 4x8 beam would pass deflection limits, you still could have easily loaded it with an engine block without it failing, you just might have noticed slightly more sag than usual in the floor above it.
@@EngNerdGMN 🤓
How about adding additional LED Brake/Tail Lights on the back of those long loads. Connected to your trailer socket, it,s quick and clean.
Where do you find this valve system? Normally those who post on you tube add a link to find products
Walmart one is 7 gallons, not 6. Just FYI if anyone was interested.
I dont know as it pertains to other areas, but as for ASME pressure vessels there was a safety factor of 4 for vessels built before 1999 and there is a safety factor of 3 for vessels built after 1999 (the materials were actually stronger than they originally thought when earlier versions of the code was written)...as for engineers, it depends on the jurisdiction (state) but generally once a person graduates with a BS degree in engineering they have to work two years under a registered Professional Engineer (P.E.) before the P.E. will sign off on thier application to sit for the P.E. exam (which is pretty tough). Once they pass the exam and thier application is accepted, then they are a P.E. for that jurisdiction (there may or may not be a reciprocity agreement for neighboring jurisdictions).....as for ASME pressure vessels, the P.E. is responsible for the design and calculations, AND there is also an Authorized Inspector (A.I.) that has also had a significant amount of experience and passed the National Board exam that will also sign for the vessel and both are responsible for it.
Super slick setup ! Nicely done.
Wow! What a great summer for Jack! Have you ever considered adopting someone? If you have, I'd like to volunteer for you to adopt me! lol
Watch out Cody, I wouldn’t add that extra 2 gal rotopax. I believe that might overload that van!
I dont see this on Amazon. Wish you would have included a link.
Please share link for valve assembly.
Hey Cody, I know you're saying about the weight, but you should maybe load up with everything and try a weigh station against the vehicle specs (plus your mods). Also water on roof scares me for stability.
Overall, you really want to make sure that you don't invalidate your insurance or be criminally liable in case of an accident. Safe travels to your family and yourself.
Great video! You mention the value set up on Amazon, I don't see a link?
It's a works van. It can handle a lot more than that. I think having one on each side would ballance it out. Enjoying the conversion. Quality 😼👍
Pretty cool water set-up. Fun video!
Excellent as usual!!! I like that valve system!
Covering valve is a great idea. Think it will get dusty on dirt roads. Maybe not very glamorous, but a baggie and rubber band would work.
Cody, you don't have to explain anything to these ASE Keyboard Mechanics. Lol
has anyone seen a link to this threaded adapter? I'm at a loss after searching every combo I can think of
Cody I can appreciate that you are building the ultimate adventure van for your family, by using the best equipment that fits into your budget, My only gripe is that all this comes at a huge financial cost, that you can comfortably afford, but for your average viewer it's way out of the average persons budget. I'm not hating in the slightest. I would just like you to maybe include budget versions of the products you use. Your work ethic is not at fault whatsoever.
These videos are not a blueprint to be followed precisely. They are ideas to regard or disregard as a person sees fit. You don't need an adventure van to have a use for a quality water storage system.
Don't know if you have the room or not, maybe add the second can on the other side of the kitchen box. Then when you swing the kitchen out to use under the awning your water is on the outside not against the side of the van.
where i can find the valve kit? anybody have the amazon link?
16 to solo. 17 to hold a pilot certificate. We recommended starting training at 15.5+ to solo on or close to their 16th birthday. Biggest thing to remember is it’s not rocket science. Don’t let it overwhelm you. Jack will do great.
Be careful with the CAP. It’s paramilitary (which is fine to an extent) but depending on how busy the chapter is or who’s running it, I’ve seen guys wait for years to even fly in the plane. All the while doing grunt work.
The safety factor or "fudge factor" is usually 3x the rated/working load limit.
For mechanical systems, yes. It is higher/lower for other types of systems.
I'd only deploy those after reaching your secure location to prevent tampering.
I can not find the link for the valve assembly
Do you have the name of this to search in Amazon, I couldn’t find it.
Where can I get that valve , please post a link .
Ty
Hey! So glad to hear Jack is ready for CAP!!!!!! Caitlin LOVES it. She is a 2nd Lt. and boy has it changed her life.