What Exactly Is WOKE CINEMA?! (And Why Do Some People Hate It?)
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- In this new on-going series, we will examine the current political climate surrounding all things “woke” when it comes to the cinematic arts. Are Hollywood studios pushing an agenda? Is this creating a division amongst us peasants? Is it even possible to critique or watch a film without politics coming into play anymore?
Our hot shot team of dedicated researchers may have found out that things might not be so black and white… Pun intended? Who knows anymore?! It is an exciting and scary time to be making and watching movies but that type of chaotic environment allows this medium to experiment and grow. Controversy can always inspire conversation and that’s what we are hoping to do with this new show.
I believe it was the Disney+ flick Peter & Wendy that responded with a “So!?” when asked why The Lost Boys were not exactly Boys. And I believe it was South Park’s Cartman who, while poking fun at Kathleen Kennedy said, “Put a chick in it and make her lame and gay.” Sooooo…. What did she mean by “So?” and what did Cartman mean by “Put a chick in it and make her lame and gay.’? I don’t exactly understand all of that but do I understand LAME. Trust me, I identify as lame.
Like it or not, in the minds of many, the definition of “woke” has changed to mean “lame”. It used to be cool. “Stay woke” was seen as a battle cry to fight injustice and bring equality to the people. But the phrase got overused to the point of parody and social justice morphed into a business and even almost a religion. Wokeness began with the best of intentions but evolved/mutated/transitioned into something well…lame. The definition of the word lame is “uninspiring and dull”. That is what many of these new films and characters have been feeling like… uninspiring and dull. Unfortunately, many of these new dull sources of art and entertainment fall under the category of “Woke”. This unfortunately creates a connection in our collective minds that “woke” content equals “lame” content. This word “lame” also means “unable to walk without difficulty” which is what’s happening to Disney and other studios, who seem to be doubling down on the pandering of “wokeness” in their content, rather than quality entertainment.
Context is key when a film is labeled “woke” and it depends on who is doing the labeling and if the movie is good or not. “Lame Wokeness" is very forgivable when the film offers other “cool” cinematic aspects. You got Good Woke, Bad Woke and Ugly Woke and somehow the Good Woke is overshadowed by the abundance of Bad Ugly Woke… which is lame…. and confusing… but that’s why we are trying our best to tackle these issues. Cinema is still a relatively new tool for artistic expression and we are still making mistakes when it comes to how to tell the best story in the most effective way possible. This new call to arms for our content to be more woke or less woke is the next frontier to explore and who knows what we will find in this new wild wild west of wokeness.
At first, “Woke Cinema” was all about telling new stories from new points of view from people who may not have had their stories told in the past due to actual hate and discrimination and racism or sexism or any-ism you wanna ism. But maybe those good intentions went too far, lost focus and began to feel forced, done out of fear and almost hateful themselves; creating enemies out of lifelong allies and supporters. Was it intentional or an accident? Not even the most perfect of teenage rocket scientist Mary Sue Jedi can answer that.
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The problem is changing characters for the sake of changing characters.
I don’t want a black Superman to try to please me. I want them to explore other ESTABLISHED characters that are badass and just waiting to be explored like blue marvel or bloodwynd!!
Blade not only showed no one cared about blade being black but helped open up the lane for good comic movies.
I don’t hate aliens because sigorney weaver was a women, I love it because it took a scared explorer and turned her into a harden soldier and alien hunter. Not just have a woman just moonwalk on the scenes and make men look inept and pathetic.
When you shoehorn shit in., it’s obvious, pandering and pissed me off to no end because it’s too widespread and lazy.
Dont get mad when you tell people this particular movie isn’t made for me but for this group of people and then not only do we not show up but your target audience doesn’t either.
So that's what the "WTF HAPPENED TO...." guy looks like. Neat.
I was thinking that.. Sat listening to his voice thinking I KNOW THE VOICE.
I thought he'd be... Bigger...
@@Theggman83 Double Deuce...
@@reddeviluk lol 👍 the original!
@@Theggman83 ALWAYS the original.... Every single time.
When you try to appeal to everyone, you end up pleasing no one, as the key to failure is trying to please everyone.
Woke sucks
I don't think they tried to please everyone, just a fringe portion of society
Well if everybody was happy and got what they wanted, the world would be pretty boring, now wouldn't it?
@@juberlau9631 Define "Woke"
@@ShadowSonic2 Pede pra sua mãe definir pra você.
Way to talk for almost 9 minutes without coming out and saying... anything.
For real. Nine minutes of the most superficial analysis imaginable on this topic.
We can talk about whether or not some example of representation was handled well or not, and there's probably more examples of flawed, mishandled, and/or otherwise shitbrained representation than good ones in mainstream media. That would be a potentially productive critique. We can complain about bad storytelling, sure. Neither of those is what complaining about "wokeness" is all about. The term "woke" currently exists, not to communicate or clarify, but to conflate and obscure. Be wary of language that hides rather than reveals.
Hollywood does not give a shit about politics. Hollywood filmmaking is a business, and it's 1000% about making money. Advertising and media companies didn't appropriate feminism in the 90s and reduce it to that toothless "girl power" aesthetic with its associated product lines because they cared about empowering women or dismantling the patriarchy. They did it to sell the same shitty plastic dinguses, now featuring cheap pink paint. Similarly, the term "woke" was appropriated from black American culture -- where it actually referred to becoming aware of systemic injustice, something this video barely addresses -- and repurposed it so that even the slightest and most surface-level appearance of liberal identity politics is linked with shitty storytelling. Linguistically linking the shitty storytelling with the representation of underrepresented identities is a hell of a trick for reactionaries because:
1) It allows people to complain about the representation (an illegitimate complaint) while appearing to complain about shitty storytelling (a legitimate complaint).
2) It gives people language to react negatively to something without having to actually examine themselves or the causes of their reactions. There's an awful lot of unexamined bias out there, and now that's all armed with a magic word that makes people feel like they're making a critique instead of having a reaction.
3) The shitty storytelling problem now gets framed as a problem with catering to minority identities (i.e. targeting an audience of anything other than cisgendered heterosexual allistic white people, something you can now call "pandering" so it sounds like a bad thing) instead of what it really is: big studio execs controlling creative choices and only greenlighting stale IPs and the same three extremely broad rehashed stories over and over because capitalism. This is a boon for reactionaries because it makes it seem like Hollywood is failing by trying to be socially responsible in a progressive sense, which is both hilariously and depressingly wrong, but it's also great PR for Hollywood.
Actually, can we talk about "pandering" for a second? I don't remember hearing anyone complaining about "Independence Day" or "The Patriot" pandering to American patriots. I don't remember anyone complaining about The Passion of the Christ pandering to Christians (well, I remember complaints more about using antisemitic tropes to do so, but not about the pandering itself). Are these same people also complaining about movies that pander to white people? What makes "woke" pandering different other than the intended audience?
I would just love to challenge anyone complaining about wokeness to merely be more specific. "Woke" is a vague term that hides many possible meanings. If you have story complaints, please complain about those. If you think some form of representation was mishandled, please complain about the form of representation. If something bothers you about how a particular audience is being targeted, unpack what's wrong with it. What's left of "wokeness" to complain about? Seriously, genuinely, honestly, I'm asking: what's left in this knock-off version of "wokeness" once you tease apart the rest of that?
Politics that are not liberatory do not exist to serve the people. Beware the wolves in woolen disguises.
I don't remember who said it, but the problem isn't a movie starring a female protagonist being "woke," it's when that female protagonist is poorly written. Alien & Aliens aren't "woke" because Sigourney Weaver is the protagonist, but they are great movies where she's an iconic hero because she is a well-written protagonist. The Sequel Star Wars Trilogy aren't "woke" because they have Daisy Ridley as the protagonist, but they are bad because they are poorly written & inconsistent quality behind the scenes regarding Rey's character development as the protagonist.
Nail'd it on the head here.
Well Said.
Rey is just a kathleen Kennedy self insert and nobody can change my mind.
If Aliens came out today, it'd get the exact same treatment as most of these. In fact, it WAS getting that treatment back in the day. Weaver was getting mocked as "unbelievable" and "Rambolina" or something akin to that. The same stuff happened then, with some angry bitter little people waving their fists at the movie/television screens. They're just louder and more organized now with a little thing called the internet.
@@jmsmys13ify No it would'nt stop lying to yourself.
@@spktrspktr3111 Yes, it would, stop lying to yourself.
SOME people, no, ALOT of people hate this woke trend.
I believe the word you were looking for was "most" not "some" 😆
Fun fact: There used to be 15 commandments but Moses dropped one of the tablets and now there's only 10...
Jesus frinking Christ.
Talk about click bait.
Imo. I have my morals and priorities. I don't expect actors and studios to share them. But I don't expect actors and studios to ram theirs down my throat either.
I've always been confused by this type of thinking. How is anyone ramming anything down your throat? There isn't a work of media that doesn't reflect the political and moral views of the creator(s). This is why many older films or books are called "products of their time". What is progressive and conservative changes over time.
@@countsdooku - Just the mere presence of a woman or a gay character seems to count as ramming a message down people's throats.
Meanwhile blatant military recruitment commercials like Top Gun and pretty much any Michael Bay movie gets a pass because the woke-scolds like those messages and the rest of us don't obsess about hating movies.
☝️this guy gets it.
@@RictusHolloweye Yes. I can't remember where I first heard this but someone said that calling a movie "political" just means it has politics you don't agree with. Top Gun is a great example of a political message, but if you agree with US Military hegemony then it's just a fun popcorn flick.
At the end of the day it's your choice whether or not you want to consume any type of media. It all comes down to personal autonomy and all that. You're making a conscious choice to go see that movie I don't think they're objective is to try and RAM it down your throat or anything like that.
The main thing I liked about the Captain Marvel film was that Captain Marvel is now a female. I found the story to be boring US military propaganda, much like the Iron Man films.
Why do >some< hate it? Brother please, except for selfidentified unicorns, everyone hates it.
what's a self-identified unicorn?
You have simplified the “woke”. There wasnt a most black cast movie with a $200 million dollar budget. That was the awe inspiring bit . And that would bring in the wokeness. But it is short sighted to think a company would make a mostly black movie with that much money behind it . And the reason would be “there is no audience “. But by that movie making the money it did proved a point
Better question would be why do some people like it? they're definitely the minority in this situation.
Most of us don't even notice it. If that is all that you can see that is on you.
No it's lame and boring @@craigh5236
@@craigh5236LOLOLOL okay.
@@craigh5236 I bet you don't see skin color either you're just that not racist huh.
It's fun to watch a movie with a different perspective or world view or a character with a different lived experience to me, Stories are all about empathy and understanding worlds / lives that you could never experience for yourself. It's also just about experiencing a variety of stories. Try it.
Always wondered what the face of this voice looked like, thanks for the great content and killer commentary pal 💯
Impressive dancing around it 😂
Probably because going too* far toward one opinion or the other leads to crazytown.
It's ok to not like the Ghostbusters remake or the latest Dr Who seasons because of the bad writing... but screaming "woke!" whenever there is a woman on screen is unhinged.
*edited for spelling
He's gotta be careful with what he says. The Woke cancel culture still is out there.
@@RictusHolloweye Thats the argument of the left. Not that its some rando 13 year old making make me a sandwich jokes on twitter, but that there is a significant group of people worth commenting on screaming woke at women on screen. They dont exist. People dont like the latest Dr Who because his whole purpose of being is to be black and gay. The actor even said (then retracted) white/straight people this show is not for you.... so guess what, people listened.
“Male & Pale are Stale.”
As a straight male and person of color I AGREE.
Let me put it this way - I am a Christian minister and I hate 99.9% of “Christian” movies. Why? Because 99.9% of the time they are hamfisted and trying way too hard. So even with an ideology I agree with, I am repulsed by it when it is disingenuous or low effort. I feel the same way about movies that have other ideologies I agree with (i.e. strong women) and ideologies I do not.
The problem is when people making these movies are either a) doing it as an obvious pandering or b) (more often IMHO) are so far in their own social religion and want to evangelize it that they don’t realize most people aren’t impressed.
When you tell a particular segment of an audience to shut up because they are not entitled to an opinion because that movie was not made for them, later they when that movie bombs at the box office they complain that segment of the audience didn't go see the movie, brilliant.
No studio ever said or did that, the "fans" with a persecution complex made it up
@@ShadowSonic2it's literally in the video.... Stop making shii up to suit your bias ......woke movies can sometimes be fun but most of the time they are bad
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Kate was my favorite females protagonist movie ever and one of my favorite movies ever so I started getting more female protagonist movies and they were full of shit.. like bro Nobody wants to see a movie where a 4'11-125lbs woman knocks out a 6'5 250lbs man with one punch.
@@kennethshouse1234 She didn't say you're not allowed to complain, she said she doesn't care what you have to say. She's not a film studio, she's just one actor. A lot of people who are used to feeling empowered to chime in about literally everything got upset when someone told them their opinion in this one case wasn't important to her. Snowflakes got so triggered by one woman telling them she doesn't care what their opinion is on a movie she's in that was made with other target audiences in mind. Why is this such a heinous offense?
@@liminaut-ek5iw funny you think people who pay to see a movie and put food in the actors mouth shouldn't fell empowered..
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This entitlement is why the movie industry is taking a bang right now
@@kennethshouse1234 again, not what she said
I didn't know that Dan Stevens had a twin.
Cool to put a face to the voice. You are my favorite JoBlo reporter.
Nah Jesse is better
@@javierzamora2329 says a moron
A few years ago I watched "The Good Place", and it became one of my favorite TV shows. I enjoyed the absurd premise, the characters, and the light-hearted tone. Eventually it was pointed out to me how racially diverse the characters were, that it was what made the show good. But it never occurred to me the character's races mattered in the first place. I barely noticed them before, and now I couldn't un-notice them! 😅
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I heard the same thing after watching the movie "Everything Everywhere All At Once". I loved the movie for its heartfelt story and characters...and then I hear it's great because "it had Asian representation". It's THIS kind of wokeness that's annoying, this idea that featuring a marginalized identity group in a show or movie automatically substitutes for a good story and characters (it doesn't). And while I consider myself left-leaning, it's also annoying when people dismiss anyone who uses the word "woke" to automatically be "a conservative". 🤦
Same woke crowd said short round was racist in temple of doom because he had an accent lolz 🤣, that guy still has an accent and an Oscar
@@carlredbird3054wonder if those saying he's racist forget other countries have people that speak in accents? Unless they're in a bubble
@@carlredbird3054 Nah Short Round is awesome.
A lot of it has to do with intent. Many will outright admit they just don't like men or white people. They assume the audience is beneath them and needs to be "corrected." This leads to a boring predictable checklist of smug far left ideas that don't reflect reality. You don't want girl bosses bitching at useless men the same way people wouldn't like a film with a male protagonist who overtly treats all women like crap.
Nobody is saying representation "substitutes for a good story." That's a straw man. Representation for the under-represented is good, full stop. You can praise shitty movies for their representation while also critiquing them for shitty scripts. A thing being good in one sense doesn't "substitute" for it being bad in another. However, Everything Everywhere All At Once was great for representation AND for just being a great movie, so what exactly are you complaining about? That people praised the representation at all? I'm kind of puzzled.
It's hard for people who see people like themselves everywhere in the media to understand the importance of representation for those who don't. How simple that seems, on paper, is part of its deceptive difficulty. It's not an easy thing to wrap your head around if you don't experience it yourself. Luckily, there's a workaround if you put in a little effort: you listen to people with different experiences than yours.
If you're worried about people assuming you're "a conservative," it would probably help to dig a little deeper into the issue and stop spitting their reactionary talking points.
Quite the 90's MTV aesthetic you got going on
I dont think many people know what "woke" really means
Just go ahead and say it!!
@@JerkVegas86 what?
How DARE you try to make sense out of this mess! I'm comfortable with my confusion, thank you very much! 🤣
Am I the only one who thought it said coke and not woke?
Modern cinema could do with more coked out directors/actors/producers.
Personally, I always see the word "Wok" and I can't unsee it.
Modern movies are failing because they are focusing on the message over being entertaining!
We hate woke. We just want a good movie. Woke is bad.
Woke = Lame.
As someone that is not even conservative, you nailed it right on the head.
Barbie, spiderverse
woke was normal for spiritual people in 2006-2010... after 2016 it became dumbness incarnate
So those lame Christian movies are woke?
The fact that “wokeness” (the bad kind) in modern films is being addressed in a more mainstream channel like this gives me hope for the future of the film industry.
They didn't just go too far. They completely lost the plot. They forgot what made these movies with black and minority protagonists so good in the first place. It for sure wasn't a preachy attitude and horrible writing all wrapped up in performative diversity like Greg Owen calls it.
only SOME people hate it? I think its greater than that.
he misspelled "why so many people hate it"
Give me the good ol' days when the word "woke" was: verb, past tense of "wake". As a writer, I would consider this "verbal abuse" (pun intended, but absolutely true). 💯
I don’t mind woke messages if the movie/project is actually good. The woke messages should compromise the quality of product. Because at the end of the day i still want to be entertained by the project even if there’s a “woke” message in there
In my opinion
I can already tell that the comments are going to get really interesting. 😂😂😂
3:45 - Whatever "woke" means to me? It's formulaic art, like most of the pictures in medieval churches in Europe (the "artstyle" may differ, but it's all about "the one and only holy message" 😉).
As your example-videos are all Hollywood-based: Check out European and Asian films (an get used to synchronization! I did that all of my life!), they don't give a crap about that North-American woke-BS.
Okay, after there's a clip of "Into the spider verse": What's woke about that film? Because the main character is black? Come on!
Very nice move with the title card at the front, LOL. Talk about trying to defend yourself from angry comments ... and then going on to make the video and get people angry.
That would be the channel owner trying to sell the illusion of distance and purity...
😲WOAH Never expected Joblo to target this Subject .. also Thank you for not Attacking people within the process of exressing your point of view! 👍🏾
There was a white guy who commented when I was explaining why people were throwing the term woke at Turning Red (I'm also confused bc I don't remember a white guy in the film): It's mostly for having characters that treat every white male as if he's completely incompetent and useless, there's often an obvious agenda and message involved.
not a new phenomenon. look at TV in the 70's where every 'Dad' character was incompetent an outmatched by the Mom and daughter characters. My father was incences by "Eight is Enough" because that dad got no respect and was a nincompoop (his words!). Was that a bad thing? When you look at the previous generation of TV/Cinema like Leave it to Beaver, Father Knows Best, My Three Sons, etc., where the dad was always right...I can see the blowback need for change. Is it the same now for cinema? Probably. Here is something that I (CIS white male 'JonesGen') learned from the "good" woke world and think it is absolutely appropriate here, "When you are the majority, equality feels like oppression." That is what I hear every time I click on a channel of driveling men bemoaning the fate of the world because women, gays, handicapped, etc. are taking places alongside, and (gasp!) ahead of 'normal' CIS white male characters. "Go away now...", (in Scottish accent. If you know, you know.)
There's nothing woke in Turning Red... seen it quite a few times because of my daughter and it actually is very grounded in the context of an Asian family's culture.
Hot topic, this should be a fun one
Woke: “this movie isn’t for men.
Movie flops
Why didn’t men come see the movie?
No one ever said "The movie isn't for men", not once
Pretty much anything that hits movie theaters is "for men" to some degree. Look at how obsessed with Ken the Barbie movie was. How much of that movie was spent on Ken's plight and Ken's character growth? You think that was 100% for story reasons?
People don't tend to notice when they're being catered to. People who are used to being exclusively catered to sure seem to notice when anyone else is.
No go on, quite mlk…. He would find this shit abominable.
I understand that you're trying to appease both sides here, but the box office doesn't lie, woke sucks.
Or the majority of white veiwer don't go out and watch movies that don't cater to them. Even when it's not pandering, no one is watching.
The biggest box office hit of last year was Barbie. A woke movie. It’s not often, but sometimes woke does sell. That’s the point of the video.
@Linklex7 I'm not saying, "Woke don't sell" ...but I will say that if they cast barbie as an black woman....it wouldn't have sold like it did. Woke work when white America can see their selves in the film.
@@tster this is incorrect. we go to movies when they're good and don't necessarily need a white protagonist. they just need to be good products made by competent people. and guess what. most products in the past few years are of horrible quality in writing, shooting, casting and more. that's what you get when hiring people to meet arbitrary racist quota's instead of hiring competent people.
woke products are cringe, lame and just horrible. and the small % of people that it is supposedly catering too aren't numerous enough to matter.
@@Linklex7Or, people were excited to see something different.
He sighted no examples and didn't really get into specifics. It was like he was speaking in general terms so that no one could cancel him. He basically just kept saying woke equals lame, without really defining woke.
It's not about wokeness, it's about studios turning tjr concept of social commentary into a trendy and souless gimmick in order to maximize profit.
Yep. In the end, that's what happened. As usual, it's stupid, greedy people ruining everything for everyone.
When 105 lb, 5'2" women beat up 6'5" 300 lb men.... sometimes two or three at a time.
If they have super powers, sure.
If not, then very unlikely.
If not, but I am the guy, then most likely.
I used to think that it was all about people not liking being preached to, and I still think that's part of it, but people don't like the idea of a character or story hinting that _THEY_ are wrong. People love all sorts of shows and movies with a hero (Or even a villain with good points) monologuing about what's wrong with the world. Hollywood has given us so many morality plays, that it's almost baked into the process. I think people don't like characters or stories, they might have otherwise enjoyed, saying "We're not cool with you or how you think". 😅 Honestly, I can't pretend that I don't understand why that would bother people. There are great movies... characters that I admit I love, that would never allow me in their world.
😂I love The Godfather as a franchise, Sonny Corleone as a character... But I don't think he would have anything to do with me outside of giving me a bad deal on a Cadillac. This fight over woke media though? A lot of the arguments on both sides are pretty lame. People that argue it are as uninspired and misguided as the corporate media they're discussing. We started splitting into teams, and supporting everything someone wearing our team colors said or did. No matter how stupid...
Films and TV show scripts were flooded with words that no one has heard outside of a Women's Lib course.
I feel that people need to understand that certain things are not made for certain people and they shouldn't change things to fit other people's opinions. That's what makes things different just because somebody makes a movie and aims it towards a certain audience doesn't mean it's going to appeal to everybody. But also on the same note if you want to see something that appeals to you then go seek that instead of asking people to change the story to better suit what you think it should do. You can't take an established idea and twist it to make it something else. You have to have it made originally, or not at all, period!
The disclaimer lol
wait... thats it? Like at the 'end' of the video I was like "ok here we go.." but then the video was over. idk what more you could have given us but I was ready for it.
This guys demeanor reminds me of Jessie Einsenberg's lex luthor.
It didn't really matter if the voice telling the story was unique or not. It was just soothe the masses and it worked for the part.
taylor has finally been revealed!!!
Representation and inclusion matters. But when it's done poorly and with little actual thoughts and heart going Intuit people notice. I think that's what make all this come across as preachy disingenuous and tacked on. It's almost like they are speed running through a checklist to make sure they take all the boxes that they think supposedly would appeal to people. As a queer, disabled and person of color. I wholeheartedly appreciate when I see people who look sound and have similar experiences to me on the big screen. But like I said previously I love it when it's done with care and respect and we're not reduced to some token checklist and I really really appreciate when they give characters feeding the categories I just mentioned a full-fledged purpose in a film along with personality. I think people too often toss around the word woke, especially nowadays it's just become like a buzzword inclusion and representation matters just make sure you do it right please😊
I think the issue is that woke movies are becoming a product to be exploited by the big companies, without really caring about building a good script or message. At least when it comes to cinema. Good woke movies are still being made, specially in the independent circuits, however when it comes to plain all thrills and chills the message or impact gets lost in bad writing and corporate bad intentions. And most importantly, if you don't want to divide an audience, please don't be preachy. A good message can be relayed without preaching. Just look at a show like Ted Lasso, brings in the messages it relays however through really well fleshed out characters.
was not expecting a face reveal video!
Within the endless storytelling potential of science fiction it’s always been a great vehicle to explore issues of inequality and alternative and unique points of view. Doctor who is a brilliant case in point. In the early years of the reboot it used stories like Dalek to challenge our thinking about our moral perspectives as a spieces and it did it with a masterful subtlety . Later episodes have lost this fine art. I think it’s a shame that the first female doctor had such poor scripts to work with. I thought she had great presence but generally bad writing.
Yeah, a female Doctor could have been so good with better writers and most of all a better showrunner. I'm so sad that all we got was...well, what we got. A soulless, awful character and story lines.
When they made the live action snow white and the 7 dwarfs and decided to make them all but one of them black people and call them "magical creatures". And men can no longer be the hero in any story. It's the slow death of modern day cinema as we know it.
I like how Hollywood called the entire country of Egypt racist when they slammed the black Cleopatra and stated " Egyptians are not black"
@@OntarioBearHunterHollywood already lost its credibility in most Asian nations
Men are heroes of stories literally all the time. Stop lying.
I say let the studios do whatever they want. I’m not going to waste my time wagging my finger at them. If the movie is bad, let’s just all agree to stay home and watch a good, old movie instead of going to see a bad new one. Even better, watch Mulan. Can you be called anti-woke for skipping some Snow White reboot to watch a classic movie with a female, Chinese lead who through her own brains and determination overcomes her weaknesses to save the day? Of course you can because woke is a stupid word for lazy people.
Yep. I remember that day well. When everyone in Hollywood came out of that big meeting and said that men can no longer be the hero in any story. I was quite surprised and taken aback, I can tell you.
But overall once marketing and advertisers and hollywood...corporations got their hands on the term, they watered it down and bleached it till it meant practically nothing.
I learned nothing.
Surprised to see this coming from JoBlo, but I'm glad to see it FINALLY being said. Accounts like Nerdrotic, Doomcock, etc have been saying this for literally YEARS! JoBlo saying it might mean that it is becoming more mainstream. I certainly hope that's the case.
It was tabled enough times, but they finally let him do it. We'll see for how long.
This is why other than a few slightly above mediocre remakes and the occasional Scorsese or Nolan film, Lord of the Rings being rereleased to theaters is the biggest cinema event we have to look forward too, and I am looking forward to it, although I will attend Beetleguise Beetleguise with low expectations and a bit of excitement, I just think rereleased classics are going to be necessary for a while and not just at midnight or at the discount theater.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that was shocked to see what Taylor looks like lol
The new chucky series went fully woke trying to ram there thoughts down our throats .
Woke=whatever I don’t like in media, minority or gender swapped characters, also whatever someone else tells me it is.
So as a result, out of fear, hollywood studios trippled down on "woke" content.
I'm all for casting whoever in whatever part they would do a good job in, in order to make a movie better. Period. If that means the best person to fill a role that was written for a man is actually woman, or a different race from what was originally written, I'm all for it.
However, once you start shoe-horning in people who either can't act, or aren't the best choice for the movie, simply for the sake of trying to make a point about racial, gender, or disability equality, you've gone too far. Remember folks, "acting" means you have to act out a part that is not really you. If you just cast people to play themselves, it is no longer acting...it's just life.
I think spiderman across the spiderverse is one of the best animated films ever. I think the problem is that some films are so busy worrying about diversity/woke that that they forget to make it interesting or entertaining. The problem with The Narvels isn’t it’s woke it is that it is a muddled mess.
0:56 why not?!?!?
So these companies turned up the volume on their marketing teams and advertising firms. And for the most part it kinda worked.
I think the biggest two that impact me... The Star Wars Sequels, and She-Hulk...
I was totally on board and forgiving of the Mystery box from Abrams (even after 2 Trek movies that were clearly him making Star Wars) about Ray... but when I finally saw The Last Jedi, everything became clear...there was no story here. Which ment that all the negative things you could say about casting choices for ALL the new characters, were entirely possible, because they did not have an idea of the story that they wanted to tell.
She-Hulk disappointed me when she started breaking the fourth wall, and her Legal Firm work was gonna be played more for jokes and used for "clips" (see; shorts, trailers, tiktok, etc). There was absolutely no substance in that show, and if Disney+ did to that show, what it did to Willow; I would thank the Progenitor Dragon Gods that we will never have to be subjected to anything established in that show... which, yeah, includes "Wongers", Daredevil, and Skaar.
And because I mentioned it...
F**k Willow! I gave that show the benefit of the doubt EVERY EPISODE until I finished watching the last episode; even though with EVERY EPISODE I accurately predicted what was going to happen. But it wasn't until the last episode, that...well...I feel like it sqwated on my face, and shat all over me. I even rewatched the whole series a week later to see if I just over-reacted to the final episode, but... no, that was somehow worse! I dont know what these younger generations obsession is with destroying heroes and making sympathetic villains...
...but...
Just stop it!
Or at the very least, if you're going to get these younger writers and directors... could you try NON-Americans? Like, John Boyega is multitalented in acting, writing, and I believe directing now? Maybe ask him if he has an original Star Wars idea, and let him do that? Maybe even with Daisy? She might have her own original idea? Someone whose...NOT...in the Hollywood sphere, and bound by American Political Agendas...
Because, do you know what? ...the rest of the world has its own problems, and your Gender-affirmation issues are not one of them.
Yeah, you never read a She-Hulk comic, have you?
I'm sure thus has some click bait, ad revenue reasom for being split into a multi part video essay, but...
I'm glad ya'll touched this topic and love the way you explained it especially for these idiots who don't know the actual definition for the word, good job JoBlo 👍🏾👍🏾
As a queer guy I appreciate your inclusion of Dr Culber. He's more dull than Chakotay
Also see: any recent episode of Last Week Tonight
I grew up in the 80's and two of my fav franchises had Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton kicking ass in Alien & Aliens and T1 & T2, so I don't understand why I need to be "taught a lesson" in strong female leads. I think the difference was those movies had awesome stories and these new ones are just shit!
If Ripley and Sarah Connor debuted today, they'd be called SJW Propaganda
The difference between “good woke” and “bad woke” is that good woke originated from diverse screenwriters and directors who had thoughtful stories to tell based on their real world experiences. Bad woke is a team of young liberal writers starting with a DEI checklist and then attempting to build a story around it.
Exactly I agree with you on this. Good woke cinema been around since the 1960, most of the bad woke content started to come out in the late 2010s.
Art should be expressed, no matter the medium. What happens when the goalpost gets moved again?
This era will be known as the death of Hollywood. They have rammed terrible movies down our collective throats for years just to spread a message the majority doesn't even care about. Most of us are not racists, sexists and bigots. So, when we keep getting reminded that we are it's just tiresome.
WOKE ruined every entertainment. Video Games, Movies, Television, Comics, Animation, and even Pornography all were ruined by WOKE culture.
I'm middle aged and I miss the world we once had, when men were men, women were women, action heroes didn't have a hidden message and it was ok for a Princess to be a Princess.....
Men are men. They just are more worried about telling OTHER MEN how to behave instead of worrying about themselves. Women ARE women, they just can't operate as their own entities with men making laws around them. Every action hero has a message whether you like it or not. It's Greek Mythos in colorful paint. Accept it. And nobody is cancelling princess. If anything, you more likely to find a Dad beating his son for liking princesses too MUCH.
That world never existed
@@ShadowSonic2 it did.... I was there
A little bit? It went way far
You Do NOT Look Like I Imagined... *hits blunt* ...woke bruhhhhhh ha ha ha ha dude this was awesome
not some everyone🗿
It's terrible and a sin against cinema, that's what it is.
You look like a genetic experiment combining the traits of Henry Winkler, Ryan Reynolds and Ryan Gosling. Take that however you wish. ;)
So now, between the politicians, the martketer, advertisers, and wall street. All the worst parts of our society. The term woke is now a lame shadow of itself.
This video is a mess. Among several other things, his stammer affect almost made me throw my monitor across the room. Here's an idea- write a script, then read that script.
That "stammer effect" is just how he talks. Lol
Everyone is afraid to offend someone nowadays. We live in a watered-down world where stars have to worry about being cancelled in this cancel culture, social justice warrior culture we live in. The 80s were unapologetic, and frankly, just more fun when it came to movies! Let’s get back to having fun again in cinema
That’s the thing. The ones who were being unapologetic equal opportunity offenders were a lot like the Don Rickles of the creative world, meaning that they did it but with respect and heart, whereas the current round of creatives who are attempting to offend everyone are doing it with spite and venom. That’s why there’s a “better safe than sorry” mentality these days and to a certain degree, I agree. Sure, you can do things without hurting anyone but you don’t want to bring back most of those things like the movie “Soul Man” or that one scene in the first “Revenge of the Nerds”. You can be a Don Rickles of the creative world but you gotta have the heart, the soul, the taste and the respect to do so. Don’t punch down for the hell of it, do it with a proper purpose.
I disagree with this sentiment. Cancel culture always existed. It's just easier to cancel people because we have social media now.
Cancel Culture was always about not being allowed to say certain words (George Carlin had a whole bit about that) or show certain parts of the human body, or say anything that might upset Jesus. It's been around so long and has been so ubiquitous that people don't even notice it's there anymore... but even today you can still be cancelled for breaking those rules on the wrong platform or at the wrong time of day.
Nowadays everyone is suddenly oversensitive and screaming about "cancel culture" if they get so much as a few tweets of criticism or if people don't laugh at their "comedy". That's not cancelling, that's free speech.
Good to see the dude behind the voice.
This channel is deleting comments critical of Hollywood and this channel joining the party now, not 10 years ago.
So ... WTF is WOKE ?
🐺Loupis Canis .
Fair take on woke. It's just so exhausting.
the Critical Drinker & Nerdrotic have been defining & showcasing it for the last 5 years.
By being outdated and complaining anytime something didn't worship them?
@@ShadowSonic2 does yer husband know yer on the interwebs?
It's about writing, not whether it's "woke". If the writing is bad, the product will be bad even if the movie is nothing but straight, white men.
For example, anything you can point to about Rings of Power being "woke" will also apply to House of the Dragon. Strong female character, race swapped characters, dialogue about bigotry... both shows had this, but one of them was successful.
People complaining about things being "woke" are missing the shot by a wide margin. Maybe they mean the quality of the writing was sacrificed for the sake of representation, but as I mentioned before, you can have a straight, white sausage fest and still have a terrible movie or show. It has always been this way.
Yeah, I wish more people would complain about that instead; all the bad writing that we're getting. That was a problem even before we had so called AI writing the scripts. But it hasn't exactly become better since they started letting so called AI write their scripts. Bland, boring writing we might get if it's a good day. Otherwise it's just bad.
It is a shame that the term woke got co-opted because originally it was just about black injustices. Now it's anything too far left. It's pretty obvious what content has been more about pushing DEI than quality content
Sorry just got back from Neverland.