308 and 30-06 are the same bullet with the exact same powder charge. Ballistics and performance are identical. The 308 or 30-06 argument is the dumbest of the gun world.
@@timgoward9407 30-06 has a powder capacity of 68 grains. 308 had a powder capacity of 56 grains. The larger case of the 30-06 allows you to load heavier bullets and retain greater velocities. Saying they're the same is like Saying 300 win-mag is the same as 30-06. It's not...
In Sweden we use the 308 win for everything, moose, bear whatever! Our bears are a bit smaller maybe then the biggest american, but its a brownbear so.. Our older most used cartridge was 6.5x55, used for every animal. So definitely useful.
The swedes basically invented the 6.5. It has taken everything at one point in time. 180gr took an elephant, swedish elks taken with 140-160gr. The 6.5x55 swede is versatile and a much better chambering than the 6.5 needs more.
It seems the European hunters focus more on proper shot placement and bullet selection than their American counterparts. Here in the US we tend to focus on horsepower for whatever reason. In my experience the 6.5 creedmore or 6.5 × 55 swede and the .308 win offer adequate performance for any and all North American game but I do reach for a magnum when the animals get over 700 lbs or may range beyond 400 or 500 yards.
In my surroundings we seldom take shots at longer distances than 200 meters. Usually between 50-100, maybe in the mountain areas moose-shots can be longer, but not so common in Sweden for example. But different locations demand different sized bullets etc. My go-to rifle is an old Husqvarna from 1953, I'm born in 1981, in the magical 30-06. But maybe if i hunted/lived in an area where the distance for moose-killshots was 400 or above my choice of go-to rifle would be a 300 wm or something. I've looked into buying one, because usually the big bullet/caliber-rifles are cheap on the used market, because its kind of an overkill for us. But placement is key, if you dont hit the right spot, no cartridge big or small will help u!😅
Yeah that's really common and has been forever. Civilians have historically been better armed and professional militaries and been more proficient with it.
I know a couple guys that dropped big brown bears in Alaska with the .308. Both where one shot kills, just dropped the bears. Ammo used was the Winchester Silver tips, not sure of the bullet weight.
308 is cheaper and has been on the gunshop shelves longer. 6.5 creed is the new kid on the block, has less drop out to distance, and is mainly for long-range competition. However, it costs more to shoot. It not only depends on where you are going to hunt, it depends on your budget.
Elk is actually a much tougher animal than moose. A 6.5 creed can do the job but it’s definitely not the best tool for the job. You can use a hand saw to build a house but I’d always choose the circular saw
If y'all are insinuating 6.5cm is as plentiful as 7.62 NATO or .308 Winchester, I'm sorry but it would take decade(s) for that to be true. Now maybe in your region , what is on the shelf is similar, but in no way, shape, or form, is 6.5cm anywhere near the amount of rounds on this earth right now
The .308 win is only about 100 fps slower than the .30-06 springfield with bullets up to 170 gr. And with 180 gr bullets the 06 is only about 200 fps faster than .308 win at most. Yes that makes a difference but my point is nobody would claim that the .30-06 springfield was underpowered for any North American game, even moose and brown bear yet they turn their nose up at the .308 win for elk and mule deer? Imo the .308 win can easily take ANY North American game including moose and brown bear INSIDE 300 yards and with good shot placement and the right bullet selection. Elk and mule deer inside 400 to 500 yards. However, i prefer to have a bit more oomph just to make it a cleaner kill. .308 win up to 700 lbs and 400 yards, .300 win mag for over 700 lbs or beyond 400 yards. .30-06 springfield will bridge the gap and do 75% of what the mag will do. Just my 2 cents. Of course, with hornery brown bear around, the .338 win mag is even better company. Lol.
The bullet construction and placement Is everything. Caliber is a talking point. Give me a .243 nosler Partition shooting sub MOA, over any .308 caliber cartridge with a cheap cup and core bullet shooting 3-5 MOA for anything in the continental US
Bought my first hunting rifle, it was a 6.5. bought it during covid...long story short i sold it 6months layer, brand new, never shot cause ammo literally did not exist for it 😂 its one of the most popular hunting rounds, and for a good reason.
So 308 amazing round always called it a 30-06 short 165-180 kill mostly all North American game dead as a hammer might see some problems as he said in the moose and the bears but 6.5 I have some trust issues with my buddy shot a small white tail with it double lung hard blood trail you’d never be able to track if you were just starting into hunting like he was just little spots of pink bubbles every 30-40 yards but it snowing so it wasn’t that bad if it was i would have had a hell of a time and I don’t like to toot my own horn a lot. But I’m damn good tracker was raised in the woods only one deer Iv never found and it was because the guy hit in the leg and it wasn’t dead iso the 6.5 from what Iv seen is as good as your 243s and 22250s they will kill just don’t expect very many drop shots like say a 308 or even a 7mm o8 absolutely love a 7mmo8 wish the 6.5 the best tho I love the flat shooting 22-28 cal rounds but from my experience I’d rather have a .7mmo8 or 308
Watched a video where a dude set up a 500 round, belt fed 22lr. And, you can hunt a dinosaur with a 22lr set up like that. Just need a wheel barrel or a sturdy back pack to lug it around. But, 22lr. Dino Hunter.
7mm08 retains more energy at distance than the 6.5 loose more and is still flatter shooting than the 308...243win, 6.5creed and 7mm08 are all based on the 308 case. The 6.5creed is a solution to a problem noone gave a shit about
You point of it being about to kill most if not all of North American game is rather silly. A 22LR can do that with proper shot placement at effective ranges. But that doesn’t mean that you should. 6.5 is .5 mm smaller than a .243 which is 7mm. Best effectiveness is mule deer and smaller. Can it be used for larger game? Absolutely! But your first shot better count!
Everything is shot placement. Sure 6.5 is better known for longer distances but ultimately are you dialed in to your rifle? It’s like the weenies that can afford and expensive exotic car. “Oh my ride is .5 second faster 0-60 and has 700HP.” Doesn’t mean you’re a skilled driver and can handle it.
6.5 creedmore is a poor choice for elk yes it puts holes in them in perfect situations ethically it’s a poor choice it was a big fad a few years ago now their are alot of them for sale 270 win 30-06 7mm rem mag 300 win mag are better choices obviously Timmy hasn’t hunted very much in the west where a 300 yard shot is a chip shot 6.5 runs out of gas at about that you want a minimum of 1800 lbs of energy on target for big elk
Okay, but you're talking about someone who can hit what they're aiming at in order to kill an elk.You're going to have to hit it, right?You can't be the average guy and miss the vitals and still put the oak down.Was it three or eight because it doesn't have to knock down to take it shoulder out
If you can't hit the vitals when hunting, you should probably get closer to the animal. Before you try to take a shot, you do that or maybe go to the range and spend more time there than hunting
Tim, should the buyer's budget not come into your equation? Though I am a 6.5 fan boy, I cannot find or reload my 6.5 for as cheap as I can for a 308. Both rounds are phenomenal on paper, but at the end of the day, my pocketbook dictates my buy.
You're talking about market swings. That's why I have a .270, 25-06, 30-06, 6.5 CM, 7mm Rem Mag, .243, 30-30, 308 and more. I can always find ammo and never don't have a rifle for a hunt. Also, I have backups for my backups.
Wrong ... Bison requires a minimum .300 win mag ... .308 can't get the job done.... But I live in Montana where the animals can eat you ... Unlike Texas
Hes never claimed to be a seal that ive seen. However, he has claimed to be, and 100% for a fact was, a green beret (army special forces) @Jbainbridge5
Had someone tell me using a .308 for elk was unethical and irresponsible. .300 win mag is the smallest that should be allowed. He was asked how many elk he had harvested? His answer was none. Go figure.
Does Tim think regular civilians should be allowed to hunt?
This dude is a liberal in uniform
You're going to find .308 on any shelf that sells hunting ammo....
Tim am I as a civilian allowed to have a scary 😱 high caliber hunting rifle… me an untrained swine
This has to be a troll comment
@@mikebrown8149not really a troll comment. Tim said he doesn’t want civs to own this stuff
As an American yes😂 18+
@@StephenShredsto own what stuff guns lol
@@mikebrown8149 yes it’s been widely reported
Nothing you say regarding firearms matters anymore Tim.
Why?
Eah why?
@@MarineVeteran0351 because ole Timmy only pretends to be pro 2A.
@@SkiWalkieTalkiehey said we should disband the 2A
@@SkiWalkieTalkiehe’s a 2A gatekeeper and thinks civilians shouldn’t be allowed to own ARs
30-06 takes the cake for versatility and knock down power for new hunters.
But it also kicks like a angry mule, it's not for the inexperienced for sure.
Horse shit my Mossberg says different@@wolfguard1180
308 and 30-06 are the same bullet with the exact same powder charge. Ballistics and performance are identical. The 308 or 30-06 argument is the dumbest of the gun world.
@@timgoward9407 30-06 has a powder capacity of 68 grains. 308 had a powder capacity of 56 grains. The larger case of the 30-06 allows you to load heavier bullets and retain greater velocities. Saying they're the same is like Saying 300 win-mag is the same as 30-06. It's not...
Everybody where I live use a spot light and a 17hmr lol
22 mag
Realest comment I’ve seen all day
In Sweden we use the 308 win for everything, moose, bear whatever! Our bears are a bit smaller maybe then the biggest american, but its a brownbear so.. Our older most used cartridge was 6.5x55, used for every animal. So definitely useful.
The swedes basically invented the 6.5. It has taken everything at one point in time. 180gr took an elephant, swedish elks taken with 140-160gr. The 6.5x55 swede is versatile and a much better chambering than the 6.5 needs more.
@DPain82 ballistics wise the 6.5x55 and 6.5 Creedmoor are pretty much identical.
It seems the European hunters focus more on proper shot placement and bullet selection than their American counterparts.
Here in the US we tend to focus on horsepower for whatever reason.
In my experience the 6.5 creedmore or 6.5 × 55 swede and the .308 win offer adequate performance for any and all North American game but I do reach for a magnum when the animals get over 700 lbs or may range beyond 400 or 500 yards.
In my surroundings we seldom take shots at longer distances than 200 meters. Usually between 50-100, maybe in the mountain areas moose-shots can be longer, but not so common in Sweden for example. But different locations demand different sized bullets etc. My go-to rifle is an old Husqvarna from 1953, I'm born in 1981, in the magical 30-06. But maybe if i hunted/lived in an area where the distance for moose-killshots was 400 or above my choice of go-to rifle would be a 300 wm or something. I've looked into buying one, because usually the big bullet/caliber-rifles are cheap on the used market, because its kind of an overkill for us. But placement is key, if you dont hit the right spot, no cartridge big or small will help u!😅
@Lazlo81 - sounds like a beautiful Husky! I bet its smooth as glass!
And yet Timmy got owned at the competition even at the shooting range with a civilian😂😂😂
Yeah that's really common and has been forever. Civilians have historically been better armed and professional militaries and been more proficient with it.
@@jsaction33 Tim doesn’t think this should be the case, crazy how none of his fans seem to know his views on guns…
Took my moose with my 308. Worked beautifully
I know a couple guys that dropped big brown bears in Alaska with the .308. Both where one shot kills, just dropped the bears. Ammo used was the Winchester Silver tips, not sure of the bullet weight.
I have used my 270win and it has done great. I’ve had no reason to change it up
You must have had some stocked up during the pandemic when 270 wasn't on the shelves
That's what I thought until I saw a lottery winner turned away because .270 wasn't deemed powerful enough for Buffalo ... Culling the Yellowstone herd
308 is cheaper and has been on the gunshop shelves longer. 6.5 creed is the new kid on the block, has less drop out to distance, and is mainly for long-range competition. However, it costs more to shoot.
It not only depends on where you are going to hunt, it depends on your budget.
The camp gun in SA… .308 Win using 180 gr Remington Core-Lokts, saw it take a Waterbuck, Zebra, Croc, and an Eland bull. No bull!
Elk is actually a much tougher animal than moose. A 6.5 creed can do the job but it’s definitely not the best tool for the job. You can use a hand saw to build a house but I’d always choose the circular saw
Big difference from hunting perspective and self defense perspective. Id want 308 for ammo availability if it was the latter
Pretty sure 6.5 is more common than 308 right now.
Why do I see 6.5cr on the shelf literally everywhere there’s 308?
If y'all are insinuating 6.5cm is as plentiful as 7.62 NATO or .308 Winchester, I'm sorry but it would take decade(s) for that to be true. Now maybe in your region , what is on the shelf is similar, but in no way, shape, or form, is 6.5cm anywhere near the amount of rounds on this earth right now
My exes father is a guide in Ontario. He's shot moose for decades with a 308 BLR.
30.06 is another good .30 cal choice
I think you should be able to track what you shoot because what a 308 you going to do a lot of traffic good luck to you
I'm not sure you have a high enough social credit score for this.
Pepperidge Farms remembers
As someone who's hunted his entire life. Only ever needed a 22lr, or a .308. Nothing else needed.
I mean 308 has 110 130 150 168 175 180grain options all over the shelves amongst other weights.
I still didn’t get an answer lmfao. All I know is I could hunt just about anything with both.😂
Lol. Pretends to know everything. In Alaskan bush 223 is a popular choice for moose.
What?
Yeah you got to be joking lol
Anything less than 375 H&H for a coyote is cruel.
IIRC, the 6.5 caliber has the best ballistic coefficient of any caliber/bullet
Why spend 10$ more on a box of ammo especially when a 6.5 is a lighter bullet? 308 for the win. More bang for your buck
The .308 win is only about 100 fps slower than the .30-06 springfield with bullets up to 170 gr. And with 180 gr bullets the 06 is only about 200 fps faster than .308 win at most.
Yes that makes a difference but my point is nobody would claim that the .30-06 springfield was underpowered for any North American game, even moose and brown bear yet they turn their nose up at the .308 win for elk and mule deer?
Imo the .308 win can easily take ANY North American game including moose and brown bear INSIDE 300 yards and with good shot placement and the right bullet selection.
Elk and mule deer inside 400 to 500 yards.
However, i prefer to have a bit more oomph just to make it a cleaner kill.
.308 win up to 700 lbs and 400 yards, .300 win mag for over 700 lbs or beyond 400 yards.
.30-06 springfield will bridge the gap and do 75% of what the mag will do. Just my 2 cents.
Of course, with hornery brown bear around, the .338 win mag is even better company. Lol.
Creedmoor are great but south Texas nilgai are too tough
Barnes Vortex 168 gr, 308 took down my Texas Nilgai with one shot. That's a big animal.
I can disagree with him saying 308 is iffy for bear, gramps got a single shot 308 pistol with a scop called the bear gun
The bullet construction and placement
Is everything. Caliber is a talking point. Give me a .243 nosler Partition shooting sub MOA, over any .308 caliber cartridge with a cheap cup and core bullet shooting 3-5 MOA for anything in the continental US
I don’t think anybody has ever question whether you could use a 308 or 6.5 for hunting.
Bought my first hunting rifle, it was a 6.5. bought it during covid...long story short i sold it 6months layer, brand new, never shot cause ammo literally did not exist for it 😂 its one of the most popular hunting rounds, and for a good reason.
So 308 amazing round always called it a 30-06 short 165-180 kill mostly all North American game dead as a hammer might see some problems as he said in the moose and the bears but 6.5 I have some trust issues with my buddy shot a small white tail with it double lung hard blood trail you’d never be able to track if you were just starting into hunting like he was just little spots of pink bubbles every 30-40 yards but it snowing so it wasn’t that bad if it was i would have had a hell of a time and I don’t like to toot my own horn a lot. But I’m damn good tracker was raised in the woods only one deer Iv never found and it was because the guy hit in the leg and it wasn’t dead iso the 6.5 from what Iv seen is as good as your 243s and 22250s they will kill just don’t expect very many drop shots like say a 308 or even a 7mm o8 absolutely love a 7mmo8 wish the 6.5 the best tho I love the flat shooting 22-28 cal rounds but from my experience I’d rather have a .7mmo8 or 308
I started with 30-06 and still using it
Watched a video where a dude set up a 500 round, belt fed 22lr. And, you can hunt a dinosaur with a 22lr set up like that. Just need a wheel barrel or a sturdy back pack to lug it around. But, 22lr. Dino Hunter.
Same difference the 6.5 will do a little better in the wind for those 400-600 yards shots outside of that they do the same thing.
7mm08 retains more energy at distance than the 6.5 loose more and is still flatter shooting than the 308...243win, 6.5creed and 7mm08 are all based on the 308 case. The 6.5creed is a solution to a problem noone gave a shit about
308 every damn time
I love how he ups the game every sentence. Nothing in Texas. Nothing in America. Nothing on the continent 😂
They they still make that hat, I really want one
You can kill any game with 308 or 6.5 it shouldn't even be a debate
.30-06 🙏🙌🇺🇸
Fair enough 👌🏾
You can't kill too dead. 300 prc, 210 bergers at 3k fps. Because why not.
You point of it being about to kill most if not all of North American game is rather silly. A 22LR can do that with proper shot placement at effective ranges. But that doesn’t mean that you should. 6.5 is .5 mm smaller than a .243 which is 7mm. Best effectiveness is mule deer and smaller. Can it be used for larger game? Absolutely! But your first shot better count!
Agreed
308 more effective inside 300 years in theory
If you have the money for a big game hunt, get yourself a proper big game rifle. 🤠
Free range Nilgai are a real thing in South Texas, and they are bigger and WAY F@CKING tougher than Elk.
Everything is shot placement. Sure 6.5 is better known for longer distances but ultimately are you dialed in to your rifle? It’s like the weenies that can afford and expensive exotic car. “Oh my ride is .5 second faster 0-60 and has 700HP.”
Doesn’t mean you’re a skilled driver and can handle it.
That brown bear don’t want none of that 308 especially if you use the right bullet
6.5 hands down...i prefer the 260 rem...
i use a 270 or 3030
Those would bounce off of Joel Romero though
6.5 is a wimp round just go with a 3006 or a 270
6.5 creedmore is a poor choice for elk yes it puts holes in them in perfect situations ethically it’s a poor choice it was a big fad a few years ago now their are alot of them for sale
270 win 30-06 7mm rem mag 300 win mag are better choices obviously Timmy hasn’t hunted very much in the west where a 300 yard shot is a chip shot 6.5 runs out of gas at about that you want a minimum of 1800 lbs of energy on target for big elk
Send me one of your beat up trijicons.. please. I know you have boxes of stuff you dont used
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My 300 winmag
Okay, but you're talking about someone who can hit what they're aiming at in order to kill an elk.You're going to have to hit it, right?You can't be the average guy and miss the vitals and still put the oak down.Was it three or eight because it doesn't have to knock down to take it shoulder out
If you can't hit the vitals when hunting, you should probably get closer to the animal. Before you try to take a shot, you do that or maybe go to the range and spend more time there than hunting
@@josharnold. Preach, I spend about 100 X the time on the range than I do in the woods lol.
.308 sure is cheaper!
You can take moose or bear with 308
Will it take out a mouse at 500 mtrs ?
30-06.
6.5 needmoor sucks 308,30-06 or 300win
30-06
.308 all day, every day
300 Savage
Find that german guy with the mustache yet?
You can hunt everything on the planet with 50bmg… just sayin 😂
Except small game
Ok... so are you gonna tell us?
Tim, should the buyer's budget not come into your equation? Though I am a 6.5 fan boy, I cannot find or reload my 6.5 for as cheap as I can for a 308. Both rounds are phenomenal on paper, but at the end of the day, my pocketbook dictates my buy.
You're talking about market swings. That's why I have a .270, 25-06, 30-06, 6.5 CM, 7mm Rem Mag, .243, 30-30, 308 and more. I can always find ammo and never don't have a rifle for a hunt. Also, I have backups for my backups.
Nope 308 hands down.
I seriously don't think a neo-guy is going to drop for the 6.5 ethically
What?
Wrong ... Bison requires a minimum .300 win mag ... .308 can't get the job done.... But I live in Montana where the animals can eat you ... Unlike Texas
300 win mag
300 winmag
6.5 shoots straighter for longer
How about squirrel?😂
Neither 7mm08
But .270 beats them both
a 6.5 what? a 6.5-284? a 6.5 prc?
Why shoot brown bear? Surely it's not for meat?
.308.
A 6.5 what?
I'm so sick of the need more bull shit!!!
6.8😂
Are you going to trust this Ranger about hunting information when he says you can take a bison with a 6.5 CM?
Edit: service mistake
I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, but he isn't/wasn't a seal. Also, I have killed a bull bison with a 6.5 CM at 300 yards.
@@MillennialFarmerhe's on record saying he was a SEAL. Even when he fought in the UFC they said he was a SEAL
Hes never claimed to be a seal that ive seen. However, he has claimed to be, and 100% for a fact was, a green beret (army special forces) @Jbainbridge5
I didn't know for sure and didn't check out his service record tbh. He's an anti-gun person so I'm still not going to trust him.
@@MillennialFarmer Sure, and I know people who shot a whitetail with .223 that doesn't mean it's recommended.
Both over rated
Lol
Had someone tell me using a .308 for elk was unethical and irresponsible. .300 win mag is the smallest that should be allowed. He was asked how many elk he had harvested? His answer was none. Go figure.
I use a 7mm magnum
30-06