Pistol Stopping Power: The Myth and The Three Areas to Shoot
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You have probably heard the term "shoot center mass" at some point in your life. In the video we discuss why that is one of the first places to shoot even though a better term would be "the heart" or "high thorasic". We also discuss why stopping power of a pistol round is a myth. Remember, its not the size of the bullet, its how many times you can effectively hit your target in the vital areas. This video will show you where to put your shots in order to FORCE the bad guy to stop what he is doing so that you can win the fight and go home alive at the end of the day. - Спорт
Situational Awareness is even More IMPORTANT than what you're carrying. If you keep your head in your surroundings and Don't draw attention, the chances of being attacked are less. And if you do get targeted as a victim, if you see it coming because you were paying attention instead of having your head buried in your phone, it will give you more time to execute a preemptive attack. Stay Vigilant, and Stay Alive. 👍
I used to teach people to shoot at the 3rd shirt button and was laughed at. Of course those that were laughing did not have a better plan.
They were nervously laughing because their imagined attacker had turned the tide with a turtleneck pullover shirt. No buttons to aim for... D:
On a serious note, your advice is what I have heard since I was young. 3rd button down might just do it. Thanks for sharing!
Depends on shirt button spacing
Most body armor does not cover the lower pelvic region. There are two femoral arteries and two femoral veins, fed by the lower aorta and the inferior vena cava. Huge blood vessels, you could bleed out in 2-3 min with a direct injury to any of them.
@@racekar80 the good ol pelvic double tap, one in each ass cheek from the front. If done properly will cripple or cause massive bleed out.
John W Hardin always went for the head.
I have been a forensic psych for going on 20 years. I have interviewed, no exaggeration, thousands of people involved in gun fights. This is a situation where I kept saying I will do this job for one more year. The next year it was one more year. As a result I never kept any official stats so I have nothing solid to present but a few things do stand out in my mind.
First, reloading during a gunfight is rare. It does happen but the majority of gunfights on the streets are a fairly quick exchange and it's over one way or another.
Secondly, assuming .38 or 9mm and larger, the cal is secondary. As far as handguns go, nothing really stands out to me as superior.
No doubt, a .45 has more energy and in some cases, that extra energy will make a difference but it doesn't seem to pass a threshold where that difference is notable.
I saw one case where a guy got shot in the gut with a .45. He fell to the floor, rolled around crying for a min, then realized he wasn't incapacitated and got up and ran off. A few moments later he realized he was going to need an ER so he sat down and waited for the police.
I have seen more cases where the number of rounds is more important than the cal.
I am just one of many opinions out there but I carry a high capacity 9mm. My reason being, having more rounds in a brief fight is more important than having bigger rounds. I am also a thin woman with little girly wrists and I can shoot a full sized 9mm faster.
Any noticable experiences with the more unusual sides of the spectrum like .410 shotshell out of a derringer or the small caliber guns like 22 LR?
@@mrd7067 Good question!
During my 30 year career I was involved in three gunfights, only one of which I had to reload my revolver under fire. My take away from all these experiences is quick accuracy, shot placement, is far more important than caliber. We were issued .38 revolvers which were reputed to be underpowered but my experiences were quite the opposite.
shananagans5 English writing 101 might help, honey.
@@ProfessorBulletMG She writes better than you, Dan.
One thing I would add about the pelvic girdle is that it is the support structure for the body. If you break the bones in the pelvic girdle the target can not stand. High or not, pain tolerance or not, the support structure is broken so they are mechanically unable to stand.
Steven Dwyer
Good point.
I did see a video where a criminal was shot in the pelvic region and though he could not stand he continued to shoot many rounds lying on his side....
Humans can be tough critters to be sure...
Where I live shooting a criminal laying on the ground is against the law unless you can prove the criminal is still a threat. I personally will worry about that later.
Wasn't that technique taught to the NYPD "special" vice squads, by a champion shooter back in the 1970's?
Steven Dwyer
Yes Pelvic Girdle, It Absolutely will STOP a CRAZY Criminal and CRAZY is hard to stop. 12 gauge blast to the groin, or upper groin area should take care of the Pelvic Girdle and some other benefits, such as very large Arteries in the area, plus some Organs that don't like getting shot.
My 2cents...you are usually the second person to know that you are in a gunfight.
Comanche that is why a person must stay alert, don’t go to bad areas unless you absolutely have to, present a hard target, withdraw if you see something unfolding, and fight if you must. And don’t waste time wondering WHY you have been targeted but serve it up to them with gusto!
I preach situational awareness... If you have a gun or no, knowing if there is a threat coming is half the battle. That means, head on a swivel, not down on your damn phone.
mskiUSMC there are those that understand what we've been through, preach wtf you want SA is a given all the fucking time. My shitholes are solo no squad w you or QRF in the future even when you know shit will hit the fan your on your last nerve civilian shit in Manila or Anbar on Saturday nights et al.
and you have the rest of your life to react
Good way of putting it.
Just a bit of a correction; US Army never used the .45ACP round during the Philippine Insurrection. It's true that they decided the .38 Long Colt was not getting the job done, so the Army reissued old reworked Colt Single Action Army six shooters. These pistols were in .45Long Colt and were much appreciated by the troops in the Philippines. Years later when the Army decided to modernize and adopt a semiautomatic pistol, most offerings were 9mm's or .38's. However, the Army said they would only consider a new pistol in .45 or larger. Colt redesigned its .38acp pistol to take a new .45acp cartridge, and the 1911 was born.
This sounds accurate according to what I've read.
Thank you for the education, Gunnery Sergeant.
This event also eventually brought about the replacing of the .38LC with the S&W .38 Special.
Bingo
While they were undoubtedly chambered in .45 Colt (not "Long Colt") they weren't necessarily issued .45 Colt ammunition due to an ongoing supply problem in the US army where they had both .45 Colt revolvers and .45 Schofield revolvers and different ammunition for each. There were continual problems of ammunition being issued to the wrong guns.
It was decided to only issue the Colt revolver and only procure the Schofield ammunition as the Colt revolver could use any of the ammunition in the supply chain and the .45 Schofield ammunition being added to the supply chain could be used in either revolver including any Schofield revolvers still in use. Schofield revolvers stuck around as since there was less and less .45 Colt ammunition available it's not like you got a more powerful revolver and the Schofield was quicker to reload: you could eject all spent rounds at once then load 2 rounds at a time.
Which is why the .45ACP replicated the ballistics of .45 Schofield, not the heavier and faster bullet of .45 Colt.
The best gun for self protection is the one you have w/you !!!!
ok
The best gun for self protection is the one you can find ammo for.
That's right but make sure it's a good one not junk
Regarding pain. A crack, pcp, or meth head got on the luggage roof- rack of my friends car.
No verbal or physical persuasion would get him off the roof. My friend just got in his car and carrying the doper on the roof all the way, drove to the local police station. It took 4 officers to peel the guy's hands off the rack.
Zip them up. Aim for the pelvic girdle and let the recoil drive your shots up.
This guy gets it.
Some instructors train to instead of waiting till you are aligned for center mass or a head shot they instead want you to start firing almost as soon as you get sights on the target at all because they would argue nobody likes getting shot even if it’s in the leg and usually the 1st person to get hits on target wins
Stay on target and let them fall through your line of fire.
My Target is anywhere on their Spinal Column...
This is excellent I've never thought of it this way...
In the context of SD shootings, "stopping power" simply means that after being shot, the threat stops being a threat. Whether they dropped dead, were physically incapacitated or simply surrendered. Regardless of which one it is, the round "stopped" the threat. In self defense, that's the goal.
True regarding what "stopped" means in a self-defensive shooting scenario, specops56. Good points. The only things I can think of to add to that are these: one should not immediately assume a homicidal attacker is "stopped"/ "incapacitated" just because he or she has fallen to the ground, for while there is any possibility of consciousness or regaining consciousness there, there is also the possibility of reemergence of aggression; furthermore, relatedly, if the weapon of the enemy is still within reach of the enemy's grasped, it should be considered as still having potential of being retrieved to be used against the self-defender. So watchfulness is still essential, if, for whatever real reason, the self-defender must remain in the actual location of the attack & the self-defender should not reholster if necessarily still at the scene, at least not until law enforcement arives & takes over the situation (stay on phone with the 911 dispatcher, of course, to continue to communicate that you are the victim, your description, your actual & -- if present -- loved one's actual location(s) within the area as well the actual location of the perpetrator(s) within the area, &, highly important, that you are yet armed & intend to be armed until the police enter & take charge of the threat(s)). The best thing, most likely, if loved ones are able to be in tow & not be left behind, is to vacate the scene of the incident while in contact with 911 or to contact 911 afterwards to tell the self-defensive side of the story & direct the first responders back to the scene of the attack.
Agreed 100%. This is why I've taught my wife to keep shooting the threat until it stops being a threat no matter how many rounds that takes. I've also taught her to describe herself and clothing and ask the 911 dispatcher to send EMTs for the attacker.
I hear you, specops56! Good call & good info, man! Thanks for sharing! ☺👍
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Probably one of the best succinct summaries of this subject I've seen. As pointed out, it's comparable to successful real estate transactions: location, location, location. Translated here, it's placement, placement, placement. The caliber is pretty much a secondary consideration (unless it's a 22 short...). But in a stress situation, that's sometimes hard to do.
Some other things to consider...With the proliferation of effective civilian body armor, the "power" of your cartridge does come into play. Most of the common handgun calibers will not penetrate this body armor effectively, but the more power you deliver to the armor the more damage there will be to the tissue behind it (bruising, broken bones, shock). As you move up the handgun caliber food chain this damage gets worse, and at the higher end usually results in cracked sternums, multiple broken ribs, etc. These may not end the fight but they will definitely slow most "bad guys" down quite a lot. This is also why many people train to target the pelvic region as you mentioned. It is usually not armored and rounds here result in massive bleeding and loss of mobility. Obviously, all this is solved with a headshot but those are difficult to achieve on moving targets for most people and the margin for error is much smaller. The point is, understand what your rounds (and you) are capable of achieving and train to maximize the effectiveness of both. I'd rather get in a gunfight with three gangbangers fielding 45's and target ammunition than a serious cowboy action shooter with a 22LR revolver.
A little reported fact occurring during the battle of Fallujah was that the Iraqi insurgents fought with super human, but stupid bravery. After the battle they found hypodermics on the ground all over town. Turns out the insurgents were shooting up drugs to make them fight bravely, but with the unintended consequence of making them fight so stupidly that they were killed in mass.
They are muslims ... stupidity comes with the territory.
Before anything else this is my wife's profile. I was there and dont remember anything about them being on drugs.
@@maxzorin9425 And the way you jump to the defense of admitted Muslims makes me wonder if you're an Islamophile globalist sheeple, btw
jhanks2012 You sound like an Islamophobe, ..afraid of a religious group you don't really understand. It's your right, but not much to brag about.
@@Chief2Moon phobia = an IRRATIONAL fear of something.. being afraid of Muslims should be the default stance, and is surely not irrational. You sound like an islamophile, a much worse insult than "islamophobe" all things considered
good advise pistol vs rifle... thank you for putting the real thing out there.
Thanks for the life saving info. Homeowners definetly need to know this. I would have thought the throat would be a sweet spot for bleeding out.
GREAT video!....Very Informative! ....Thank you very much, please keep up the good work! !
Unfortunately rifles are a bit harder to conceal, but I get your point regarding handgun cartridges
7:22 that little move would make a great meme!
Great and informative video man, thank you.
It was not a myth when the military tried out various calibers for a sidearm on live cattle in 1904. That was when the .45 won.
+Craig Summers
excellent video,
recommend that you try the triple tap...
when it is up close and personal you're pulling your gun out with one hand.
as soon as the pistol clears The holster the barrels pointing down. and then when you fire The Gun Barrel wants to rise.
so think about this, first shot pelvis, second shot chest, third shot head, all triple tap with one hand... when you practice this you can do it.
EDC 1911A1 45AUTO FMJ
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As recommended by the Sheriff of Baghdad, retired CAG operator. Zipper them up.
Very informative and well presented.
Thank you for the education, sir.
Thank you! I used these areas to shoot and got reemed by the instructor. Her point was hit the x. I walked her through the hits and why I used them. Her response, oh! If I must shoot to defend I want to ensure I have stopped you.
Very good and best video i ever seen ive been searching a lot
yeah they don't say to shoot center mass because it's the "best" they say to because it's the biggest target lol
well explained... thank you.
Absolutely. The only thing I would add is front sight focus. In the real world, everything above .38 special and below .44 mag seem to perform almost identically and even then, smaller calibers have stopped fights immediately and magnum calibers have failed. With that in mind, my own personal philosophy has always been; Squeeze the trigger until it drops.
Shot placement is key.....any caliber can kill relatively easily.
How does magnum calibers failed?
Correct and even larger calibers in situations of stress can miss the mark and do nothing more than shallow wounds. Shot placement is king but people seem to forget that in a stressful situation your shot placement goes way south unless your continuously training.
jordanaug81 .22’s have stopped fights so nobody needs more than a .22
The reality is though, that in a shooting situation, you will be pointing, not aiming your gun.
Bryan, the why of velocity importance is most easily explained with a little "play" on Einstein....a pea hitting you at 2000 miles an hour will do a LOT more damage than a bowling ball dropping on your foot from the height of your waist, or better known as "as speed increases so does mass (and time slows down)". As for penetration, if a .22 hits and penetrates your eye, all its mass does damage to the brain, while a .38 that hits at some weird angle, bounces off the skull and circles it stopping on the other side (this happened BTW while I was doing security at a hospital) the .22 will kill you while the .38 just makes you WISH you were dead..
Right on the money brother!
Two in the body and one in the head; as for shot placement, good luck with that when the adrenalin is flowing.
Patrick S That's the way that I practice. From the draw... Quick double-tap to the heart, one precise shot to the forehead. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. You get the picture. Practice until its second nature, and you feel 100% confident that you can make the shots, to save you, or your loved ones lives. This scenario will likely never come up. But, just because you're carrying a sidearm, doesn't mean that you can be proficient with it, when it counts. Too many people buy, and carry weapons, without ever practicing with them. Don't be that guy. Besides, practicing is loads of fun. Side note... Practice drawing your weapon, from the holster, and carry position that you normally use. Also, if you like to carry with the safety on, practice disengaging that safety as you draw. I've saw several videos where people forget to disengage the safety, in the heat of the moment. You will lose your fine motor skills, in a highly stressful situation. I, personally, prefer guns that can be decocked, or a have a long double action trigger, so I don't have to carry with the safety engaged.
Yea, fuck the head shots. If you can, (and thats a Big if) shoot 10 out of 10 on the range, your accuracy will drop to about 2 out of 10 during a gun fight
Kicking , punching , dowsing with lighter fluid and wrapping shovels around heads is also allowed should the occasion arise.
Once in the pink and twice in the stink!
Good intel, thanks.
I practice shooting for the back bone.
Good video. What struck me is that just like in this video many martial arts, especially Wing Chun, recognize that 90% of the body's critical vulnerablities lie within 2 inches of either side of the midline.
Good information, spot on
“Stopping power” is the nice way of saying “killing”
Very interesting, and informative, bideo. Thank you, Sir.
Oscar
CENTER MASS. original PPC/B27 target has a 5x ring for scoring. that 5x is in the center, aiming at the 5x gives the shooter more room to miss and still keep projectile in the body and less likely to miss completely and hit a by stander. VTAC is probably he best trg going. I wish it in photo w/hidden zones.
the one thing no one talks about and to me is the most important thing and that is the bullet. the bullet does the killing. I have been a bear hunting guide for over 25 years and have had to shoot many many bears with pistols of various calibers. a couple things i've learned is number 1 over penetration will not get you killed under penetration will., number 2 you push a pistol hollow point much over 1100 fps it will not penetrate over 2 inches. an example of this is i was using my .45 super with buffalo bore 200 grain hollow points and had great results i shot one wounded bear at about 5 feet right between the eyes, it penetrated the skull, the length of the neck broke the shoulder and rested just under hide in a perfect mushroom. figured i'd try some 185 xtp from BB doing 1300 fps, next bear i shot 3 times in side and it kept standing back up had to grab a slug gun to end it. bullets expanded too quick and never penetrated thru the fat.
Mostly agree, but they make "soft point" hollow points, "fmj" hollow points, "bonded" hollow points, and solid copper hollow points.
You just have to tune the velocity to the expansion you want.
I occasionally shoot soft point and lightweight hollow points at 1600fps, and yeah watermelons get 150 feet wide. Major overexpansion. Kind of a "summer" ccw load.
If you’re using BB ammo, why aren’t you using their hard cast flat nose solids. They’re claiming three feet of penetration with some of that stuff and that’s what you’re after. Handgun bullet expansion on a Bear will be a joke. Now, a 45-70, expansion will matter.
Excellent video. Also, if people have not been trained in pre-incident indicators they should make it a point to do so. Thank you for the video. Semper Fi USMC.
"Hydraulic pump" ...gotta love it.
Pump station lol
Pump city lol
One thing to consider; solorplex, aortic hyatas area. Greater chance of nervous system shutdown, greater blood pressure loss, and diaphragm shutdown, even with a small caliber bullet. If under stress, you might shoot low (pelvic girdle = nervous system shutdown, blood loss, shock), if you shoot high, heart/lung/artery shot.
Greetings Mr. Summers. 😀 Having a medical background, I'd like to add something to your list of important goodies. Another great potential thing to stop the fight would be the loss of air. If one was to shoot another in the center mass area, one might hit the lungs...causing a pneumo thorax (collapsed lung). That'd definitely take the wind out of the bad guys sails! Lol! 😉 Hope you have a great day and a great start to the new year. God bless.👍
That's an incidental hit. What he should have mentioned but did not, was a CNS hit from L1 to the face. That is the only instant lights out hit.
Weight..low weight allows better placement....so for me the 380 auto is perfect...I can put more shots on target like he described...and the auto is faster and easier to hold on target...critical to placing more then one shot in the same area...any questions....big guns..big bangs....must retarget for every shot...to slow...return fire possible.
Thank you a very interesting video
Good Video!
this video is a great illustration of why the Mozambique drill is so important to practice. double tap the chest one to the ocular nasal cavity. if you practice that way no matter what gun you're using you're going to put them down. that's why this argument is so stupid because yeah on one on one of 45 might be 9 mm a little bit but you're never only going to fire one shot. and pretty much anybody who's honest is going to realize that if 3 hit with a 9 a bad guys going down
For hitting vital organs, sure, not a huge difference. The larger projectiles are better for the bone-breaking part though -- not all shooters are ex-Delta who hit the head/heart 99% of the time in a fight.
Garrett Butler that is a really good point. and I agree that the larger bullets are better for breaking through bone and barrier. however most new Shooters shoot the 9 mm a little bit better. but I'm with you there
@@johnouellet4099 True again -- the higher capacity modern pistols and how wild high-tech modern loads have gotten are other big reasons 9mm is probably the most popular pistol caliber...
@@GB-sh9st No one is really teaching "heart" hits anymore. It's all about getting contact with the CNS. That's anywhere from L1 to mid face.
Great advice
Good thoughts, sir. Just ran across your channel. 😎
I usually say:
Thoracic cavity
Ocular vault
Hip girdle
Awesome vid shot placement is deciding factor
His priorities were off.
As far as the size of holes made in people by different calibers FBI testing revealed that due to low velocities, ALL handgun calibers leave holes in people that are smaller than their bullet diameters. Low velocity allows tissue elasticity and rebound to come into play, and the tissues close slightly after the bullets pass through. So the difference in hole size between a .380 and a .45 isn't great. It takes speeds upward of 2,200 fps (i.e., a rifle round) to leave a hole the same diameter as the round. For handguns, shot placement is more important than caliber.
Well done.
I like this guy. He's not a perfect presenter, but he's real.
Just now finding this, and your advice is sound, even if old. But old advice often comes from people who lived to give the advice. From my own perspective I've been leaning more towards bullets that will penetrate deeply enough to those essential giblets like spine or heart/lungs/aorta, regardless of bullet type. For choice of rounds ballistic media tests are useful, but not for temporary or permanent cavity size; I'm looking for that 16+ inches of penetration through bone or meat that shields the organs and not whether the .355" projectile ends up measuring .500" or more.
short barrel 12 gauge shot gun with #4 or larger buckshot delivers 5 times as much damage as a .45 ACP round with the same number of trigger pulls. nobody walks through it, and you really can't miss.
@toeff7852 I carry a 12 gauge everywhere I go, except the shower. In the shower I depend on my huge balls to get me out of trouble.
Tim Hallas actually my everyday carry is a fully-automatic viking battle-axe with an 30 blade high capacity double magazine-clip. You pull that out of your jacket and the thieves just run...
@@TheMattc999 I would too. I don't like messin with crazed Vikings.
@@TheMattc999 No kidding but after reading about 13 rnd 9mm faut pas I'm thinking...blades! Chop them into five easy pieces and threat-gone!
I mean you really could miss but if you don’t the bad guy is fucked. I keep a mix of 00 and #4 buck in my shotgun for home defense and at 9 yards which is the longest shot in my home my #4 buck patterns all 21 pellets within a chest sized target,my 00 opens up to about a large hand,at 9 ft both loads are barely exiting the wad.
Thank God I don't have any buttons on my polo shirts
Thank God I don't own a polo shirt 😂
Blood, brains and bones. In any order dependent entirely on the circumstance and 'my' training.
If the gun came out of the holster, the muzzle is likely transiting from 'that entities' toes up - shoot no shoot - came with the draw. . . pelvic girdle is my first large area, if I had to. . . I'd start at the toes, a bit more time, pelvic is a great work zone, working up.
good video.
Great video of history.
"Bob" really helps your presentation.
center of the sternum a 3 round burst is a kill only outcome. the first round hits the sternum the second hits the throat or misses and the last round enters from just below the nose to the eyebrow depending on your barrel length at 10 yards
good points young man
One of the best videos I've watched yet, very well done...
Great video. Like the placement of your shots.
stopping power means shot placement and bigger caliber. The advantage of a bigger caliber is when it hit outside the T-factor: from forehead, throat, center mass abdomen, bladder area. The line following these areas is the spinal column. Outside the T-factor the bigger caliber has the advantage of inflicting greater injury which is not stopping power.
Awesome thanks
Yea very telling, stopping power...what it is, not only placement but sometimes # of rnds. to subdue a threat. Antz, he didn't have anything shielding his torso or did he keel over later?
You didn't touch on bullet velocity and penetration. I would like to find information on why velocity and/or penetration are important metrics in gun design. For example the difference between a .22 LR and .22 magnum, etc.
velocity squared
Excellent video! No need to have an ambulance for dead bad guys. Center mass shots at the 3rd button has to be the best point of aim.
Also ,several years ago , in Milwaukee , I was talking to an officer who had recently turned in the 9mm , that they were given , to a .45 , reason being , she said she emptied her gun ('13 rounds , I believe ) into a guy , barely slowed him down , it wasn't until she clocked him in the side of the head , that he went down " and died " he had a cocktail of meth,Coke and bath salts in his system .not sure exactly what bath salts does , but , she said is eyes where wide open , but , nobody was home .
Guy Brooks nasty stuff. Unfortunately in that situation, even a fifty cal probably wouldn't stop him. In Somali, they would get all hopped up on cot. You could put five or six rounds of 5.56, center mass and they would hardly flinch. That's why Remington developed the 6.8 and rushed rifles & ammo to "frontline" units. Now that knocked their dicks in the dirt.
bullshit.. she missed 12 times.. 13 rounds of 9mm will put down a fucking 400lb charging bear.
Tim Hallas: There are plenty of stories of guys all drugged up, soaking up over a dozen hits from handguns, having to be taken down with shotguns. It happens.
@@gregshock Bullshit. One bullet (any size) to the forehead drops them all. I don't give a fuck if they just mainlined PCP and Meth.
@@timhallas4275 not bullshit my friend , FACT , it happens , ALOT , that's just one of the reasons most cops carry .40 ,.45 Cal. , More stopping power , and Lessons chance of s'one else getting shot AFTER it went thru it's intended target , this officer had a few extra .... challenges .
she was female , a very attractive female @ that , she trained,practiced more , was better than 40% of the blue swing'n dicks in class , she was a very good shot , and dude was , but 40' away .
It’s the “one” of the two and one that solves the problem.
Part of the issue very most forget, pre 1911 was use of calvery. Stop 🐎 stop charge. This was also resurched by military.
Appreciated the video. And as always ,learned a couple of things from your informed viewers.THANK GOD for our 2nd Amendment
6th option run like hell. Well done.
In my one and only "gunfight" I was dragged from my car by the ringleader of a group of 5 lowlifes...As he was pulling me from my car, I slid my revolver from under the seat, and when he spun me around by my left arm I stuck the gunbarrel into the center of his gut and thumbed back the hammer...The sound attracted his attention, he looked down and froze...There was a moment of sheer terror, but not mine. I backed him up about 3 feet, then raised my gun up so the rest could see it, and yelled "spread out"...They complied...QUICKLY...During the whole incident, from the time I told my wife to leave the club, while I played rear guard at the door, to the time I was dragged from the car, I was playing out the scenario in my head and knew exactly how it would play out. I had no fear whatsoever...I live by a credo...Push me, I'll leave, chase me I'll run, catch me, I'll shoot you....That time it was not necessary...
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Damn John Wick, and then everyone stood up and clapped?
Great video. Thank you
Glad you liked it!
What are your thoughts on the 38 special +P FBI load or a good 38 wad cutter. I personally carry two J frame S&W model 60. The quickest reload is a second gun...aka New York reload.
The quickest reload is to not have to reload and having something in 9mm with an flush 18 round magazine
No matter the supposed "pain tolerance" as you describe it, you are trained to shoot centre mass as if you hit the heart you will put someone down regardless of what they have in there system. It has nothing to do with calibre as if I hit the heart with a 22 they will drop, if I hit the lung with a 45 they will keep coming. Head shots are for the movies the head is much to small a target if you are stressed, not trying to disrespect you but there is only one option aim centre mass and keep firing till the threat is resolved. Just simple military training.
Three things you can’t postpone without dire consequences:
Calling a Doctor when gutshot.
Finding a toilet when traveling in India.
Paying your people.
Ain’t no one gonna stay in a fight when gutshot.
unless he's a doped up Moro
Blood, Brain, Bone, "Balls". A hit below the belt is not only effective to interfering with the bad guy's ability to focus on his aggression, it is easier to hit than the brain. The groin is not the primary target but the region including the hips is a larger area than the ocular cavity. Upper chest hits will lower blood pressure but the brain will still function for several seconds. Pop til they drop with a high capacity, low recoil weapon is the key. 9mm ammo is much more effective than the old FBI Winchester Silvertips that expanded too quickly and retarded penetration in the 1986 Dade County fight. This is a very good, straight to the point video.
thanks for watching! A shot to the pelvis or "little brain" is more effective when done with a rifle...not necessarily a pistol. It might be mortal...but I want it lethal, immediately..not next week
@@CraigSummers not lethal but meant to distract and stun to set up the brain shot.
@@CraigSummers Although we don't try the trick shot of shooting the gun out of the hand, multiple center mass shots are likely to hit a hand, arm or gun itself which will stop the enemy from shooting which is the best scenario.
We did failure drills (failure to stop) Marine Basic. The idea was, you do two immediate shots to the chest, and than one shot either the head (t-box) or one to the groin. The instructors advised us to go for the groin shot in the drill because it's an easier target. Something tells me that a 62 grain ball round smashing into your pelvis at over 2400 fps would put you on your ass (what's left of it). My question is, is a pistol caliber really enough to do that sort of damage. I'd say no. I'd say just putting as many rounds in the chest as it takes to put them on the ground is what you want to do in the moment, whether its one shot or ten.
There is a ballistics specialist over at the OH Bureau of Criminal Investigations that teaches ballistics and believes in stopping power.....
thank you
The one called center mass is a fast incapacitation area, is very informative but most of the time bad guys are not standing in front of you showing they chest. Crime happen so fast and by surprise.
Example: the results if the guy is robbing you and pointing you with a gun, you know he is armed and he say to you "dont look at me" if you draw and shoot to him is a complete gamble, walk away alive is a gamble and bullet placement even a biggest gamble. Like this is dozens of similar scenarios. The best is avoid be a victim and expose yourself to unnecessary risks, always keep your mind ready and already know what to do in different scenarios.
if you're walking down the street, into a store, etc and have a free hand, imo just have your weapon in your hand. first off, no one will fuck with you (probably) second off it significantly reduces your reaction time
situational awareness is key. You cant get a chromebarrel to the bone marrow if you been looking at who is looking to rob you lmao.
I read interview with pro Canadian government shooter who used .45acp. His first shot was to belt buckle & lower- for 3 reasons: 1) pain, 2) bleed out quickly, 3) fear- they think you are trying to destroy their manhood. Next shot was to the brain. They will then be DOA.
What about the "triangle " target ?
I like how the forehead is excluded from the box:
"Shoot'em in the FACE!!" ~Bill Burr~
Where can I get that cool skeleton target at?
What about aiming for the neck?
1) there's a ton of vitals there
2) being too high gets the head
3) being too low gets the center mass
4) being low left or right can get the clavicle and the artery
PS: yes, center mass and head will still be preferable targets, but compared to the stomach and hips, I rather think of the neck first.
The margin of error is too small. You also have to remember that there might be people behind the person you are shooting. If you dont hit the target, those bullets are going somewhere. You want the bad guy to be the back stop and all rounds to go in to him. I like where your head is at though
My theory is start at the bellybutton and work your way up.
The neck is something you MIGHT hit if your shot at center mass is too high, but I would still aim right about where he drew the big dot, or, slightly below center point between the shoulders
Look at the target again...
A little left or right, and you're in the black (complete miss).
@@fin_jan Don't forget about lungs and arteries. Can't run without 'em.
Better to aim for The middle of the chest square. Your aim point would be above the heart and lungs.
1:10 PCP would probably be one of the main hallucinogenic type drugs that can make somebody extremely hard to kill. It has anesthetic properties so it can entirely kill pain and the lack of brain to muscle control compared to being sober also makes somebody much stronger physically and being much harder to kill
DJ LSD PHD ... I had the thrill of fighting a PCP addict. He weighed less than me and tossed my brother and I around like we were rag dolls. A neighbor then shot him in the torso with a .357 magnum S&W wheel gun, and he still ran off. The whites of his eyes were darkish yellow. He was found 2 miles away screaming in an alley. Detectives told us he was a known PCP user. Super human strength is REAL.
That’s the three areas I always practice on
i have been a conceal carrier for over 30 yrs, never had a problem. I now carry the Sig P238 with +P. But always wondered if:
1. Would I be able to draw my gun in time
2. Would i be able to use 2 hands or just one
3. In the excitement and fear, can i hit the offender in a significant spot or if at all.
4. Is the .380 that i usually carry enough
5. And last, when is the appropiate time to draw my gun before the assault happens
I just hope It never happens
.380 is great if the other option is, say, a sharpened stick. But a sharpened stick is better than a fist. A fist is better than praying(or just praying).
I don’t feel underarmed with a 380, because most people, most of the time run around their daily lives totally unarmed and unaware. Having a 380 is having more gun than 99.9% of the people ever have.
Notice that the pelvis "target" is much bigger than the head. Originally we were taught two to the chest then one to the hips. I still believe that is best.
And that takes balls...literally!
Good video! I have been suggesting the top button for all my 42+ years as a Firearms Instructor. I also at some point in their training, have students bring a black or Navy blue t-shirt to staple over their target. This gives them NO FEEDBACK as to where their rounds are hitting, and they ALWAYS, UNCONSCIOUSLY seek that feedback; their resulting targets, SHOULD have groups JUST AS SMALL as normal but instead look like targets shot at by a shotgun with 00-buck from 25 yards. You Must KNOW and have CONFIDENCE as to where your shots will hit... Hammer USAF SSgt; US Army CW4/SrAviator; INS/ICE/CBP, ret.
Knees and elbows..? Moving targets smaller than a head? I would go for option A.. buttons on the polo shirt.. four 9mm shots there should do it
Two (2) in the Chest-- initial rounds... One (1) in the Head--- focused on that front sight post... Dump remaining rounds in the Pelvic Girdle... RELOAD and scan your sector.
Thanks
Everything he says here is correct in theory but in real life, thinking and aiming goes out the window and only your training will save you or kill you due to lack of training. And when I say training, I don't just mean aiming well, it's gun fighting tactics that will when the day. Tactics is more important than any other concern such as what caliber or ammo type. Gun fights are almost always fast, close up and personal, so aiming has little or nothing to do with winning, tactics does. Tactics is the ability to size up the situation and somehow get you hand on your gun and pulling that trigger before the other guy sees you have a gun. First place always wins. You need a gun that fits your hand so well that just like pointing your finger, you can point that barrel without aiming, just start putting shots on target with in a 8-10 ft range, without aiming at all. Right from the waist, bullets need to be flying to your target and then raise it up to your eye if shooting is still needed and place some shots to the head. If you think you'll have the time to pull your gun and press it out in front like in the videos, you are going to lose. I've seen people do that because that is how they were taught, trained to hit paper targets at 21 ft. instead of thugs at 4 ft., often more than one thug. So shooting like you are at the gun range is only good at the gun range, in real life and death situations, the shooting is much different. It's not about quick draw, it's about getting your hand on your gun without your target seeing that (tactics) and then quick shooting him before he can react, you need to incapacitate him by shooting him where ever and as much as needed until the threat is down. If your target already has his gun in hand, you need to probably shoot him in the head to stop him quickly, or maybe after a couple of shots to the body, one shot to his gun or hand holding the gun, like the lone ranger used to do, it works well but only if you are close so you can make that shot. That's over thinking a bit but the tactic is to incapacitate asap to save your life, and maybe others. It's the art of war, be deceptive, don't let them know you have a gun until it is firing, that's tactics.
they were smoking opium and they wrapped pig intestines around joints to stop blood loss/bleeding out. which is kind of funny as pigs are unclean to them. also best thhing for center mass is a 12 gauge with buck shot.
Cletus Strouf
The drug they used was called "juramentado" and the US troops were indeed issued 12 gauge shotguns but I have to disagree that all "handgun calibers" are equal!
I thought "juramentado" was the name for the guys making the attacks? I dont believe all handgun calibers are equal either... neither do wild hogs. (LOL)
Cletus Strouf Or a slug
Jeff... Tru Dat.
@@matovicmmilan first of all it is spelled hurementado and its not a drug, its a mental state of losing control of yourself, ( mental, physical, moral) going berserk? did I spell that right? lol. and not the name of anybody.
Please allow me to explain further. If somebody's coming at you you shoot at the chest first if he still comes at you you shoot at the hips if he's still coming then and only then you go for the head. if you put one bullet in somebody's head during a stressful situation you're shooting would be questionable and possibly subject to the law because it will look like a plan shooting. Furthermore the projectile will exit the head and just may hit somebody else. that's why the head is always the last alternative.
Well your talking about the ideal. I would say most all people who use a handgun to defend themselves including the conceal carry have not attended even one professional quality training session like Front Site and others. They may send a few rounds down range a year, and never practice drawing and engaging in practice. Sooooooo most all will be scared out of their minds and shooting in the general directions. Even cops are some of the worse shots.
. 45 acp it leaves a nice hole and does lots of damage