I've come around to Jessica's performance no shes doesnt look or sound like joan but she captures her fragility and ambition. Such a talented complicated artist.
Poor Joan ... Actually ... the director of 'Trog' were a very good director and an even more brilliant cinematographer ... Watch his work for director 'Jack Clayton' on 'The Innocents' (1961). And his work on three 'David Lynch' films : 'The Elephant Man' (1980), 'Dune' (1984) and 'The Straight Story' (1999). Also 'Cape Fear' (1991) for 'Martin Scorsese' ...
Trog was a humiliation for Crawford. It was a grade-B (if that) movie and degrading for someone of her stature to star in. But she and Davis were linked by their burning desire to act regardless of how Hollywood viewed them: as old and washed-up because they were female and over 40. What is worse, it wasn't always like this. In the early days, say, the 1930s, there were several acclaimed actresses over 40 who were able to secure good roles. Remember 'Diner at 8?'
The earliest date of birth was 1904, depending on your source. Women, more so than men, would shave off as many as 5 yrs. to keep getting employed. A common practice in Hollywood since the advent of motion pictures. Not many did this, but a certain number had.
Joan was a fine lady, and while this portrayal was more humanizing than that awful book, it did not do her justice. When will this icon's reputation finally be redeemed?
Some people don’t realize that an actor’s portrayal of a past or DEAD actor is not meant meant to be karaoke or mimicry. Yeah, there should be some reasonable resemblance-would anyone accept Chrissy Metz as Scarlet O’Hara?-yeah, NO. But Lange and Sarandon, in this production, were tasked with the job of ~portraying~ … not with imitating or aping (Trog notwithstanding). They both did a great job. I think the “feud” was likely overstated and that Bette Davis and Crawford just went in and did their jobs and went home. But that wouldn’t make for “drama beneath the drama,” would it?
Pure fiction. And BTW Trog was a work of genius next to Bette Davis' last film, where she played a witch and disappears halfway through the film because she walked off. Why didn't they cover that??
slh950 I feel the show followed more of the urban legends than actuality. It's stated Joan had fun making Trog, but yes she hated the final result. She did NOT have to change clothes in a car or van, she had a big trailer. I doubt she was this self contemplative on set about her past and state of career. Joan seemed like an in the moment, always moving forward woman. I doubt she was sitting crouched in a corner like a depressed person putting the Trog mask on! I'm sure she felt she was a big deal star on set and much stronger!
Bette was ill with cancer and couldn't complete the film. Whereas, in Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte, Joan had a temper fit and walked off the picture. Then pretended that she was ill. (The doctors couldn't find anything wrong with her). She wanted to boss Aldrich around, change the script, and build up her part. They fired her. Which was a good thing, because Olivia was a million times better than Joan in the part.
@@SymphonyBrahms at the time she said if she finished the film it would ruin her reputation for further work, didn't like the director, and knew it was mot even B-grade. I love Bette, too, she was awesome ... but neither of them were treated well as they got older, and look around now, it is still happening.
@@briannavarrete49 I don't know that I would agree it was "justified". It is fair to say that she was the more troubled of the two, but they portrayed Joan as shrill and hysterical through most of the miniseries and it did seem a bit amplified. By all accounts, even from Bette Davis herself, Joan was known to be extremely professional, courteous and prepared for all of her scenes. She was known to write thank-you notes to all of the cast and crew on each film she made. This is the 2nd film to do a hatchet job on her.
I agree mostly with the comments. Although one account (in regards to her changing on location), she was having to change costumes in a car. But I think some observations here are conveyed accurately: the budget being very low for this film [no trailer available to her due to that], along that she attempts to enhance---by making the best of it--the film, while the director makes it more dull.
A.J. Price, I had read that. He was in fact, very respectful of her not only due to her own acting ability-he was careful never to criticize someone who knew far more about the moving industry than he did. I wished she had continued working for at least a few more years. But maybe she was worried about doing another movie which would [likely] bomb like this one did.
What a bomb that movie was. Joan must have been desperate for work if she signed up for that one. She should have retired after that dreadful piece of junk Strait-Jacket.
Plenty of top stars have done some really bad films late in their careers. Lawrence Olivier in "The Betsy" and Peter O'Toole in "Caligula" and Richard Burton in "Exorcist II" are just a few that come to mind.
:Like many actresses of her generation Joan spent everything she earned trying to live the lavish movie star lifestyle. Still, when she passed away she was worth 2 million which was worth much more then than it is now so I agree with you; I don't know she did this film.
Christopher Olson It's sad to say....she was drinking quite a bit...and there was a problem with that coupled with not being able to remember her lines....so it has been written.
Highly unlikely; suffice to say, Murphy was taking a lot of artistic control when he wrote this scene. It's also worth noting that all the sci fi movies were cheesy in 1970. BTW, Bette Davis wasn't doing much better starring in Bunny O'Hare or Tallulah Bankhead in Die Die My Darling, or even Liz Taylor in her string on early 70's low budget flicks.
Do you understand there is no way to sound exactly like another person completely? Each person's voice is unique to them. I think her acting is amazing.
@@amr_12_ The camp is one layer to a very complicated onion. She's glamorous, she's terrifying, she's ridiculous, she's pathetic, she gives a face to uncontrolled mental illness.
I've come around to Jessica's performance no shes doesnt look or sound like joan but she captures her fragility and ambition. Such a talented complicated artist.
Well said
Yes, I agree.
That shot of her handing Trog the doll was perfect...absolutely identical to the scene from the film!
Jessica Lange was absolutely astonishing at playing Joan Crawford. Great actresses, really convincing.
I've GOT to see this entire series.
Jessica Lange: amazing
meh. she is awesome , thats for sure but does not act or sound or look like JC
Goddess!!!
Poor Joan ...
Actually ... the director of 'Trog' were a very good director and an even more brilliant cinematographer ...
Watch his work for director 'Jack Clayton' on 'The Innocents' (1961). And his work on three 'David Lynch' films : 'The Elephant Man' (1980), 'Dune' (1984) and 'The Straight Story' (1999). Also 'Cape Fear' (1991) for 'Martin Scorsese' ...
Jessica is one of our finest actors!
The one Hollywood legend i would have loved to meet.
Why did they treat this like a bad thing? She worked very late in her career. There's no shame in that. Good Lord.
Hollywood only cares about actresses back then while they were young. 40s & older was a death blow to careers for women.
Trog was a humiliation for Crawford. It was a grade-B (if that) movie and degrading for someone of her stature to star in. But she and Davis were linked by their burning desire to act regardless of how Hollywood viewed them: as old and washed-up because they were female and over 40. What is worse, it wasn't always like this. In the early days, say, the 1930s, there were several acclaimed actresses over 40 who were able to secure good roles. Remember 'Diner at 8?'
Exactly. She was brave.
None at all. Whatever she and Bette Davis did, they did 100%. They had true grit!
@@AJPrice-cg5ip yes, indeed.
This is her last film but not her last acting roll.
To this day TROG is one of my favorite movies. Let's be honest - got a murderous troglodyte on the loose? The first person I would call would be Joan.
Joan and her Mighty Wire Hangers would whip Trog into shape!
Yup
I feel sorry for her. JC deserves better. She's a legend. At least they make a small changing room for her rather than a rusty van.
Really? Ask Joan's children if she deserves better.
@@AnnaJo2000 if it wasn't for Joan where will they be?
@@dobazajr That's something you need to ask Joan's children.
@@AnnaJo2000 nonsense
HIGHLY METAPHORICAL AS SHE PUTS ON TROGS MASK...VERY SAD AS TO HOW SHE FELT..THE END..OLD, HAGGY AND SAD...i love her
This song is "The End" by The Doors.
Almost as painful to watch as “Trog” itself. Cannot, cannot, can NOT get through that entire film.
I liked the film.
Oyyyyyy!
I like science fiction and thought Trog was good.
At Joan's death she had weeks earlier turned age 69. During filming of "Trog" (1970) she was 62.
The earliest date of birth was 1904, depending on your source. Women, more so than men, would shave off as many as 5 yrs. to keep getting employed. A common practice in Hollywood since the advent of motion pictures. Not many did this, but a certain number had.
The exact date of her birth is unrecorded. The majority view is that she was born in 1904 or 1905. In San Antonio. Her burial marker says 1908.
I miss you Joan ❤
I love you Joan... ❤️❤️❤️
Joan was a fine lady, and while this portrayal was more humanizing than that awful book, it did not do her justice. When will this icon's reputation finally be redeemed?
Not sure Hollywood want to redeem her..its just more interesting to bash her..
Umm this is an embellished TV show
Bitch please did you even finish the show.
She was an amazing actress, unfortunately she wasn't an amazing mother
I loved Trog. The movie was really out there.
I hope I can stream this on Amazon.
I eat everything she tells us to avoid here. In abundance. And I hate blood rare red meat. Ha.
Epic direction
I hope that wasn't true I hope the real Joan Crawford didn't do that or go through that
Some people don’t realize that an actor’s portrayal of a past or DEAD actor is not meant meant to be karaoke or mimicry. Yeah, there should be some reasonable resemblance-would anyone accept Chrissy Metz as Scarlet O’Hara?-yeah, NO. But Lange and Sarandon, in this production, were tasked with the job of ~portraying~ … not with imitating or aping (Trog notwithstanding). They both did a great job. I think the “feud” was likely overstated and that Bette Davis and Crawford just went in and did their jobs and went home. But that wouldn’t make for “drama beneath the drama,” would it?
Pure fiction. And BTW Trog was a work of genius next to Bette Davis' last film, where she played a witch and disappears halfway through the film because she walked off. Why didn't they cover that??
Perhaps because it happened after Joan's death?
Are you serious? Bette Davis was a sick 80 year old woman at that time
slh950 I feel the show followed more of the urban legends than actuality. It's stated Joan had fun making Trog, but yes she hated the final result. She did NOT have to change clothes in a car or van, she had a big trailer. I doubt she was this self contemplative on set about her past and state of career. Joan seemed like an in the moment, always moving forward woman. I doubt she was sitting crouched in a corner like a depressed person putting the Trog mask on! I'm sure she felt she was a big deal star on set and much stronger!
Bette was ill with cancer and couldn't complete the film. Whereas, in Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte, Joan had a temper fit and walked off the picture. Then pretended that she was ill. (The doctors couldn't find anything wrong with her). She wanted to boss Aldrich around, change the script, and build up her part. They fired her. Which was a good thing, because Olivia was a million times better than Joan in the part.
@@SymphonyBrahms at the time she said if she finished the film it would ruin her reputation for further work, didn't like the director, and knew it was mot even B-grade. I love Bette, too, she was awesome ... but neither of them were treated well as they got older, and look around now, it is still happening.
This seemed to spend a lot more time denigrating Joan than it did Bette
I think it's justified because Joan fell victim of obscurity and was the most vulnerable of the two.
@@briannavarrete49 I don't know that I would agree it was "justified". It is fair to say that she was the more troubled of the two, but they portrayed Joan as shrill and hysterical through most of the miniseries and it did seem a bit amplified. By all accounts, even from Bette Davis herself, Joan was known to be extremely professional, courteous and prepared for all of her scenes. She was known to write thank-you notes to all of the cast and crew on each film she made. This is the 2nd film to do a hatchet job on her.
I have to disagree, the miniseries humanized her behavior, which was demonized with Mommie Dearest. This gave her redemption.
There was a lot more to denigrate with Joan.
bette didn’t abuse children
Trog is a hidden gem
I agree mostly with the comments. Although one account (in regards to her changing on location), she was having to change costumes in a car. But I think some observations here are conveyed accurately: the budget being very low for this film [no trailer available to her due to that], along that she attempts to enhance---by making the best of it--the film, while the director makes it more dull.
And I could very well be wrong--merely an impression on my part, is all.
The director said she was a real trouper. Never complained about what she had to do. She was just glad to be working.
A.J. Price, I had read that. He was in fact, very respectful of her not only due to her own acting ability-he was careful never to criticize someone who knew far more about the moving industry than he did. I wished she had continued working for at least a few more years. But maybe she was worried about doing another movie which would [likely] bomb like this one did.
I love Joan Crawford!!!!!!
IRONY is most would KILL just to do this movie.
What a bomb that movie was. Joan must have been desperate for work if she signed up for that one. She should have retired after that dreadful piece of junk Strait-Jacket.
TROG is the best movie of all time
@La Serpenta Canta lets not get ahead of ourselves
Poor JC...Trog...from MGM top tier to this.
How humiliating for her
Plenty of top stars have done some really bad films late in their careers. Lawrence Olivier in "The Betsy" and Peter O'Toole in "Caligula" and Richard Burton in "Exorcist II" are just a few that come to mind.
Bela Lugosi in those three Ed Wood movies.
funny you should mention the Exorcist. Colleen Dewherst did the voice of the demon in "Exorcist III!" lol Yeah.. that was a little misstep for her.
"I mistrust people who don't like animals". Coming from the one who wore them and ate them all her life, now that's fucking rich!
She’s really talking about vegetarians and anti-fur people.
Trog is grotesque.
I seriously doubt Joan had this much anxiety...this is sooooo overdramatized
Totally agree. They portrayed here as being shrill and hysterical throughout most of the film. It was a hatchet job.
I agree. She wouldnt have allowed herself this self pity. It was not part of her makeup. Fragility? Yes.
No avocado for dieters? Geeze
Jessica Lange as Joan Hilarious 😂
Jessica Lange's voice was no where near Joan's. She also had too much Botox which made her eyes squench where Joan had big round eyes.
You're looking at the superficial. Jessica Lange actually knows how to act, a rare quality in Hollywood these days.
She worked in that business for decades, didn't she save any money from her hype decade? She could have retired with that money
:Like many actresses of her generation Joan spent everything she earned trying to live the lavish movie star lifestyle. Still, when she passed away she was worth 2 million which was worth much more then than it is now so I agree with you; I don't know she did this film.
@@wilfordfraser6347 Why does Macca still get up on stage at Glastonbury and risk ridicule when he obviously doesn't need the money?
@@normanby100 who is Macca??
@@wilfordfraser6347 Paul Mccartney.
Stupid trog
“ Reminds of you’re youth at mgm joan” 😑
Crawford did NOT behave like this on set EVER.
thank you
You were there?
Christopher Olson
It's sad to say....she was drinking quite a bit...and there was a problem with that coupled with not being able to remember her lines....so it has been written.
How do you know that?
Highly unlikely; suffice to say, Murphy was taking a lot of artistic control when he wrote this scene. It's also worth noting that all the sci fi movies were cheesy in 1970. BTW, Bette Davis wasn't doing much better starring in Bunny O'Hare or Tallulah Bankhead in Die Die My Darling, or even Liz Taylor in her string on early 70's low budget flicks.
I dont know what People are Raving about, I think her Joan Crawford was off
Listen to the Interviews, she Sounds nothing like her
I had that view too. But I changed my mind. Lange captured Jonas essence
dante1707 find yourself an impersonator.
Do you understand there is no way to sound exactly like another person completely? Each person's voice is unique to them. I think her acting is amazing.
I believe Jessica Lange captured Joan Crawford’s essence very well and did an excellent performance IMHO
Join was a monster period.
Joan I hate spell check.
Lies and propaganda.
And a sociopathic psycho. "NO WIRE HANGERS! EVER!"
Faye Dunaway played Joan Crawford much better
Because of the campiness of Faye Dunaway's performance?
Amar because I think Faye Dunaway looked more like her
Hell no
I feel gays get used to watching Mommie Dearest over and over at the gay bar looking for ass, they don’t know any better.
@@amr_12_ The camp is one layer to a very complicated onion. She's glamorous, she's terrifying, she's ridiculous, she's pathetic, she gives a face to uncontrolled mental illness.
Joan Crawford was upset making Trog because she thought she would play the monster it’s a role she had hands down Mommie Dearest.