How Do You Deal With New Warhammer 40,000 Players?
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- There's some serious rambling in this one, but we're talking how to deal with new players in Warhammer 40,000. What's your strategy?What do you make of my attitude/suggestions for dealing with new players? Let me know in the comments!
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Last night my friend and i played our first game. We didnt do it right but were learning more and more. We still had a blast doing it.
Fun should always come first. :)
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Those who Need to crush new Players just have ego Problems. Feeling strong and winning against an inexperienced Opponent stabilizes self-woth (hope my translator didn't mess this up)... In the Long run those People lower their chances of getting another Opponent (maybe even friend?). And the word spreads...the first steps on the path "that guy"...
Well said.
I agree my buddy has always had a habit of just completely wiping the floor with me when im trying to learn its frustrating. Funny thing is he teaches me but kills me while doing it
My sugestion for beginers:
-Have a tutorial fight with 2 basic armies that are fun(like Orks). So that you learn the basic rules.
-Pick and army that is esteticly pleasing to you, and concentrate at learning that 1 race.
-Have a regular sized(500-1000Pt) battle with someone who is newbie friendly(AKA won't bring theire Uber meta units)
-Graduly learn what other units may do and the advanced rules
-Have fun.
Im new
Im building a 500 point ork army as they make me think of tolkiens orks
My army will b 29ork boys 1 boys nob
5 ork nobz
1 painboy
1 deff dread
With their wargear the point value is 500 on the dot
So far I’ve got a basic space marine army and at the moment I’m confused on melee but besides that I can definitely say I like 40K and playing my brother (also brand new player) is useful if only because of the “wait which stat am I looking for right now?” Conversations.
I think you will find if the new player has a Xenos army, the best thing to do is crush his force into the dirt and dust with the steel tracks and leather boots of your glorious Leman Russ tank company, all the while praising the Emperor and chanting Gregorian hymns. They need to understand that collusion with Xenos will not be accepted in the Imperium of Man.
FOR THE EMPEROR
Death to humanity!
Tau for the win
@@meganvincent5381 HERETIC!
I feel reassured that I chose to build Space Marines when i got my "Know No Fear" starter set.
Play 500 points for the first game and take bad units but play your best. :-)
First time playing was a few months ago
Playing T'au, played this a woman playing orks. She helped me in the whole game killed about 29 boys first trun. Then her first trun I got charged then my gun line started to crumble I lasted to trun 5 then lost. I had a great time then played some guy who played a tournament list got stomped lost at trun 2, but hey killed abbadon with some fire warriors in close combat
Typical Failbaddon, getting his ass kicked by T'au, that is so damn funny
You just spouted gibberish at me with the guitar analogy. Which means it makes sense!
The only thing I understood was stainless steel frets, and I don't know what that would affect.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer 3 years ago! 🤣🤣🤣
I managed to get my younger brother into 40k back in 7th edition, T'au was his first army. By doing everything step-by-step, and explaining every special rule when it came up, and giving him some tactical advice with his units he got hooked into the game like I am. Now I got a brother to play against rathe pr than relying on myself.
"when you decided to take that Leman russ, and charge it into a unit of terminators, was that a good idea?"
As somebody who is working on their first armies and zero games played, I really enjoyed this video. I have nobody near me who plays, so I am making two armies in the hopes of getting some friends to play with me.
how did it turn out?
Did it work?
@@stebles219 LOL. thanks for the call back on this. Still haven't played a game and now an new edition is coming out, after having invested in the the last. not sure if I ever will. I am still greatly enjoying the building and painting side of the hobby, for the sake of art and for the love of the lore. I have gotten a close friend to pick up the hobby, when they were interested in expanding from canvas painting. That makes me happy.
How to deal with a new player that happens to be THAT guy?
Adolf Healer "Hanz, get the heavy flamer"
IKR, I was chilling at gamestore some time ago, painting and stuff. Next table some fellow was teaching friend how to play. Everything's cool, he's going to play almost by himself and he spouts "Ok, make me an army so I can win". Just like that, from the start little featherless rooster wants to conquer the world. If that was my store I'd happily tell him to get out and man up.
You should have him buy and build an army, then proceed to crush it with superior tactics and experience. Show him it's the player first, the army second. (in most cases that is) :D
Meh, I doubt. More like I'm sorry for this guy complexes.
@@jeru_jj1161 whats wrong with being conpetitive.... Im so confused like yeah fun first, but whats wrong with winning. He asked the right question in my opinion. How else will he learn what is good and what is bad in army composition. I think you guys for get this is a tabletob "WAR" game. Like I love the strategy aspect of this game and I dont have fun unless my buddy is trying to win as well. We both get better and better. Its fun for both because we are both still having fun. Not everyone likes going into a match for "fun". Whats fun about coming with a army with the idea of losing. That would be boring. Again nothing wrong with losing. Something wrong with purposly not caring and losing. Any of my wins were the person just did something for the luls and for fun even tho they know its a bad play is annoying. Id like to play the game. Not simulate a autowin with nothing fun really happening, and it being completly 1 way. Im just competative. I play the game for a challenge because I like war games. Nothing wrong with that and it doeant make you "That guy". Its easy to just label a competative person as thatand I think its dumb. Like there is a competative scene for a reason lol. Wish I was thw store owner. Id teach him well in sportsmanship and how to murder any army if he wanted. Nothing wrong with winning. JUST like how there is wrong with losing as long as both parties are having fun.
im just starting to play
Thank you bro. I'm a 6'2" black men with insecurities even though it looks like I shouldn't have them
"If you're not doing the single finger, do the double finger."
There's a joke here...
I'd just help them in the phases and point out some mistakes in the hope they take it constructively and I wouldn't use any FW units so there's no extra books or rules to buy
as someone who just recently started with the hobby (late august - early september) and played a few games against friends I actually hope people wont go easy on me. I want to learn from my mistakes and get better at the game. However I'm still a bit shy and hope I won't be embarrassed by my army which isn't as expertly painted as the units you see in batreps and in a gamesworkshop store.
Never be embarrassed by your paint. The fact that you put the time and effort into painting them is worthy of respect. I see a lot of grey plastic or black-primed models on the tables at the local shop, so I'm always excited to see a painted army. :)
Being bad at something is the first step to being better! Paint some more! You get better with experience.
I agree on the paint stuff-you do indeed often see a lot of models that have no paint at all, so even bad paint elevates them immensely above those because suddenly you can see (even if it's messy) what the painter was going for and it adds a lot of character. And yeah, practise really does make perfect, though I've also found good brushes help a lot too. I've also never heard anyone complain about bad paint, just complement really good painting.
Tabletop gaming is a social hobby you need to communicate to play properly and more importantly have more fun. I always commentate what I'm doing on my turns whether I'm playing against a complete new player or a seasoned store manager veteran
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First, I totally envy your ability to do your videos in single shot. I stumble over my words if a shot goes more than a couple minute.
Second, you have pretty much described the challenges of teaching a new player any tabletop game, from BattleTech to Star Fleet Battles to 40K to Magic: The Gathering. Kudos and I love your videos!
As a new player I'm watching this to see if I can't avoid causing and standard noob problems.
I play as well as I can but point out where my opponent could screw me or hurt me hard. I do sometimes find if the dice gods are favouring me I might not fire every weapon I could against a novice.
Really good message, makes me remember back to my first ever games I played with my stepdad when I was about 11, he took his time explaining everything that was going on and would explain to me why I might not want to do a particular stupid move. Even though I lost eventually the game was really fun and I couldn't wait to play again, he played with a love for the roleplaying aspect and the joy of the game which I think people forget about sometimes and only care about winning. The image of his expertly painted Dark Angels vs the worst painted Ultramarines you've ever seen from the macragge box still brings a smile to my face.
I can’t say it was for 40K but I’ve been in this mind set with my brother. I’d know exactly what he was doing 99% of the time without speaking or even seeing his side.
With that we were able to play very quickly and absolutely crush most of our opponents
I love coop games. Its incredible to come to a table and see 2 players not say a word but have perfect cohesion. ITS FUCKIN COOL. Ive met people like yhis only twice. Of those 2 times we were tabled. It was fuckin cool.
I have been out of the loop for 2 decades I returned just after 8th dropped, taking my 13yo son along for the ride.
We have been playing mostly 30PP skirmishes at my local GW in central London as I have been painting up my very new and very, well not so shiny Deathguard army, and my son, his Adeptus Mechanicus.
I have to say that both the staff, and the regular games there have nothing short of fantastic in their encouragement and support for the both of us.
It's been a lot of fun to come back to the hobby for me, and I have to say that the community has already been a major factor in that.
Anyway, love your channel, keep up the good work!
Good stuff...if you have an extra player around to help teach, it's even better. Did this last Saturday with guys from my gaming group for a new player. One of us played against him, teaching him what he was doing, and I helped the new player, with tactics and his army rules. Gave him options and risks without telling him what to do. He had an awesome time.
If you are worried about winning against a new player, you have already lost...and so has the rest of the 40k community.
Thanks Kirioth!
This is a nice video for someone new like me, helps me know what kind of questions to ask once I get a army. (IRON WITHIN)
You are quickly becoming my favourite TT- UA-camr alongside Uncle Atom. Love your content.
Watching this as someone who’s about to buy their first starter set and get their feet wet in the hobby, this also helps me think about how to compose myself in asking for help. Great vid!
I’m a relatively new player, I’ve never played a game against another player, but I have “played” against myself by splitting my army in half as evenly as possible then playing both sides trying to win so I could figure out how my units fought, and now I’m trying to bring a friend of mine into the hobby. Thanks for the video, didn’t really know how to introduce him all that much until this
I'm brand spanking new to the table top scene, I don't have any units yet, trying to decide which "start collecting" set to get (thinking nekrons). I, myself, am worried about starting and playing, since I don't have any friends who play or anyone I know that is interested in learning/playing with me. So I have to go out and find someone. My strat is to watch a few actual games, then introduce myself and ask if they can teach me to play with my army. I think ideally my small army would just be a side force to my teacher. I'll play along with him as he plays and my goal as a new player is just to do my best, ask questions, and my overall goal in my first game is not to make things worse for my teacher as they play, best would be I did well and helped them alot. I need to go in with the expectation that I'm not going in to win, I'm going in to learn.
It’s been two years, but how’d it go?
@@chumbucket3475 Oh things went well at first, started Necrons, just the "Start Collecting" box set. Played a few beginners games, actually went undefeated for a while. I ended up getting a large variety of units from different factions. Think Astra Militarum is my main at the moment. I took 3rd place in a local tournament with my Imperium "Soup" army ( Militarum, Mechanics and Knights). I continued to expand my collection (still rocking the grey army though lol [no paint]) but I haven't played in a longtime now, mainly due to Papa Nergles plague, but I also still haven't found a regular group to play with. I LOVE the lore and stories though.
Rolling then declaring what you're rolling for sound like a great trick for THAT GUY. Choosing what you want to fail or succeed at to shave more advantage from riskier moves.
I do not believe in clubbing the baby seals. So, what I do it try to play a softer lighter Army (not my tournament list). As I am play I break down what dice I rolling and why "I am attacking with this tactical squad here is attacking your Guarders there, ( I measure it out) they have rapid fire so 2 attacks each at a range of 12", they have 5 models so 10 dice, with a Ballistic skill of 3+ so I looking for 3. I leave the dice on the table I slow it down separate the 2 or less, then roll wounds this weapon has a strength of 4 verse your toughness 4 so looking for 4+." I have the book on hand and show them the rules. Next I try to make it fun for them I cheer them on as they have good roll and do not cheer when they have good rolls. In addition, I film it and will review it with them after that if they like. I suggest tactic and stratagem afterwards. Next, I suggest models that with add to their ability to play (I also let them try new stuff with bases only).
Lastly I have extra army on hand if they want to just try it out before even buy an army ( I have Ultramarine, Thousand Sons, Grey Knights, and my daughter has and Eldar Army)So a lot of options for them to try.
As someone who's about to attempt to get into 40k. You're cool
more should probaly do that,becouse that is a great approach to giving players a good first experience even people who already play can come over and try out an army,see if they want to build their own or not
I want my first game to be with u
This is why Warhammer stores have set-up starter kits so those running the shop can help show newbies just what the games are like, telling them what each move does and even drop hints on what moves they can make; I still remember playing the Battle of Macragge at my local store and the manager running it made sure to drop hints on the options I could go for, and I was grinning at seeing my Tyranid side beating the Ultramarines, that's what made me pick up a box of Gaunts (when Hormagaunts and Termagants came in the same box) and Genestealers that day.
Always make sure you explain to newbies in brief but fair language what the units can do, what terrain grants what bonuses or penalties and if they have their own army already, try and balance your side out so they have a fighting chance; it's more satisying to lose a game you fought tooth and nail for against a foe of equal strength, as oposed to just being unable to do anything while your opponent simply camped the whole game or overran you with huge tanky units in the first two turns.
Thank you for another great point, when you play a new play this is a great opportunity to increase the gaming community, about 15 year ago there was a few young guy that was just starting out, and i show them a few of the basics, and now they are some of the top player in are area, and now i have a hard time beating them my self, and every time i see them they always thank me for help them out, and they boast when they win, and i think is cool to see them on the top and knowing that i help them out.
As a new player, I think the biggest thing (for me) was the owners of my local game store. They helped me with everything, from helping me save some money on models and paints, giving me lots of list building tips, and even helping me find my way out of the labyrinth of a mall the store is located in. I am currently 0-2 but both games I learned a lot from and afterwards my opponents sat down with me to go over some of my mistakes and both of them really encouraged me. They also pointed out both of the “that guys” at the store so I know not to feel bad when they crush me at the tournament that they encouraged me to go to this weekend (🤞)
i just started playing for the first time i dont have many units just 1 tactical squad of blood angels and commander dante i definitely feel blessed having one of my co workers (whos been playing since he was a early teen) show me how to play 1 step at a time gave me alot more hope to keep the hobby up
As a new player that is still painting my army, what you described is exactly the first-game experience I would prefer to have: an informative, yet competitive contest. Thank you for this video!
I enjoyed the video, and it reminded me of when I first started doing WH40K. I was in 7th grade, and there was a Warhammer club in the school. I had no army, no experience, not even any of the books. But I was interested. The guys there had several armies, and most brought two of them to games usually so that they could help new players. The kid I got had a Space Marine army and a Necron army. he was still working out the kinks in his necron army, so wanted to use it himself, but let me use his 2000 point SM army. In the time it took him to explain the basics of what each unit (not each individual marine) and how they worked in the ruleset for army comp, he helped me set up, and told me flat out "I can't promise you will win. But tell me what you want to do as it comes up. Not your full strategy, just your current movement and action plan, and I will help you do it, and explain everything you need to know to perform it." I lost that match, and it took a lot longer than if he had played with some of the guys who'd been there longer. But he didn't make me feel unwelcome, or even stupid. Just inexperienced and with a lot to learn.
Mates introduced me like this, it allowed me to ask questions. But also to ask what would happen if..
Helps to get comprehension as opposed to just get through a game
Thanks for this...I'm on the outside looking in and glad to see this
Reminds me of teaching some friends and room mates how to play Battletech. That game has some absurd number crunching that is very intimidating to new players. The thing that helped me the most was telling them "The game remembers how to do that for you. All you have to remember is which chart to use." During the first round I would go through every calculation with them, starting at the top of the needed chart and working down. They usually had the number crunching down by the end of the first round.
This video was great I'm also pretty new to 40k I just started a couple months ago and I was lucky to have a group of friends who took the time to stop and explain shit to me whilst also not going easy on me (and yes I got stomped... alot) and because of this experience it helped not only learn the game but improve as well
Ill often bring my tournament level army to my local GW and see if anyone turns up to play some games against to practice on a decent level. Sometimes a new player will then show up wanting to play a game and all i have with me is my full on face smash army, leaving me to either have the new player stand there and not play a game or playing a very much uphill battle. Its not always people thinking "oh ill just smash this new guy!".
Ive started to just say "lets play a thousand points then!" and proceed to only put 700 points on the table myself. Evens the odds quite a bit and i wont have to pull punches.
See I had a game with someone like you before. I had a blast because of how he dismantled my army. Was cool and made me a better player for it. People need to understand this is still just a game. Losing and winning go hand in hand. You win even if you like your opponent army. Ie in my situation a yhousand sons army crushed me. I was tabled by turn 3. Had a blast still because I love the thousand sons.
I’m a new player myself and this was really interesting to watch
Nice video there chap ya not the only one getting things mixed up I got the fly and airborne rule mix up the other day lol 😂
When I played against someone for their first game, I pulled out the units i don't use a whole lot and tried to make a fun list to play, instead of a unit that smashes the mathhammer. It was a really fun game, helping him with his strategies while I explain mine is quite enjoyable to me. I didn't play to win so much as I played to show as many different things as i could. Just so happens it's a game we still like to talk about a few months down the line, and I think it was a great way to for him to start.
The guy who gave me my first game yesterday had enough Space Marine Salamanders to make two mirror armies (With some light "This is this for this game"), he gave me a rundown on what everything does and how to go about everything and let me make the decisions for myself. I lost, but it wasn't too bad and I had a lot of fun.
The bit about dice rolling is something I’ve tried to do when showing people Dreadball, every roll I list out everything modifying the roll.
This is a bit of a niche reference but I always play games (including in tournaments, which might explain my win/loss ratio XD) of 40k in a way influenced by Tak (from the Name of the Wind Series by Patrick Rothfuss), you aim to win, yes, but more importantly you aim to play a beautiful game, and be the best player you can be. Don't go for the easy win in situations, go for the cinematic/skillful, go for the play and counterplay.
All the while being conscious of your opponent, explain situations, help if they ask, allow them to take their psychic phase if they missed it. It is really lovely to see people like Kiri having a similar sense of play, at least with those newer to the hobby!
About a minute in my first thought was, you have a massive SM army and he has a small Eldar. So set up a DnD style campaign with you as the DM, use the mechanics and introduce it like a tutorial, think the all guardsman party. Get some friends together with small armies and turn it into a session.
I'm with you on never remembering which way round the Captain and Lieutenant are, though strangley the Ancients final shot on dying aura is easy to remember.
I don't recognize any of those words but I know what they mean which baffles me since I barely mess with guitars.
(might be cause of Elder Knowledge)
Also tldr of all Warhammer40k for new people.
Game: Nice good fun.
Lore: Fuck that shit I'm out!
I recently played a friend who just started. Fortunately they read the thousand sons books I lent them and also now want to use thousand sons. They didn't have many but were very informed on how it worked. I still had to be careful and think I agree with your video.
I won, but it was close and they melted almost all mine.
This vid actually helped get my friend into 40k he’s got a full 2000 point army of blood angels now and he loves it
I remember when I was fairly new, had only just built up to my first 1500 pts army, and while comfortable with things like weapon statistics and remembering the toughness of certain units (such as the Plasma Rifles of my Crisis Suits being very good at melting Space Marines) I was still getting used to some of the basics, like, positioning and stuff; an example of that being a unit of Devastators with Plasma Cannons deleting my Crisis Suits because of the blast template, lol - I quickly learned to spread my units out better...
it took me a while to realise that volume of fire is more effective against terminators than trying to beat their armour save - I had more success getting 12 Fire Warriors in Rapid Fire distance (Devilfish cheese) than I did with Plasma Rifles from Crisis Suits.
I remember my first game against this guy using Dark Angels (and their plasma shenanigans) and he didn't patronise me at any point, nor did he hold back or take advantage of my lack of experience or whatever, he just said what he was doing, pointed out mistakes (sometimes after the benefited him... lol) and if I asked about anything he showed me in the codex or the rules or whatever - I experienced good gaming etiquette very early on.
Now, 12 years later, I help newer players at my local store.
There is a sort of unwritten rule in my local store (I'm assuming something similar occurs all over) where if someone is being a colossal douche-nozzle, such as bringing a competitive list or cheesing some rules against a newbie, we're breaking out the absolute filth of competitive nonsense - for me, that usually involves 3 Riptides, or some such other Tau cuntery; it essentially says 'pick on someone your on size'; I have a suit fetish... O'Shovah is bae...
As for how I personally like to play against new players, I lean towards matching what they have; if they have 3 troops options I'll have 3, if they have no elites, I won't use any, and so on - I try to make as balanced as possible and then gradually mix things up depending on how experienced they are.
In regards to people being reluctant about saying what they're going to do, the outcome is mostly based on dice rolls for fuck sake, lol - the fuck are they expecting will happen..?
I like your taste in guitars! I'd recommend trying a guitar with a P90 in the neck position. I'm more of a bassist, but I did love the tone of a Les Paul with P90s I tried out. Personally, I get on better with the Fender scale length and string spacing, and I quite like bolt on necks. So, my plan is to reroute my Tele for a stacked P90 in the neck, and some kind of overwound humbucker in the bridge.
is it just me or does anyone else watch kirioth videos to go to bed? Not because his videos are boring (they aren't) but because his voice is ultra soothing to my ears.
I always found the best way to deal with newbies, especially young newbies was to allow them to join in an apocalypse game which used to be played at our local store at the end of the month.
We ( the boring old veterans) would not only keep an eye on them, help them with the rules, answer any queries they had and generally make sure that they went back to their parents having taken part in a big battle and most importantly had fun.
The store manager and staff always kept an eye on the game although my friends and l were all C.R.B checked and as one of my friends was a policeman and one was a school teacher and most of the newbies were his pupils there was never any problems.
Could you imagine that today,??
I'm really new, but more experienced than my friend who I recently introduced to the game, and I think I did ok introducing him. We made a ton of mistakes, and fudged a ton of things, but we had a great time and we were legit better by the end of the game. Now he's looking into getting a daemon army of nurgle. Can't wait to play more with him :D
For a new player, I like to just have fun messing around. I once played a new player and brought a small all-goblin army (no orks, no monsters) for WHFB. I also fielded a small all Eldar guardian army (Ulthwe of course) with no aspects, no wraiths and not even bikes. I find that this levels the field a bit and it gives me a chance to just have fun with an interesting challenge.
For a totally brand new player, whenever I'm playing a game at the local store and see a new player looking over my shoulder, I ask if they want to take command of a squad that seems cool to them. I give them the general battle plan and what that squads needs to do. I don't go too much into explaining the rules, mostly just telling them what number they need to roll. It's all about getting into the action (measuring, moving figs, rolling dice and removing casualties. I feel that this gives them an immediate hands on experience rather than a lengthy tutorial. After the game I go over the general rules and answer in depth questions.
Also, make it fun for the new guy! Be narrative! That's what made it really fun for my first game.
I'm a new player and I learned all the jargon and info from watching batreps and such and learning lore
Same
In my case, when I played my first game, my friend played against me without any mercy and gave me minimal direction (besides rule clarifications). The reason is because we already did real-time play of each phases beforehand and he made sure I understood the rules for the most part before I played my first real game. I greatly appreciated, even though it was hard, but it inspired me to learn from my mistakes and become a better player.
I have very recently been in this situation. Luckily I've had a lot of experience with introducing people to a new game.
The new player explained they had been collecting Guard and had read up and watched videos about them. However they didn't disclose what was in their collection.
I decided to go with a classic match up of Guard Vs CSM and I went with the Shadowspear set plus some extra bits to make 1000 points.
When it came to the game, I clearly explained every step, every intent and what the results meant. I also explained some basic tactics and allowed for mistakes or re-thinks etc. The game flowed really well and the new player said he enjoyed the experience.
Just wanna say I got into the hobby a few months ago and the first game I played was with a buddy of mine, at the time my entire army was the space marine half of DI and I was running them as smurfs ( didn’t take me long to toss that silly idea aside my space marine boyos are now proud members of the first legion!) but my buddy decides to run some of his custodes , like two groups of wardens and I think a guy on jet bike, he creamed me in a turn but it was a good time. I personally really enjoy playing against him since he’s a more experienced player it pushes me to learn my army and my rules and to think about my turns more. Still have yet to take a game off him but our last match was so close we had to go down to kill points to decide the winner and he just barley had me beat.
talking about the eldar vs space marine example, you could try new unit combinations. not to the point of taking useless units, but maybe there is a different (probably less effective) army to take.
I agree that, when facing a complete newbee, explaining WHY you are doing something is a good thing. He/she needs to understand WHY more than HOW because how to do something is usually easy to get.
I actually got all of the guitar references! Now to understand what Feel No Pain means...
So I am a new player, I just got my first few models, which I am still painting/assembling (Tzeentch). But I have played a few times before. A few friends of mine allowed me to play battles from 1-2.5 K points with their armies.
I generally felt welcome and I only won once out of 5 games, but after I did my research on which army I want to start with I realized that they did play optimally, but they fielded suboptimally. Way to many points for Terminator armor and they wanted me to see some cool stuff instead of the standard meta. I think that helped to get me into the game.
The worst experience I had though was at the 1K Point battle where the other player used Ultramarines with Guiliman and I had Eldar. Guiliman in 1000 points is way to broken to be enjoyable to fight against and he just ran me over in the first turns.
So here is what I would advice, if you are playing a new player in a low point battle: DON'T FIELD GUILIMAN. Oh and also don't let him field guiliman.
i think a good way for the first game is to play both sides. you get them over with u during ur turn and explain to them everything ur doing, why ur doing it, what ur thought process is. Then for their turn u come over to their side with them and talk with them about what theyre gonna do, tell them what u would do, why ud do it. So ur both playing both sides, the difference is they get the final say on what their army is gonna do and u get final say on what urs are doing. that way they start to get a proper overview of how the game is working the way a guy whos been playing for a long time has.
Love this vid! 💗
Captain's Hits, Lieutenant's Wound's. To be fair, I started with primaris marines in 8th, so I get confused when I use non-primaris. I found that people didn't go particularly easy on me when I started but others would point out good moves or things I hadn't thought of, and I think this was the best way-I lose a lot, but I keep getting better and can occasionally get a win now so something's clearly starting to stick.
I've gotten into the game aspect of 40K a couple months ago after playing Gorkamorka with my friends who played or are still playing 40K. One of my friend's has been playing a game with me at least once a week since I started showing me the different mechanics of the game and what each army can do, their strengths, weaknesses etc. I've only won one game so far, most of them have been close games and other's my friend absolutely dominated me and I still want to play after getting smashed by his Tyranid horde because it was fun.
When I first started, I only had a necron starter set, I went against my friend who used his dark eldar, I simply told him "don't go easy, just teach me the rules as we go" I understand that this won't work for most people, but it worked for me, I still haven't won against him yet😅 but I have been given advice on how to improve my army.
I'll admitI'm only watching this video because my brother wants to start up after Christmas, and want to know the best way to help him😅
I'm someone who *LOVEs* the fluff read many of the novels but never played tabletop. So I recently got into it. I got it easy. I was in a GW shop and started with a full Custodes squad. The veteran player deployed a Black Templar force same points including a Dreadnought and heavy weapons. He was very nice and explained everything during the game. But I also already knew things from just going to the GW shop and watching ppl play & really I'd advise new ppl do the same because it makes everything so much easier. I was ofc completly inexperienced but still won, simply because it's the mothereffin Custodes lool and I won mainly because the guy properly explained everything to me without hiding anything, like if I made an error including the damage output from my side, he corrected it eventhough he'd be losing. I on my part told him not to hold back and go all out because I was just here to learn not to win. So it was beneficial for both sides. Both of us enjoyed it because it was simply an entertaining and funny game. It made *FUN* which is the most important part here. The funny part was when one of my Custodes speared the almost dead Dreadnaught ( I refused shooting it because obv Custodes, honor glory 1o1, h2h2 etc ... ) who couldn't repell/counter him but managed to explode in the guys face taking him with him and wounding a bunch of others in the troop - laughed out asses off.
Good stuff!
When I used to introduce mates to 40k I would let them pick the army and minis that i would use, say they had a 500pt army, i would give them a sheet basically with values next to it and let them pick what I would use for that match, when they got more comfortable playing their army I would progressively make my army more and more competitive. Most people that I taught liked this way of doing things as it was not just me curb stomping them with an army designed to counter them and it was more me being handicapped so it was not massively one sided.
A good way to make a list for playing against a new player is to build your lists together so you both have lists of roughly equal power, and then during the game, remind them when they could do something better during the game, when they forget about an objective or when there's an easy chance to get one that they missed.
You teach them. Matt from Miniwargaming is fantastic at this. He knows what he's doing and will tell whoever he's playing what he will do and what he thinks the best counter is. This is what a new player needs.
I actually don't play 40k tabletop but i got into it through Dawn of War and the books and general lore, which was originally fed to me by my friend who got into it the same way. The tabletop is something that's rather expensive and something i can't really afford at the time but is something that I've been interested in, with battle reports being freely available on youtube as i gawk starry eyed at everone's super amazingly well painted models.
I LOVE 40k and its something that i honestly wish i had in my life earlier. I think that the biggest barrier to 40k is that it takes both a lot of time in collecting and painting your army, time in getting the money needed to buy your army, and, well the money.
Honestly if i knew 40k existed when i was younger it would have made me want to make more money.
Also as a newbie strategy gamer i've learned you have to take your defeats in with your wins, so it seems strange that somebody would collect a whole army of awesome dudes and instant rage quit the hobby because they lost to a hard counter, but it's somewhat understandable at the same time.
It is pricey but there are ways...
as and when buy bits of an army and slowly build it up, check ebay as people sometimes buy a box but sell parts or even sell there whole army to fund there new one...
sorry if you know this already but its how i am doing mine and its going well so far.
i remember one of my first games of 40k, the guy i faced had a buffet table of Eldar flavoured cheese on the other side of the table to face my fluffy marine army, not only was he fully cheesing out but he was roughly 100pts over the limit ( we took photos of the teams as i wanted to make a battle report and i worked it out later ) and tabled me by the end of the third turn... so my army sat on the table for months as i basically quit the hobby and considered selling at one point...
On behalf of a new player, about to play his first game, Thank you :)
I have discovered that if you do a teaching game with the idea that your opponent's/students interest are paramount to your own in this encounter, than whomever wins is arbitrary. I have also discovered that requesting switching army lists for the teaching game does wonders. It is a situation where they can see how there army list works from on offensive standpoint, without having to figure it out themselves in the moment.
That leman russ comment had a real life connotation, as i once charged a leman russ into a pretty much entirely melee focused army as a kind of last stand, along with charging like 2 standard cadians along with them. Needless to say they survived about as long as any guardsman does...
Somebody's first game of anything should basically be a coaching session help them as much as possible
For me it's been habit for so long to say what moves I'm making, the stat numbers and everything as well. I did this way before I got into 40k and just while playing trading card games. It makes it clear what I'm doing and if I make a mistake my opponent can correct me as well. It doesn't slow it down for me as I'm used to doing it.
Never played Warhammer but have played many others and we always had to declare of moves, partially to prevent people being "that guy who only said what he was doing after seeing a dice roll" and partially because you could say to a new player you can do that (or prevent them from making a stupid mistake.)
As for how to play against a new player, with an inferior force so it is still a challenge for you.
You don't have to play dumb against a beginner but you do have to give them a chance (and the experienced player is entitled to some practice)
You certainly were talking for 20 minutes. It was most pleasant. Thanks!
One thing that I actually really like about new players is that they sometimes (due to lack of preconceived notions) do some surprisingly good things or take a rule or a unit that you have either written off or expect to do one thing, and they do something else... it doesn't always work.. but sometimes you are like "hey, never thought about doing that"... "nice!"... or maybe they just don't play like you expect and you have to react differently and adapt your play (vs say your regular opponent who you can predict their movements ahead of time)...
This is a very very nice video i really liked it a lot and i even got a few times of self reflection ""THANKS'' for the self reflection! greetings Mr cool!
I'm new to 40k and I spent about 10k for a few faction armies. I want to get crushed, beaten down, and learn the game. I am not looking to be babied. We are adults, we learn through experience. :) CRUSH MY SOUL so I can grow and become stronger.
Ive lost almost every game ive played since I got into 40k tabletop at the beginning of 8th edition. Its not about winning every time to me, its about imagining how the battle is playing out in my mind and having fun with the content of the battle, even if I lose. The main advice I'd give to more experienced players is to start simple and move up. Try running a basic patrol detachment againt a newbie with the same amount of points. Make it so that the newbie understands what your army is doing so they can more easily get a feel for the game. Thats what helped me out alot.
I'm a new player Kirioth. By that I mean I do have models but i've never played a single game yet.
You know what I want to see in my first games? Small Warband for the first game to understand what is happening and build it up.
I remember playing with a new guy. Told him I came to do a competitive list against a guy who couldn't make it due to work, so my army would systematically tear his apart simply because he didn't have the experience nor the counter measures to deal with my army effectively. Game took like 6 or 7 hours, with an hour for each turn as I took my time to explain to him battle theory and basic play strategy. He came back the next day and I didn't get to play a game that day, because he was questioning me so much on more advance game theory as he basically reassembled his army into something that was a pretty solid "Generic" combat list.
I've never played 40K but in similar games I find myself saying most of these things no matter who I'm playing, just to help myself keep track of everything.
Bit of trivia, but it might help someone, though it may only apply to the U.S.
I learned working in the hospitality industry that pointing with a single finger can be seen as hostile. It is recommended that one points with an open hand.
Then again, in a small area such as a gaming table, that may be interpreted as “knife handing”. For those who didn’t grow up around their Vietnam-era, pissed off marine grandpa, this can be about the most terrifying thing a person can do to you.
When I play my newer friends I’ll make a full list at the same points but I’ll go bolter spam if they have heavy units and I always do combat squads so I get more cool minis but less heavy etc, essentially I’ll be equal but ineffective
This is a problem with education and instruction books as well, lol
I've gone through pages of instruction books where I've repeatedly had to look up the words used and do multiple small research projects on the side line just to figure out what a statement on the page said!
Knowing how to impart knowledge to the uninitiated is a skill in and of itself.
You play normally but you explain everything you do thoroughly, and you give all the advice you can to the new player on their turns, even if it's bad for you. Be clear and absolutely do not take advantage of a noob's ignorance in order to win, because this is the best way to turn them off definitely. Do everything to give them taste to the game and a good time.
So, I was blessed enough starting the hobby to play against this guy in my local game store, JP. He was probably the best player in the store, and I would play him all the time. He would take, Idk, good lists? I honestly didn't know starting out obviously and I don't necessarily remember. But I must have lossed against him, 10-20 times in a row? Never really beat him. But it was great learning experiences, because I knew I was playing the best. He would throw me some tips in game, but he would usually let me make a mistake and pay for it, then after the game, he would let me know on the things I screwed up on. We would talk for a couple hours sometimes after games. I think it made me much better at the game.
good luck with the guitar. Based on that list, get a custom mate :p