Why I Think Lorgar Is The Best Primarch
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Taking it easy today with a nice simple video about my favourite heretic, Lorgar. Yesterday was rough, so thank you for all the support you showed.
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Finally some Lorgar love! He is one of my top Primarchs in terms of being interesting. Plus he was the only one regular humans could ever hope to relate to or be understood by
That and pre-heresy Horus
yore forgetting horus
Finally, someone who also loves Lorgar...
Best of health to you man, you’re a great guy!
These are really cool reasons to have a favourite primarch, not just 'he was the best because he did this cool stuff'
I'm a big fan of Perturabo because he strove his entire life to make his father proud by doing the tasks no other primarch would, and got no love of glory from it. Has a really in depth inner struggle that essentially breaks him.
#PerturaboDidAllTheHardWork
#AllHeNeededWasAPatOnTheBack
Agreed. Perturabo is another primarch that is really fascinating on a character level. Once again, if the emperor hadn't been such a complete asshole to the guy and just given him some respect he could have stayed loyal. He only went with the heresy because he felt the only guy he could trust was Horus (pro tip - you can't trust Horus).
Aidan Howell was
TRUTH!!! :)He went to Horus because he finally F-ed up so bad that he felt he couldn't be redeemed. Read his Primarch book.
Peter Quint technically, you could definitely trust Horus, until Erebus had a cultist stab him with a posessed dagger and used that conventionally incurable wound to offer an occult sollution to Horus's desperate inner council and took the warmaster on a "fun house" trip with a chaos daemon...
I'm a Dorn fan but I definitely see your point. Poor Pert.
Kirioth we are here for ya. Dont listen to hate filled buttheads like that.
I quite like Mortarion's story, he's a Primarch in a place that he really doesn't want to be.
He never chose to have the Death Guard fall under Nurgle's control, that was all Typhus, and now Typhus has the rotten balls to claim himself superior to his own Primarch. In fact, Morty hates the decay and general warp corruption of his legion. He actively rebels against Nurgle by having his chambers and weapons pristine and sharp, unlike the rest if his legion who are riddled with decay from rusty helmet to pus-filled boot.
Mortarion hates what he is and hates who he serves, but try as he might to deny it, the taint of the Plague Father has permeated through him completely.
As for the Horus Heresy, he had valid reasons for hating psykers and warpcraft, and most of all, he had valid reasons for hating the Emperor for his hypocrisy in the Council of Nikea, especially after being used as a pawn to advocate the restriction of psykers despite the Emperor being one himself.
SchwarzeTrauer Damn I didn't know much about Morty but thats kind of sick.
Is that pun intended?
Yeah but he always smells like poo
You know that 'pristine and clean' guy Mortarion' went all Chaos Spellcaster and grew himself actual gigantic multicoloured fly wings?
In fact, Morty hates the decay and general warp corruption of his legion. He actively rebels against Nurgle by having his chambers and weapons pristine and sharp, unlike the rest if his legion who are riddled with decay from rusty helmet to pus-filled boot.
what book is this in mate? i'd love to give it a read
I find the Alpha Legion, Dark Angels, Word Bearers to be the most interesting legions/chapters.
Well then that is a thought crime return to your pain glove.
Like some mystery, eh?
I agree with DA only because of Luther... The Lion is bad in some many ways...
I'm late, but I hope you get a chance to read this.
40K is satire, and absurd with it's level of camp and gravitas - but I truly do like some the characters.
Lorgar is good for all the things you mention, and I admire his relationship with Angron. Those two seemed to have a connection of a sort. Angron is a tragic character, and his famous quote about Horus and Emperor, and how he died on the ridge of his homeworld all those years ago - he confided that to Lorgar. I think because he trusted him, and trusted that if anyone would chronicle that bit of information, it would be him. I believe they had a good relationship, and they even fought together in Ultramar. In fact I believe the reason Lorgar chanted the incantation to transform Angron into a Daemon prince was to save him. He would have died otherwise.
Perturabo is another one that's tragic. He never wanted to be a soldier, he was a builder and architect first and foremost. He did his duty and did the jobs nobody else wanted to do. Self Righteous cunts like Russ and Johnson would never stoop to that level, they had better things to do. Perturabo was the one who built the amphitheater where the council of Nicea took place. It _shamed_ him knowing it was used for that. He didn't build it for that purpose. He wanted plays, musicals, and stories to be told there.
He was a tinkerer and perhaps a social outcast. When he was with Fulgrim and was being tempted by him, Perturabo simply stated that nobody would know what to tempt him with.... because nobody cared to ask. That's incredibly sad. There is no brotherhood in that. It's a big joke.
The Emperor's genes, his character, mannerisms, and traits were all passed down to the primarchs. Some of them inherited negative traits that caused them negative affect. Kurze being the foremost example. But he's hardly the only one. In the end, The Emperor takes sole responsibility for the Heresy. He should have seen it coming.
Well, dunno if you're still into the Horus heresy 3 years later but now it's retconned into Erda being responsible (yet not having consequences)
I would argue that Erebus and Kor Phaeron at least share the blame for the Heresy, but, well, details.
Incredibly well-put, all of it
40k hasn't been "satire" since the days of Rogue Trader
Good Guy Vulkan for the win.
You and me both. Can't wait until he gets announced so I can add him to my Salamanders Army. And hopefully they release an updated (plastic) version of Forgefather Vulkan He'Stan because he's got a cool aesthetic design to him.
VULKAN LIVES!
PURGE OUR ENEMIES WITH PROMETHEAN FIRE!!! *Grabs Combi-Flamer*
*Into the fires of battle, unto the anvil of war!*
Vulkan Lives!
Konrad Curze, his story is so different from his brothers and his inner conflicts are so interesting
Ave Dominus Nox
Mortarion for me, I find his struggle for power really interesting, having his revenge and closure stolen by the emperor to then fight for him, must have been soul crushing. And finally having to give his soul and legion to sorcery he didn’t understand (damn it typhon) makes him really interesting to me. Plus lord of death? Sign me up ...
There is also the whole deal of "resignation" going on with him. If that's not an epic foreshadowing prelude to the one who shall become Nurgle's angel, I don't know what is.
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Ive always considered lorgar and guilliman to be mirrors of each other.
Andrew Ostman explain
This sounds like heresy
as a heretic, even I find this heretical >.>
No, it's just hearsay ;)
Or does it...?
This sounds like heresy with Lorgar's nuts on your chin....
I don't see any heresy
My favorite is not the most interesting, in anybodies mind. Including my own. My favorite is Rogal Dorn. Straight-Laced, flagpole up the arse, Spartan Dorn.
I like him. Because even though he never really had the internal struggle that Lorgar or any of his other brothers had, and he was never and will never be the poster-boy like Girlyman... he's stubborn. Determined. And loyal.
I adore his simplicity, the purity of his purpose, and I love what he is. He is a military man, through and through. Girlyman is the perfect little statesman, all the other brothers have there big underlying stories, motives, and faults... but Dorn is the Sergeant out of all of them. That's all he is, that's all he needs to be... and he knows it, he perfects it.
never thought of him that way
And he’s better than perverterabo
Lorgar is one of my favourites and his legion is my choice for tabletop. However, given my own demons and issues.. Angron resonates the most. For the obvious reasons, but with significantly less brain surgery. Watching him fall, seeing what could've been one of the best warriors become a victim of himself.. Yeah, okay, I'll stop fanboying
kirioth you spelled and said sanguinius wrong
that made me lol
I have yet to read the Horus Heresy series but (from 2nd ed codex onwards) I found the World Eaters as a legion to have a beautiful story - their martial pride was perverted into something dark and their having lost their minds to fury spoke to me. However, I found Lorgar and the Word Bearers to be the most interesting of the legions because if only the Emperor had said to himself, "I've got 20 sons and 19 of them are just fine conquering the GALAXY in my name, Lorgar wants to build churches and humanity has always needed those no matter what the materialists say", well, then Lorgar would've stayed loyal - arguably the loyalest of them all. Lorgar's treatment by the Emperor represented to me the Emperor's biggest mistake, and he made a *bunch* of those!
The World Eaters would be my favorite Chaos Legion, but I don't like the whole mindless "blood for the blood god".
Churches = death of Emperor's dream. Emp could never agree to any kind of cult, especially the cult of himself.
The problem here is the shortcut into the Chaos Gods worship, if you already worship a god that doesnt listento you, why not worship a deity that do listen to you? Making this information "hard" to find they make it harder for the influence of Chaos to roll over humanity.
I think the Emperor treated Lorgar that way on purpose. He knew what would happen and actually planned on it happening so it would lead to the culling of the Primarchs post Great Crusade. Once the plan for making the Primarchs obsolete things just advanced a little more quickly than the Emperor or Malcador planned for.
Collin As a Khorne player I can say, you don't understand. That's the best part of it all
WORD BEARERS FOR LIFE! The Word Bearers are my guys! They don't get enough respect.
My WIP army is Word Bearers
Not only that, but you remember in First Heretic when Big E blasted Monarchia into molten glass? And Lorgar's reaction was to fall to his knees in the rubble and scream while smearing the ashes of his proudest achievement across his face? I fucking FELT that when I read it.
Ditto! If I ever get around to making a CSM army, it'll be word bearers for sure.
Brian Holman read the Word Bearers trilogy by Anothony Reynolds. It's post heresy. Probably around M40 or M41. Very good series though.
Elric Godslayer The Dark Apostle trilogy? It's so crazy
Can I get an AMEN brother!
Who can claim to have been as thorough with his campaigns and claim such loyalty from the population of their captured worlds? Who can claim to be as loved by his legionaries as Lorgar? Who can claim he fought as hard as Lorgar before Ullanor in the Emperor’s name? Who loved the Emperor the most before [REDACTED] as Lorgar? And who cared for his sons and captured planets populations as Lorgar?
#LorgarBestPrimarch
he was loved because he brought them a religion, fulgrim was massively loved, alpharius and omegon were heavily thorough, every legion loved there primarch, Lion, leman, khan, alpharius, dorn and fulgrim were massively loyal to the emperor, horus didnt even bother to try turning lion, many tried to turn lion and failed and even a warp being was amused by how utterly loyal he was to the emperor, fulgrim massively idolised him until a demon started fuckin with him, horus loved him till eribus and demons started fuckin with him, leman and vulkan loved him, leman, lion, guilliman, khan and especially corax loved there sons and vulkans main thing is his caring for the civilian population and sanguinius is perhaps the most beloved primarch by anyone ever, he's the arch angel of the imperium
Well...Magnus, Vulkan and Guilliman...
Papa Nurgle they were loyal and were some of the finest primarchs, but it was Lorgar who for a while was the most loyal and loved Big E most.
Word Bearers represent! I think to the contrary, ever since landing on Colchis, Lorgars innocence is a cover for his own understanding of chaos and the emperor. He is fundamentally good intentioned at heart (to begin with) gradually racing to the bottom to demonstrate his own rendition of universal truth. That could suggest that Lectitio Divinitatus was a ruse by chaos to tempt and damn the Emperor if he embraces divinity, or it is a legitimate boost to His powers through faith (hence spreading of the imperial cult by rogue traders for instance). After Monarchia there was room for the pantheon once more in Lorgars vision of humanity's apotheosis. I believe Lorgar as space pope was an intended role, but High Terra made him cease proselytizing to prevent Doom of the Eldar 2: Homo Sapiens Boogaloo before the golden throne was complete and Big E ready to fight/starve the gods directly.
You mispelled Magnus. 😎
You misspelled misspell :)
*#EverythingIsMagnusFault*
You dirty, traitorous, wolfin milksop
@skullpull 101 Yes, they didn't. And that's the problem.
Vulkan to be honest is one of my favorites due to his protective nature and overall attitude towards others. In fact his entire chapter's virtues, sans the pyromania, are why I like them most.
the pyromania makes them even better
The Adepta Sororitas agree ,pyromania does make things better.
Vulkan is kind of bro everyone needs. They got your back through thick and thin, and are always there to pick you up when things don’t go right,
It’s similar to that why I love the word bearers, they always took the time to make sure every world was left off well. They wanted the best for their people and lorgar and the rest were broken when their best achievement and the home of many of their citizens was burned by the one they had those people worship
Never liked a video that fast
As you could guess I really like Alpharius and his Alpha Legion
Storywise, Konrad is really, really good. He creates this world with literally no crime but questions his deeds to make it so
The True Alpharius Maybe, just maybe, Alpharius IS Lorgar.
The True Alpharius Konrad is SICK, I wish they would/ could bring him back with wings and psychic lighting. So flying Palpatine!
Konrad Curze is best because he was justice and punishment in the purest from
Emperor: ordered one of his sons to burn down a whole planet full of innocent people because they thought he was a god and ADMIRED HIM while at the same time make those other sons who built and inspired those people stand on their knees in humilation before him
Konrad Curze: destroyed a planet where people murder every 9 seconds, rape in every 10 and so on because the emperor didnt care about murderers and justice instead he cared about killing people that admired him in a diffirent way... also after Curze destroys a planet full of criminals he is the one being judged and punished for killing "innocent" people. this is why almost every loyalist marine is a hypocrite. Nostramo is a living or rather dead example of emperors light being a failure
#Magnusdidnothingwrong
Ja Nej #griffithdidnothingwrong
#lionwillforgiveluther
I agree but as a Space Wolf, I still havr to purge him.
But Ahriman is a bad, bad man
#Magnusdidnothingwrong
You're damn right he is. #BlameTheEmperorForBadParenting
Do i need to get my storm bolter heretic?
By all means go grab it you corpse loving loyalist.
You know what, getting the Fortess of Arrogance out just so i can teach you a lesson in the Emperor's might
He's a daemon prince, those fuckers have pretty weird parties.
he wasn't their dad. If these primarchs understood they are ALSO just tools just like a bolter or armor, in the same way the space marines were seen that way and clearly the thunderwarriors before them. The problem is that the emperor LET THEM think of him as a dad, instead of just explaining what he is, what his goals are, and if you "primarch x" do your job I won't murder your down the line. so more like #KnowYourPlace
Having depression, one thing we have in our favour; when we're down, we're way down, but when we're up, it's fantastic. Great vid, love the way you deliver your opinion.
As a religious person in a faithless age I love Lorgar and find his fall even more tragic then that of my other favorite primarch Magnus.
My favorite book from the Horus Heresy is the First Heretic for the very reasons you talk about. I found that his arguments for the Emperor being a God actually very logical, and the more that you delve down into it, the more you see that he really wasn't entirely misguided in his initial vision. If only he would have listened to Argel Tal more. Also love Guilleman for the same reason. He saw a vision where Space Marines could be more than just soldiers, and I think that if you really look at the Ultramarines post Calth, you see that hope and vision utterly shattered in them. Watching the dream of the future die in flame and corruption.
One of my favourite UA-cam channels. I always look forward to your videos Kiri, keep up the good work!
I agree with you on your points about Lorgar. To me he always seemed the most "people person" of them all, and that took him through a journey no other primarch could fully understand or appreciate, even Magnus.
But I think my favourite primarch is going to be Perturabo, because, as you said, he "resonates" well with me. He's an engineer, a visionary, who wanted to dedicate his life to providing humankind with marvellous technologies and cities, and thus improve quality of life in such a large empire, and bring happiness and better lives that way. But then, he was taken away from this and all his expertise put into war and military engineering. All his efforts, all his knowledge, would go to bring death and ruin to whoever the Emperor deemed an enemy, even if it was other humans. And on top of that, both him and his warriors were never acknowledged for their efforts and sacrifices in the blind and cruel battlefields where an unseen, random artillery shell would end your life before you even knew, just becoming another anonymous casualty, a number in a list, a statistic. Not just that, they were never acknowledged the moral sacrifice they were doing. And that, unsurprinsingly, resulted in a cold, irreversible hate that put them firmly into Horus' side.
As an engineer myself, who also wants to create technology for the betterment of mankind (in my case space engineering), I can really empathise with Perturabo on how could he feel once his fate was revealed to him. I doubt my current self could last long if my country was suddenly in war and I found myself forced to design weapons, combat vehicles and defenses, and I simply don't know where that would take me, but it would surely be a dark place eventually.
Edit: by this last paragraph I didn't mean I would become a heartless killer! I meant I would probably develop a strong depression, at the very least.
Perturabo is a tragic character, through and through.
What really his me was to learn that he built the amphitheater where the council of Nicea was held. And to learn it shamed him to unimaginable degree that such a thing was held there. He wanted it to have plays, musicals, operas, and all sorts of stories that the people could enjoy. Him being from a planet and culture drawn heavily from ancient Greece.
Then you really understand when he was with Fulgrim, and Fulgrim was trying to tempt him. Perturabo simply states that he can't be tempted, because nobody even knows what to tempt him with - nobody cared enough to ask.
If that doesn't hurt you, man. There's no brotherhood there. It's all an empty joke.
Necroledo well, as someone in a very similar position, helping your country design military technology that could protect and save your country and fellow countrymen's lives should be an honor (provided your country isn't ruled by a bloodthirsty tyrant). The Iron Warriors didn't hate the war tech aspect, they hated the type of nasty siege warfare and the lack of any acknowledgement for their sacrifices and triumphs. Pert wanted to also build beautiful things in addition to the war tech but was never allowed to as there was always a battle to be fought and that wore on him and made him more and more bitter
I totally understand your point of view, although personally, if I ended up designing military technology I would prefer to do it to protect humanity as a whole, rather than a single country (although of course this would mean having an external threat and uniting against it, which might or might not happen in the future). About the Iron Warriors and Perturabo, I'd say they would prefer not to ever build a single turret, but I guess that is open to interpretation.
Necroledo I'm an American so that heavily influences my view on the matter haha, but it becomes more clear if you read all the Iron Warriors books as well as the ones where they make cameos. I agree Pert wants to create beautiful centers of learning and art more than anything else, but if you read enough of the stories you start to get the sense he sees parts of warfare as intricate intellectual puzzles. He comments several times how there is beauty in efficiency and overcoming an enemies defenses through intellect
Good point! I can understand him on that too, as an engineer I find military tech interesting, as another "intellectual puzzle" as you put it. But I feel if I was forced to work on that instead of more peaceful tech, and then not being recognized for it, I would feel like Perturabo did. Although who knows, we're discussing a demi-god fictional characer anyway xD
As a person of faith Lorgar is my personal favorite for his unshakable quest for something to believe in. Especially in an Imperium that punishes the very thing he quests for.
Honestly I find him very inspiring. Relatable.
That's my boy. *Blesses you with the powers of the Immaterium.*
Alpharius gets points for his mysterious purpose and doing his own thing. I think my favourite story though is for Angron.... he got such a bum deal and I’m fascinated to think how he might of turned out with a better start in life.
Good intro as well, two wrongs don’t make a right.
Fulgrim is still da bomb to this very day!
I think Lion is one of the most interesting ones actually. He's like Mortarion/Perturabo on the outside but Angron/Night Haunter on the inside. An interesting mix.
Speak the truth, even if your voice trembles.
Kirioth, I have to say mate, I love your videos. I think you're a great guy, and please keep up the good work! I'm glad I found someone else who likes Lorgar for the same reasons i do. Lorgar is my favourite, for his humanity and faithful honesty. Of all the Primarchs, he struck me as being the one who I could relate to, sympathize with. Great video, man! Thank you!
I really enjoyed Perturabos personality, he's a craftsman, a tinkerer and even an artist with how amazing of a engineer he is..but it was squandered for the sake of defending trenches of already subjugated worlds. Glory wasnt his legions place in the Imperium and slowly he started to look at the glory drenched legions such as the Ultramarines and Blood Angels.
This actually changed my mind a little about Lorgar. I admit I've never really gotten to into the wordbearers like but after this I think I'll look into it. My favorite Primarch though will always be the Gorgon himself Ferrus Manus
You make a great argument for Lorgar and Arch made a great one for Conrad Curz, but the best Primarch has to be Horus Lupercal. He was first and foremost a diplomat who only used force when he felt it was his only real option. He was also great at playing to the strengths of his allies and using those strengths to get what he saw as the best possible outcome. His only real failing was a lack of self-confidence; he often felt that the Emperor would do a better job at most situations and judged himself as inferior when he failed to live up to that standard in his own eyes. When under the strain of running the Crusade, a really close brush with death, the revelations of his "perfect" father's flaws, some bad influences among those he trusted and his own feelings of inadequacy it is no wonder he snapped and lashed out.
Even Horus himself thought it was Sanguinious.
lotuswraith "snapped and lashed out" lol
Horus was a real noble guy, but he did loathe the idea presented by the chaos gods that he would be forgotten and Sanguinious would the one everyone loved for millennia. Horus was however better then the other primarchs in one way above all and that was making corpes out of his enemies.
TheDeceptiveMoss Horus was a politician and probably the only guy that could make the diffrent primarchs get alongü
Oh yeah, all primarchs could only call a few of the others friend. Except Horus, ALL other primarchs liked him. He was still the killiest of them though.
Its got to be Sanguinius, i think he was always the most well adjusted and grounded (despite the wings) of the primarchs while being one of the few who genuinely loved his sons
Plus, snapping a bloodthirsters back over your knee and throwing him off the walls of the imperial palace is just plain awesome
I think there’s something to appreciate from every primarch. My favorite arc will always be Konrad Curze. It’s strange to feel so sympathetic to a merciless killer.
Lorgar was damaged beyond repair by a cult. If he would have been found much younger, he would have kept his brothers in line with the imperial truth rather than leading them down the path to chaos.
Ferrus gets no love. But he's one of the best. He's a soldier through and through, you tell him to attack that planet and he'll do it without question. He's blunt and direct, but not as much as Angron. He strives for more, but not as much as Guilliman. He knows when to exercise tactics, and when to use pure brute force. Ferrus rocks.
True. But he tends to be ignored, as he was the first victim of betrayal among the primarchs, we don't have a lot of info on him. It's all mostly stuff from before the Heresy.
Billy Bones Indeed... the other thing about Ferrus is he does what needs to be done and never gave into excess in his conquests. I’d argue he is the ultimate warlord primarch, perfectly suited to the task of the Great Crusade and would probably have adapted well to life in the Imperium if the heresy had not happened. It is a rich irony / bitter tragedy that he was the first of his brothers to perish....
Billy Bones Ferrus may rock, but his head rolls. *Ba Dum Tiss*
STM Polaris We need more Highlander-Ferrus memes!
I adore the Iron hands and find their Primarch awesome.
But he's still the moron that costed the Imperium 3 Legions...
You’re a F’ing legend and I wait on your videos. Keep up them coming sir!
Fulgrim has always been my favorite. He's a completely irredeemable traitor but he went through some interesting struggles in his fall and I love it! He has a really amazing record fighting other primarchs yet he also got literary raped by his own men but in true slanesh fashion he likes it lol. His horus heresy book is so interesting! (Plus he literally kills a wraithlord by punching it then follows it up by killing an avatar of Khaine in single combat)
Doombird How the hell did that happen? Did he get pegged or something?
i think they treated him so bad, he has the most potential for redemtion and is one of those traitor primarchs that had kind of a stupid reason to fall, i hope they do some cool stuff with clonegrim, he has the potential to be top tier in many fields
I'm glad I stumbled upon your channel. I suffer from bipolar disorder and can completely relate to your situation, I have to admire the way you handled the situation with this guy. Much love brother, stay true.
Hey Kiri, I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your videos. I admire the fact that you are able to talk so openly about your mental health. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Now, favorite Primarch.
That would have to be Lion el'Jonson.
I just find him interesting and I really like his psyche and how he functions. To be honest I believe that Jonson suffers from a lot of anxiety and insecurity. There are like two sides to his personality. The wild beast (which he tries to hide) and the arrogant noble (which in my opinion is just a front, a mask he hides behind).
I believe he was afraid and concerned about what others thought of him because of his background and therefore he felt the need to cover it up. And he wouldn't have been wrong. Horus says something along the lines of: "He grew up in the forest, no better than a wild beast. Is that who you want leading you?"
And after his fight with Russ, when he knocks Russ out, I think it is only partly because Russ is laughing at him, I think it has more to do with the fact that Russ made Jonson drop the mask, he brought out the beast in Jonson and made Jonson feel like an animal.
I would also argue that this might be why Jonson frowns upon Russ and his Space wolf, while they openly embrace their savage and feral side, Jonson hides his.
I also think this could be why Jonson never tells anyone about the curse of the Wulfen after he finds out about it. Because in some ways he could understand it. Suddenly he could sympathize with Russ in a way. He knew what it felt like wanting to hide a side of yourself and thats why he keeps that secret for Russ.
Huh... this became a little longer than I intended. Sorry about that.
That's beautiful
Magnus and Lorgar sound the most noble of the traitor legions. I also think Cypher might have noble intentions as well.
YES! THIS! EVERY TIME! Finally someone who understands!
FOR THE DARK GODS!!
@KiriothTV
Had to pause the video @3:26 and say, you take the high road man and be proud man. I'm also fighting depression, so I feel your pain, but to see past that and consider your attackers point of view is very mature and wholesome. This is why you're honestly my favorite channel. Stay strong and carry on.
The imperial fists are not murdering the population of Terra... The salamanders are not murdering innocent people. its not just the ultra marines...
I love his book. He seems to be the only traitor Primarch that during the battle of Istvan VI stopped and looked around and thought "I didn't want this" while all the others seem very vindictive. Almost a reluctant villian.
I, personally, love Perturabo, pretty much for the same reason you like Lorgar: he looks human to me.
He's not, in fact he might be one of the less human of the primarchs, with that "already knew everything at birth" stuff. But he grew on Olympia bot wanting to fight or discuss others, only making it because his "father" asked him to.
He grew into a democrat, someone with principles.
And with the coming of the Emperor he was shown his dream was impossible. He would have to fight for an Emperor, and he was given the most gruesome tasks, and he endured it.
Untill he didn't.
He is the Primarch that broke.
The one most suited for that job, capable of reducing his sons to mere numbers and using them to calculate victory, and he went mad from it.
He was the less human of them all, but carried such a burden he buckled as any mortal would have done.
And that's why I love his character.
@Kiriothtv. I'm not anyone special. But. If it's any consolation I go thru very much of the same thing as you. I got back into 40k after a VERY dark period in my life. You helped me decide this. After watching a couple of your videos I saw a shift in the community I left behind. So thank you because striving to have the same outlook as you has revived my passion for this. So thank you.
He's definitely my favorite primarch. Demski-Bowden did a great job making him an interesting character with intriguing dreams and hopes for the future. I hate how one of the more recent books--can't remember the name--made him connive against Horus in a silly way. It didn't seem in his character to be so incompetent. That was more of a Kor Phaeron kind of move
In a similar vein, I've always had a liking for Perturabo, who lived and breathed creation, but was condemned to destroy. He created countless clockwork constructs simply because, he laid blue prints for the grand works of architecture on par with Dorn's , but time and time again, he was was commanded to wage the most brutal wars of the great crusade, and all the time, he put aside any emotion at all, because he was a primarch who saw the world in angles and percentages, but emotion was a variable he couldn't afford.
He did everything asked of him, putting aside his hunger for recognition, bearing grievous injuries to his legion, and finally putting his homeworld to the torch, and in doing so becoming the monster he'd ran from so long.
Because his father asked him to.
I haven't been moved by any other primarch's story as I have been my the Lord of Iron.
Sanguinius is the best Primarch in every way!!
He was a mutant. Great guy but still a mutant and a potential threat to the Emperor's secular state.
If the Great Crusade won, they would have to cut off Sanguinius wings to fit him into the Emperor's vision. Otherwise his "beautiful hawk boi" image would inspire the Imperial citizens to believe there are real Angels and it would be Monarchia all over again.
Don't forget that Malcador said in the "First lord of the Imperium" audio that they were planning to get rid of all of the Primarchs after they did their job, just like they did with the Thunder Warriors. Because "The Imperium is not for the post-humans but for mankind". So the hawk boi would be lucky if they cut off his wings and let him live at all.
Skywatcher Adept careful there, sounds highly heretical
That plot point was retarded on all levels, besides he says he lied at the end. Probably just to help his friend cope with the situation before dying
First. I hope you are in a better place mentally in this challenging time and era. The First Heretic made me completely reassess which Primarchs I really liked. Guilliman and Lorgar both are now probably my favorites.
I miss ferrus the mannus 😢
Declan Lewis he died as he live,
not weak
Favourite primarch for me has to be Fulgrim, although I also love Horus. Fulgrim is such a tragically flawed character, it just feels that in his quest for perfection he lost himself, and I think it really helps that he instantly regrets it when he kills Ferrus and THAT'S what dooms him in the eyes of the Imperium but also gives a hope for redemption some day, as you really get the sense that Fulgrim (much like Horus) got tricked and manipulated into doing the Chaos Gods' bidding. Fulgrim was a brilliant novel, and really sold me on that Primarch, which wasn't a given because before that I just kind of assumed he'd be like Lucius, but taller...!
‘Illegitimate non carborundum’ kirioth. The sad part is it can be argued that Logar and the word bearers won the heresy. They even say as much in “The Black Legion” when Martian’s is introduced.
Morianna damned autocorrect.
You're amazing dude. Literally the person who got me back into 40k after over 10 years. Keep it up, fuck the haters.
My favorite primarch would have to be either Vulkan, Angron, or Fulgrim.
Vulkan all the way
I go with the Khan:
-Helped create the Librarium without taking the credit for it
-unlike Fulgrim knew when enough is enough when it came to fashionsense, and unlike Magnus when it came to magic.
-allowed those who joined the lodged to die a glorious death
-wasnt a complete dick against normal people
-made his choice in chaos vs loyalist willingly and knowing how it would end
-defended a Thousand son when Magnus was doing his "woe is me"thing
-was able to outplay the Alpha Legion in one of the best "gotta go fast"scenes ever written
-knew what universe he lived in but decided to fight anyway:
Arvida (a thousand son, who had a vision of what the imperium would become in the 40 millenium):" I am already corrupted, but I am not alone -It comes for all of us. Even you. I saw it. I saw what we are building. Do you hear me, Master of Chogoris? There is no victory. No victory."
The Khan's reply :" I do not doubt your visions. But what do they change? Shall we stare up at the shadows and let the blades fall from our hands? Know this, son of Magnus, there is more under the arch of heaven than victory and defeat. We may fall back, but not forever. We may feint and we may weave, but not forever. We may yet be doomed to lose all we cherish, but we do so in the knowledge that we could have turned away, and did not. We remain true. They can never have this, not if they burn all we ever build and scorn us through the dacing flames. You hear me? We remained true."
I would love to see this sort of in-depth and objective look at Perturabo, arguably the worst Primarch in the eyes of the community. I don't feel he really deserves that hate, I honestly believe he's one of the best.
I am full of admiration for the way you handled that troll. You’re totally correct, people are not hateful or vile towards strangers on the internet because they’re in a good place themselves. More power to you Kirioth for your insightful and level headed response.
The ones I like the most are Sanguinius and Vulkan. Just that those two tried to show more compassion despite being warriors. Whether it was their own gene sons or their brothers, they still tried to see good in others.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
My favourites are Vulkan and Sanguinius ! :)
Closed 40k has to actual superheroes.
I've been quietly admiring how open you are with discussing problems so many of us do silently, i expect you have the perfect platform and approach for talking about the issue so massive respect for doing it a damn good way. However this stood out when you recognise through the bitterness of their comment towards you they're doing it because of their own problems and actively defend them ... your a true gentleman.
As much as my gut reaction is to add to the other offers to bury my boot in the original commenter the truth is the poor chap probably needs a hug and a chat.
Oh and to keep on topic, Fulgrim is literally perfect. Plus he can pull off pink, takes a real man to wear pink.
Unpopular, I know, but Guilliman is my favorite. He's boring, he's formulaic, he's not charismatic, he's not even particularly a great combatant comparatively. In the past, he's been described as perfect, and he had an easy time coming into power but I think it makes him more intriguing, especially as time goes on. And in several of the more recent novels, his flawed nature has been explored more in depth. He's uncomfortable with the position of leadership he assumes in the Imperium, both before and after the Heresy, but nonetheless assumes it. He's not a particularly exciting Primarch (save for when he's punching people to death in space), but his the seemingly more mundane abilities that make him so capable strike me as much more compelling than figures like Russ, Angron, the Khan, Ferrus, Fulgrim, the Lion, and others. He's good at what he does, which is an organizational and institutional master, besting opponents more superior in many ways through the genius of command and structure. I don't like that he's seemingly had plot armor in the series, but it's more about his character and abilities as a commander and leader (and the fact that other Primarchs hate an otherwise not-so-bad guy) that makes him so interesting.
Close second is Perturabo, and strangely I think he and Guilliman share many of the same characteristics.
Haven't watched yet but just gonna say I agree. He is the most 'human' feeling of the primarchs - especially the traitors. His motivations are familiar and we can empathise with them. The First Heretic is possibly the greatest book in the Horus Heresy series and it really drew me to the Word Bearers. If they did a Lorgar model my wallet would be empty until I had a huge host of them.
Vulkan as he and his chapter is always thinking about making themselfes better and in way the empire with them. Let the soldiers maintain their own weapons so that the Techmarines can make improvements.
Kirioth the god emperor clearly has blessed you for showing such a reasoned, wise and sympathetic approach to that troll by granting you a epic hair game! Thanks for the videos and I hope all is well.
#blameLorgar
#BlameErebus
The internet is full of toxic people, and those people are beneath you, you are a great example to people who suffer from depression and being able to talk in a very public format helps raise awareness, you sir are a legend and an inspiration, love the content bud, keep it up 😀
Lorgar, the truthseeker
“All I ever wanted was the truth.”
Angron, I thought he was kinda boring until they got to Nuceria, but that whole arc in Betrayer really struck a chord with me.
agree #lorgardidnothingwrong
Northfour 108 if it wasn’t for Lorgar’s Pre-Heresy teachings there would be no imperial cult and therefore no Inquisition, no deathwatch, no grey knights and, of course, no Plastic Sisters.
Reeeee
Personalty my favourite primarch is the Khan mainly because he's always overlooked but never seeks to change it he doesn't want any recognition all he wants is to be free and because I'm Irish that really hit home with me as kind of a fight to be free
That is a strange speech impediment, you keep trying to say leman russ but it comes out Lorgar. very odd
restfullwicked Lol
the big problem of the emperor was that he thought about the Primachs as tools and not as sons...
Vulcan is the true primarch
I agree with everything this man just said, because it's exactly what I wanted to hear!
I don't trust the emperor
4:40 primarch talk starts here
Lorgar is a waifu
No no, you mean, Lorgar HAD a waifu, Ingethel.
What's ironic to the max is that Lorgar was almost unanimously loved by everyone, and it was for very human reasons. He respected people, and his preaching's were always so immensely well received it brought so many good people together. Then the Emperor swoops in, and orders it all literally burned down to the ground. I challenge anyone to not worship chaos after such a traumatic, and spiteful act on their parent's part.
Based Lorgar respecter
Glad to see you in happier spirits in this video!
#bringbackvulkan
SHHHH my friend, Vulkan never left! Even now you can still hear his laughter every time someone kills a tank with a flamethrower!
I fucking loved this video. A primarch video that shows the depth of there character rather then there deeds very refreshing. Man knows his logar. If your going to do a similar video please do magnus.
Ps the Guilliman bit was amazballs aswell.
I dont need to listen. I just agree.
All my favorite primarchs didn't really want to be a warrior. Lorgar just wanted to preach. Magnus wanted to learn. My favorite, Perturabo, just wanted to be a new Leonardo da Vinci.
Lorgar was a pnasy, now my boy Morty, that was a Primarch....
Lord Nurgle now he’s better
You mean the guy whom had racism in his legion
The guy who got upset that the emperor came down and destroyed his enemies for him, thus saving untold thousands of his warriors lives?
Mortarian is the biggest mug out of all the primarchs. The guy who hated sorcery so much he ended up as a daemon primarch! Lol, that's like a guy who hates McDonalds food then ends up managing a branch. Nurgle doesn't even like him as much as Typhus, he just keeps Mortarian as a trophy.
I mean, Angron tho...
Big hugs to you Kirioth. good on you for being the better man towards your troll
, someone's insisting on a power fisting
Hey man, really sorry to hear you had some hateful bam giving you grief but equally glad to hear you got loads of support from the gang :)