The advantage of the magazine isn't that it lets you put more darts down range faster, it's that it lets you put one magazine load of darts down range faster!
Exactly, pepper box pistols and cap and ball revolvers weren't really faster over a large number of shots than Era muzzle loading pistols, but could fire 6+ times in a go with out reloading. Same even goes for the Nerf revolvers vs the Nerf Muzzle Loading pistols now that I think about it.
@@derrickbiedermann9802 I thought about it and the nerf revolver would out do the nerf muzzle loader anyday. But then again all it takes is 1, ide be glad to be tagged out if all I had was one and not none.
@@Tarrandus Now pull out your sidearm. Remember - switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading. Using your knife is even faster than switching to your pistol.
There is no time in static objects, so we can assume 4d either makes an object in 4 spacial dimensions or the object changes in a linear fashion. I assume the former because the latter confuses me more.
And also with the mags being removable you could have some sort of spring mechanism to push the darts in to the barrel, so you wouldn’t have to tilt it back every time you need another dart in the barrel! :] Like a spring to push them towards the barrel, and then some sort of flap that opens when you cock it so only 1 dart inters the barrel at a time!! :D But that’s just my idea and I don’t actually know if it would work or not, or if it would even be worth it in the end so… yah! XP lol
Crazy he would act surprised that it took about the same time to shoot the magazine one when he didn't even bother to make some kind of actual clip or speed loader
@@deskmat9874 IKR, I mean it’s almost not fair to say “they’re about the same” without even testing the mag’s greatest strength!! :D well, the greatest strength in my opinion at least! :P
@@mattie_y thanks for the reply! :D ive been watching since your first video i believe, and you've got a long way to go with as creative and inventive as you are. You're bound to be big one day, keep it up man
I think it may be different from a tube magazine like a shotgun would have because that is derectly. Into the action this slides. Down the barrel to go to the action ye catchin my drift
‘We’ used to call those hopper fed :-) You’ve created a reverse hopper. I like it. Regardless… the suction feeding back into her breech is what exited me most… That’s what makes this thing crazy simple and perfectly sealed! Well done.
The problem is you’re taking the time to refill the magazine. If you print out 3 magazines and pre-fill each with 5 darts, then you’ll save time from the control by swapping magazines instead of reloading 5 darts at a time. Also, it might be possible to put the magazine below the barrel and ready the next dart when you pull back. Pulling back would push the next dart to the tip of the barrel, pushing it forward would suck the dart back inside the barrel ready to be fired. This way the profile of the gun is smaller with the magazine attachment instead of sticking out even farther. Plus you could make the dart storage part of the magazine removable to make reloading faster by just clipping another tube full of darts into place
Even just grabbing 5 darts from his pocket to load the full magazine at once would shorten his load time by 5-10 seconds. Making a tube clip to load into the magazine would bring his 15 second reloads down to 2-3 seconds.
The advantage of magazines isn't so much that you "fire faster" it is that you can either fire faster in blocks of shooting followed by reloading that one magazine, or quickly swapping pre-loaded magazines.
It's essentially the difference between having a breech-loading single-barreled shotgun and a pump-action shotgun. A pump-action takes longer to reload, but you can fire off a bunch of rounds in succession.
He can also shave some time off by improving his reload method. Instead of grabbing each dart individually, grabbing several at a time would speed it up by simplifying things. That's just a matter of drilling himself, otherwise the magazine mechanism works great
The two total time measurements were definitely within the range of noise as well. With some improvements in technique and eliminating the bottlenecks, such as keeping the darts somewhere controlled instead of loose in his pockets, and the magazine has an enormous potential to outperform.
I think if you place the magazine above the barrel then it would load automatically without having to tilt the whole blaster. You could also make the magazine point in the opposite direction of the barrel to make it shorter and more maneuverable.
making the mag point the opposite direction of the barrel would make it impossible for the darts to load tho. the tip of the dart would hit the barrel and it would just get stuck.
@@onlinepanic2036On the initial motion of priming, toggle a 2 door airlock mechanism that simultaneously blocks all the darts from falling and allows one to fall into the barrel. You know real guns with the mag above the barrel exist already. 😂
I feel like there’s some way to use a more normal style of magazine with this but it would definitely make it overly complicated. It’s a really cool and unique blaster. I quite like it
He's already got a pump action element, so he could probably implement a backwards trapdoor magazine. The only real oddity of this magazine is where it's placed though. Gravity-fed magazines were fairly common in their day.
I'd suggest either multiple magazines or a quick feed tube that let's you just pop the cap off and dump five more rounds. And to feed straight muzzle loading quicker, you could have an ammo holder clipped to the side of the gun so you don't have to fish rounds out.
Great video. Not surprised by the test results but as some people have mentioned only having one magazine only gives you a rate of fire advantage until you have to reload. Anyway I can’t wait to see what you do next great work! :)
So happy to see you up at 35k, been here since your first video and I commented on how you were the next big DIY/engineering UA-camr. Turns out I was right, congratulations!
Agreed. Though, with its current design, I would think simply flipping it upside down would not entirely remove the need to tilt. It might work if the front part of the magazine was angled so that gravity alone would move the darts. It would also be able to have a crosshair/scope attached to it.
If you're saying like flipping the tube over, that'd still be required. Old school guys used gravity fed hoppers at a Y joint before the barrel and they still had to shake or tilt the blaster quite often to get it to feed properly.
Kinda cool, is there a way you could have it reversed in the opposite direction to be more compact? An idea I initially had was on the pullback the tube would move with the barrel and encounter a fixed wedge, forcing the darts up on the pullback, keeping tension with a light spring, and reloading using the Henry tab method, then sealing the feed hole in the barrel with a small tube that fit around it it and was fixed to the stock I’m not sure I can articulate it perfectly with simply words, but good luck with the design
You could have the mag attached much closer to the start of the barrel, with two sections of barrels, one before and one after the mag. This would allow for a much higher mag capacity without increasing the length of the blaster.
The benefit of having a system that doesnt involve reloading after each shot (magizines, internal/nondetatchable mags, belts) is that you can put more rounds down range in a short window, because (even manualy moving) the action will always be faster than reloading a round, and then moving the action. The benefit of a magizine specifically, is that it is the quickest way to replenish anywhere from 15 to 50 bullets within a firearm, in roughly the time it would take you to reload 1 or 2.
this is so awesome, if you find a way to give the mag a spring/interchangeable mags this thing would be so awesomer, it can almost be like a pump action shotgun
Reminds me of some of those gravity-fed parlor guns I read about once. Quite funny that you've more or less translated an existing gun gimmick to Nerf so seamlessly.
So cool! I saw you randomly recommended on my front page and I am loving this! Would having it top fed not work and let gravity do some of the work? Or have part of it come off so you can treat it like a real magazine and quick reload it that way?
One potentially big point to improve on is that the tube still seems to basically have to do the single reload motion every shot. So you’re actually doing that motion 20% more in the tube mag version than in the single shot version. Maybe if you had valves at the end of both of the Y branches, and the pump action closed one valve and opened the other cyclically, you could fully chamber a round from the pump without tilting the gun up.
You know how the dart that pierced the walls’ head shot off? It would be crazy if they made a dart specifically to punch a hole, then expel the head, kinda like an armour piercing round.
Pretty cool! Having a side saddle ammo carrier will speed up both reloads styles. Also, maybe you can mimic a pump action shotgun technique. People will switch to single reload shooting when the tub mag is empty so it's the best of both worlds.
This is so cool! Reloading the magazine takes a while, but there are probably ways to fix that - some people suggested replaceable magazines, or maybe it might be possible to make it curve around so the opening faces towards you (not sure how wide the bend would have to be for the darts to move freely though, and it'd probably look a bit silly) I wonder if there's a way to create a one-way valve at the end of the barrel that wouldn't slow down or interfere with the dart? Cause then you could pair it with a second valve on the end of the magazine, facing the opposite direction, so you wouldn't need to tip the darts back into the barrel before sucking them in. Though that might make it hard to ensure that only one dart gets loaded at a time.
The Y-Tho Bow from Artificial Armory has a similar magazine design. It's easily my favorite blaster since you literally use it like a full-sized bow that shoots darts instead of arrows
it needs a mechanism that feeds the ammo to the main barrel, maybe a trigger at the pumping hand that you first press to get 1 dart to the barrel and then suck. the weird tilt and getting stuck would dissapear
i feel if you just had multiple magazines you could just take off and put the next one on it'd obviously be better then self reloading the mag every time, that being said this is a cool creation and gives me musket vibes :3
The "Simplest" way to turn this into a magazine fed nerfgun would be just after the bend where it straightens out again to have that as a separate tube with a slightly over tolerance fit that's held in place with two magnets. Once its empty its easy to pull off and the new tube-mag will self align back on.
In both examples, better dart storage would lead to better times. Mag wise, having 3 of them would probably lead to 15-20 secs per 5 darts depending on urgency and practice. Single loading them would benefit more from, let say, having a box prepped in advance that holds darts in a preferred orientation, or a blaster mounted shell-style holder, or even just having darts in hand already as you're firing(Loading 1 and have 2 on standby doing salvos of 3) likely cutting from a dart every 6 seconds to a dart every 3-4 seconds. While you *_could_* probably be quicker loading, it looks like you're already good at it. The only thing slowing you down is just trying to get the darts ready to be loaded.
As far as a box prepped in advance there's belt pouches. Anything designed to hold full size rifle ammunition will also hold full size nerf darts. I use the leather pouches from the Mossin-Nagant since they're dirt cheap but there's plenty of options out there.
Yeah, the whole tilting the gun backwards so the darts feed is taking a lot of time Making the magazine spring-loaded would do it wonders, but then there's the problem with the barrel being lodged with darts. Maybe connecting a trapdoor mechanism to the pump would work? But thats too much I guess.
@@NikyCROW Honestly, the tilt isn't that bad given that it was 23s vs 15s for the first 5 darts(single vs mag respectively) Times could be made faster if the priming and loading action could be done as one instead of two. Given the current setup, and Starlights input, it'd really benefit best from just having a dart box more than anything as even his reloading of the mag takes more time than it should. Past that, it looks like he'd have to rebuild it completely to implement a alternative loading method. While typing this I also realized he could just as easily use good old fashioned nerf dart magazines as storage. Keeps them in the same direction and from getting squished in the pocket
the magazine is slower because you are basically reloading the gun twice, one when you restock the mag and again each time you reload the actual chamber
So this is exactly the phenomenon that militaries at the outset of WW1 discovered. While a magazine fed bolt action could get a magazine's worth of ammunition out faster than single loading, over a sustained period of time with reloading the difference was negligible. Still, everyone chose magazines because the ability to get multiple shots on target as fast as possible is incredibly important.
I think if you figured out a way to put a very light spring in the magazine or just put the magazine on top possibly you wouldn't have to worry about tilting the gun back everytime
try making a spring design where as instead of having to lift the entire gun to get the next bullet into the chamber the spring will push it there instead
In theory if you just made multiple of these, you'd have a detachable magazine as opposed to using it as an internal magazine like shown here. This would create the additional challenge of storing the darts securely though.
Maybe if you widen the "muzzle" and put some sort of flap there to effectively seal it you wouldn't need to tilt it back every shot, cause it would be sealed enough to let the suction do it's job.
Its 1:00 in the night for me here so i can't say this video made my day but certainly made me happy I can't wait to see what new invention you'll eventually come up with
I can’t make these things but I think a magazine like thingy would be nice for a v5, maybe like a screw on cap with a spring attached to replace the magazine stopper so it auto feeds?
You could reload 6 darts at a time, making the capacity 5+1 in the chamber. This is actually very common for tube magazines in general, so there's no reason not to do it here
Make a toggle lock that only lets a dart through when you pull back the pump and only lets one through at a time so you can spring load the tube and make multiple replaceable tubes. Sounds complicated but would be fairly simple. It would eliminate the possibility of a dart hitting the next round in the chamber on its way out, and you having to rock the whole gun backward each shot. Try a version before stated above version where the tube isn't straight down but 15 degrees down so you can just tilt it.
You could always attempt to turn the forward grip into a magazine, and have a hole allow passage for the darts in the receded position. The only problem is ensuring the dart feed well and don't get caught when you slide forwards.
you should make it so that you dont have to tilt your gun back to chamber another round because if you aim upwards a bullet will be in the way of the chambered round and it would be much faster than the hand loaded way
if the barrel had a n outtube the length of the fully retracted barrel you could have rectabgular holes in both and prob make a mechanism that would hold more traditional magazines as sliding the barrel forward to retract a bullet from the mag feed would create an air tight gap again. this way you dont need to lift the front for the next dart to follow and you can do way faster reloads. i havent tried building this but it at least seems plausible to me.
the concept is there, but a few flaws like tilting the gun up to get the bullet in which can be fixed by using either gravity or a spring to feed faster, and the fact you didn't just detatch the magazine to reload
Awesome video that I didn't know I needed. You get a sub. Something to note is that while you have to reach your pocket every time with the original, with the mag you should try grabbing multiple at a time. This might not help because it could be harder to load it handling multiple darts but I'm curious.
When you load the mag you could put one down the barrel for a +1. Also, detachable mags make for faster reload cause you'd have multiple preloaded mags.
This definitely would have swung the other way if you did either only five darts or had multiple detachable preloaded magazines in the way that they were really designed to be used.
the mag isn't to increase your overall fire rate, it's to allow multiple shots in rapid succession without reloading. Also you can load multiple shots into the mag at once, which you did once, but never repeated. Loading single shots in succession will always be about as fast as muzzle loading, but taking a handful and shoving them in the magazine will be faster if you're skilled.
Few improvements you maybe could consider, spring loading the magazine & making a button or wind up to cycle new rounds (it would make the gun awkward since the mechanism would need to span the length of the barrel so maybe electronic button?), and making the reload consist changing mags, rather than manually reloading individual bullets. Though some of these ideas go without knowledge of any limitations you've set on yourself. Amazing video regardless.
fun to see stuff that happens to real guns in a video like this! your test actually pretty much perfectly replicates trials that happened at the end of the 1800s which resulted in the tube magazines that you would normally see on lever actions and early bolt action repeaters being replaced by the box magazines we see today (easier to make speedloaders and detachable mags). The problem is that most tube magazines have to be loaded one at a time which means that really youre just staging a bunch of single loads, so it gives you a quick burst of fire but a long reload time in between. if you made a speedloader of some sort for this you would definitely see an improvement. anyways, neat design!
The advantage of the magazine isn't that it lets you put more darts down range faster, it's that it lets you put one magazine load of darts down range faster!
Also, removing a mag and putting in a fresh fully loaded mag. Loading a mag is slower than loading a barrel, but you do the work ahead of time.
Also it creates that threat of being tagged out and sometimes that’s all you need
Exactly, pepper box pistols and cap and ball revolvers weren't really faster over a large number of shots than Era muzzle loading pistols, but could fire 6+ times in a go with out reloading.
Same even goes for the Nerf revolvers vs the Nerf Muzzle Loading pistols now that I think about it.
@@derrickbiedermann9802 I thought about it and the nerf revolver would out do the nerf muzzle loader anyday.
But then again all it takes is 1, ide be glad to be tagged out if all I had was one and not none.
@@Tarrandus Now pull out your sidearm. Remember - switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading. Using your knife is even faster than switching to your pistol.
The "3d printer" bit was hillarious, love little things like this in videos
Wanna see it go 4d
@@kentity5272you will, in the past.
There is no time in static objects, so we can assume 4d either makes an object in 4 spacial dimensions or the object changes in a linear fashion.
I assume the former because the latter confuses me more.
I'ma show this to my parents and say why the printer inks are expensive 😂
4d printing is soooo next Tuesday, you should get one of the new M printers, they can print in 11 dimensions
could make it so the mags are interchangeable, so you can have preloaded mags ready to go
And also with the mags being removable you could have some sort of spring mechanism to push the darts in to the barrel, so you wouldn’t have to tilt it back every time you need another dart in the barrel! :]
Like a spring to push them towards the barrel, and then some sort of flap that opens when you cock it so only 1 dart inters the barrel at a time!! :D
But that’s just my idea and I don’t actually know if it would work or not, or if it would even be worth it in the end so… yah! XP lol
@@gamerdragon4721I mean this is how real mags work
Crazy he would act surprised that it took about the same time to shoot the magazine one when he didn't even bother to make some kind of actual clip or speed loader
@@deskmat9874 IKR, I mean it’s almost not fair to say “they’re about the same” without even testing the mag’s greatest strength!! :D
well, the greatest strength in my opinion at least! :P
@@katunu6030 exactly! :D
But even still I’m not sure how well/easy it would be to implement in this case, so… yah IDK!! :P
so cool how the darts just go *zhoop* to the back when it's primed
z h o o p
@@mattie_y thanks for the reply! :D ive been watching since your first video i believe, and you've got a long way to go with as creative and inventive as you are. You're bound to be big one day, keep it up man
New word added to the urban dictionary
@@explosioncatsandknives7747 lol bet
youre weird for making this. im subbing
yea same lol
lol fr
nice
600th like lol and yes
Can you make your next nerf gun in 4d?
i would but you’d need a 3D screen to watch the video
@@mattie_y just get a hologram, easy!
i got a vr headset
@@mattie_y can you make a 1D gun then?
@@Neuro_nActivation He can just cut his 3D gun into 3 pieces, I am sure that is the way it works.
"reverse bulpup" have to be the best way i ever saw someone describing a tube magazine
I think it may be different from a tube magazine like a shotgun would have because that is derectly. Into the action this slides. Down the barrel to go to the action ye catchin my drift
‘We’ used to call those hopper fed :-) You’ve created a reverse hopper. I like it. Regardless… the suction feeding back into her breech is what exited me most… That’s what makes this thing crazy simple and perfectly sealed! Well done.
indeed, this is based off of aeromech’s nerfhaven post about the “reverse wye”
oh shit it's the snipercore dude!
Now make this lethal
The problem is you’re taking the time to refill the magazine. If you print out 3 magazines and pre-fill each with 5 darts, then you’ll save time from the control by swapping magazines instead of reloading 5 darts at a time.
Also, it might be possible to put the magazine below the barrel and ready the next dart when you pull back. Pulling back would push the next dart to the tip of the barrel, pushing it forward would suck the dart back inside the barrel ready to be fired. This way the profile of the gun is smaller with the magazine attachment instead of sticking out even farther. Plus you could make the dart storage part of the magazine removable to make reloading faster by just clipping another tube full of darts into place
Even just grabbing 5 darts from his pocket to load the full magazine at once would shorten his load time by 5-10 seconds. Making a tube clip to load into the magazine would bring his 15 second reloads down to 2-3 seconds.
Also, it might help to have the magazine gravity fed instead of having to do such a long and unnatural motion each time he reloads
Do you just putting the loader the other way in and making the exit clip holder an "iron sight"
Or he can learn how to speed load and load more than one dart at a time.
The advantage of magazines isn't so much that you "fire faster" it is that you can either fire faster in blocks of shooting followed by reloading that one magazine, or quickly swapping pre-loaded magazines.
It's essentially the difference between having a breech-loading single-barreled shotgun and a pump-action shotgun.
A pump-action takes longer to reload, but you can fire off a bunch of rounds in succession.
The first five (5) shorts are much quicker with the mag, so it is still worth using - very cool!
He can also shave some time off by improving his reload method. Instead of grabbing each dart individually, grabbing several at a time would speed it up by simplifying things. That's just a matter of drilling himself, otherwise the magazine mechanism works great
He could theoretically make a speedloader for the mag.
he could just make more copies of this and have extra mags
The two total time measurements were definitely within the range of noise as well. With some improvements in technique and eliminating the bottlenecks, such as keeping the darts somewhere controlled instead of loose in his pockets, and the magazine has an enormous potential to outperform.
I think if you place the magazine above the barrel then it would load automatically without having to tilt the whole blaster. You could also make the magazine point in the opposite direction of the barrel to make it shorter and more maneuverable.
How would you prevent the entire magazine from dumping into the tube though.
making the mag point the opposite direction of the barrel would make it impossible for the darts to load tho. the tip of the dart would hit the barrel and it would just get stuck.
@@austinsparks4561 That's not what they meant.
@@onlinepanic2036On the initial motion of priming, toggle a 2 door airlock mechanism that simultaneously blocks all the darts from falling and allows one to fall into the barrel. You know real guns with the mag above the barrel exist already. 😂
That would be the oldschool Hopper fed rainbow pumps. You'd still have to jiggle them a bit since gravity feed is finnicky on the best of days.
where'd you get your printer?!!!?!?!? id love to print in multiple dimensions!
HOW IS THIS 5 DAYS AGO WHEN THE VIDEO IS 2?
members get to watch early heh
It’s a 3-D printer?
Do you know technically your average paper household printer, Princeton, two dimensions
This idea is very cool, maybe try placing the bayonet at a different angle so gravity won’t affect the dart’s ability to enter the chamber
I feel like there’s some way to use a more normal style of magazine with this but it would definitely make it overly complicated. It’s a really cool and unique blaster. I quite like it
He's already got a pump action element, so he could probably implement a backwards trapdoor magazine. The only real oddity of this magazine is where it's placed though. Gravity-fed magazines were fairly common in their day.
Swappable magazines
I'd suggest either multiple magazines or a quick feed tube that let's you just pop the cap off and dump five more rounds. And to feed straight muzzle loading quicker, you could have an ammo holder clipped to the side of the gun so you don't have to fish rounds out.
out of curiosity - what does the 4 setting on your printer do?
oh you dont wanna know
@@mattie_y
It sets it to 4, i assume?
bingo
Inter-dimensional nerf blasters (shoot people through dimensions)
@@captcade2913
They did something like that in an episode of _Deep Space Nine._
Subbed for the hilarious chaotic overlapping voiceovers!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great video. Not surprised by the test results but as some people have mentioned only having one magazine only gives you a rate of fire advantage until you have to reload. Anyway I can’t wait to see what you do next great work! :)
best part is that it actually sounds like a gun
So happy to see you up at 35k, been here since your first video and I commented on how you were the next big DIY/engineering UA-camr. Turns out I was right, congratulations!
thanks!
Remember. switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading
Was looking for this
Good old Y hoppers. Interesting variation.
to increase the speed a bit, you could possibly put the magazine on TOP of the barrel so you don't have to tilt the gun up to reload every time?
Agreed. Though, with its current design, I would think simply flipping it upside down would not entirely remove the need to tilt. It might work if the front part of the magazine was angled so that gravity alone would move the darts. It would also be able to have a crosshair/scope attached to it.
A problem i see with that is it would need a way to only load 1 dart at a time. Otherwise they would all slide down and jam
If you're saying like flipping the tube over, that'd still be required. Old school guys used gravity fed hoppers at a Y joint before the barrel and they still had to shake or tilt the blaster quite often to get it to feed properly.
Best nerf UA-cam alive rn
You gotta do the “I own a musket for home defense” with this, it’d be so funny
Just need to make a nerf grapeshot cannon first.
@@ohshi5402 yeah
The concept reminds me alot of those experimental weapons done in WW1
You could make a stripperclip like thing to reload the mag faster and just keep a bunch of those stripperclips on you!
Kinda cool, is there a way you could have it reversed in the opposite direction to be more compact? An idea I initially had was on the pullback the tube would move with the barrel and encounter a fixed wedge, forcing the darts up on the pullback, keeping tension with a light spring, and reloading using the Henry tab method, then sealing the feed hole in the barrel with a small tube that fit around it it and was fixed to the stock
I’m not sure I can articulate it perfectly with simply words, but good luck with the design
This just feels like a musket with extra steps
Bro got that UA-camr starter pack 💀
I hope to see him at a Range Day with the Unsub guys soon!
Im sure you already know this but that intro was hard as hell. The M and Y swipe was satisfying as hell
Now put a BCAR on it.
Great video! You really have something here. I think there's a lot more content, and versions, to be made of this Kirby blaster. Keep it up!
At first glance, I thought this was a gun for Splatoon hahahaha
You could have the mag attached much closer to the start of the barrel, with two sections of barrels, one before and one after the mag.
This would allow for a much higher mag capacity without increasing the length of the blaster.
Subbed. Love this sort of stuff. Love your direct approach to talking about the project.
The benefit of having a system that doesnt involve reloading after each shot (magizines, internal/nondetatchable mags, belts) is that you can put more rounds down range in a short window, because (even manualy moving) the action will always be faster than reloading a round, and then moving the action.
The benefit of a magizine specifically, is that it is the quickest way to replenish anywhere from 15 to 50 bullets within a firearm, in roughly the time it would take you to reload 1 or 2.
Remember, switching to pistol is always faster than reloading
print multiple magazines and pre-fill them with darts. you’ll be unstoppable.
this is so awesome, if you find a way to give the mag a spring/interchangeable mags this thing would be so awesomer, it can almost be like a pump action shotgun
the idea of magazines is to have multiple pre-loaded, instead of re-packing it when it empties.
It makes such comical *slurp- pahp* noises.
Reminds me of some of those gravity-fed parlor guns I read about once. Quite funny that you've more or less translated an existing gun gimmick to Nerf so seamlessly.
I can definitely think of several improvements to this design. very neat idea though
I love this blaster so much! It keeps getting better!
"4D is when things get a little bit strang-"
*etherial howls of interdimensional logic errors getting louder*
So cool! I saw you randomly recommended on my front page and I am loving this! Would having it top fed not work and let gravity do some of the work? Or have part of it come off so you can treat it like a real magazine and quick reload it that way?
One potentially big point to improve on is that the tube still seems to basically have to do the single reload motion every shot. So you’re actually doing that motion 20% more in the tube mag version than in the single shot version.
Maybe if you had valves at the end of both of the Y branches, and the pump action closed one valve and opened the other cyclically, you could fully chamber a round from the pump without tilting the gun up.
You know how the dart that pierced the walls’ head shot off? It would be crazy if they made a dart specifically to punch a hole, then expel the head, kinda like an armour piercing round.
you could've loaded more than one at once in the magazine test, or make more than one and have them preloaded to swap xD cool video
Be careful. The ATF might just classify this as an assault rifle.
Pretty cool! Having a side saddle ammo carrier will speed up both reloads styles. Also, maybe you can mimic a pump action shotgun technique. People will switch to single reload shooting when the tub mag is empty so it's the best of both worlds.
This is so cool! Reloading the magazine takes a while, but there are probably ways to fix that - some people suggested replaceable magazines, or maybe it might be possible to make it curve around so the opening faces towards you (not sure how wide the bend would have to be for the darts to move freely though, and it'd probably look a bit silly)
I wonder if there's a way to create a one-way valve at the end of the barrel that wouldn't slow down or interfere with the dart? Cause then you could pair it with a second valve on the end of the magazine, facing the opposite direction, so you wouldn't need to tip the darts back into the barrel before sucking them in. Though that might make it hard to ensure that only one dart gets loaded at a time.
The Y-Tho Bow from Artificial Armory has a similar magazine design. It's easily my favorite blaster since you literally use it like a full-sized bow that shoots darts instead of arrows
Remember: Switching to your Reverse Bullpup Sidearm is always faster than reloading
it needs a mechanism that feeds the ammo to the main barrel, maybe a trigger at the pumping hand that you first press to get 1 dart to the barrel and then suck. the weird tilt and getting stuck would dissapear
i feel if you just had multiple magazines you could just take off and put the next one on it'd obviously be better then self reloading the mag every time, that being said this is a cool creation and gives me musket vibes :3
The "Simplest" way to turn this into a magazine fed nerfgun would be just after the bend where it straightens out again to have that as a separate tube with a slightly over tolerance fit that's held in place with two magnets. Once its empty its easy to pull off and the new tube-mag will self align back on.
reverse bullpup on the thum nail got me dyeing it just a convetional firearm
In both examples, better dart storage would lead to better times.
Mag wise, having 3 of them would probably lead to 15-20 secs per 5 darts depending on urgency and practice.
Single loading them would benefit more from, let say, having a box prepped in advance that holds darts in a preferred orientation, or a blaster mounted shell-style holder, or even just having darts in hand already as you're firing(Loading 1 and have 2 on standby doing salvos of 3) likely cutting from a dart every 6 seconds to a dart every 3-4 seconds.
While you *_could_* probably be quicker loading, it looks like you're already good at it. The only thing slowing you down is just trying to get the darts ready to be loaded.
As far as a box prepped in advance there's belt pouches. Anything designed to hold full size rifle ammunition will also hold full size nerf darts. I use the leather pouches from the Mossin-Nagant since they're dirt cheap but there's plenty of options out there.
Yeah, the whole tilting the gun backwards so the darts feed is taking a lot of time
Making the magazine spring-loaded would do it wonders, but then there's the problem with the barrel being lodged with darts.
Maybe connecting a trapdoor mechanism to the pump would work? But thats too much I guess.
@@NikyCROW Honestly, the tilt isn't that bad given that it was 23s vs 15s for the first 5 darts(single vs mag respectively) Times could be made faster if the priming and loading action could be done as one instead of two.
Given the current setup, and Starlights input, it'd really benefit best from just having a dart box more than anything as even his reloading of the mag takes more time than it should.
Past that, it looks like he'd have to rebuild it completely to implement a alternative loading method.
While typing this I also realized he could just as easily use good old fashioned nerf dart magazines as storage. Keeps them in the same direction and from getting squished in the pocket
the magazine is slower because you are basically reloading the gun twice, one when you restock the mag and again each time you reload the actual chamber
if you added a follower to the magazine, it'd be faster, but in that case you need to either add a loading gate or detach it to reload it
You could knock a lot of time off by making the movements to rack the weapon smoother, and could save time by printing three "magazines" as well.
So this is exactly the phenomenon that militaries at the outset of WW1 discovered. While a magazine fed bolt action could get a magazine's worth of ammunition out faster than single loading, over a sustained period of time with reloading the difference was negligible. Still, everyone chose magazines because the ability to get multiple shots on target as fast as possible is incredibly important.
The quality of the videos has just gone up and up. i have been watching ever since your first video.
"Inhales ammo"
Just like children 5 and under!
I think if you figured out a way to put a very light spring in the magazine or just put the magazine on top possibly you wouldn't have to worry about tilting the gun back everytime
You are exactly the kind of person I want playing my game.
Subbing to steal inspiration from you on mechanics to implement 👍
try making a spring design where as instead of having to lift the entire gun to get the next bullet into the chamber the spring will push it there instead
In theory if you just made multiple of these, you'd have a detachable magazine as opposed to using it as an internal magazine like shown here. This would create the additional challenge of storing the darts securely though.
Maybe if you widen the "muzzle" and put some sort of flap there to effectively seal it you wouldn't need to tilt it back every shot, cause it would be sealed enough to let the suction do it's job.
Matt you fool, the most important variable in moving to the magazine is having MULTIPLE MAGAZINES!!!
someone definitely called 911💀
The issue is loading individual darts at a time, you wanna be able to swap filled magazines rather than fill the same one
I like how its essentially a nerf musket with a bayonet magazine.
Talon mags: am I a joke to you?
You could always consider adding dart storage to the barrel to make the process of loading manually somewhat faster
Its 1:00 in the night for me here so i can't say this video made my day but certainly made me happy
I can't wait to see what new invention you'll eventually come up with
appreciate it!
I like how he has more trigger discipline with a nerf gun then most have with a real one💀
I can’t make these things but I think a magazine like thingy would be nice for a v5, maybe like a screw on cap with a spring attached to replace the magazine stopper so it auto feeds?
You could reload 6 darts at a time, making the capacity 5+1 in the chamber. This is actually very common for tube magazines in general, so there's no reason not to do it here
A follower could be useful.
Alternatively some sort of a one-way valve on barrel, so that during suction phase it would pull air via the magazine.
Make a toggle lock that only lets a dart through when you pull back the pump and only lets one through at a time so you can spring load the tube and make multiple replaceable tubes. Sounds complicated but would be fairly simple. It would eliminate the possibility of a dart hitting the next round in the chamber on its way out, and you having to rock the whole gun backward each shot. Try a version before stated above version where the tube isn't straight down but 15 degrees down so you can just tilt it.
You could always attempt to turn the forward grip into a magazine, and have a hole allow passage for the darts in the receded position. The only problem is ensuring the dart feed well and don't get caught when you slide forwards.
you should make it so that you dont have to tilt your gun back to chamber another round because if you aim upwards a bullet will be in the way of the chambered round and it would be much faster than the hand loaded way
You could try a lightweight spring system in the magazine and multiple magazines to maximize firerate
if the barrel had a n outtube the length of the fully retracted barrel you could have rectabgular holes in both and prob make a mechanism that would hold more traditional magazines as sliding the barrel forward to retract a bullet from the mag feed would create an air tight gap again. this way you dont need to lift the front for the next dart to follow and you can do way faster reloads. i havent tried building this but it at least seems plausible to me.
the concept is there, but a few flaws like tilting the gun up to get the bullet in which can be fixed by using either gravity or a spring to feed faster, and the fact you didn't just detatch the magazine to reload
Awesome video that I didn't know I needed. You get a sub.
Something to note is that while you have to reach your pocket every time with the original, with the mag you should try grabbing multiple at a time. This might not help because it could be harder to load it handling multiple darts but I'm curious.
I feel like the more you trained the faster the magazine would be.
When you load the mag you could put one down the barrel for a +1.
Also, detachable mags make for faster reload cause you'd have multiple preloaded mags.
This definitely would have swung the other way if you did either only five darts or had multiple detachable preloaded magazines in the way that they were really designed to be used.
the mag isn't to increase your overall fire rate, it's to allow multiple shots in rapid succession without reloading. Also you can load multiple shots into the mag at once, which you did once, but never repeated. Loading single shots in succession will always be about as fast as muzzle loading, but taking a handful and shoving them in the magazine will be faster if you're skilled.
you should make a dart holder for quicker loading, i like the muzzle load design over the mag design
You could try putting a spring in the magazine so you don't have to tilt the gun upwards after each shot.
you know what. "unbullpups your gun"
Few improvements you maybe could consider, spring loading the magazine & making a button or wind up to cycle new rounds (it would make the gun awkward since the mechanism would need to span the length of the barrel so maybe electronic button?), and making the reload consist changing mags, rather than manually reloading individual bullets. Though some of these ideas go without knowledge of any limitations you've set on yourself. Amazing video regardless.
fun to see stuff that happens to real guns in a video like this! your test actually pretty much perfectly replicates trials that happened at the end of the 1800s which resulted in the tube magazines that you would normally see on lever actions and early bolt action repeaters being replaced by the box magazines we see today (easier to make speedloaders and detachable mags). The problem is that most tube magazines have to be loaded one at a time which means that really youre just staging a bunch of single loads, so it gives you a quick burst of fire but a long reload time in between. if you made a speedloader of some sort for this you would definitely see an improvement. anyways, neat design!