Jim did great backin vocals. I recently download a 93 bootleg -which was captured from the soundboard- and Jim does amazing job on vocals (Jizzlobber, Caffeine, Chinese Arithmetic, and others).
Jim wrote the song and was proud of it so he wanted it included on the album, I would be impressed if Jim had sold a '99 Dodge Neon to pay for the recording, as he made it in 97
@SDMFAnthony01 I also agree that your age when albums come out plays a big part in how good they are to you. Im only 27 so the first album i heard from them was King for a day.... and it just blew my mind. Then i went back and listened to The Real Thing and Angeldust. It's like they are a different band on every record which is awesome if they are consistently great. I wish sometimes i was your age because to me that was the last golden age for good music. Most everything sucks now.
@Guitarsthatkill And I think Jim was the rock solid foundation of FNM and without him there would be no such band but as far as the "evolution" goes I don't really think he had much of a part in it. They started out a funk metal band and ended up something bigger than that . He didn't really want to change... and that is something he has said himself if you look at interviews from around the time he left. Awesome musician though.. and no one can take that away from him.
The bassist from faith no more...met him cologne popkomm yearz ago dellivered some cases beer backstage cathering by reiss were i worked for jim gave me a sighned cd an a red sunglass he weared.nice guy that were on of the best tips somebody gaved to me.peace
@divinegrinder i get you're point...i'm 42 and was about 21 when THE REAL THING came out, so that is their best album to me..at least my favorite, but ANGELDUST was very brilliant too, and KING FOR A DAY...was insane as well, but that performance in London at the Brixton Academy (YOU FAT BASTARDS) is an unparalleled performance in my humble opinion.
@divinegrinder Whilst I value Patton's contributions to the band's music on from AD, Jim wrote Jizzlobber and Kindergarten, wrote the solos/harmonies. Not to mention the awesomeness of his live sound/work. (That no other guitarist with FNM came to close to live) Thats not exactly "No contribution" on AD. And Martin did in contribute to the evolution. Did you hear the Faith no man stuff yet? There was a lot of evolution bought about from Jim's involvement since those days..
@divinegrinder They started out new waveish/new romantic/dance style....then became more metalish when Jim joined in '84. No way would a Jizzlobber or Surprise you're dead have surfaced without Jim. Sure Bill Gould played funky bass, and Jim Played metal guitar, but they had too much pop in them to truely be "Funk Metal" a tag thats always been a problem when describing Zombie Eaters/The Real Thing/Edge of the World. I think it was a lazy press umbrella tag that sold FNM short.
@instereovideos Mike Patton played just as big a role on the Real Thing as Jim Martin. Jim Martin was unwilling to be in the same band with a strong creative influence like Patton. Mike Patton clicked with everyone in the band besides Jim Martin and also wrote a lot on Angel Dust on the albums after it. If you watched the documentary on the making of A.D. you can see how stubborn and unwilling to progress Martin is. Give the later albums a chance. The Real Thing was great but they got better.
Im sure thats true about the writing process with spruance but i cant really agree with you about a lack of adistinctive rhythm section on KFAD. Gould may not have done a lot of slapping on it, but its my favorite FNM album and one my favorite albums of all time. So to me, its a more than fair trade off .
I shy away from saying that FNM ever went downhill. This is/was a band you have to think of as a constantly evolving creature. "Song of Liberty" isn't even 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon from "Mouth to Mouth"... they're worlds apart and yet they're both part of FNM canon. Some people simply didn't follow the band as it evolved with each successive record; prefering to think of them as locked into a single genre and expecting them to get into a groove so to speak. Thank goodness they never did.
@SDMFAnthony01 I agree with you whole heartedly... That is one of the best live performances i've ever seen period, let alone for Faith no More. Im glad someone realizes I'm not attacking Jim Martin. My original post is a little harsh looking back but i was trying to make a point. FNM is one of my favorite bands and Jim Martin was a part of that. I just don't see the point of making a watered down version of the same song of the band you were in.
@peterp21 And as far as Patton worship.. do I qualify for that just because I don't think The Real Thing is their best album? I don't like or even know about half the weird projects Mike Patton does. But I do like Mr. Bungle... and Tomahawk. Not on the level that i like FNM but, I can appreciate them as relevant, unique bands with good songwriting. If you can't, maybe you're the one with the problem. When's the last time Jim Martin wrote something relevant?
@peterp21 Then we fundamentally disagree because i think Angeldust and King for a Day... are classic FNM albums and every bit as good as The Real Thing. Jim Martin contributed little to nothing on Angeldust and nothing obvisouly on King for a Day. I think you would find that if you polled actual Faith no More fans, those albums might even be more popular. A lot of the people that bought The Real Thing are casual listeners and just bought it because of "Epic."
@divinegrinder I know this will be an unpopular opinon but FNM went downhill after Martin left. Their albums just became generic sounding. I'm not saying Martin was the main reason for this, just saying there's a corrleation. I don't think either FNM album afterward even sold 250,000 copies; i.e., they were essentially ignored and faded into oblivion. Of course, people that would worship diarrhea as long as it came out of Patton's ass will think I'm speaking crazy talk.
This is a disgrace and obviously just an attempt at slapping Mike Patton in the face (that failed). What is the point in this. Jim Martin was in Faith No More. The guitar parts are exact. The drums are pretty much exact but played with less power. The tempo is slower. The production is worse. And to top it off the vocals are an abomination. Sounds like Jim sold a '99 Dodge Neon to pay for a demo tape and this is the result. What is the point of this?
@Guitarsthatkill Jizzlobber and Kindergarten are two of my favorite songs on the album. But Jim was hard to work with back during the recording of that album and most of the stuff on it was written without him. Imagine how good it would have been if he contributed to every song. I'm not bashing Jim Martin... great guitar player. But personally I think they got better with every album. He could have been part of that and if he was who knows what they could have written.
@@trendmassacre8423 Why stop and think there is a thing called Google. You can just search the answer dummy. This album is not a demo . It was his 1st solo album. And at that a terrible trash can recording he produced himself.
@divinegrinder Yeah, that's why Angel Dust wasn't as good as Real Thing... because Martin didn't have as much influence. It was just the last FNM album that didn't totally suck, because Patton wasn't free to do any stupid thing he wanted to do (like he did immediately after Martin was out). So, your friends who listen to "X-treme radio" told you that old FNM was "funk metal," and now you don't listen to it. Yeah sorry, but you're not an FNM fan. Go listen to your Korn and Incubus records.
Getting rid of jim martin was the biggest mistake FNM ever mad...their material went downhill after as well as alot of their sound...not to say the other albums werent good but stack TRT and AD against KFDFAL and AOTY and the first 2 are the better by far
N CYRKLS Given the fact that Jim contributed fuck all to Angel Dust, you’d be wrong there. AD & KFADFFALT are FNM’s best albums, and Jim had minimal contribution to just about one of them.
@instereovideos Funny cause Jim Martin had almost nothing to do with the writing of Angel Dust and it is a classic album... and King for a Day is probably their best record in my opinion. I know Mike Patton came out of the woodwork with his weird ideas and ruined your funk metal fantasy but give me a break. This version of SYD sucks compared to the original no matter how you look at it and there was no point in recording it.
faith no more never sounded the same without jim. he gave them their signature sound. im a huge fan.
in my opinion one of the most underrated guitarists ever!
@@matthias5163I completely forgot I ever listened to this song lmfao but fair enough
I'll give Mike Patton credit..he is a gifted vocalist..but damn, he isn't the be-all, end-all of FNM.
Give Jim some credit as well.
dude martin grows pumpkins now hes pretty much done with music i respect him for it and hes a legend because of it
Oh, shit. Never heard this version. Such a killer tune!
Jim did great backin vocals. I recently download a 93 bootleg -which was captured from the soundboard- and Jim does amazing job on vocals (Jizzlobber, Caffeine, Chinese Arithmetic, and others).
Great fucking song ✌️🏴
Jim wrote the song and was proud of it so he wanted it included on the album, I would be impressed if Jim had sold a '99 Dodge Neon to pay for the recording, as he made it in 97
@SDMFAnthony01 I also agree that your age when albums come out plays a big part in how good they are to you. Im only 27 so the first album i heard from them was King for a day.... and it just blew my mind. Then i went back and listened to The Real Thing and Angeldust. It's like they are a different band on every record which is awesome if they are consistently great. I wish sometimes i was your age because to me that was the last golden age for good music. Most everything sucks now.
One of those albums that I never bothered to check out when it was new......gonna correct that ASAP.
@divinegrinder thanks my friend for the kind words...very good job for recognizing the change ups on every album...horns up.
King!
@Guitarsthatkill And I think Jim was the rock solid foundation of FNM and without him there would be no such band but as far as the "evolution" goes I don't really think he had much of a part in it. They started out a funk metal band and ended up something bigger than that . He didn't really want to change... and that is something he has said himself if you look at interviews from around the time he left. Awesome musician though.. and no one can take that away from him.
you gotta add CONFLICT to this playlist
The bassist from faith no more...met him cologne popkomm yearz ago dellivered some cases beer backstage cathering by reiss were i worked for jim gave me a sighned cd an a red sunglass he weared.nice guy that were on of the best tips somebody gaved to me.peace
@divinegrinder i get you're point...i'm 42 and was about 21 when THE REAL THING came out, so that is their best album to me..at least my favorite, but ANGELDUST was very brilliant too, and KING FOR A DAY...was insane as well, but that performance in London at the Brixton Academy (YOU FAT BASTARDS) is an unparalleled performance in my humble opinion.
Essa versão ficou top falta pró FNM tá fazendo falta
I just bought this album. Got it for 20 Swedish kronor (about 2-3 US dollar).
FNM homework time for you!;-)
did anyone notice that the tempo is slower than the FNM one?
@divinegrinder Whilst I value Patton's contributions to the band's music on from AD, Jim wrote Jizzlobber and Kindergarten, wrote the solos/harmonies. Not to mention the awesomeness of his live sound/work. (That no other guitarist with FNM came to close to live) Thats not exactly "No contribution" on AD. And Martin did in contribute to the evolution. Did you hear the Faith no man stuff yet? There was a lot of evolution bought about from Jim's involvement since those days..
@divinegrinder They started out new waveish/new romantic/dance style....then became more metalish when Jim joined in '84. No way would a Jizzlobber or Surprise you're dead have surfaced without Jim. Sure Bill Gould played funky bass, and Jim Played metal guitar, but they had too much pop in them to truely be "Funk Metal" a tag thats always been a problem when describing Zombie Eaters/The Real Thing/Edge of the World. I think it was a lazy press umbrella tag that sold FNM short.
@instereovideos Mike Patton played just as big a role on the Real Thing as Jim Martin. Jim Martin was unwilling to be in the same band with a strong creative influence like Patton. Mike Patton clicked with everyone in the band besides Jim Martin and also wrote a lot on Angel Dust on the albums after it. If you watched the documentary on the making of A.D. you can see how stubborn and unwilling to progress Martin is. Give the later albums a chance. The Real Thing was great but they got better.
If Slayer, Anthrax and Metallica had a 3 way
It's called mr. Bungle nowadays...
pretty sure it was Bottum that was "whacked on skag" and not Bordin.
TheImmortalCheneys true
Im sure thats true about the writing process with spruance but i cant really agree with you about a lack of adistinctive rhythm section on KFAD. Gould may not have done a lot of slapping on it, but its my favorite FNM album and one my favorite albums of all time. So to me, its a more than fair trade off .
I shy away from saying that FNM ever went downhill. This is/was a band you have to think of as a constantly evolving creature. "Song of Liberty" isn't even 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon from "Mouth to Mouth"... they're worlds apart and yet they're both part of FNM canon. Some people simply didn't follow the band as it evolved with each successive record; prefering to think of them as locked into a single genre and expecting them to get into a groove so to speak. Thank goodness they never did.
Agreed.
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var köpte du? :D
tradera, där den dyker upp rätt ofta ... dock inte för 20 spänn så ofta :P
@SDMFAnthony01 I agree with you whole heartedly... That is one of the best live performances i've ever seen period, let alone for Faith no More. Im glad someone realizes I'm not attacking Jim Martin. My original post is a little harsh looking back but i was trying to make a point. FNM is one of my favorite bands and Jim Martin was a part of that. I just don't see the point of making a watered down version of the same song of the band you were in.
@peterp21 And as far as Patton worship.. do I qualify for that just because I don't think The Real Thing is their best album? I don't like or even know about half the weird projects Mike Patton does. But I do like Mr. Bungle... and Tomahawk. Not on the level that i like FNM but, I can appreciate them as relevant, unique bands with good songwriting. If you can't, maybe you're the one with the problem. When's the last time Jim Martin wrote something relevant?
@peterp21 Then we fundamentally disagree because i think Angeldust and King for a Day... are classic FNM albums and every bit as good as The Real Thing. Jim Martin contributed little to nothing on Angeldust and nothing obvisouly on King for a Day. I think you would find that if you polled actual Faith no More fans, those albums might even be more popular. A lot of the people that bought The Real Thing are casual listeners and just bought it because of "Epic."
drummers not too good either
@divinegrinder I know this will be an unpopular opinon but FNM went downhill after Martin left. Their albums just became generic sounding. I'm not saying Martin was the main reason for this, just saying there's a corrleation. I don't think either FNM album afterward even sold 250,000 copies; i.e., they were essentially ignored and faded into oblivion. Of course, people that would worship diarrhea as long as it came out of Patton's ass will think I'm speaking crazy talk.
Bad production but awesome riffs from Martin as always.
@divinegrinder Yeah, that's pretty much the consensus among fans that prefer FNM's later albums.
This is a disgrace and obviously just an attempt at slapping Mike Patton in the face (that failed). What is the point in this. Jim Martin was in Faith No More. The guitar parts are exact. The drums are pretty much exact but played with less power. The tempo is slower. The production is worse. And to top it off the vocals are an abomination. Sounds like Jim sold a '99 Dodge Neon to pay for a demo tape and this is the result. What is the point of this?
@Guitarsthatkill Jizzlobber and Kindergarten are two of my favorite songs on the album. But Jim was hard to work with back during the recording of that album and most of the stuff on it was written without him. Imagine how good it would have been if he contributed to every song. I'm not bashing Jim Martin... great guitar player. But personally I think they got better with every album. He could have been part of that and if he was who knows what they could have written.
Production is way too thin on this album.
Did you ever stop to think that just maybe it's a demo?
@@trendmassacre8423 Why stop and think there is a thing called Google. You can just search the answer dummy. This album is not a demo . It was his 1st solo album. And at that a terrible trash can recording he produced himself.
Milk and Blood is ok but Jim Martin has really weak vocals that kind of drag it down
@divinegrinder
Yeah, that's why Angel Dust wasn't as good as Real Thing... because Martin didn't have as much influence. It was just the last FNM album that didn't totally suck, because Patton wasn't free to do any stupid thing he wanted to do (like he did immediately after Martin was out).
So, your friends who listen to "X-treme radio" told you that old FNM was "funk metal," and now you don't listen to it. Yeah sorry, but you're not an FNM fan. Go listen to your Korn and Incubus records.
Whoever's singing here (is it Jim?) doesn't come close to Mike's original.
Yeah it's Jim.
hard song to play and sing although I'd imagine the tracks were recorded seperately
No, you didn't
This just doesn't feel the same as Patton on vocals. Just really falls flat.
Getting rid of jim martin was the biggest mistake FNM ever mad...their material went downhill after as well as alot of their sound...not to say the other albums werent good but stack TRT and AD against KFDFAL and AOTY and the first 2 are the better by far
N CYRKLS Given the fact that Jim contributed fuck all to Angel Dust, you’d be wrong there. AD & KFADFFALT are FNM’s best albums, and Jim had minimal contribution to just about one of them.
Get rid of ? He wanted out was not on board with the rest of the band ...
@instereovideos Funny cause Jim Martin had almost nothing to do with the writing of Angel Dust and it is a classic album... and King for a Day is probably their best record in my opinion. I know Mike Patton came out of the woodwork with his weird ideas and ruined your funk metal fantasy but give me a break. This version of SYD sucks compared to the original no matter how you look at it and there was no point in recording it.
Not feeling the singer...not the same, sorry, not sorry