Whats best for you? Starboard All Star Vs Starboard Generation 2022
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2021
- It was so interesting comparing two of Starboards most popular boards over the last month. With identical widths and lengths these boards will be very much on the radar for both the same type of paddlers. In this video we dial in the real differences of these boards and hopefully highlight if you are looking at the right one.
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Awesome review and come in the right time, I was considering the all star but thanks for the sharing, I will continue with my generation
Glad we could help! Thanks for the comment. Cheers, Beau
A great Christmas gift review! Thanks so much for the SupBoarder team~
Glad you enjoyed watching
Exceptional review/comparison, thank you, very informative and useful.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks, Beau
Thanks for the deep dive review. Really enjoyed your analysis
Glad it was helpful!
Stunning review! My move to a Raceboard was primarily because of the speed and efficency in all conditions what just much better than other board types in recent years BUT I think and you confirmed this, unless your racing the Generation gives up very little anywhere while being more approachable, fun and easier to live with :) Well done Starboard
Thanks for your comment. Great to hear your insights. The Generation certainly can do just about everything
@@SUPboardermag What are your feelings about the Generation vs the Whopper? I was concerned about the length of the Gen in small waves, whereas the Whopper says it can do everything, too. Would love your thoughts!
Another great video. Really can’t wait to try a Generation, as I think it will tick all the boxes and move me on from my 11’6 touring iSUP.
Glad you found this review helpful. We’re sure you’ll like it.
I love my Generation ;-) Merry Christmas!
Glad you like it
great test. being a generation owner 14ft , it is a "step on an paddle" board a great price point, a joy on downwind, perfect for day 2 day paddling. keep these test coming. the are no nonsense and honest. an idea fot 2022 a dugout board test (sic, nsp, starboard, etc).
Thanks for the kind comment. Glad you are enjoying the Generation.
Cool idea for a dugout test. I’ll pass this onto the team. Cheers, Beau
Thanks for the great reviews this year and I almost feel like this one was done just for me as I asked this question a while back.
I was torn between a 14 x 24.5” Allstar and a 12’6 x 28” Generation. Tested a full carbon All Star in that size and it was amazing to paddle, I did so with a healthy dose of side wind and it was… TECHNICAL to paddle. Just like you said it is in cross wind. It felt like I was paddling an oil tanker. But when I got the wind behind me it was astoundingly quick.
The Generation on the other hand was much more forgiving and less technical to paddle. I’d done a paddling technique lesson on one and borrowed a friend’s board a couple of times and it was such an improvement over my SB 12 x 30” touring iSUP.
I’ve only been paddling for about a year and a half so I’ve gone for a 2021 Generation about 3 weeks ago and have been loving it. It’s VERY forgiving apart from nosediving it in some very disturbed tidal water with standing waves.
Again, thanks for the great info as always. I’ll probably end up getting an Allstar as well as some point, but only once I’ve upskilled myself on the Generation.
P.S One of the benefits to the Generation is the fact that you can paddle it on flat water with just the side fins. You do lose a bit of tracking and speed, but you can run in shallow water where you’d be worried about grounding a single fin board.
Sounds like you should have gotten the Allstar
@@Armenian I don’t feel thats the case. I don’t think my paddling is quite where it needs to be to take an Allstar on some of the bits of water where I paddle. I will get on in the next 12-24 months though…
So glad you found this review helpful. I think you’ve made a great choice and like you said, the generation is very forgiving and you’ll be able to improve and work your way up to the All Star. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and insights. Cheers, Beau
Go find some waves to surf via downwind, break or boat wake traffic !!!
@@Armenianbit of an update. I’ve now bought myself a 14x24.5 Allstar and I took it out on a big tide on the bit of moving water I like to paddle on and to say it was challenging is an understatement.
When you get 5-7 knots of current hitting the rails of the generation, the board just kinda skates over it and whilst the net result might be that you go backward, it’s pretty stable.
With the rails of the generation being so square, when that water hits the rail and pushes on it, you either get pushed sideways and off, or the nose gets pushed away from your intended direction of travel.
I’ll get there though, it’s just a matter of time. But the Generation was absolutely the right choice for me when I got it and it’s still a great board for the conditions I paddle in.
Thanks for the review!!! Generation it is.
It is such a good board
Great review. Are you planning a similar Generation vs Bullet review?
Yes! Coming soon. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@SUPboardermag That would be great! I‘d guess that most weekend warriors like me, would be equally as fast on those easier to paddle Multipurpose Boards compared to the typical raceboard 24,5“ and narrower with more demanding conditions. And let’s be honest…no racer below 110kg would opt for a 28“ Raceboard.
I have the ‘21 Allstar 24.5 and put 500 miles on it this year. Its a fantastic board for fitness and touring. I primarily use it for these two reasons. I raced it only once on a 5k sup battle and got 2nd place. I wouldn’t say its absolutely necessary to lock yourself into a “race” mindset just because you are on a “race” board. Most of my lakes have small chop almost all the time. My thought process when I chose the Allstar was that I wanted the cutting effect through the water versus the “planing, and slapping” effect of rounder boards. I would purchase another Allstar with no question.
were those overnight tours or day paddles? If overnight, how do you carry your gear? BTW, I have a 2021 14x25 Allstar, which i love in flat water and am learning to deal with chop.
@@jefffski i dont camp on any of my tours. All of my sessions were day paddles with maybe a few night paddles as well. My longest consecutive paddle on the Allstar was 20 miles but most of my sessions are 8-10miles.
Wow awesome comment and insights. Thanks for sharing. Glad you are getting lots of use out of the All Star and we can see why you chose this design over others. Great pick! Beau
I love this board! I have the 12'6"x28" (the only size they made at the time) I just wish it was lighter!! Even the carbon tops are only a pound or so lighter than the lite tech for $1000 more. Any word if the 2023 models won't be so heavy? If they made it lighter, I honestly would get rid of my raceboards and get the 14'x26". It really is fun and easy to paddle.
Great to hear you are enjoying paddling the Starboards. They are quite heavy in their construction with lite tech and Carbon Top, but it's comparable across other brands of similar construction. Unless you pay the big bucks for the full carbon models, it's hard to find a lighter weight. We can't give too much away for the 2023 models, sorry. Thanks, Beau
Hello very nice review!
May I ask why I've never seen a NSP board review on supboarder? I own a puma, super nice board, maybe a little fragile beside the standing area. But I would like to see it reviewed and compared
Thanks for the comment and suggestion. Glad you are enjoying your NSP! We reach out to all brands to have their boards included in reviews. Brands do pay for a review as well which might be a reason why they haven't sent us a board yet. Hopefully soon! Thanks, Beau
I assume as per Archimedes rule the water displacement/sink in will be the same for havier riders on both boards. It would be interesting to see you with some additional sand bags on the board checking out the loss of speed. ;)
Great suggestion. We need to get more technical!
Very nice video, congrats, totally agree with all that you said. Just one comment. Me, I was up to 109 kg and no problem with the 12'6x28 Lite Tech, very funny, my favourite one (easy to transport, easy for surfing, good pace paddling) The 14'x28" needs a lot of strenght to start the movement and to catch the waves for example. The 14'x26" just a bit less wide, I think maybe for lightweight people who wants the board closer to the Allstar. 30" width, just for people without experience.
Great feedback, thanks for sharing.
Norbert, thanks! For context, how tall are you and what do you think is needed to be experienced? (Looking at the Gen 14x30; 95 kg 200cm, mixed ocean paddling with lots of chop. I don’t like on low volume boards how the rail goes completely below water and no hull left to provide stability.)
Hey @@kristofferrydquist8384 I am 187 cm. Experienced paddle I mean anybody who manage for example 14'x26" without problems or 12'6x30", having in mind heavy riders. If it is a light rider, I would say the one that don't have problems with a 14x24.5 for ex. And obviouslly have paddled enought distance and conditions to know how a paddle board performs depending on the water. I think 14x28 is better for you, and moreover I know that there is not high availability of the 30", but the 28" yes. According to the new designs of the boards, I recommend you the 28", but it is your decission. Nice SUP 🤙
Is the generation 14’ a good choice for flatwater paddling and fishing with occasional chop conditions?
If you've got the balance, the Generation could work for fishing. We'd recommend the widest 30" wide model to feel comfortable when paddling and fishing, but we haven't used it specifically for fishing. Having the 14' will give you great glide and speed when flat water paddling too! Hope this helps, Beau
Great review but you must have had some typos on your cruising speed image. 6mph? I know pros struggling with that on the narrowest of Starboard Sprints.
Hey David. Yes I agree. Getting a good speed rating is hard. The speed data get so effected by wind, and water state. The only way we can do it best is to do a very short paddle on each board in a very close succession. This guarantees that both boards have been used in the same conditions regarding wind weather and tide state. As for the actual speed reading we find it hard to actually judge it compared to different readings from other places with different boards, conditions and recording methods too. So use the mph number as a gauge it's really only there to show the differences between the two boards.
Hope that makes sense? Thanks Reuben
Ha I'm glad you commented on this. I just got an All-Star 24.5. I've only been out three times in my average speed on my one and only all out paddle was 5.4 mph. And that was a 3.7 mi paddle in light wind on a fairly calm lake. I don't know if that's considered good or not. But I don't know that I'm ever going to be capable of averaging 6 mph on that lake.
Any plans to review the airline downwind 2022?
Ooh good idea. We’re just locking in our 2022 reviews, so we will take a look and see if we can add it to the list. Thanks for the suggestion
Bottom width of 14-0-28 generation model is 26'', isn't it?
Starboard do offer a 14' x 26" wide board, but this on measures 28" on the bottom width. Thanks.
can you please review the new 2022 Generation 14x26?
We have had one on order for the last eight months :-)
@@SUPboardermag wow...!! (So im not alone..)
I am very confident on the 12,6x28. Considering a 14” but should I go for 26 or 28”? Will the extra length add to the stability
Im guessing youre talking about the Gen not All Star? But yes the extra length will add a bit of stability but not lots, and you may even fine that if you are using the 14 is rougher conditions it may fell less stable compared to a 12'6 of the same width. This is because a longer board gets thrown around more in choppy conditions. (make sense?) BUT if you are paddling in average conditions most of the time, and you are very happy on your 28 board?.. yes you could drop down to 26. This would then allow you to paddle faster and further and good progression. Hope that helps Thanks Reuben
Thank you for the swift answer.
Yes I am on the generation. I also have a 12,6 28 Waterline what I find myself a lot less comfortable on the moment the sea isn’t dead calm.
The waterline is however the Carbon top edition. I am 55 years old. And not as fit as I used to be. I find the Waterline much easier to handle off the water because it is so much lighter.
I think I would find the Generation 14 28 too heavy to handle - getting it in and out of the garage.
Maybe I just stick with the two boards I have. Cheaper that way also;-)
To take walks along the coast in the Sea, would it be a bad idea to buy the Starboard Touring Starlite model? I love the design of that board ... another option would be to buy the Starboard Generation ASAP model (I want my sup to be very resistant) ... but I am afraid that the Generation in 12.6x30 ASAP is too slow and heavy. Even if it's for walks along the coast, the sea in my area is a fairly calm sea.
The new SB Touring 14x28 will be good to close the Generation-Allstar-Gap. Starlight is bulletproof, you don’t need ASAP or Litetech. Starlight 2022 looks outstanding good blue+pine
@@surfncurtis Thank you very much, I am glad that the Starlite finish is so resistant, I think the Starboard touring starlite will be my next board. Thanks!
The Starlite construction is very strong, but it can be heavy as well. I’d say it’s a great choice for what your looking for though. Thanks
@@SUPboardermag Very nice thank you very much!
A real Carbon HYPR GUN in production for 12 years ....which the Generation "borrows" from would be a lot faster and nimble.. and LIGHTER - ua-cam.com/video/0Ww8D8i5PJ8/v-deo.html
Any suggestions for weights around 120 for racing/day touring?
Hi, for a hard board.
It all depends on what boards you have paddled before.
The width will be the deciding factor. A board that we know many paddlers have is the Starboard Composite Touring board 14' x30" offers good stability and speed for it size. It will work well in most conditions if not to rough water. Any help ? Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag thank you,
also how it would compare to the new 29 Gen R?
Let’s not forget about the esthetics.
Both of these boards will appeal to opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to looks.
If the performance is very similar then the best board is the you love to paddle.
In my opinion one is extremely ordinary looking and the other extremely aggressive looking.
Any board can be “used” for anything, at the end of the day if you budget is NOT an issue, go for the one that looks coolest to you 🏄
They both have their pros and cons, but essentially can be used for similar disciplines. Thanks for the comment.
For me the dug out concept will turn all other SUPS into "Blackberries" over the next 2y... SO much better, speed/balance mix, worth any con listed in this video.
That's a good analogy!
Great video as always but the generation boards are not as good as hypr. Shame they copied them.
This is the ORIGINAL GUN that HYPR Hawaii has been making for 12 years ... The Generation is a clumsy copy of the ORIGINAL - ua-cam.com/video/OsSyZ9bvnOo/v-deo.html
You mean they all copied fairly standard and known hull designs in boats? Right?
Seems nobody here surfs, if you just want to go fast in a straight line, a Surfski wins every time.
That's very true. A surf ski is very fast, but if you want to stand up then a race board is the next best thing. Thanks, Beau
Cloned hypr board design. Buy an original...buy a hypr