Orchestration for Pros - How To Score Music For Film Part 1
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- In this episode of Everything Music we will explore how to write and arrange for full orchestra. I will do a detailed analysis of a cue from Toy Story 3 called "The Claw" that was written by Randy Newman and the orchestration by Jonathan Sacks. This is one of my favorite film scoring cues and it is one of the most exciting and powerful scenes in any movie for kids. I will explore all sections of the orchestra brass, strings, woodwinds and percussion through a series of mock ups I created for this episode.
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Being a "composer" myself, this blew my mind.
Seeing this soundtrack being deconstructed just expanded my mind as what is possible, and the shuttle things you can do. This completely convinced me to where to direct my life / career.
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I'm so glad to find channels like yours that provide VERY high-quality content without trying to water music theory down.
Hi Rick! I'm totally amazed by this section of your videos and I can't wait to see more. Breaking down certain compositions and videos of you composing are unbelievably helpful in learning. Best greetings!
AWESOMENESS!!! looking forward to part 2! thank you RICK! YOU ROCK!
Just rewatched this again. I LOVE this video, so edifying. Thank you!
I love your score breakdowns---so much information here! (My main Randy Newman recollections: the score for 'The Natural' and. of course, 'Short People'.)
Recently discovered your videos your knowledge in all aspects of music is amazing,thanks for helping me out,spreading the word.
your musical ear is divine Rick! will you do a video on how to practice transcribing ? more orchestration is also great.
Thanks Rick for another inspiring video! Love the Lydian sound !
Thank you for taking the time to create these videos! Very useful stuff.
Awesome explanation, thank you! I'd also love to see a lesson on how different sections / instruments contribute to the main melody, or what role they have, which ones should play what exactly, etc.
Amazing video Rick! Thank you so much for sharing.
Man i love this kind of videos, please keep doing orchestration stuff
This knowledge is a gift for which I am truly grateful. Thank you so much for sharing.
this is class, i cant wait for the harp episode!
Now this is an interesting video! Thanks, Rick!
great videos Rick, your stuff is really unique and valuable!
Wow, you have created a genius composer's helper in your son, how amazing is that!? Can you please work your magic on my musically talented yet intransigent children haha
Glad I subscribed. I'm trying to brush up on my theory and composition... Thank you!
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thank you so much Rick, very helpful, look forward to see the harp!
I'm composing a little for a short film I'm making. Your videos are quite helpful.
Wow... so all those mid range dissonances are what make so many film score sound so full and swell? Awesome stuff!
Shhh!!!
awesome insights. Thank you Rick!
Sounds so space-y.
I wonder if this cue was deliberately written to be very 'John Williams space theme'-esque, because of how the claw that saves all the characters is operated by the alien toys...
If you like this you'd definitely like John Williams's E.T. Its very close to the flying theme at the end.
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This is incredibly helpful! Thanks.
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hey thanks for the super helpful stuff - just thought id make a suggestion, what if you recorded video of the keyboard seperately, from above, and cut it into the frame somehow so you can see it the right way round... might be a bit of hassle and maybe unecessary, its not too difficult to just swap your visual understanding round, but it might free up some extra attention :)
Amazing! Thank you sir!!!
I love this so much. Thank you for your detailed analysis--these techniques will be super fun to try to apply to future compositions. Is there any chance you'd be willing to share the score you've written out as it lays on your keyboard? It'd be super helpful in reading along all the parts with the sheets while you explain your points about the instrumentation and how certain sections relate to other sections
Yeahhhhh finally! Thanks Rick XD👍
That trumpet cue and general orchestral color is SO similar to the end credits of Williams' E.T. Maybe just coincidence. But as I listened to that I thought...hey, I know that line! Still cool though!
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Holy cow, I love hearing that overtone.
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Learn so much every time I watch a video of yours...where did you find the toy story score?is there a way to get/purchase it?
Excellent!
This piece reminds me of Shostakovich: Grand Finale of the 5th Symphony and some parts of 7th Symphony.
Great video, Rick! Enjoyed it very much. Toy Story 3 was somewhat disturbing for me, but amazing music
Now...are you serious Rick? You wrote down all that beast-like orchestration only using your ear? I bet you can spot enemy aircrafts too!... So useful for the security of your country... 😂 So many thanks for this. One also lovely effect that i noticed even if I m not so sure for this is the «pass» that the choir give to the woodwind section that follows! It s amazing how the breathy sound of the human voice is followed by the breathy sound plus some extra movement of the woodwinds! Lovely... Thank you Rick... What a teacher... 💪
Great video
Actually makes orchestration exciting
thank you so much/ it is so interesting
Your samples are amazing! which libraries do you tend to use the most?
hi i'm jenny from korea
i want to learn about how to compose movie soundtrack but now i have no way and no idea of this
your channel is very impressed to me
and make me more challenging
when i get curious thing about that,can i ask question to you?
Please consider doing a review of Korngold, Rozsa or any Golden age composer.
Yes. I agree.
Thank You!!!!
Great software and sampler you seem to have. What are you using? I'm using Reason but I definitely do not have sound samples that realistic. What do you recommend?
Rick! I'd love to see you do a video on Hanz Zimmer breaking down his music :)
I already did.
Is the low clarinet really a bass? The lowest I've ever heard of a bass clarinet having extensions for is Bb 1, while that part goes down to A 1. The handwriting of the staff label is hard to make out with certainty, but I'd guess it says "contra."
Rick:The live excerpt sounds like live orchestra but your electronic version sounds about as close to live as I've heard. What software and what sample plug ins are you using?
Rick, what sample sound bank do you use for your mock up? Vienna? Eastwest? Native Instruments? Cinesamples?
Rick, the triplet stems without note heads (like in m. 5.2) is a shorthand to indicate that the notated rhythm is to be performed by repeating the pitches already notated in the measure. It sounds like you left them out of your mock-up. Thanks for the videos!
Robert actually had a few problems with that parts not playing back correctly. It was also not playing back in stereo and I couldn't figure out why. I have a new system that I'm just figuring out right now on a new computer. Some of the faster articulations were on a different midi track and when it was soloed it muted the midi track that those quicker notes were on. It was actually playing back when all the tracks around but not when I was soloing them I figured out later. One of the problems was that I erased my brass sound by accident right while I was making the video. I couldn't figure out how to fix. Haha!
Hey Rick! I really learn a lot from your videos and wanted to contribute to your channel in some way, but the patreon link doesn't seem to be working.
Woodwind: tremolos. Two non-adjacent notes quickly alternated like a trill.
Did you ever do a video with a harpist? I looked but didn't find it.
Orchestrating is kind of like synth layering in edm music :D
It's exactly like that. Change the sound to a synth, add some arpeggio, and you have EDM :)
haha yeah!! that's exactly how I felt!
Awesome, as usual! But there is a little error at 01:10
Fixed it! It will take an hour to take effect. Thx!
Is there a part 2? I cant find any on the channel
Hi Rick, where did you get the full score for it?
hey rick. what software do you use for writing and playing orchestral music?
mb u try to do this on better plugins? in 2017
Hey Rick, could you put up the MIDI of your mock up? That'd be super helpful
Thanks for this video! These brass major 7 / #4 harmonies are crucial!
What are your(anyone reading this comment) experiences with ear training? I seem to get very smal returns for the time I spend on out of context interval recognition and scale singing exercises, in contrast to recording songs(both pre-written and experiments), learning different instruments and figuring out what's happening in other people's songs.
Leonard Dyrkorn I think you have an incorrect, or rather, incomplete idea of ear training. Transcribing songs and melodies by ear IS ear training, since you have to recognise the notes and the intervals (if you're figuring out a chord or harmonisation) in a song. It is definitely more enjoyable than just sitting in front of a piano playing intervals, though I feel it has its uses, especially for beginners who are not yet able to discern and analyze two or more notes playing at the same time. Plus, like any kind of training, it keeps you in shape if you do it regularly even for just a couple of mins.
I might have talked into the wind a little... My point was that I seem to get more in return from stuff that also trains your ear, but are less like running laps, like figuring out how other people's song are put together and building my own. And I was wondering what other people think or feel like benefit them.
Ultimately I guess what you should do will be boiled down to purpose and motivation
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Hey Rick what libraries do you use on this? Thank you for breaking it down for us . Dylan is your son ? Perfect pitch?
Hi Itzhak- I am using some East West and Spitfire audio sounds. I have a new setup that I haven't fully set up yet that will allow me to work faster so I can do more of these videos. Rick
Yes, Dylan is my son.
Any chance to get the music sheet?
I now associate the word 'Lydian' with this channel. Great video though.
Not sure the harp is a 'percussion' instrument, it's a plucked string instrument. The strings are nothing like as taut as a piano.
Harp is often referred to as perc, tho firstly a string
Hi Rick, great videos with useful advice, I'm wondering about how you mix something like that as when I put together ideas not even half as complex or dissonant the mix gets muddy really quick or things get lost in there?
Well, the big question for me is: do you transcribe these by ear or do you have access to some kind of way of putting your hands on original movie scores? They are incredibly rare to find published.
+palmomki Most of my videos that I've made have been by ear. The last video I did on the orchestral sketch I had John Williams eight stave score.
Thank you for replying!
My impression is that to get to such a level of skill in transcribing you need to have quite a lot of experience in orchestrating and how different textures sound, do you agree?
When transcribing, I'm always worried I might be missing some note in the maze of the harmonics and timbres, that there might be some low dynamics notes that don't stand out very much but make a difference etc.
For example, how where you able to transcribe the string portion in this video (around 15:00/16:00 for reference)?
I'd wonder how it's possible to know that, for example, there are exactly three bassoons, and that in the first chord, two of them are on the bottom octave and one is on the top. I can't imagine that given a second recording that is identical except with two bassoons on top and one on bottom, anyone would be able to identify which is which with a better accuracy than random chance. Or maybe the way some people hear these things is so different from how I do that I can't comprehend it.
How do u get the score??
I can hear an "ahhh" choir in the first chord mixed in.
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"You find them in violas" any other violists get excited there?
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Sounds like E.T
Sounds like ET was the temp track ;)
I love the way your prononce SAX its sound more like sex hahahah Love you video I am a fan
hey Rick how old are you?
I'm 54.
The lower brass section sounded like it could have been written for an organ.
You get dissonance if you have sex?
Any composer who can't orchestrate his own music is nothing more than a 3rd rate hack. Of course, what do you expect from someone who wrote such a stupid song like "Short People"? This Newman certainly doesn't live up to the achievements of his more famous relatives. BTW - Bernard Herrmann had the same opinion of wannabe composers like this.
so irrational