The Orchestration Method that ALWAYS Works
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- Alain Mayrand joins me to explain how to orchestrate from 4-part writing.
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Joined scoreclub a few months ago because of your feedback to Alain's Orchestrating the Line. Indeed gorgeous courses!
Another happy ScoreClub recommendee here. I've also gotten a lot from the counterpoint courses, and am looking forward to the courses on motivic and modal mastery.
Intetesting...what tools do I need?
hope you don't mind too much
if i took liberties on your melody
and transform it into what i
title as Dracula Waltz.
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wish you and yours a great wonderful future
I am self-taught and started with four-part writing to learn harmony and voice leading. It's the basis for everything I write to this day, even if it gets jazzier. Greetings from Germany.
Also self taught, I just test chords to see if they sound right. Haven’t written much though.
Welche Software benutzt du um so etwas umzusetzen? Ich habe schon eine DAW und eine Software aber vielleicht gibt es so etwas auch speziell für ein Orchester.
@@enrajgro1723 Ich nutze Sibelius. Ich bin eher traditionell. Ich habe auch cubase, aber eher für Mixing und Recording.
Same here. I fell in love with Bach's coral pieces and his fugues, transcribing them for fun, studied Joseph Fux counterpoint, and that's given me enough chops to do whatever I want.
Favorite orchestrators are: Ravel, Respighi, Wagner, Korsakov and John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith
@@VictorToh3xvii it's good but far from getting anywhere near what they made in this video
Dynamics are more of an attitude than volume control!!! That’s soooooo insightful thank you!
Thank you so much for the tips! I’m trying to write a piece for my middle school orchestra, and this really helps out!
Excellent principles of orchestration taught here. I'd just like to mention that when doubling the bass line at the lower octave (with double bass, tuba, etc.) it's often good to simplify it, omitting some notes and inserting rests, as constant low doubling can sound ponderous and tiring. And you can use the entrances of a simplified doubled bass line, after giving it rests, for great expressive effect.
This is probably my favourite orchestration channel on the internet. High quality content and regular uploads 😀
First
1:53 Sounds cinematic just with this alone
3:13 Sounds cinematic-er just with THIS alone
3:58 All that was needed for this to sound cinematic was the French Horns only
4:22 Hard to tell the difference but it is playing and sounds cinematic-er-er
8:25 All that's needed is this
9:19 I walked into heaven
11:04 The moving lines made me think of Squid Games
12:16 I died
if by cinematic you mean played by orchestra...
LOL, well said. I'm amazed how much these guys know about orchestration and how much sense it makes. I just wish I had found this out sooner in my life.
@@AndewMole he means like an orchestral soundtrack
This video works PERFECTLY as a complement to 'How to write epic cinematic music' video you made a while back. Brilliant way to present orchestration. Often, starting simple really brings out the best (and most complex in some cases) final product! Great video Ryan, thank you!
Can you make more videos about orchestration that isn't this huge epic wall of sound? Here it's quite simple because you're using the whole orchestra, but in lighter passages you don't want a tutti, and making these choices about instrumentation and what lines to actually use isn't as simple
Listen to and follow the score for Bela Bartok s concerto for orchestra....everything you need or will need is there ! Thank me later !
@@odiajulius2349 We played this in my orchestra a few months ago. Such an amazing piece of music
I think in these cases it comes down to learning how to use your inner ear. Since there are fewer instruments, it's easier to tell which instruments are doing what and it's less immediately overwhelming to effectively score for a smaller group. Though you may not be doubling parts as much, enhancements will still be welcome - they'll just be a different kind of enhancement. You'll want to focus much more on the timbre of each individual line (rather than mechanically just trying to get the thing balanced), and getting away from the notion of "each family having the complete harmony individually" is a great way to expand your palette [sic] in that regard.
Did you find any good explanation on this?
A good explanation on how to get a simple orchestration from 4 part writing. BTW, the theme reminds of Rach concerto Nª3
Yep
This is truly grand stuff. I generally work the opposite way round, arranging orchestral music for 2 pianos, but this glimpse into orchestration was really fascinating and inspiring! Thank you!
I always said it in music school & I still say it when the topic presents itself: good voice leading is generally good music.
Honestly Alain approach and course is one of the best I've seen on the internet, especially for beginners
Hey Ryan, I really love this video. I normally use this method, however I have never seen before someone creating a part of a song from zero with it, so it's incredibly helpful to reaffirm the method and add New ideas. Alain is a great teacher, at sometime I'm gona have to buy his classes
This has to be one of my favorite videos so far! I learned a lot. Thanks to you Alain for taking the time to teach us this and to you Ryan for setting it up!
Ryan, that was Tremendous! Thank you so much for posting. You guys are really good.
The best orchestration vid I've seen on YT. So clear and simple. Bravo!
Awesome you got Alain for this great and super helpful video!
When I start writing an orchestral score, I've always started with the full layout, with all the instruments I think I might use, because I usually know what instruments I want to use as I'm going along, and if I end up not using an instrument at all, I just remove that staff when I'm done.
I always thought writing everything out this way before transferring it to a full orchestral score was just an extra step, but I can see how it might actually save time and simplify the process. I might have to give it a try.
Very clear presentation. I always love it when a video maker can take the mystery out of creative work and bring it down to earth. You show that anyone who wants to work at it can learn, through practice and persistence, what the professionals do. So thanks.
Oh My God I just replicated this exercise using Finale and am as the saying goes "mind blown!" I can not tell you how many years I've struggled with orchestration and frustration with the process. Now I can see that the old addage "less is more" is absolutely brilliant when applied using such a simple method to produce this kind of master piece.
Great video! Thanks Ryan and Alain. Scoreclub is an awesome resource.
Having Ryan to get Alain join in is mind blowing to me 😍
I have also taken many of Alain's classes. He is an outstanding teacher and scoreclub in fantastic!
Amazing video, clear and succint. Even starting with such simple melody and harmony, the orchestration gave everything incredibile depth. Gonna try this out
This is incredible, thank you for posting this. I went to school for music several years ago, and it's nice to be able to brush up on some skills relating to this field. Thank you!
Quick, short, and a wonderful clear explanation of the practical application of an often - at least the way it is taught - dry academic practice. Thank you!
Best video I´ve ever seen on orchestration. So clear. Thank you
Alain is an awesome instructor , musician and human being.
This video is a great reminder of why the skill of writing 4-part harmonies is so incredibly useful. 👍
Thank you for this, it will be super helpful in my future orchestration! Your videos are always so informative and inspiring.
Thank you so much, your videos really revolutionizing my composition
This is what I was looking for. Sadly my music studies ended up to the harmonizing part and never got a taste of orchestrating a track and this is a very good easy-to-follow practical example. As a math-oriented individual I love how each part just fits to create something so dramatic and beautiful from a very simple creative idea. Thank you for sharing generously your knowledge.
I’m also a fan of what Wendy Carlos called “selective note doubling”: Doubling on certain specific notes of a melody or bass line to give it extra color or spice. It’s a little like using brass or woodwinds as percussion!
Wow, I’ve been greatly blessed by this lecture. Thanks🙏
Beautifully demonstrated! Thank you!
We need more videos like this!!
This is the video I’ve been looking for. Amazing information.
Your timing is impeccable. I am in the process of composing a piece where this works beautifully.
The horn section by itself is the best part.
Great video, thanks Ryan!
Well done. There is real teaching provided here. I recognize that, at the core, there really is no such thing as being completely self taught. Formal and informal education play important roles in the learning process. And this content significantly contributes. Many thanks!
Great collab! I’ll be checking out the course for sure.
Do more like this tutorial, please! Very informative and useful!
Thank You Very Much!🙂🙏
Alain is soooooo good! And you let me right to his course. It's like casting your first level 9 spell.
the melody reminds me alot of the 3rd rachmaninoff piano concerto
Yes!
Man that's awesome! Thank you! I hope video on harmonization will come out soon!
Alain Mayrand is the best teacher in music! Straight to the point orchestration!
This has really helped me. Thank you!!!
Epic and clean approach.
Wow! Just wow! Exactly what I needed right now
Fantastic, as always.
love your videos, always inspiring and informative.. love from Lebanon
Thanks! Very informative! I started orchestration as a part of wind and brass band conducting minor and worked a lot with SATB, this video gave me some answers on a questions I had and ideas to develop going from 4 voice orchestral sketch.
Amazing video, thank you so much for sharing all these knowledges !!!!!
I am a self-taught and this is the first time I am hearing about four part writing, thank you. I will dive more into it and try to apply it
Thank goodness for my church organ playing days! I could never have come to good SATB writing and a good SATB repertoire any better way. It's all literally under my fingers, and serves as a reference point for understanding more complex arranging. Then throw in jazz harmonic arranging in there, both vocal (e.g. Take 6, Jacob Collier) and big band, and you're ready for anything.
honestly thank you very much for this video. it gave me clarity about composing. thankyou!
This was amazing - thank you! For someone who already has music knowledge, I’ve never used or looked at a DAW and this has given me the confidence to start exploring my creative side! Appreciate your style 🙏
This is such great stuff. Thank you!
Excellent video, thanks 😊
I think clarinets are useless at the tessitura for which they are written. It's impossible to hear them because of the trumpets playing ff a higher tessitura than the clarinets. With a mass of brass, it's advisable to tighten up the wind instruments and have them play in a higher tessitura than the brass instruments. Maybe I'm wrong and you were looking for a special effect by writing the clarinets so low in the tessitura?
It's a mistake made by so many, and taught by so many. All the woodwinds are melody instruments. I'd be giving them the soprano line and the alto line (but adjusted to there are a decent amount of third or sixths) to _every_ pair of woodwinds in a suitable octave. At this loud volume, it would be flutes pretty high, clarinets into the upper register, oboes around C5, and bassoons around A3. This mid and low brass completely cover the middle harmony parts, and the low strings and brass deal with the bass line. If there really has to be a bass line in the woodwinds, I'd add a bass clarinet.
I played brass in a wind band, we always had to play super quiet since woodwind couldn't cope. Best avoid the clash
Super helpful, thank you!
Great video! Thank you for sharing.
Wonderful, thank you for this!
I'm partial to Rimsky-Korsakov's philosophy that "orchestratio IS composition!" That is, you should be thinking of how the music sounds when you compose it, not thinking up a melody, or even a passage on the piano, to then orchestrate. As you learn in 8university orchestration courses, not every piano work can be orchestrated and sound good
I love this kind of videos
As a beginner who isn't at orchestration level yet, I would LOVE to have a discussion on this particular harmonization of this melody, it sounds really pretty to me and it's clearly not just picking the default chords - there is clearly stuff going on. Just to examplify my confusion/curiousity: the last three chords (including melody) form II - VI - V, which seems to be some unusual form of an imperfect cadence and since it's in D Minor, that means its a diminished chord.. and before there is also a half dimished chord...I mean just the last three chords and there is so much going on... I am so curious what thinking went into this, especially since to me it sounds absolutely amazing!
1st. I loved it without the ostinatos it had it's own character. 2nd: 4part harmony is the "Holy grail". Outstanding video every musician/composer should see this bravo
this video is sooo informative in powefull, thanks a lot !
This is so good!! Thanks
The first 10 seconds are amazing !!!
This was amazing! Thank you. (Also, first video and subscribed.)
Awesome stuff thanks for sharing.
ok this video just made my day thanks
Great video! The motif sounds a lot like Mvt 1 of Rachmaninoff's Third Piano Concerto !😂
I thought so too 😂
Very very very very good!
Thank you very much!
This is AWESOME STUFF 🎉 THANK YOU SO MUCH SIR 🎉
I'm 5 minutes in and have been following this as I write, it's so crazy how much it changed
Amazingly useful video. I didn't learn anything like this during 5 years of college with a music composing major. Why couldn't those years have been as productive as this short video?
because the college didn't engage me as a teacher?
@@JuanMariaSolare Obviously, but there's only one of you, sadly.
I will subscribe soon the education in this channel is truly world class God bless for sharing this with the masses
I enjoy your videos but wanted to give a special thank you for turning me on to Alain and Score Club. No pain, All gain. Supercharged my composition skills in very little time.
Great video, thank you!
A very useful concept for ALL composition
That was epic!!! 👏🏻👏🏻🙌
Gracias, this will be put to good use
Oh my goodness, I thank the Universal consciousness which showed me this video in youtube, from many years I was wondering about this how a 4 part writing helps in Orchestration. Really Golden piece of info. Thanks would be a very small word to show my gratitude for this video. Many thanks Ryan! Expecting more videos like this in your channel :)
Great content, thank you
That was interesting, thank you!
Thank god someone's talking about four-part writing!
I got to this video being afraid of stumbling with another "quick tip video"
Great surprise!
Really insightful - many thanks - subscribed!
This was brilliant.
Great lesson.
Love the pragmatism of this video. Wish I had seen this when I started writing my first orchestration about a year ago. Any chance you can do a video on the practical range of each instrument in the orchestra?
This was incredibly helpful. I'm currently working my way through the "Tonal Harmony" textbook, which has a lot of emphasis on 4 part writing. It's often a very dry journey through the text and exercises ... but the approach laid out by Alain demonstrates that mastering the skill of good SATB writing is a worthwhile investment of time, and can really facilitate and demystify the challenge of orchestration.
Nice technic.
Very rach3 melody.😊
Great advises!!!
Great video guys! I quite liked that overlapping divisi idea (1/2 V1 melody 8va, 1/2 V1 on melody, 1/2 V2 melody, 1/2 V2 harmony) so that the melody gets a net full strings section. Quite enjoyed Alain's Orchestrating The Line after Ryan turned me onto it last year!
Thanks! It was interesting!
Wow! Eye opening.