"I thought they were going to talk about Inkling, but I guess we'll end it here [while they're still talking]." *Nintendo goes on to fully explain Inkling's every move and mechanic.* They missed a lot in total, as the stream continued for quite a bit longer. However, the rate of info drops over time was fairly low so it wouldn't've been great for live reactions the whole time. This end point was fine, really.
Matt the clones (aka echo fighters) have never taken up a slot and they made it even more clear now that they don't have their own number anymore. They are calling them echo fighters so that people won't be worried about them taking up a slot.
To be fair some characters don't have enough going for them to work as a fully fledged character, like Bomberman for instance. That said _Where is my playable Midna Goddammit!?!_
Assist Trophies are bad, but Final Smash cameos are just as bad. Chrom is still Yamcha-ing there in the floor and Best Girl Kumatora is still second fiddle for Crybaby Ness.
Holy shit will Pat "Boogerface" Bolvin listen to the Japanese man in the screen. Ridley took big damage because he was charging his special and Mayro jabbed him in the mouf.
Gäus I know this is an old comment but exactly, I hate the mentality. Matt saying people like toon link are “wastes of a slot” (not that I particularly care for them), as though there’s some magical limit that prevents them from adding other characters and they went “we’ll choose them instead”.
+ImmaLittlePip I am so satisfied. Seeing the new Fire Emblem made me teary. It's exactly what we have longed for. It looks amazing. In regards of Smash, I'm all good! It including every single character ever automatically makes it the best Smash for me. It's so GOOD! I'm very glad with the many changes too. The Ridley thing was so good too! I screamed when I saw it. I've never screamed from a reveal & announcement before so that was nuts! I never expected to see any MP4 & Bayo 3 footage. Nintendo stated like a month or so ago they would be focusing on 2018 titles. Their first party exclusives will be shown at a later date, I'm all good. I can wait after seeing what I will be playing from Nintendo this year. Super Mario Party was awesome to see. I was really hoping to see one release this year. This direct was nothing but satisfying for me. I understand people's disappointment but y'know, keep your expectations low. Always, just in case.
They also didn't notice that the perfect guards are actually really different, instead of it just being in the startup frames of your guard it has to be after you end it which makes it more difficult to do and hopefully will make people more aggressive. It works really well in tandem with the dodge decay.
I've seen a lot of reaction videos where people are like "ARMORED CORE?... No?... What?". There was a huge missed opportunity for the trailer to point out that a lot of ex Armored Core people are actually working on it.
I believe it was a highly customizable and in depth mecha fighting game with a lot o possibilities for things like builds and strategies that's gained a cult following over the years.
Isaac Argesmith | Not only that, but it was arguably FromSoft’s biggest and most notable flagship before the Souls series came and ruined everything by being good and making more money.
Matt, my dude, Nintendo don't need to show games that aren't ready to be shown. They'll just pop up a Nintendo Direct in a few months or whenever they've got something tangible to show.
It's like people said in the other conferences. They complained when Anthem doesn't look perfectly finished, but complain when a game that's not done isn't shown, even when we know the game is really far from release. It's infantile.
people just want things to be rushed. But be PERFECT THO. And if it's not people complain. WHY DID YOU RUSH IT THO. But.... but.... This is the world we live in.
Why the hell was Woolie trying to say Ultimate is just an update to Smash 4 near the end, way after tons and tons of confirmation that this is a whole new title?
Because he was upset that it didn't have EVERYTHING he wanted, 6 months from launch, and needed to justify it to himself, because he knows it's stupid to feel like he did about it.
I think its because people are so used to such drastic changes from one smash to the other that, even with all the changes, this game still seems like it looks, feels is presented like, and plays a lot more like smash wiiu than 64 does to melee, melee does to brawl, and brawl does to smash wiiu. Like it doesn't really have the same drastic overhaul from one game to the other that the other series games have, though that's not to say its very different from smash wiiu in its own right.
Jason That's a he'll of an assumption, Matt and pat seemed more disappointed than anyone. I mean look at it this way as the person above said people are used to drastic changes beyond new installments of the series. You also have to consider things like marvel vs capcom 3 and Ultimate marvel vs capcom 3 exist so it's natural for woolie to assume this is a version of the same game with tweaks like umvc.
That’s what I’m arguing here - they’re bringing back and tweaking so many things - and all I see is Matt and Pat pouting about not getting a new shiny. There’s still so much time till the actual game release, and even then further online DLC support! But nope, no new character other than Inkling and Ridley (and Daisy)? But I want my unlockable new people roster nowwwwwwwwwww. They’re judging a book by its cover and it makes me sad.
Two new characters, one new character with copied moveset and a shit ton of revamped and rebalanced characters from like 10 years back. By numbers alone, I don't know how much more they could've stuffed into this thing. People should really keep in mind that these are not all of the characters, they'll probably announce more before december and release DLC afterwards and even at this state there's like 10 characters more than in smash 4 with all of the DLC.
That was just Other M, which was really out of character for her. She hates Ridley, but she doesn't go into catatonic shock everytime she sees him anymore.
Honestly young link should just be a pallet swap of toon link. People are furious b/c they are taking up slots where they could just be skins. Entire. Slots.
I'm not gonna have the same slot argument from 2006 but I'll go over it quick and say I seriously doubt that is how the game is developed. I can't imagine sakurai sitting in a chair thinking "okie doke only room for one more character. Hmmm wonder red or dark pit what to do". Popping a unique character into a game isn't quite as simple as making a 3rd link or a 2nd pikachu lol. I get it looks shitty and its pretty lame and all that stuff but its not the end of the world and certainly not worth getting upset about. If street fighter 5 had a roster of 70 characters I'd be able to live with ryu evil ryu and young ryu
I feel like you guys' disappointment in the lack of new characters is pretty premature. There's still 6 months before the game comes out. Plenty of time to announce more characters. Not to mention...there's probably going to be DLC.
I mean I’m under the impression the Switch will be Nintendo’s de-facto console for a good long while, and by establishing Smash now, it opens up the possibility to have further support from them in additional content for the future. I totally agree that the lack of new is premature. If anything I’m just happy it’s more than just a Smash WiiU port and includes so much more. There’s time till the actual release, and they displayed a lot of their cast, so that also promotes the possibility that they’re near-done with the main cast and can focus on new additional content since the target primary cast is done or near-done. TL;DR - Basically, I think they’re judging a book by its cover right now and it makes me sad.
That was my thought since Nintendo actually started doing DLC. "Release Smash and Mario Kart right off the bat, then spend the entire console generation releasing DLC for them."
When they tell you specifically "hey don't get too excited about new characters there won't be a lot" I'm not expecting a lot. I'm expecting 5, counting Ridley, Daisy, and Inkling. (Before DLC at least)
DarthEnderX My dude saying a live reaction is premature is silly, of course it's premature, it's a live reaction of their current moods and opinions. As they have more time to think about it they'll come to the same conclusion.
To complain about a character that's similar but plays a bit differently would be to say the styles from MKX were dead slots. To be fair people played Meta stuff, but they did find interesting things about different styles after patches/over time. I'm not gonna say I'm super for clones, but if they had it setup as more of a "style" type system where this version of peach has better close up normals while daisy can control space better or vice versa while still retaining the general feel of the character I'm all for that. Also that roster is pretty large, I'm fine with a more or less the same roster to be honest, as long as they refine each character to be solid then that's a great launch point with the doors open for more in the future. Would you rather another Marvel Infinite with a subpar at best roster that was more focused on dlc than actually giving the consumer value for the initial purchase? We've already seen what that does.
From a competitive standpoint, the new Smash looks absolutely incredible. The Invitational gives you such a better picture of the game. The directional air dodges do signal the return of Wave Dashing, but unlike Melee where these were unique by character momentum physics, pretty much everyone is able to do it effectively, which is made even more insane by the fact that you can do literally anything out of a wave dash now. There was are also some obvious changes to character details, such as a general increase of frame data from most of the characters who needed it, slight changes in moveset like Ganon's which gives him large hitboxes, some increased speed for characters like Ike, etc. This game is definitely gonna be the most competitive since Melee, and is likely to be better overall due to a far more balanced roster. I'm hoping the changes made before it releases are marginal, but I'm absolute in love with the core mechanics.
nintendoluigi Totally possible. Nostalgia is a helluva thing. That said, I do think Melee fans (the non-rabid ones at least) as a whole are probably gonna be pretty happy with this game.
+GoldenHibiki I completely agree. This is exactly what I wanted from this new Smash. I'm not gonna be super competetive but I want the game to compensate my natural talent for having skills in gaming. (I have no talent other than being natural good at games, yay, worthless!). The Wolf changes was great for me. It looks like he will be one of my mains. As it currently stands, I am very very satisfied with everything I saw from this new Smash game. Amazing stuff. It's gonna be the best Smash for me and the game is gonna last MANY MANY years until the next Nintendo Switch replacement get a new Smash. I expect a lot of DLC characters so while we only got two and a half new character this time, there is no reason for us to assume we won't get any more. I fully expect something from XC2. We did get every single character ever made in this Smash so we are literally not allowed to complain about the current lack of new characters. Ridley is the best one they could ever have implemented. Amazing.
well, players have been saying wavedashing is a no go, and more like wavelanding since you can't air dodge instantly out of a jump. Bayonetta is still broken seen in the invitational and many players are expecting big changes since sakurai adressed the build as not final and saw a few bugs during the invetational. fingers crossed.
Franchezco Lamont Bayo on a low ceiling green greens against Ridley's giant hurtbox is still broken, but looked like Zero was able to escape the combos easier than in 4 on a more standard stage with a smaller character. She'll still be good for sure, but I'm not suuuper worried
I would normally say that Smash fans are never happy with what they get, even if they begged for it for years, but... Now I'm starting to see that people are just never happy in general when it comes to Smash. Thank you for tempering your expectations, Woolie.
Did anyone else catch the guy saying that when Link doesn't have any damage percent, he fires a sword beam on his regular attacks? Small detail but one I definitely appreciate and I think adds a small amount of playability to Link
If you take a look at the direct feed capture of DBFZ Switch that's out there on the web, you'll see that the game actually runs beautifully at a rock solid 60 FPS. The game is actually really lightweight anyway despite appearances.
Perfect shielding actually is different. In previous games perfect shielding kinda acted like anime fighters where blocking at frame perfect timing would negate chip damage (or shield damage in this case). In this game perfect shielding occurs for a split second after you release shield and acts like Street Fighter 3's Parry mechanic. Basically any attack you block with a perfect shield can be countered with an attack of equal value or lower. Say you perfect shield a forward smash, doing so will let you counter with a forward smash or anything with less lag than a forward smash.
"An Armored Core sequel has been rumored for ages, but has failed to appear, so a breakaway group headed by former AC developer Kenichiro Tsukuda is stepping into the fray. His vision can basically be summarized as "Armored Core with destructible environments," and while it doesn't have quite the same amount of crazy customization as FromSoftware's games, you can still carry a host of weapons, from laser swords to bazookas. You can also unlock new mechs, pick armor, and customize for durability, mobility, and more. "
Ridley picks up the character and throws them on top of Samus who has been perpetually pinned to the ship. Final Smash continues, Ridley still gets to kill Samus.
Here's my theory. Norman being in this game is supposed to trick us into believing he's the main villain. But, he's not. Who is the one that first brought together the Sinister 6? Doctor Octopus. He's the one that Mr.Negative is talking about when he says he wants him alive. The guy that appeared at the end was actually Hobgoblin. Yuri did say that 5 of Spider-Man's enemies escaped. The 5th one could be Hobgoblin.
So, there was a popular leak recently that said Ice Climbers, Ridley and Simon Belmont were getting added. And with Ridley being confirmed, and Konami clearly being back in with Snake and Bomberman, I’m really hoping the Simon thing is also true. He’s my #1 character pick.
You're missing the most important aspect of all bringbackprerenderedbackgrounds. With Simon, Pit and Mega Man all in the same game, we'll only be one Captain N costume for the Mii Gunner away from finally fulfilling the prophecy!
I think they should milk it at least a little. Like I said, a Mii Gunner outfit would appropriate(when they want to reference something, but don't actually want to put anything of substance in the game, they go with Mii costumes). Besides that, I'd want to see King Hippo and Eggplant Wizard as Assist Trophies.
@@TheGrizzlo503 Maybe but these guys had a special dynamic and have been together making videos for years. Ive been into them since 2014. Now imagine, 5 years, new video every week Weekly podcast Occasional stream Social Media Conventions And when they come to town you can chill and hangout. Heck ive seen more of these guys than some of my own family. I have a Skullgirls X Chibi Best Friends poster framed in my room (before it was taken down from SharkRobot) and not because im the most loyal diehard fan but because I liked it and think its cool. So. Point being try to understand the perspective of long time fans.
pat looks at all the characters from the legends and history of xenoblade 2 talking and fighting in the war from the history of xenoblade 2. "is this a sequel or a prequel?"
Holy shit, it does not take any time to bring Characters like Lucina or Dark Pit back. They were literally already made, and transferring them would take an absolutely inconsequential amount of time. If you were to not bring back Dark Pit, Lucina, and Roy, you would have maybe, MAYBE 1/50th of a brand new character done. It's so needless and pointless and just removes characters for no good reason besides "muh salty and wonder red though". Just because they're on the character select screen doesn't mean they took away your precious slot. And instead of them being alt costumes, what the actual hell is the harm in just having them there as a selectable character with tweaked stat? I guarantee the implementation of Pichu and Young Link is going to take an inconsequential amount of time as well. In short; stop being piss babies, Matt and Pat. Though specifically Matt.
Chad Serrant They're still considered Clones, no matter how you try to sugarcoat it with "different stats". LOTS of people would rather see Clones disappear for good.
Oh yeah, lots of people. Sure. How about you stop sugarcoating your salt, Paulo? How many times do people have to teach slotbungos like yourself this lesson?
People wouldn't be happier if clones were gone, they wouldn't notice because they don't care. If somebody is happy Daisy is in then great, I'd rather have them than nothing.
I love how they thought Sakurai would just reveal every new character for the game in this video. Also how can you not remember Star Wolf being in Zero when you fight him several times throughout the game?
As much as I love Smash, and like that was a huge chunk of the show was dedicated to it, (RIDLEY) I wanted some more games. Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime 4, Mario Maker, and other surprises. Oh well, next year.
DrScaphandre Actually, they're planning on revealing more games during the fall when Super Mario Party is set to come out. Can't show everything, otherwise it WOULD take way too long, and most of the games probably would look like shit...
He'd make for a perfect sort of control character akin to snake or duck hunt. He's able to throw bombs, place them, have them blow up in regular ball explosions, have them do that weird cross thing and diagonal x explosion thing, he can carry them, charge them up to be bigger for larger radius explosion. He has stuff going on and on top of this he could maybe use blocks from his games as barriers that he throws for all we know too to further push the control aspect. Not to mention Bomberman's multitude of animal buddies and the various characters he could borrow abilities from as well. On top of this he could also do like how pacman does for namco and represent konamis older style games. He could have gradius based moves as well like how pacman has gallaga attacks, he could release a jumping frogger onto the stage that moves around in ways that forces enemies into positions for his bombs, he could use the gun from contra as a sort of basic harassment gun like fox or falco. Maybe even a reference to something stupid like Parodius for jokes. Like he could throw one of the Parodius paper airplanes and little blue men could jump off it as a form of aerial harassment. They could even reference 3d classics like legendary ninja goemon too. You could even get a cute Snake codex call about it. Even if you dont want to have him represent konami like that since he wasnt original konami, you could have him represent old hudson games like how duck hunt represents something more specific like light gun games. He could use an enemy from adventure island or the skateboard. He could deflect projectiles like how the kid in the bonk series did. Maybe even like have a regular attack referencing something from a lesser known one off game like how pacman can pull out Mappy in one of his attacks. Heck Hudson worked on some nintendo games I think so you could even reference that. Like they worked on a lot of nintendo's games so they could actually reference that they worked on them if they really wanted to. Heck you could get a cute Kid icarus god speak conversation joke about it. Maybe even a star fox codex about it too.
It's confirmed that there's also hazardless forms for stages. For instance, Frigate Orpheon won't rotate, Lylat Cruise won't tilt, the platforms on Kongo Falls won't shift when you step on them (and the Barrel Cannon is gone)...
"youtube is really bad at (fitting the screen)" imagine not having a different overlay, or not using one of a number of browser extensions which let you make youtube fill the window at any size
About smash, Nintendo is always notoriously secretive. What they showed at E3 isn't the final game. There likely will be one or two other characters they wait until later in the year to reveal. They will also have around five months to fine tune things, and make additions.
i haven't played a smash game since melee on gamecube but i would really like to get a switch to play this new one. it looks awesome! so crazy to see a "wrecking crew" stage, like i doubt most people even know what that game is these days lol.
Note that characters like Dr. Mario and Young Link are NOT marked as Echo characters. Also I noticed Pichu can cause a stun during the trailer against Marth. And Ganondwarf has armor moves along with Ike >w>
With a Smash roster this big, I really wonder what it means for the future of the series. There is zero chance this is going to be the last Smash game. Maybe the last one for a little while, but there's no way it will be the last one. What happens with Smash 6? Will TONS of characters then be cut to make way for newer ones? Will more characters be added on top of all of the ones already in the game? I figure by that point, there's plenty of development time after all these characters have been put back into the game. Even if returning, the characters coming back are pretty much 'new' characters in terms of being coded and all that, I don't know if a new Smash game would mean new coding for every single character, but I am really curious where it will go.
Why do people complain about "taking up slots" as if there's a finite amount of slots. Clone characters don't even take that much time to implement either.
Sub-Zero being *slightly* more "family friendly" maybe? An ice ninja just seems to fit than more than a Hell ninja. Of course neither make sense for that, but it's the best theory I got.
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"That's not new" they say, talking over the description of the changes
18:35 Okay I'm happy I wasn't the only one who laughed at Sakurai's trolling.
Literally ALL THE WARRIORS ARE HERE!!
Sakarai: The echo fighters do not take up an extra slot.
Matt: Do they take up an extra slot?
Woolie: Oh yeah, extra slot for sure!
My favorite part was when Sakurai powerbombed Deep Cuts off the top of the cage
Personified134 it powerbombed out of existence.
It's weird how right everyone in that was... but also how wrong they were too.
Woolie attempts to invoke Crazy Talk
Inaccurate Prophecy and invokes it upon himself as well
Inaccurate Prophecy "They're not custom characters"
I'm not sure how he got that from character voices.
"I thought they were going to talk about Inkling, but I guess we'll end it here [while they're still talking]."
*Nintendo goes on to fully explain Inkling's every move and mechanic.*
They missed a lot in total, as the stream continued for quite a bit longer. However, the rate of info drops over time was fairly low so it wouldn't've been great for live reactions the whole time. This end point was fine, really.
and fails to invoke it.
@@SideswipePrime606 nah
Matt the clones (aka echo fighters) have never taken up a slot and they made it even more clear now that they don't have their own number anymore. They are calling them echo fighters so that people won't be worried about them taking up a slot.
And I was right! Not counting echos, we have 4 new fighters with more to come, and with echos we have 8 new fighters.
I think he meant having their own slot, or not like an alternate costume. He could've worded that better.
"Why is this assist trophy not a character?"
Welcome to smash bros!
My heart broke when I saw Krystal's trophy in the Fox trailer...
"No, I don't like this one character, so it should have been removed!"
To be fair some characters don't have enough going for them to work as a fully fledged character, like Bomberman for instance.
That said _Where is my playable Midna Goddammit!?!_
Assist Trophies are bad, but Final Smash cameos are just as bad.
Chrom is still Yamcha-ing there in the floor and Best Girl Kumatora is still second fiddle for Crybaby Ness.
+bringbackprerenderedbackgrounds 2k18 What a bad opinion.
“EVERYONE IS HERE!”
*Waluigi cries in the corner*
RyanKlip :(
*_GOOD, DEAL WITH IT!!_*
He's back as an assist trophy!
I have never been happier to see someone as just as an assist trophy
1. Lie down
2. Try not to WAH
3. WAH a lot
Holy shit will Pat "Boogerface" Bolvin listen to the Japanese man in the screen. Ridley took big damage because he was charging his special and Mayro jabbed him in the mouf.
Listening is a failure of the Best Friends.
Woolie. Woolie. Woolie. Pokemon Sun and Moon didn't have a grid in the slightest.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed
Yeah they just had uninteresting hallway routes and faike doors
Daisy does not" take up" a slot, because there is no such thing as "taking up a slot". There never was. There simply is no defined limit.
She's an echo fighter so the spot was already established.
Gäus I know this is an old comment but exactly, I hate the mentality. Matt saying people like toon link are “wastes of a slot” (not that I particularly care for them), as though there’s some magical limit that prevents them from adding other characters and they went “we’ll choose them instead”.
@@ryanklip24 ikr
"Imagine how much money fire emblem game of thrones would make"
It exists and its called genealogy of the holy war
They meant a Licensed GAME OF THRONES one. Where instead of Marth you play as Jon Snow.
Sun Wukong
Also some one should tell them that fire emblem did the free world roaming before (echoes shadows of valentia)
Yep! I'm glad someone else thinks that too.
It's got all the same bullet points, even the incest!
ImmaLittlePip the answer to expect is that they are wrong about everything.
Reminder how little these guys know about FE. I mean look no further on how much they get wrong when they were first playing #FE
I wanted fire emblem 16
I got fire emblem 16
I'm satisfied but I feel ya metroid fans
ImmaLittlePip fucking same.
I just wanted a release date for Smash so I'm even happier.
Kango234
I'm happy snake is back
That's all I ever wanted
Rip Lyn being a character
+ImmaLittlePip I am so satisfied. Seeing the new Fire Emblem made me teary. It's exactly what we have longed for. It looks amazing. In regards of Smash, I'm all good! It including every single character ever automatically makes it the best Smash for me. It's so GOOD! I'm very glad with the many changes too. The Ridley thing was so good too! I screamed when I saw it. I've never screamed from a reveal & announcement before so that was nuts!
I never expected to see any MP4 & Bayo 3 footage. Nintendo stated like a month or so ago they would be focusing on 2018 titles. Their first party exclusives will be shown at a later date, I'm all good. I can wait after seeing what I will be playing from Nintendo this year. Super Mario Party was awesome to see. I was really hoping to see one release this year.
This direct was nothing but satisfying for me. I understand people's disappointment but y'know, keep your expectations low. Always, just in case.
I love FE too but I wanted Metroid super hard lol
"They're not custom characters anymore!"
How is Woolie activating Crazy Talk?
Part 7 rules. Matt's hiding a Corpse part in Woolie's pocket.
The stand has evolved apparently. As long as Patt believes something said to be true, Crazy Talk can activate to make him wrong. Big Buff. Act 2 even.
CedRomet it evolved to affect other people
They also didn't notice that the perfect guards are actually really different, instead of it just being in the startup frames of your guard it has to be after you end it which makes it more difficult to do and hopefully will make people more aggressive. It works really well in tandem with the dodge decay.
I've seen a lot of reaction videos where people are like "ARMORED CORE?... No?... What?". There was a huge missed opportunity for the trailer to point out that a lot of ex Armored Core people are actually working on it.
Dryk How and what us armored core any way?
mech game by fromsoft
I believe it was a highly customizable and in depth mecha fighting game with a lot o possibilities for things like builds and strategies that's gained a cult following over the years.
Isaac Argesmith | Not only that, but it was arguably FromSoft’s biggest and most notable flagship before the Souls series came and ruined everything by being good and making more money.
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Matt, my dude, Nintendo don't need to show games that aren't ready to be shown. They'll just pop up a Nintendo Direct in a few months or whenever they've got something tangible to show.
It's like people said in the other conferences. They complained when Anthem doesn't look perfectly finished, but complain when a game that's not done isn't shown, even when we know the game is really far from release. It's infantile.
people just want things to be rushed. But be PERFECT THO. And if it's not people complain. WHY DID YOU RUSH IT THO. But.... but....
This is the world we live in.
@@severteran9897 ikr
Why the hell was Woolie trying to say Ultimate is just an update to Smash 4 near the end, way after tons and tons of confirmation that this is a whole new title?
Because he was upset that it didn't have EVERYTHING he wanted, 6 months from launch, and needed to justify it to himself, because he knows it's stupid to feel like he did about it.
I think its because people are so used to such drastic changes from one smash to the other that, even with all the changes, this game still seems like it looks, feels is presented like, and plays a lot more like smash wiiu than 64 does to melee, melee does to brawl, and brawl does to smash wiiu. Like it doesn't really have the same drastic overhaul from one game to the other that the other series games have, though that's not to say its very different from smash wiiu in its own right.
Jason
That's a he'll of an assumption, Matt and pat seemed more disappointed than anyone.
I mean look at it this way as the person above said people are used to drastic changes beyond new installments of the series.
You also have to consider things like marvel vs capcom 3 and Ultimate marvel vs capcom 3 exist so it's natural for woolie to assume this is a version of the same game with tweaks like umvc.
@@isaacargesmith8217 true
"I can't wait to jump out of a bang bus."- Reggie
Oh yeah what a shame that this roster of 60+ only gets two new characters.
And theres still a few more on the way
2 and 1/4 new characters
That’s what I’m arguing here - they’re bringing back and tweaking so many things - and all I see is Matt and Pat pouting about not getting a new shiny. There’s still so much time till the actual game release, and even then further online DLC support!
But nope, no new character other than Inkling and Ridley (and Daisy)? But I want my unlockable new people roster nowwwwwwwwwww.
They’re judging a book by its cover and it makes me sad.
Two new characters, one new character with copied moveset and a shit ton of revamped and rebalanced characters from like 10 years back. By numbers alone, I don't know how much more they could've stuffed into this thing.
People should really keep in mind that these are not all of the characters, they'll probably announce more before december and release DLC afterwards and even at this state there's like 10 characters more than in smash 4 with all of the DLC.
OrangeVision, so what you're saying is Subzero CONFIRMED. Nice.
In awe that Samus didn't just go catatonic upon seeing Ridley. How is this game even canon if nobody is in character? Jeez.
That was just Other M, which was really out of character for her. She hates Ridley, but she doesn't go into catatonic shock everytime she sees him anymore.
thebeav PercabethFTW (dont worry, was having a laff. Shoulda put a /s)
Oh ok. Nevermind then. Hard to tell sarcasm in comments.
Nintendo is too cowardly to make Samus the HUGE coward she should be!
THE BABY
I know people aren’t talking about it because of Smash, but I’m hyped for Daemon X Machina
I'll never understand people being furious about Link Young Link and Toon Link but being perfectly fine with Ryu Ken Akuma and Sean
I hope YL gets masks in some way
Because they're not Ryu, Evil Ryu, and Violent Ryu
Them being the same person (sorta) is kind of the issue
Honestly young link should just be a pallet swap of toon link. People are furious b/c they are taking up slots where they could just be skins.
Entire.
Slots.
I'm not gonna have the same slot argument from 2006 but I'll go over it quick and say I seriously doubt that is how the game is developed. I can't imagine sakurai sitting in a chair thinking "okie doke only room for one more character. Hmmm wonder red or dark pit what to do". Popping a unique character into a game isn't quite as simple as making a 3rd link or a 2nd pikachu lol. I get it looks shitty and its pretty lame and all that stuff but its not the end of the world and certainly not worth getting upset about. If street fighter 5 had a roster of 70 characters I'd be able to live with ryu evil ryu and young ryu
Nah, now that Link is changed, Young Link is for people that wanna play OG Link
I feel like you guys' disappointment in the lack of new characters is pretty premature.
There's still 6 months before the game comes out. Plenty of time to announce more characters. Not to mention...there's probably going to be DLC.
DarthEnderX My guess is it'll be anywhere between 5-10 new characters.
I mean I’m under the impression the Switch will be Nintendo’s de-facto console for a good long while, and by establishing Smash now, it opens up the possibility to have further support from them in additional content for the future.
I totally agree that the lack of new is premature. If anything I’m just happy it’s more than just a Smash WiiU port and includes so much more.
There’s time till the actual release, and they displayed a lot of their cast, so that also promotes the possibility that they’re near-done with the main cast and can focus on new additional content since the target primary cast is done or near-done.
TL;DR - Basically, I think they’re judging a book by its cover right now and it makes me sad.
That was my thought since Nintendo actually started doing DLC.
"Release Smash and Mario Kart right off the bat, then spend the entire console generation releasing DLC for them."
When they tell you specifically "hey don't get too excited about new characters there won't be a lot" I'm not expecting a lot.
I'm expecting 5, counting Ridley, Daisy, and Inkling. (Before DLC at least)
DarthEnderX
My dude saying a live reaction is premature is silly, of course it's premature, it's a live reaction of their current moods and opinions.
As they have more time to think about it they'll come to the same conclusion.
"And then Sub-Zero arrives and freezes Ridley"
Can you imagine? That would have been the biggest troll
To complain about a character that's similar but plays a bit differently would be to say the styles from MKX were dead slots. To be fair people played Meta stuff, but they did find interesting things about different styles after patches/over time.
I'm not gonna say I'm super for clones, but if they had it setup as more of a "style" type system where this version of peach has better close up normals while daisy can control space better or vice versa while still retaining the general feel of the character I'm all for that. Also that roster is pretty large, I'm fine with a more or less the same roster to be honest, as long as they refine each character to be solid then that's a great launch point with the doors open for more in the future. Would you rather another Marvel Infinite with a subpar at best roster that was more focused on dlc than actually giving the consumer value for the initial purchase? We've already seen what that does.
Woolie, Pokemon hasn't been on a grid since XY
well not exatly true. The only way to not move on a grid in xy was rollerscating. SuMo wasn't on a grid though.
Yeah I phrased it wrong. Everything after XY was off the grid. ORAS were free-roam with the sneaking and all.
From a competitive standpoint, the new Smash looks absolutely incredible. The Invitational gives you such a better picture of the game. The directional air dodges do signal the return of Wave Dashing, but unlike Melee where these were unique by character momentum physics, pretty much everyone is able to do it effectively, which is made even more insane by the fact that you can do literally anything out of a wave dash now. There was are also some obvious changes to character details, such as a general increase of frame data from most of the characters who needed it, slight changes in moveset like Ganon's which gives him large hitboxes, some increased speed for characters like Ike, etc. This game is definitely gonna be the most competitive since Melee, and is likely to be better overall due to a far more balanced roster. I'm hoping the changes made before it releases are marginal, but I'm absolute in love with the core mechanics.
nintendoluigi Totally possible. Nostalgia is a helluva thing. That said, I do think Melee fans (the non-rabid ones at least) as a whole are probably gonna be pretty happy with this game.
So in other words, rabbid melee players are going to call it too casual and play melee over it.
+GoldenHibiki I completely agree. This is exactly what I wanted from this new Smash. I'm not gonna be super competetive but I want the game to compensate my natural talent for having skills in gaming. (I have no talent other than being natural good at games, yay, worthless!). The Wolf changes was great for me. It looks like he will be one of my mains.
As it currently stands, I am very very satisfied with everything I saw from this new Smash game. Amazing stuff. It's gonna be the best Smash for me and the game is gonna last MANY MANY years until the next Nintendo Switch replacement get a new Smash. I expect a lot of DLC characters so while we only got two and a half new character this time, there is no reason for us to assume we won't get any more. I fully expect something from XC2. We did get every single character ever made in this Smash so we are literally not allowed to complain about the current lack of new characters. Ridley is the best one they could ever have implemented. Amazing.
well, players have been saying wavedashing is a no go, and more like wavelanding since you can't air dodge instantly out of a jump. Bayonetta is still broken seen in the invitational and many players are expecting big changes since sakurai adressed the build as not final and saw a few bugs during the invetational. fingers crossed.
Franchezco Lamont Bayo on a low ceiling green greens against Ridley's giant hurtbox is still broken, but looked like Zero was able to escape the combos easier than in 4 on a more standard stage with a smaller character. She'll still be good for sure, but I'm not suuuper worried
I would normally say that Smash fans are never happy with what they get, even if they begged for it for years, but... Now I'm starting to see that people are just never happy in general when it comes to Smash.
Thank you for tempering your expectations, Woolie.
Literally every character every and people will still complain.
@@TheNexDude and some new ones
Anyone disappointed by this e3 should remember that Smash was announced at some random direct.
Plenty more direct incoming this year too.
Did anyone else catch the guy saying that when Link doesn't have any damage percent, he fires a sword beam on his regular attacks? Small detail but one I definitely appreciate and I think adds a small amount of playability to Link
Also on Pat's comment about Melee feeling rushed and broken; is it confirmed that Pat is bad at Melee?
He isn't wrong entirely. Melee is a great game but characters like game and watch and roy are evidence of a rushed game
43:00 The internet would SELF DESTRUCT if Smash 5 came out today.
If you take a look at the direct feed capture of DBFZ Switch that's out there on the web, you'll see that the game actually runs beautifully at a rock solid 60 FPS. The game is actually really lightweight anyway despite appearances.
I mean the PC port can run at 60 FPS on a toaster. Anyone who thinks the Switch couldn't handle it was crazy.
As to be expected. Fighting games under 60FPS is actually unacceptable.
@@TheNinjaCrash ?
Perfect shielding actually is different. In previous games perfect shielding kinda acted like anime fighters where blocking at frame perfect timing would negate chip damage (or shield damage in this case). In this game perfect shielding occurs for a split second after you release shield and acts like Street Fighter 3's Parry mechanic. Basically any attack you block with a perfect shield can be countered with an attack of equal value or lower. Say you perfect shield a forward smash, doing so will let you counter with a forward smash or anything with less lag than a forward smash.
Guys you're letting your unwarranted disappointment cloud your vision. THERE'S NO KART IN SUPER MARIO PARTY! BLOODSPORTS ARE BACK!
Pat "I want Ryu, Akuma, and Ken to all be the same character" Boivin
kekon3 Get shin Akuma and On I and were good
Pat “Everyone is Gokus Now” Boivin
It would work.
Ryu, Ken and Akuma as one character? What you think this is? MvC1 Ryu?
From the studio that brought you Rat-king: Shoto-king.
Congratulations Ridley. You did what Bowser and Wily could never do.
"Little Mac will stay the same."
Mac actually has some changes. His side-b no longer kills you if you go off an edge with it, for instance.
I think he can still jump when he side B's so he can actually be a smash character
Exactly.
TPLT "We've removed Little Mac's legs."
Super Smash Bros 4.5 ALL THE WARRIORS.
"An Armored Core sequel has been rumored for ages, but has failed to appear, so a breakaway group headed by former AC developer Kenichiro Tsukuda is stepping into the fray. His vision can basically be summarized as "Armored Core with destructible environments," and while it doesn't have quite the same amount of crazy customization as FromSoftware's games, you can still carry a host of weapons, from laser swords to bazookas. You can also unlock new mechs, pick armor, and customize for durability, mobility, and more. "
I mean technically, MK _did_ do this in Armageddon; if a fighter wasn’t in that game, it was because they didn’t exist in the series yet.
41:30 we see [[[crazy talk]]] has a self-preservation aspect and stops working here bc the disappointment would literally kill him
K. Flynn [[[Crazy Talk]]] Second ability: I Believe.
In the idea of dedicated rivals, Ridley's cinematic smash should just be him blasting Samus regardless of the opponent's character pick.
kaizerdeath12 Well it is her ship mid flight. Who else would be piloting it?
Ridley picks up the character and throws them on top of Samus who has been perpetually pinned to the ship. Final Smash continues, Ridley still gets to kill Samus.
Just make it so that you cant fight ridley unless you pick samus period.
Venom is confirmed by Insomniac to NOT be in the game
Falconator Oh that's fine
Venom has been used way too much anyway.
Here's my theory. Norman being in this game is supposed to trick us into believing he's the main villain. But, he's not. Who is the one that first brought together the Sinister 6? Doctor Octopus. He's the one that Mr.Negative is talking about when he says he wants him alive. The guy that appeared at the end was actually Hobgoblin. Yuri did say that 5 of Spider-Man's enemies escaped. The 5th one could be Hobgoblin.
thebeav PercabethFTW No one cares for hobgoblin
Kidding
Good
"The waifu simulator doesn't work so good when they all just die of typhoid" - Pat
So, there was a popular leak recently that said Ice Climbers, Ridley and Simon Belmont were getting added. And with Ridley being confirmed, and Konami clearly being back in with Snake and Bomberman, I’m really hoping the Simon thing is also true. He’s my #1 character pick.
I don't know if this is true but I'm gonna believe it super hard and hope something happens
You're missing the most important aspect of all bringbackprerenderedbackgrounds.
With Simon, Pit and Mega Man all in the same game, we'll only be one Captain N costume for the Mii Gunner away from finally fulfilling the prophecy!
I think they should milk it at least a little. Like I said, a Mii Gunner outfit would appropriate(when they want to reference something, but don't actually want to put anything of substance in the game, they go with Mii costumes).
Besides that, I'd want to see King Hippo and Eggplant Wizard as Assist Trophies.
Thats kinda why I wish bosses from Subspace Emmisary would come back.
I don't care about the story, but I miss bosses.
Leopaldon.
Pats major contribution
"Oh, donkey Kong's there" lol
all the warriors
OniTri Studios :(
It's pretty sobering watching this back now, knowing that just a few months later these guys will no longer be together.
Time destroys everything.
TestAcct46 that’s pretty melodramatic for a fucking youtube let’s play channel lol
@@TheGrizzlo503 Maybe but these guys had a special dynamic and have been together making videos for years. Ive been into them since 2014. Now imagine,
5 years, new video every week
Weekly podcast
Occasional stream
Social Media
Conventions
And when they come to town you can chill and hangout.
Heck ive seen more of these guys than some of my own family. I have a Skullgirls X Chibi Best Friends poster framed in my room (before it was taken down from SharkRobot) and not because im the most loyal diehard fan but because I liked it and think its cool.
So. Point being try to understand the perspective of long time fans.
@@TheGrizzlo503 it’s fine
pat looks at all the characters from the legends and history of xenoblade 2 talking and fighting in the war from the history of xenoblade 2.
"is this a sequel or a prequel?"
Holy shit, it does not take any time to bring Characters like Lucina or Dark Pit back. They were literally already made, and transferring them would take an absolutely inconsequential amount of time. If you were to not bring back Dark Pit, Lucina, and Roy, you would have maybe, MAYBE 1/50th of a brand new character done. It's so needless and pointless and just removes characters for no good reason besides "muh salty and wonder red though". Just because they're on the character select screen doesn't mean they took away your precious slot. And instead of them being alt costumes, what the actual hell is the harm in just having them there as a selectable character with tweaked stat? I guarantee the implementation of Pichu and Young Link is going to take an inconsequential amount of time as well. In short; stop being piss babies, Matt and Pat. Though specifically Matt.
Its amazing how people still think character slots are an actual thing
It's doubly strange how Matt thinks Toon Link and Young Link work exactly like Link.
Chad Serrant They're still considered Clones, no matter how you try to sugarcoat it with "different stats". LOTS of people would rather see Clones disappear for good.
Oh yeah, lots of people. Sure. How about you stop sugarcoating your salt, Paulo? How many times do people have to teach slotbungos like yourself this lesson?
People wouldn't be happier if clones were gone, they wouldn't notice because they don't care. If somebody is happy Daisy is in then great, I'd rather have them than nothing.
I love how they thought Sakurai would just reveal every new character for the game in this video. Also how can you not remember Star Wolf being in Zero when you fight him several times throughout the game?
Pat: "Oh, everybody's here"
CASUALLY SAYS BEFORE FINDING OUT EVERYONE IS HERE.
Don't forget it's still being developed
Not only was waluigi confirmed as an assist trophy again, he got his shit rocked immediately
Actually the Wii U's gamecube controller adapter already works on Switch, and works with most games. I use it on Mario Kart 8 Deluxe all the time
nintendo remembers the vital art of just showing the fucking games
As much as I love Smash, and like that was a huge chunk of the show was dedicated to it, (RIDLEY) I wanted some more games. Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime 4, Mario Maker, and other surprises. Oh well, next year.
Wait for the games of 2019 direct
DrScaphandre Actually, they're planning on revealing more games during the fall when Super Mario Party is set to come out. Can't show everything, otherwise it WOULD take way too long, and most of the games probably would look like shit...
I really don't understand why people are so mad about Bomberman. He doesn't have enough going for him to make a full character.
bringbackprerenderedbackgrounds 2k18 personally I still think he's just boring of a pick
He'd make for a perfect sort of control character akin to snake or duck hunt. He's able to throw bombs, place them, have them blow up in regular ball explosions, have them do that weird cross thing and diagonal x explosion thing, he can carry them, charge them up to be bigger for larger radius explosion. He has stuff going on and on top of this he could maybe use blocks from his games as barriers that he throws for all we know too to further push the control aspect. Not to mention Bomberman's multitude of animal buddies and the various characters he could borrow abilities from as well.
On top of this he could also do like how pacman does for namco and represent konamis older style games. He could have gradius based moves as well like how pacman has gallaga attacks, he could release a jumping frogger onto the stage that moves around in ways that forces enemies into positions for his bombs, he could use the gun from contra as a sort of basic harassment gun like fox or falco. Maybe even a reference to something stupid like Parodius for jokes. Like he could throw one of the Parodius paper airplanes and little blue men could jump off it as a form of aerial harassment. They could even reference 3d classics like legendary ninja goemon too. You could even get a cute Snake codex call about it.
Even if you dont want to have him represent konami like that since he wasnt original konami, you could have him represent old hudson games like how duck hunt represents something more specific like light gun games. He could use an enemy from adventure island or the skateboard. He could deflect projectiles like how the kid in the bonk series did. Maybe even like have a regular attack referencing something from a lesser known one off game like how pacman can pull out Mappy in one of his attacks. Heck Hudson worked on some nintendo games I think so you could even reference that. Like they worked on a lot of nintendo's games so they could actually reference that they worked on them if they really wanted to. Heck you could get a cute Kid icarus god speak conversation joke about it. Maybe even a star fox codex about it too.
Loving Fool Bomberman easily does with all power ups. All of Captain Falcon's moves have nothing to do with his games.
It's confirmed that there's also hazardless forms for stages. For instance, Frigate Orpheon won't rotate, Lylat Cruise won't tilt, the platforms on Kongo Falls won't shift when you step on them (and the Barrel Cannon is gone)...
31:18 i think about Matt's delivery of "HE WILL DIE" all the damn time lmao
I had no expectations, so I'm happy.
Pichu is life.
aw man i just wanted the bois to freak out when they unveiled the third strike lookin ass perfect shielding
the perfect shield before happened when you press the shield button, now it happens when you release it
"youtube is really bad at (fitting the screen)"
imagine not having a different overlay, or not using one of a number of browser extensions which let you make youtube fill the window at any size
or going to ua-cam.com/users/tv
About smash, Nintendo is always notoriously secretive. What they showed at E3 isn't the final game. There likely will be one or two other characters they wait until later in the year to reveal. They will also have around five months to fine tune things, and make additions.
Laughing Man probably even more too.
Apparently I'm the only person in the world who recognized A Link Between Worlds Zelda right away.
i haven't played a smash game since melee on gamecube but i would really like to get a switch to play this new one. it looks awesome! so crazy to see a "wrecking crew" stage, like i doubt most people even know what that game is these days lol.
Note that characters like Dr. Mario and Young Link are NOT marked as Echo characters. Also I noticed Pichu can cause a stun during the trailer against Marth. And Ganondwarf has armor moves along with Ike >w>
Pat, wouldn't you be just a bit upset if the next SF or Guilty Gear just for some reason didn't work with a stick?
Man this E3 videos almost made me forget what games shown except for Devil May Cry 5
*Megaman and Mario literally killed on screen*
Woolie: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
THEIR LAST E3 together :(
The last Fire Emblem game had 3rd person exploration. Seems like they're borrowing a few things from it.
I cried inside when I saw midna as an assist. **** you nintendo.
With a Smash roster this big, I really wonder what it means for the future of the series. There is zero chance this is going to be the last Smash game. Maybe the last one for a little while, but there's no way it will be the last one. What happens with Smash 6? Will TONS of characters then be cut to make way for newer ones? Will more characters be added on top of all of the ones already in the game? I figure by that point, there's plenty of development time after all these characters have been put back into the game. Even if returning, the characters coming back are pretty much 'new' characters in terms of being coded and all that, I don't know if a new Smash game would mean new coding for every single character, but I am really curious where it will go.
"ULTIMATE MAKES SENSE"
Man matt whines a lot...
His resting face looks like a blobfish
There's definitely going to be a SSE type of mode. You don't mention attacking on a ladder if it's only for a single stage.
I like how woolie tried to trigger pat's [ CRAZY TALK ]
It's so weird watching the Zaibatsu get excited over Smash... I thought at least Pat was hating on it with a passion.
HANNES IS KING Pat likes Smash, but he hates Melee.
HANNES IS KING Someone tried to tell me they did in another video, glad to hear they were liars like Woolie
Pat just hates Melee and the annoying fans.
He hates Melee players.
Pat enjoys trolling Melee fans because some of them get real salty.
Rip Waluigi
Sakurai: "Don't ask me for anything ever again."
"That includes you, guy who missed them!"
Ow, Pat. Why'd you have to target me specifically?
Smash Bros Ultimate: *STOP PLAYING FUCKING MELEE*
Why do people complain about "taking up slots" as if there's a finite amount of slots. Clone characters don't even take that much time to implement either.
18:11 start of smash
Hayter voiced Solid Snake is in Smash?
Looks like I'm getting a Switch.
Friendship Ended with From Software. Marvelous is my new best friend.
"It's a good thing they're making the big game for the babies to not cry about later"
A year and a half later...
Did Matt say iNinja? I loved that game!
Pat's face when he see's the Gamecube controller, wink wink.
"This has to be the biggest character to make up for.."
Ridley is announced.
Fucking right he is.
Wolf is home and looks better than ever! That being said, wish Inkling had the schoolgirl outfit with the orange hair. Purple just don't look as good.
What’s wrong with purple?
"I applaud your independence to think so stupidly." - Matt, 2018.
BANG BANG BANG
PULL MY DEVIL TRIGGER
So did you guys not watch Bethesda? Cos that's literally the only one I wanted to see your guys reaction to.
I love that smesh is basically mk trilogy. So the sub zero jokes made sense.
Even if by some bizarre chance MK did get in Smash, why would it be Sub-Zero and not Scorpion?
Sub-Zero being *slightly* more "family friendly" maybe?
An ice ninja just seems to fit than more than a Hell ninja.
Of course neither make sense for that, but it's the best theory I got.