Ford Lightning MAJOR Battery Failure - Buyer Beware
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- The battery in my Ford F-150 Lightning's EV just failed after 11 months and 12,000 miles. This is a major issue and one that you need to be aware of before you consider buying a Ford F-150 Lightning electric truck.
In recent months, there have been a number of reports of the Ford F-150 Lightning experiencing major battery failure. I'm finding out that repairs can take months if you can find a dealer that is available. I also share my thoughts on the other electric truck options like the Rivian R1T and Tesla Cybertruck that is coming out soon.
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UPDATE: My Lightning was at the dealership for the battery replacement repair for 16 days, which was actually quicker then I anticipated. A few days after I dropped it off, Ford also assigned me a "Battery Electric Vehicle Agent" that emailed/called with regular updates. If Ford has a dedicated position for this, I'm assuming battery failures are a major issue they are trying to get in front of to stop the news from spreading.
I have heard lots of stories from other EV owners that repairs are taking much longer then I experienced. I was not given an exact cost but the dealer told me if it was out of warranty the cost would have been $10,000 or MORE due to the cost of the replacement battery and significant labor required to switch the battery module out. So far no issues since I have had the truck back. I'm now on the fence if I want to keep the Lightning or not after this experience and questioning the reliability of the truck.
You are on UA-cam so they probably bumped you up to keep you happy when the other smucks are still waiting months.
Just wait for the resale value hit once they're out of warranty....will be massive. And driving an EV truck as if it's a car isn't really a fair comparison to an actual truck that can tow and haul...which is what many owners use them for. Lightnings towing are pitiful with range of around 100 miles from what I've seen...not acceptable for people who need a TRUCK.
Thanks for the update on this, I was wondering about the outcome. Did they replace the entire battery, or just parts of it? If they replaced the entire battery, does the battery warranty start new and you have another 100k mile warranty from your current mileage? Guess Im thinking about the cost of fuel, ICE vs EV. That approximate math over 200k miles for ICE can be upward of $30,000 vs $12,000 for battery. Even if the new battery did cost you 15k, it still seems a little cheaper, all other things equal. It's a tough call, I would like to purchase an F150 Lightning but stuff like this has me waiting it out. Sticking with my 2010 F150 :-). Its paid for.
They only replaced the 1 battery module that went bad.
Sell it, while you can. If anyone buys it
AND ONLY 7 MORE MODULES TO GO BAD
Reminds me of every time I take my grandson to Chuck E Cheese to play "whack a mole"!
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Mine has 13 modules.. according to the dealer..
My local dealer actually sold his dealership over EV problems and cost to service them. Family owned dealership since 1961. Very sad Ford is going down the EV path.
So Ford has slowed production of the lightning and moved a bunch of workers to other plants due to low demand... Yes you are saving money in gas, but the upfront cost of the truck and the future cost of battery replacement of $20-30k + will just eat up the "Savings"..
EVs are the future, so Ford should be in the game. But don't rush products out the door
FORD lost 4.2 BILLION DOLLARS last year on EV. Genius. SMH.
@@KenMac-ui2vb Right! And now dealers are sitting on thousands of expensive vehicles that will suddenly get $5000 price increase as the tax incentives are going away. Ford supposedly lost $34,000 for every EV's they've sold...and that number is only going to go up as they have to discount the current inventory or they'll never sell them. Great business plan!!!
You want to force Ford to continue polluting the air for our children because some dealer went bankrupt?
I want a full tank in 3 minutes and zero battery degradation after over 300k miles and able to drive all the way down to zero and not down to 5 percent and also able to carry a 5 gallon jug of electricity for twenty bucks. Oh wait my ICE car does that.
There’s no way your ICE has zero power or efficiency degradation after 300k miles, which is effectively the same as battery degradation.
@@adamcarlson4922 Maybe I'm getting 31 mpg because of magic.
@@adamcarlson4922modern cars are not like the old carburated ones that need constant tune up's to keep going, if your car is down on power or has poor mileage, there's something wrong with it.
A 300k mile motor in good condition, well maintained should have nearly the same mileage and power as a new one.
I have tried and failed to run my ICE to zero and it still work. PLEASE share your secret. It could put Saudi Aramco out of business!!!!
I want you to stop polluting the air for my children.
Who will win? You polluting the air or my children?
If it's Lithium or Lithium base or like most rechargeables.. Beware !
Here you go, in plain English
Lithium batteries are regulated as a hazardous material under the U.S. Department of Transportation's (DOT) Hazardous Materials Regulations (HMR; 49 C.F.R., Parts 171-180).
Exposure to Lithium can cause loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and abdominal pain. ► Lithium can cause headache, muscle weakness, twitching, blurred vision, loss of coordination, tremors, confusion, seizures and coma.
This isn't for me or my family.
Better get rid of your laptop, phone, cordless shaver/toothbrush etc etc etc.
wait until he finds out what happens when you inhale gasoline.
Get rid of your phone and everything that uses a lithium battery, lol
@@TherealPlayfourlife basically the same thing I said. 🤣
@DigikidForever I know it just had to be said again cause he's too stupid to realize almost everything wireless is using a lithium battery, including his phone 😂
No EVs for me. Reliable truck is the most important thing for me. ICE truck is the only way to go.
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EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
You might not have a choice but to go EV,several states aren't allowing gas cars to be sold or used by 2035.
@@galvinstanley3235, why can't you go to another state and buy one?
LOL.
4:20 it’s fast until the battery fails on you. No EV for me, no way.
The roads i drive require me to obey speed limit and if i dont i pay tickets and more for insurance exactly how fast does one need to go my gas rig does the speed limit
1/8th of the battery.
Same thing just happened to my lightning, year and a half in 47,000km. Very concerning, this is happening a lot more than we know. Warranty is only good until 150,000km, I was told by dealer $20,000 repair cost if this happens outside Warranty window.. and I've babied this truck too
Yep, it’s a major issue. Keep us posted on your repairs. Mine took about 3 weeks
@EV_Insider they're saying 2 weeks, dropped it yesterday. I had to put up a fuss for them to even offer me a loaner vehicle, brutal. Discovery Ford in Burlington Ontario Canada
Lol you think this toy can survive 150 000km?
@davidsterling8678
I recently bought a 2023 lightning and got 5 year , 100 000 km extended warranty , as part of the extended warranty I will always get a lightening when in for service .
I thought that was a great benfit
The grass is not always greener on the other side. Having driven all of the big 3's trucks now, I have had issues with every single one. Check your state's lemon laws in terms of buyback if it lingers on. I understand the frustration, but hopping to another unproven truck (Silverado EV or Cybertruck) might put you in the same or a worse spot.
Tesla has been building EVs for much longer than Ford. The Cybertruck will not have any motor, inverter or battery issues. The suspension and steering are the potential problem spots.
I have two Tesla’s and loved the service options. Take it and it’s done all on the app, in fact they’ll even come to you. Your story is the reason why people don’t want to buy EV’s from dealers. Go get a Cyber Truck tomorrow. Why wouldn’t be a good day to day truck?
You can also request a buyback if it's under 24 months old and stays in the shop for over 15 days
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Definatly make the em buy it back.
I think it depends on the state. Where I live it's 30 days. I'm on my second failed module in under 14,000 miles. I asked for a buy back and should find out tomorrow if they approve it and what's offered.
This situation seems to be widespread so far in Quebec, Canada and the way in which Ford manages this is unacceptable. A new product under quality guarantee should not be held at a dealership for more than a week. In the best scenario Ford could simply replace the battery with a new one and send the defective one to the workshop for reconditioning for future rapid replacement of the defective battery.
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Government protected so they say fuck you and you money back
EV trucks are a joke: The huge cost, limited range, can't tow, difficult to recharge away from home.... And now this. And everyone must remember, charging will only be inexpensive until more people are doing it.
Someday this technology may be viable. But it isn't in the forseeable future.
EVs are more reliable, but Ford has only 3 years of experience making EVs. Tesla has been making EVs for over 15 years. People joke about Teslas' lack of car body manufacturer experience (panel gaps and paint), but Ford's experience in manufacturing batteries, motors, and inverters is about 80 thousand units; Teslas' experience is about 4 million units. In summary, Tesla is a world-class EV, while Ford has no experience with EVs. Why anyone would buy an EV from anyone but Tesla is beyond me.
I think this is part of the reason they put a temporary hold on production a few months ago. Apparently, they fixed the issue and preserved production
No they can't sell them. They have plenty on the dealers lots and they don't want anymore.
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Hold was a headlight issue on all 2024's. Apparently they can get water in them and short / turn off while driving.
Ford the “Recall Kings” wouldn’t touch a new Ford. And how much depreciation are you living with? Just doesn’t make financial sense the Lightening is an over priced under developed joke. You are going to get financially hammered when you go to sell it. Now you want a Cyber Urninal Refrigerator?🙄 Great content!
I had my whole battery for the bolt replaced -- still very happy with my EV.
Cheers
Same exact issue here. Happened late September at about 8800 miles. I’ll have to look at which module it was but it did take just under a month for the dealer to get it fixed and that was largely due to supply. I’ve put 1400 miles on since the fix and so far no issues. Ford was great at contacting and updating me. I gambled going with the Lightning but it is designed so well that it was the right fit for me. I traded in my’17 f150 eco-boost due to several factors including their 10 speed transmission experiment that only lasted 90k miles, plastic drain pans that lose their seal (trans wasn’t leaking) and ford’s consistent recall across their entire product lineup. One more issue and Ford is dead to me😂
Plan to keep your Lightning or trade it in? If I have another major issue with it, I’m moving on
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
I still think, the lightning is by far the best of the bunch. The full body on frame makes it an actual truck. It rides so nice and the frunk is amazing. There is absolutely no truck I would trade it in for that is available right now. As you saw, when you got your gas loaner. Once you drive a lightning for awhile, there is no going back. I've never experienced any issues with mine, knock on wood. But even if a similar issue does arise, I have the same understanding that this is a new first gen technical power house that I must be prepared to give some leeway. For the most part. I think they did a fantastic job but now a days most people expect perfection. They also have an 8 year warranty on the battery. I am sure even if problems persist, they will eventually figure out the issue by then. And as much as I hate dealers, Ford service centres are everywhere and they provide great perks such as loaner truck. so in the end, what really is the problem. Search out the stories if you have something major go wrong with a Tesla or Rivian. Hopefully you have even one service location near you and see if they give you a loaner truck. In the end, you always have to do what is best for you, but I know if I were in your situation, I would ride out the issues for much longer because I love my lightning that much.
When it comes to EV’s, Fords greatest advantage is their dealer network but it’s becoming a liability 😢
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Rule #1: NEVER EVER BUY A Ford-rule #2. See rule #1. Rule #3 and #4 - Never buy anything made by a GM or Chrysler. In 1985, I purchased a new Ford automobile; within the first five thousand miles, the brakes failed, and I almost died in an accident because they were not correctly installed on the car. The Ford Zone Representative told me to sue Ford; I would get nothing. Several lawyers told me you would never beat Ford in court, don't waste my time and money, and never buy another Ford. I have a 24-year-old SUV made by a German manufacturer. This SUV now has more than 370.000 miles with the original engine and transmission that keeps going and going and going with little to no maintenance or problems. I also have a Japanese car that will soon be 14 years old. This vehicle also keeps going with little to no maintenance. I have a mechanic friend who told me that both vehicles should last at least 20-30 more years. I will never consider owning a Ford, GM, or Chrysler product. A vehicle should last +20 - 30 years with a minimum of 300,000 miles.
my xlt with less than 58 000 km had a transmission problem where they had to replace the whole transmission. i’ve never towed with it. took them 9 months to repair my truck!!!!
Yikes.....
Most mechanics at the dealerships have no idea how to work on electric vehicles. Good luck on getting it back very soon
Edit. It takes me about a half hour to go get a battery, take the old one out, install the new one, and the drive home
Just imagine the repair costs if this happens after the warranty expired. Not to mention the loss in value because nobody wants outdated 5+ year old EV's with worn batteries. I doubt these cars save money in the long run.
When you buy an electric vehicle you are trading moving parts for extremely complex and expensive electronic components.
Tried and tested moving parts on top of that. Shit that's already been proven.
@@payne7761
“tried and tested”
Right, because internal combustion engines and transmissions NEVER have problems. 😀
I agree that Ford has to get their act together on these first-model year issues, but if they can become as reliable as GM’s EVs (I have 3 of them that haven’t given me ANY issues) they will be so worth it.
Yeah unless you have a tesla it isnt that complex. It wouldnt take me long to replace the entire PDM in my EV or figure out where everything goes. Ya'll mechanics are just too retarded to understand electronics, or anything thats more complicated than *take out 3 bolts, put part in place, put 3 bolts back*
Although a PDM replacement is just about that, but just with some wires.
-An EV engineer.
Well said.
Yup. And traded a 6000.00 engine or 4000.00 transmission for a 50 THOUSAND dollar battery!
Im a ford EV tech and its fortunate that ford made the battery pack serviceable instead of a sealed unit that can't be repaired.
iv done one almost identical to this one and there are updates to earlier models so the the truck can handle unbalanced battery
cells better. This will allow repairing a expensive whole battery instead of a complete replacement.
If a battery is failing already Sounds like Ford is going to be losing customers due to this.
The lightening battery has on the order of 7000 cells all wired together. That's a lot of failure points.
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Had one on mine, too. In shop for 29 days. Just traded it in for a Powerboost
That’s what I did as well last month. Love the Powerboost so far!
Wait till they fix it!!!!
People who buy electric vehicles apparently have more money than common sense. I have done construction work in a battery destruction facility. Believe me you are not saving the environment.
Just think, the carbon deficit that each ev starts out with is equivalent to about 70000 miles. Now add another battery, and youre at 140000 miles before your total carbon emissions go below those of an ice vehicle. Makes no sense.
Big fan of electric driveline, but the batteries arent there yet. These batteries are massively complicated electrochemical engines. Way more complicated than a good old fashioned gasoline engine.
When you ask a dealer to make a major investment of $500,000 to $1,5000,000 to be able to service EVs, then don't have parts available to do repairs, you set up a situation where dealers can't be bothered.
Ford are in deep trouble with their EV's, especially the Lightning (and Mach-E). These trucks are just not good enough, and reliability now comes into question. Pitty all the owners who've bought into this 1st gen tech and promises.
I took delivery of my '23 Lightning Pro with standard range battery, January 2023. I just passed 30k miles, with no major problems. I have driven this vehicle on several long road trips, my longest so far was over 1700 miles. Again - no issues. I believe this battery module issue is not common, but it is somewhat (very small percentage of the vehicles) is not surprising. With new technology comes new and unexpected issues. Hopefully Ford EV Engineering team is taking the data from this and improving this product.
The cost of battery repair or replacement, will affect the resale value.
Great video...My neighbor's Lightning has been in the shop for software problems and some rattles. He has said a million times i wish i didn't buy this junk. Service Manager told him these trucks are having serious problems, and they are not selling very well.
Thanks for sharing
Bummer to hear, hope they fix it quickly. I'm a few months and 2k miles into owning my lightning and its been great so far.
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Typical Ford, breaks before you even pay it off. Once the warranty expires it's a throw away.
I’m feeling you brother. And thanks for the video I was thinking about switching to the lightning. Currently my Mustang Mach-E is in the shop and it’s been there for six weeks because of a battery issue they are waiting for parts. I’m pushing for a re-purchase on this vehicle. The F150 lightning was on my shortlist, and now it is not…
Do you know exactly what the battery issue is with yours? The repair timeframe is ridiculous. In my opinion.
@@EV_Insiderbattery modual on back order. They could've replaced the battery a month ago, but the want to save money. No it will cost them a buyback
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
So a regular Internal Combustion Engine doesn't break down? 🙄
They do, all the time!
You bought an EV and your surprised that your screwed.
The problems are the rapid depreciation, when the traction battery is tired or failed the EV truck is scrapped.
Exactly my situation..lov lightning but with 20k on it had a battery module replacment done .. and actualy not even sure if they replaced it work order said they took it out and " rebalanced" it and put it back in..
Will see..
May be a cybertruck trade.. even though i prefer f150 platform..
I bought 2023 at the end of July I have 2281 miles on the truck and 10/10 I got the same message. I called Ford they towed it into the local Dealer. It is still there. Mine was the 4th module that showed a lower voltage then the rest. They were able to get the new module, but they could not get their battery balancer to work so they had to order another one. Then at the beginning of November they found they were missing the cable to connect to a Lightning to balance the new module to the rest of the battery. I just found out yesterday that each time the find some they are missing the order it ground which to me is completely unacceptable after all this time. They should be shipping overnight. The cable is supposed to arrive next Tuesday it will probably take another week unless they find some other equipment they are missing. I cannot believe they don't do their do-diligence to make sure they have everything they need. They told me this will be the first time they have done this which does not make me feel very good based on their past performance. I here that after the repair the software update will make it so it will be less sensitive to voltage differences, but I have no proof just saw it in a forum. Supposedly it will also reduce the speed of the fast charge, but again no proof. I barely got to drive this truck and already in the shop with a major problem. Since the Dealer has not done this before I hope after this is not turn into one thing after another or shabby work that causes other issues. But even after all this I like this truck. The short time I have had it I love that charging at home it costs me a fraction of what a gas or diesel truck would cost for fuel. That is the one thing why I never bought a truck because it costs you a fortune in fuel costs for day to day and little errands here and there. At first I had the range anxiety, but then I started treating it like my smartphone and just got in the habit of plugging it in every time I get down to about 50% and only charge to 80% and that has been great to always wake up to pretty fully charged truck and never have take time to go to the gas station. I am still positive on this truck I would not give up on it for anything. I love this truck. Even if Ford reduces production it will only make my truck go up in value. Proof of that is when GM first tried electric cars in the 90's and they had the small EV truck years later it cost more then the original. For all the nay-sayers on EV's all I got to say is if we had people like you back when the first automobiles came out with absolutely no infrastructure we would all be still be riding horses. Just like Microwaves and Computers it takes pioneers to get it all worked out for rest.
Start a buy back process and get a full refund
Yup that’s a lemon 🍋 car and we here in California are protected. So have them pay it off and get your down back and go tesla
Next time buy a gas powered F 150. Don't be trusting this new tech. Ford will make you wait ages as they lose money on the Ford Lightning.
It will never go up in value. When you are done with your truck it will be worth nothing. They are throwaway vehicles. Dealers cannot give them away.
How many people are in abusive relationships with their vehicles and just go back for more. Silly people.
To me, it is more than just concerning. Makes me think that I would dump an ev at least 6 months before the warranty runs out.
Same thought, I would not keep any EV past the warranty period
Yeah and here in lies the greatest problem with EV's. Who do you think is going to want to buy a used up EV? Especially now that people are finding out their "maintenance free" vehicles costs an arm and a leg to repair out of warranty.
I'm not buying a used car that's going to require thousands in repairs that take months to complete. I have never put more than $1500 into a used car and I drove that car for 8 trouble free years.
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Sadly when a major system fails it definitely makes one lose confidence in the vehicle. It would be useful to know what percentage of the Lightnings are having such failures. If the number is above 2% of all sold that could signal lots of defective batteries sold to Ford for installation in their vehicles.
Unfortunately, in the rush to produce these EV's many manufacturers failed to have the supporting parts and supplies in stock for quick repairs leading to horror stories like this one where customers have to wait months for a repairs. The supply chain has not caught up with vehicle sales as all EV owners find out when they need something repaired.
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Yeah. Not being logistically supported in a timely fashion by a major auto manufacturer.
And why did they have you to go looking for a dealer to fix.
Why didn’t they do that?
Yeah.
It was that Franchise and their salesman who made the loot off your purchase.
Ashame.
These EVs have problems.
Ones house could go up in flames too if battery catchers fire and vehicle is close to home.
I’lll keep my yota.
It boils down to pay now or pay later. You are paying later and you haven’t saved a dam penny.
Cheerio
Seems strange that a complex gasoline engine is more reliable than a battery and electric motor. If you do a true comparison with depreciation and initial cost, most electric vehicles come out second. I own a conventional car and a plug in hybrid. The hybrid is great for local driving, but there is no way it would be my choice on a trip or my only car.
Ford has the most recalls of any manufacturer.
ua-cam.com/video/vDg1szftvBA/v-deo.htmlsi=-YudEcR82E8vkMXi look at this Chanel this guy only woks on Ford vehicles and the reliability is not there and Ford have been making internal combustion engines for more than 100 years and it’s less than perfect.
I don't know how you say this EV is supposed to be more reliable than a gas truck, they are new and not proven reliable! and obviously not , EVs NO THANKS . Have a good day from Canada
These are the risks we take as early adopters. Good luck with your issue, I hope they get it sorted out for you soon.
I mean its not a problem with the technology. We've had the last decade of cars to show they're reliable AF. Its a Ford issue as they cant seem to make good EV's at all since they waited until the last second to do so.
@silvy7394 I dunno, I love my Lightning (23' Lariat). I have had it since December of last year with no issues. I tow a 7x14 cargo trailer all over Toronto (avoid the highway). I just can't stand Ford the company. They treat their Canadian customers like garbage because we are a drop in the bucket. But as far as I am concerned, they hit it out of the park with this truck.
@@silvy7394EVs are very new. Many things need to be figured out yet for long term reliability
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
We had similar issues with our Mach E GT. Eventually we lemon law it
Cybertruck just dropped for $80k. Ffffff that. Came here...now following.
Ya. Cybertruck also has the same range as the Lightning, far short from the 500 miles they initially said
Some general number for the Ford F-150 Gasoline Trucks... Smallest fuel tank capacity: 23 Gallons for SuperCab. Least MPG: 14 MPG for 3.5-L High-Output EcoBoost V-6 4x4... Milage Range: 23 Gal x 14 MPG = 322 Miles (estimate). Bonus: You can carry an additional 70 Miles in the bed of the truck.... (5 Gallons of fuel).
What’s your favorite full size truck?
There is no difference between this and an engine failure, which happens often to every brand.
Ford has an 8 year warranty on the batteries.
It doesn’t seem like Ford has its act together. Sad they don’t have replacement battery modules readily available. This isn’t rocket science, just a supply chain issue.
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Yeah, GM replaced the battery on my Chevy Bolt at 36,000 miles, and a new battery warranty started all over again. As early adapters we are all EV pioneers. I’ve got 67,000 miles on mine and all systems are still go. How will it be at 136,000 miles when the warranty expires? Will it make it to 200,000 miles? My break even point is 12 years. At that point I will have saved $30,000 in fuel costs, making it a free vehicle. Will it make it? There are a couple of Tesla’s being used as interstate couriers that have over 1,000,000 miles. I don’t expect that with my Bolt, but how far will it go? The experiment continues. 😊
Research the "early adopter penalty". It applies to all kinds of technology. Appreciate the honest review.
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
Fortunately....the only people that buy these trucks are people who have a lot of extra cash for play money so it doesn't affect them much....no middle class family buys these trucks as the family vehicle.
Anything over 1 month on a vehicle less than a year old is not acceptable/reliable. Looking forward to the update. I hope it's a fast turnaround.
Never own a ford again when I waited 6 months for a recall I was approved for. They started blowing me off so I traded it in for a Toyota.
I bought a Ford Explorer a year ago. They did not include the start/stop with it. They told me it would be 6 to 9 months and then they would have it installed. It's been over a year and not even a word. I voiced my complaint and no response. This is my first and last Ford.
Get rid of it. EV values are dropping like crazy...
Utterly amazing to watch this poor guy convince himself things are alright when told it might be 2 -3 months before he gets his truck back. Meanwhile... pretty sure the payments are still coming due..
Lol....yeah. Those payments don't stop just cause the truck is in the shop. So now he has to make payments AND pay 85 bucks a week for gas. That's the thing.....regular gas cars may have more parts,but the parts are cheaper and easily accessible. I went to AutoZone the other day, and they tell me a new battery would be $194. Then I just saw some story the internet about somebody needing a new battery for the electric car, and it cost them $50,000. So hey..... pick your poison.
At least he has a loaner.
Save 1500. A year in fuel that's great ,How much did your lightning cost ?
MSRP was $62k and it qualified for the $7,500 tax rebate
I was considering to get a lightening, went to the dealer, test rode, looked at leasing instead of financing, he said it’s better to lease and to replace the battery looking at 40grand,
With the 3rd shift at the plant shuttered and supposedly the other shifts as well, Ford not taking any 23 orders, moving them into 24s, giving 1500 or 2500 credit, hearing this battery issue, that explains the code comes up lightening.
In the end I’m not getting one. Don’t wanna be stuck with a truck I can’t trade in. Oh 400 dealers opted out of the lightening program and probably more. If anything maybe a hybrid.
Had the exact same message in early October. I believe the message was initiated by Ford as it showed when I pulled into my garage. Took 2.5 weeks to repair. Has been fine since.
Did you also have a battery pack replacement? Recall which one it was?
@@EV_Insider definitely a partial battery pack replacement, but I don't recall which one. The replacement parts came on a pallet. There was another Lightning in at the same time for the same repair.
I have a 2023 Lightning and I love it too ! No problems yet after 7 months owning it , I hope Ford comes out with the battery extender ( battery pack soon I would love to get more miles per charge ! And hopefully the Tesla charging adapter comes out ASAP ,
EVs without infrastructure are junk.
Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.
Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement sonce them. Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and most importantly NRA. No range anxiety.
Get it strait ..The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs but hybrids can and are doing it with mo infrastructure change and BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVE TECHNOLOGY
If I buy an EV, it would only be a Tesla. They are a decade ahead of every other manufacturer.
I've had exact same error messages but only with 400 miles and 1-week ownership lol
Bring it in asap!
I never understand when EV companies have a problem getting parts out to replace stuff... They are still actively producing and selling these, why can they not divert a battery module like the same DAY to where people need it. Its greedy on them hoard them all for the new trucks to just go sit in a lot vs keeping their existing customers happy. Its not really a shortage, its the company deciding what to do with the supplies.
The F150 Lightning is a pretty good vehicle and the batteries have an excellent warranty , so I wouldn't trip out . And the evs are still years ahead of the i.c.e. vehicles and have only been here for a few years . I suggest that you be patient and be watchful when it is returned to you . Ford is pretty good with warranty repairs , plus they issued you a loaner . Peace to you my Brother and I'm out 🎭
About when warranty expired how you going to pay for other major repairs,
I would not own any EV past its warranty, too much risk
If your truck is under 24 months old from in-service date, and it stays in the shop more than 15 days, you can start the buyback process, and if they don't fix it within 10 days, they have to buy it back and give you a full refund
is this written somewhere? Ive heard of buy backs, but havent read anything.
It's in the owner's manual or the lemon law booklet, you have to inform them using a form with certified mail, the manufacturer is never helpful in this case, I'm in florida and I found the form and the link on the state attorney's website and it was also inside the owner's manual, I called the state attorney and they told me what to do. My truck (2022 ram) was waiting on a part that's back order until the end of Dec magically it got fixes before the 10 days notice is over. I think it's the same process for every state
Is super simple just call ford finance ask what you have to do because you need to apply lemon they will respond in 7 days
Not in Oregon, they get three tries to repair and they have 30 days per try. There is no Federal Lemon law they differ by State.
Sounds like your dealership is one of the dealerships that's thrown in the towel on the EV's. You know better than buying a first years production. Could you pay me enough to deal with all issues with the Cyber truck, including having an on the never-ending game of "Keep away" or "Hide and Seek" from the local branch of the "Gone In Sixty Seconds" crew.
If one module is defective Ford should have engineered that one module to be auto disconnected so now the truck runs on eight modules. This shutdown on the whole battery system is ridiculous.
Please tell us the dealership name. The one you bought it and the one gave you the loaner. Mine 2022 car just spent 114 days for a single repair. 114 days !!!
That’s crazy, what was wrong with yours?
@@EV_Insider Hybrid Power Control Unit (HPCU)
Standard or extended range battery?
Standard range
Ford is ramping down production due to problems including cost and maintenance. It may be too soon to invest in an EV.
So, I just received the same error this month on my 2022 Ford F150 Lightning Lariat. My local dealer in Maryland kept my vehicle for 11 days to order parts and replace the faulty battery pack. I am a little concerned since my vehicle was also part of the January battery recall that was only supposed to affect trucks that came from one of Ford's plants. I went to different Ford dealer for that recall and it took almost two months since their equipment broke at that location. Hence, the reason I decided not to go back to that location for this issue. I'm curious to know if EV owner's of different manufacturers like GM have experienced the same issues with the Hummer EV, Cadillac Lyriq, or even Silverado EV since they use the Ultium battery. The 2023 Lexus RZ uses a different battery pack as well. I think there is going to be a long period of learning how to maintain these vehicles at dealerships. I hear Tesla has this perfected since they've had about a decade of practice. However, I will say Tesla owners I know have taken their vehicles in for repairs far more than I have over the same amount of time of ownership. I'm looking forward to see the Lightning's refresh. Will they switch over to the 800v battery architecture? Will they be able to promise over 500 miles of range like Chevy Silverado EV and RAM 1500 REV?
Thanks for sharing, it was definitely been a learning curve with the Lightning and I’m still not sold on it. It’s great for around town but I would never take it on a road trip.
My $100k Model S broke down on me after just 5k miles and 8 months. Rear inverter went bad and blew the HV pyro fuse, which left me to coast to the side of the road at midnight. Absolutely horrible and degrading service experience. They struggled to fix it over 3 weeks. Sold it as soon as I got it back and bought a supercharged V8. Much more reliable.
Great feedback, thanks!
I cant tell if this comment is a joke or not.
Electric vehicles are only worthwhile as a short hop commuter car in a warm climate. Tesla and Ford sales are declining and depreciation and repairs will kill these for the average driver in a few years.
How much would this have cost, if you truck were used and out of warranty? That answer will show why it will depreciate rapidly. I look forward to your video on what they offer you on trade in. I certainly would never buy one used. Best lease an EV due to these things happening out of warranty.
I wonder if the Mach-e has faced similar battery issues or if it has improved with later versions of the F150.
I’ve heard Mach-E has also experienced similar issues.
More reliable? America has been making Gas cars since 1886, I have an idea lets buy something New and expect it to be more reliable....head scratch
EV s cost more right out of the gate and in 8 years will have no resale.....gas savings? You save nothing by getting anything with a battery in it, even a hybrid.
Math
Henry Ford made his first electric vehicle in 1914
I question if it's the battery. I owned a 2021 Ford Powerboost (Hybrid) I had 2 major failures. Both times the dealership said it was the battery. Neither time was it the battery. Both times it was moisture in the wiring harness. The 2nd time it took 2 months. Ford customer service is a joke. If they tell you they will get back to you, expect a week and don't expect results. I sold the truck and bought a Lightning. Biggest issue is the Ford dealership are not training enough technicians on how to diagnose and repair EV's. After 2 months Ford sent a Tech from the their speciality unit and he found the problem. Other than the crappy charging infrastructure for non Tesla EV's, I am happy with it so far. That said I prefer driving my Tesla Y.
So glad I’m watching this. I was wanting to buy a lightening. But I’m seeing too many issues etc. Makes me appreciate keeping my Model 3 for a little while longer. I have 142,000 miles on my 3. It had 48k miles on it when I purchased it 1.5 yrs ago. So far I, all I’ve done to it was change the 12 volt battery, Tesla mobile service actually drove an hour to replace it and charged me only $100. And I purchased 2 sets of tires. That’s it! And it still charges to 300 miles!
I think I’ll hold out for the Silverado EV since GM has been in the EV business as long as Tesla. I bought my daughter a 2017 Chevy bolt 200 mile range with 28k miles for $17k. It is very efficient
Have you seen the new Ramcharger? I did a quick video on it, it’s the truck I would like to get ua-cam.com/users/shortsZFss6VKTdOM?si=0CiL1DtQuurFKK7c
I think the Silverado will come out by 2030, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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No issues with my lighting nor anyone else I know that has one also.. So I got 20k miles on my truck
The bolt is so unreliable GM stopped making it in 2023
a gas car is cleaner than a coal powered car
Given how often the company I work for has been replacing engines and transmissions in our newer trucks for work, I'd say that, given the number of lightnings on the road, it's not too unreliable, even with a major failure like a battery.
Even if I need to keep changing my oil on my ICE car, I'll be happy to do that rather than having a repair (regardless of cost) where I can't use my car for several months waiting for a part.
I have never had a vehicle break down where i couldn't fix it and needed to be towed. Retired now and don't want a vehicle that can shutdown or catch fire any minute.
I'm not trying to sound glib with this question, but do buyers of EV pickup trucks actually use them as a work truck picking up parts and hauling building supplies?
I would rather buy sushi from a gas station before an EV from Ford
In the last months TWO large rental car companies have announced they will NOT be buying any more EVs, because 1) they are unreliable and too expensive to maintain, and 2) they expect to lose their asses on absolutely dismal resale value. And so it goes.
What about the silverado ev? You didn't say that as a possible replacement.
GM pushed back that launch the last I have heard. I could see even a bigger delay with the current market conditions
My 3.5 Ecoboost does 0-60 in six seconds. Plenty fast enough for me.
Hope you get it fixed soon. I don’t support tax incentives for buying things. It only means higher taxes for everyone. The gov’t is not going to spend less money.
Electric Vehicles, or EVs, Are Not Cars
The government and auto industry wants us to believe that EVs are interchangeable with gas-powered vehicles.
EVs are not a “car” as we know them. EVs are experimental transportation devices that the government wants us to accept as a car replacement.
I believe the rollout of them was extremely premature. They look like cars, and seem to function like cars, but they are not cars.
Words and their traditional definitions matter.
Using the word car for an EV is misleading. I try to avoid it.
EVs are a completely different machine and when purchasing one that should be our mindset.
Replacements For Vital Machines (Evs For Cars) Must Outperform Their Predecessors To Be Universally Adopted
For a new product or invention, which an EV is, to replace a tried and true significant part of our daily lives, like our cars, it has to be a better choice.
Do EVs outperform cars in all important areas?
How should a car replacement be better?
1) Cheaper purchase price, lifetime maintenance and disposal.
2) Better performance, road handling and driving range.
3) As many or more locations to “refuel” and lower recharging times than refueling. Overall more convenient and time saving than gas powered vehicles.
4) Safer in all ways, including charging away from home.
5) Seamless and transparent replacement for our current experience with cars.
6) EVs should be less expensive to insure.
How do EVs stack up in those five categories?
1) EVs are more expensive than gas-powered vehicles. Overall costs over time are much higher for EVs. Even if they were cheaper, the current negative impacts of the loss of convenience and functionality make EVs not worth replacing our cars with experimental replacements. Government subsidies paid to corporations and individuals approach $50,000 per EV. An EV is less functional, yet more expensive? Who thought of this great system?
2) EVs have much higher average horsepower, but other than that the driving experience is not much different and is sometimes deficient. Range anxiety is real and total miles available on a full charge falls terribly behind a full tank of gas.
3) Gas stations are much safer and more convenient than EV charging stations. On the road charging can average ten times longer than refueling with gasoline. EVs fail miserably here.
4) The level of danger using an unmanned EV charging station at night in a deserted parking lot is not tenable, compared to gas stations which have personnel, lights and security cameras. EV battery explosions are commonplace.
5) EVs are not a cheaper, more functional replacement for our cars.
6) A true car replacement would be cheaper to insure. Middle class families already can’t afford car insurance.
EVs fail on almost every measure.
This certainly does not make a great case for EVs.
Using EVs dramatically changes your entire driving experience, one of the most important parts of our daily lives.
There are so many unanswered questions about the impact on us if the government were to ban gas-powered vehicles in favor of EVs.
Mandating EVs will change our way of life.
As with other government experiments in the recent past, they want us to be the test subjects.
I propose we opt out of this government experiment and all others in the future.
Fad For Wealthier People
EVs are still a fad for wealthier people for the most part. Currently they are mostly an option for owners of free standing single family homes and less often owners of townhouses with a garage.
And even for those free standing single family homeowners, once you have more than one EV, it can quickly become impractical, cumbersome and unworkable.
There are government laws forcing apartment complex owners and townhouse communities to allow residents to install charging stations, but they are not widely used.
The vast majority of renters and townhouse owners don’t have the ability to purchase an EV as they can’t charge them nightly.
EVs require access to a power supply that can extend to your EV where they are parked overnight. While away from home needing a charge, you need to find a charging station.
For people who own free standing homes, with a traditional garage and driveway setup, this is relatively simple and most practical. But even then, a family with two or more EVs may not be able to charge all of them overnight. Once you expand beyond one EV, things begin to fall apart.
Many townhouse owners are in the same predicament as apartment renters.
Renters of any type of home usually don’t have the ability or finances to install the systems needed to charge an EV. They would also need permission from the landlord.
Even if an apartment complex or townhouse association installed a few, having this done on mass scale for all apartment and townhouse residents is not practical for decades to come, if at all.
Townhouses, although purchased as a residence, are more likely to be a temporary stop to a free standing home, and so installing a charging station may not be worth the investment.
Excluding these drivers will stall or make impossible the complete replacement of gas-powered vehicles with EVs.
So, what percentage of drivers are in free standing single family homes? This is the true market for EVs on the consumer level. And, again, only for one EV in the family.
Let’s take a look at the figures below.
It will tell us what % of us have severe barriers to entering the EV space.
132,000,000 (A) - USA Households
83,000,000 (B) - Detached single family homes
49,000,000 (C=A -B) - USA Households With Barriers To Entry Into EV Space
37.12% (D=C/A) - % USA Households With Barriers To Entry Into EV Space
233,000,000 (E) - Drivers In The USA
86,000,000 (D×E) - USA Drivers With Barriers To Entry Into EV Space
86,000,000 out of 233,000,000 U.S. drivers cannot practically transition to EV use.
This 37% of drivers who cannot use an EV is important to remember, as it impacts the rest of the problems EV owners face.
Safety Issues At Charging Stations On The Road
Again, remember, we are imagining a world where gasoline is no longer needed and so gas stations would become a novelty.
So, with only EVs in everyday use, there will be times we need to charge away from home. Where will this take place? There is some EV charging infrastructure built out, but there are many problems. And this is with a very small percentage of EVs on the road.
Imagine, again, that only EVs were allowed. The infrastructure needed is unfathomable.
And what is the infrastructure for remote charging going to look like?
I have serious concerns here as should you.
When we need gas, we simply find an open gas station.
Gas stations have security cameras and personnel when they are open.
We take these well lit locations with employees and security cameras for granted. These safety features do not exist at EV charging locations. Most will be in parking lots of retail shopping centers with no attendants.
This decreases security and increases waiting times. That is what they are proposing. We should not accept these severe regressions of course.
Parents, let me ask you. Would you accept your children going into dark and empty parking lots, when retail stores are closed, to charge up for 20 or 30 minutes by themselves with no personnel on site?
Of course you would not.
No security. No one in government is talking about this. Remember, they want to eliminate the safe gas stations that are an integral part of our culture and replace them with this.
This is just another barrier I don’t hear anyone discussing.
EVs are not interchangeable with gas-powered vehicles. They are a completely different machine. They are not cars.
Consumers need to demand the same level of security measures and functionality that gas stations provide.
Thanks for the sharing your thoughts!
As PT Barnum said, “There is one born every minute.”
Well, I hope your Cybertruck reservation is pretty high. It looks like you are going to find good use for it and then the advantage of all the Supercharger network. And Tesla has all the advantage of building battery powered vehicles for well over a decade now. So the likelihood of a battery issue is low and if there is one, they can fix it much quicker.
ICE's have been being developed and improved for over 100 years. EV's are going to have some problems for a while... EV's have been around for 100+ years as well, but haven't been developed to the same extent.