I will love to see one where you choose terran vs 3 AI (Random) but here is the trick, You can ONLY attack their bases with soldiers and nuclear attacks. But you can defend your base with everything you want.
For the upgrades I feel like some are way more important than others. Void Rays for example have a very fast hit scan attack (like Marines), so very little damage is wasted which makes the upgrades great. I'm not sure on the values, but once you have around 5-10 Void Rays, you get more damage output with +1 rather than building another Void Ray, and you have one Cyber Core anyways. But your ground army upgrades do very little, since your Disruptors already one shot most things anyways. And it seems to play kinda similar to Co-Op missions for me, where you have a death ball of units and want to try to kill the enemy armies very quickly without losing any units, which makes attack upgrades much more valuable than armor.
Great content, very entertaining and well played! My only observation is I'm not sure the statement you made at 18-18.30 ish that your opponents still had more economy than you was still true. I think you may be overlooking that they mine out their combined bases 3-4x as fast as you, and though they can mine at a faster combined rate, they don't have more total resources than you on their side of the map. They have to combined spend 4x as much on upgrades and production as you also. Once you pushed them out of the top left bases, only the side bases at 9 oclock and 3 oclock bases would have had much left in the way of resources left and the 3 oclock had also started mining relatively early. You already had more economy at that point IMO. Cheers,
Amazing job!!! I have a question for Marc: Why do you watch these back from first person instead of from the replay like a caster does so you can click on units and move around the map and stuff? Just curious. Thanks!
Maybe you could do 4 silvers but it’s like 2 of them have total control over their dual race like Zerg and one focuses on building upgrading defending and the other focus on attacking defending
so these 4 gold players didn't think to go early air and harass your completely undefended expansions early on, not even once? You had enough resources to go after their probes, several targets at the same time, yet the FOUR of them did not? I watch this and I think to myself-did you guys agree no early game air for the 4 of them?
You're only gold, chill, no need to be all defensive. They're up against a multi times champion, win against 7 insane AI pro player, who only succeeded this gold challenge after multiple attempts. Nothing to be ashamed of at all.
Good job. Can't help but feel that the Gold players didn't have a proper plan or strategy. Think it would have been quite the different experience if they - Actually built cannons at home (so many workers lost 😢) - One player should have been dedicated to building harassment units, and sneak behind into Thermal's base. Protoss probably best suited for this, like a warp prism spawning in tons of units Just felt a bit jarring when all they did was front door knocking, while "freely" letting him harassment their workers over half the game. They didn't even dedicate flying units to just taking out the oracles early. One good backdoor attack, while the 3 others engage his army for example could have lead to different results.
You mean, if the players were good, it would have been harder? Yeah that's the whole point lmao. Gold in LoV is basically equivalent to Bronze in Wings of Liberty, so these players are basically total noobs. You can't expect them to do or know any of this.
@@saveriov.p.7725 This wasn't some randomly queued into match, they knew what they were getting into. Regardless of their rank, I think it would be just common sense to agree upon beforehand on roles. Even more so if they could pick their map positions. i.e. Yellow would do his best to attack the front door with help from someone else, and someone that is really far away like blue, could have focused on aerial harassment/warp prism. I'm most likely at a worse skill level than these gold players since I don't really play much, and even to me this seemed abundantly obvious.
Serious question. Why dont 3 of the Gold players just pull all workers except 1. Scout all possible spawns and then worker rush while the 4th player builds normal and joins the fight? Shouldnt it be a free win like that every time?
@@Jabullz ok, but I'm pretty sure 2 gold protoss players can tower rush+ 2 gate anyone, it's just impossible to win against even without 2 zergs on top of it.
I played with 1 of the protosses (dtghalla) alot and he did exactly what i expected from him lol. His macri is honestly solid he's just a little slower and bad at micro.
Idk what is happening here but some of this "gold players" needed a literal minute to pull workers from the Adapts? Even a bronze player should be faster than that?
Trust me bro I’m 100x worse. This game is so hard to me now it’s crazy. 20 years go by and the game almost seems alien when I try to play. When I watch it seems very familiar….
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These challenges are getting too hard 😅which one should I do next?
Beat me in a Benchpress competition
Run an ultra marathon
4 Silvers with no keyboard
only using units and upgrades that were in sc1
2v2 in either the
SC evo complete
or the Warcraft 3 mod
I like how thermy always says this is the WR even though nobody else is enough of a silly goose to try this
Gonna have those clickbait title.
that is how WR works on minecraft as well. if anyone wants it, then they have to beat the previous holder
It's what guiness does
Wr?
Well, it's there for the taking if you want the title. 😜
"this is really hard"
Meanwhile thermal is just casually talking about what happened, is happening and will happen in the future. He is father time.
Actually this video is a voiceover as he said, he wanted to focus on the challenge so he did not do live commentary
Its true Thermy still has a main channel
UThermal, the SC2 UA-cam content creator I look forward to watching the most! Let’s go Champ
I will love to see one where you choose terran vs 3 AI (Random) but here is the trick, You can ONLY attack their bases with soldiers and nuclear attacks. But you can defend your base with everything you want.
In case if I was one of this gold player:
1. Static defense near each Nexus, at least 2 photon cannons since 3 minutes
2. make caster group
Thanks for being up to the challenge and the fun! ^^
Disruptors and Void Rays have to be some of the most satisfying units to watch going ham. =D Siege Tanks are also up there for me
Hey Mark, have you ever try playing against bots? Not the ingame AI, but SC2 AI trained bots, can you take on DominionDog and beat it?
Yes, would really like to see a marc vs bot video!
OK, that's amazing! After starting with Terran, I'm now trying Protoss, so I'm loving this Protoss content!
For the upgrades I feel like some are way more important than others. Void Rays for example have a very fast hit scan attack (like Marines), so very little damage is wasted which makes the upgrades great. I'm not sure on the values, but once you have around 5-10 Void Rays, you get more damage output with +1 rather than building another Void Ray, and you have one Cyber Core anyways.
But your ground army upgrades do very little, since your Disruptors already one shot most things anyways. And it seems to play kinda similar to Co-Op missions for me, where you have a death ball of units and want to try to kill the enemy armies very quickly without losing any units, which makes attack upgrades much more valuable than armor.
The mini map looks like in a campaign or BGH once you got control of the top half :).
My favorite videos you do are these matches
This is crazy! You're amazing bro
Wow. You almost make this look easy. Great episode!
Now, the real challenges will start. 1v4 Platinums!
Thanks and good work.
excited to see more sc2 vids :D
Sick vid! If you need platinum players for a vid lmk i am currently gold but i think skillwise i usually land platty
Great content, very entertaining and well played!
My only observation is I'm not sure the statement you made at 18-18.30 ish that your opponents still had more economy than you was still true. I think you may be overlooking that they mine out their combined bases 3-4x as fast as you, and though they can mine at a faster combined rate, they don't have more total resources than you on their side of the map. They have to combined spend 4x as much on upgrades and production as you also. Once you pushed them out of the top left bases, only the side bases at 9 oclock and 3 oclock bases would have had much left in the way of resources left and the 3 oclock had also started mining relatively early. You already had more economy at that point IMO.
Cheers,
I really enjoy these vidéos !
they could just all send their workers right away
this looks like played against the ai rather than humans.
Stopped everything I my life to watch this video haha
As long as you do not stop breathing .. Everything will be ok . 😂
Understandable
@@madhavoc1 everything except for breathing
@@eriksih7832heart’s stopped?
Amazing job!!! I have a question for Marc: Why do you watch these back from first person instead of from the replay like a caster does so you can click on units and move around the map and stuff? Just curious. Thanks!
No rules? they just decided to not harras workers or early game cheeze?
precisely.
Finally a map small enough so they do not expand out of control.
What's the World Record for?
Silliest Goose or Most Baboony Build?
2 Terran players versus 7 next??
is there any reason these 4 players just dont build a few basic units each and walk in?
for example - any early air, and harrassed his expansions? No? Not a single one of them 4 gold players knows to go after probes?
Only person that knows the PvZZPP match up
Is using a mothership handy to just use as a second/ongoing recall, never actually engaging with it?
You're just simply the best.
Desruptor need a lot of skill to use well, but when you do it's beautiful!
Maybe you could do 4 silvers but it’s like 2 of them have total control over their dual race like Zerg and one focuses on building upgrading defending and the other focus on attacking defending
Let's GOOOOOOOOO this are my favorite videos
What crazy games.
so these 4 gold players didn't think to go early air and harass your completely undefended expansions early on, not even once?
You had enough resources to go after their probes, several targets at the same time, yet the FOUR of them did not?
I watch this and I think to myself-did you guys agree no early game air for the 4 of them?
2 minutes in an not under attack yet. Wth
yup. "No rules", riiiiight...
Constantly amazed.
Let me know if you need any diamond league participants for any of your future challenges :)
1 month since good videos
Are they not allowed to attack before 10 minutes?
Yeah it totally looked like this. And even after they were attacking like bad guys in movies. One by one. Not together. Worst golds ever lol.
One handed challenge?
Impressive!
Not 4 golden players, but 4 brainless players..
YT GOAT
Why no crono boost usage?
If everyone just played 1 base its over in minutes. Its not possible to hold early unit spam.
60 kill oracle. Lol sheesh
What is the limit to the kill count if there are any? Like in brood war I believe it stops counting after 255 kills
19:44 now u know why diamond protoss players love disruptors. 50/50 they see it
their first attack is at 9 minute, is there some rule not to attack before that?
As a gold player I just want yall to know this does not represent me lol these guys prolly just nervous or something
You're only gold, chill, no need to be all defensive. They're up against a multi times champion, win against 7 insane AI pro player, who only succeeded this gold challenge after multiple attempts. Nothing to be ashamed of at all.
@@gwot calm down dude obviously just joking around. I've done a challenge against him too and I was very nervous. Not being defensive
2 pros vs 8 golds
they playing like bronze o_O
Good job.
Can't help but feel that the Gold players didn't have a proper plan or strategy. Think it would have been quite the different experience if they
- Actually built cannons at home (so many workers lost 😢)
- One player should have been dedicated to building harassment units, and sneak behind into Thermal's base. Protoss probably best suited for this, like a warp prism spawning in tons of units
Just felt a bit jarring when all they did was front door knocking, while "freely" letting him harassment their workers over half the game. They didn't even dedicate flying units to just taking out the oracles early.
One good backdoor attack, while the 3 others engage his army for example could have lead to different results.
You mean, if the players were good, it would have been harder? Yeah that's the whole point lmao. Gold in LoV is basically equivalent to Bronze in Wings of Liberty, so these players are basically total noobs. You can't expect them to do or know any of this.
@@saveriov.p.7725 This wasn't some randomly queued into match, they knew what they were getting into. Regardless of their rank, I think it would be just common sense to agree upon beforehand on roles.
Even more so if they could pick their map positions. i.e. Yellow would do his best to attack the front door with help from someone else, and someone that is really far away like blue, could have focused on aerial harassment/warp prism.
I'm most likely at a worse skill level than these gold players since I don't really play much, and even to me this seemed abundantly obvious.
@@saveriov.p.7725 I'd rather say gold now vs bronze 10 years ago, but yeah....
@@saveriov.p.7725what are you on about lol gold players in LOTV > Gold players in WOL
ggs
1v4 in an rts is ridiculous
Love it !
What if they had quadruple cannon rushed him and blocked his entrance
Although they could just funnel money to one guy to cannon rush
Baaaad boy 😼
Serious question. Why dont 3 of the Gold players just pull all workers except 1. Scout all possible spawns and then worker rush while the 4th player builds normal and joins the fight? Shouldnt it be a free win like that every time?
Probably against the rules
That would require too much game knowledge
The only strat disallowed is worker rush. Also you don't need to scout spawns, it shows you on the minimap (you might not have played for a long time)
No worker rush is the only rule during these challenges.
@@Jabullz ok, but I'm pretty sure 2 gold protoss players can tower rush+ 2 gate anyone, it's just impossible to win against even without 2 zergs on top of it.
would this kind of game not been directly over if all players just send their probes to the enemie at once???
He talked about that in an earlier one of these videos
That is the one rule that was set for this challenge: You are not allowed to worker rush.
Oracle in this game is the hero ! Unprotected workers all game 👎🏼
Toss imba, pls nerf, David DJ Kim(star)!
7 bronze/silver
1v8 AI with the obligation to win before they are out of resources!
versus 4 GMs
I don't get it; why didn't they all just worker rush him? was that against the "rules" or something?
Yeah, that's one of the few (only?) rules. Not much of a game otherwise.
When human in WC3 again?
I just noticed that I accidentally sent the glhf message to the team chat. I'm sorry.
Couldn't they just all worker rush and win 100% of the time?
2 or 3 plat player vs u 😂❤
I played with 1 of the protosses (dtghalla) alot and he did exactly what i expected from him lol. His macri is honestly solid he's just a little slower and bad at micro.
Beat 1 bronze player naked
CLICKU BAITU!!
Just worker rush him??
I thought gold players play better than this
do 2 diamonds so I can play
next time BAR 1 v 8 ?
bar eco too op
Idk what is happening here but some of this "gold players" needed a literal minute to pull workers from the Adapts? Even a bronze player should be faster than that?
I changed my settings when he attacked me. So he could kill my workers
reactor only to GM?
What if they 4x 12 pool?
Dude wtf is this your playng against AI and call them players wtf is rong with you...
yes, 1 vs 4 idiots, fantastic achievement
Fr is this fake though, are gold players that bad to not even try to do drops? Like no pressure on you all game
Drops are uncommon in gold.
How boring
U cant be so bad in a 14 y old game. Its fake
Trust me bro I’m 100x worse. This game is so hard to me now it’s crazy. 20 years go by and the game almost seems alien when I try to play. When I watch it seems very familiar….