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The problem with hole is it depends on how you have defined it. Like how Phoenix defines it "a hollow place in a solid body" In this case a straw only have one hole. I think.
As a prospective mathematician, this video explores surprisingly well what should be considered the definition of a 'hole', of course, in a more heuristic and trial-and-error-like manner.
Topologically speaking, straws have one hole, because they can be deformed continuously into a torus. What I think Phoenix is instead referring to is an *opening*. In that regard he is correct, there are two openings to the hole.
1) A straw cannot be deformed into a torus continiously, it is clearly not homeomorphic, for instance they have different fundamental group, so they do not even have the same homotopic type. A straw is homotopically equivalent to a circumference (S^1) or a hollow circle, so it is correct saying that it has one hole. 2) Under most notions of "hole" I'd assume most people would say a Torus has two because its 1 degree homology has two generators or something like that. That said, one good way to see that a straw has one hole is to ask how many holes a ring has, i feel most people would intuitively say just one and in reality a straw is just a stretched ring. It's great when things get preserved by continious transformations.
Each opening is a hole. A hole in a piece of paper wouldn't have two holes though. A straw has two holes for one tunnel. However the hole in a piece of paper would be too thin for the middle to be a tunnel, thus there's no distinct entrance or exit holes.
@myau9912 Too thin to be a tunnel for people, but for microscopic organisms the thickness of paper isn’t negligible like it is to humans. So at what level of thickness does something become a tunnel? 1 micron? .5 microns?
Dividing a finite object in an unlimited amount of arbitrarily small units, huh. Dude just reinvented integrals. He'd do well in calculus ! But none of them seemed to notice that this definition they quoted was actually two definitions in one: "A hollow space in an object or surface" can be separated as "A hollow space in an object"OR"A hollow space in a surface". The two groups thought they had agreed on a single definition, but they were really using different ones with different implications. To re-take the example of someone drilling through the earth. Assuming there is no collapse in the gallery, there is a single continuous hollow space in earth. But that is considering the earth as a solid object, if you only consider the earth's surface, it has two separate empty spaces. Nothing connects them, since the gallery isn't part of earth's surface, and therefore not considered. Meaning if you consider the definition with "object", you have one hole, and considering the definition with "surface" you have two holes. Same apply to the straw : If you consider it as a cylinder, then are two holes on it's outer surface, but only one in the object. However, if you don't consider it a cylinder, but simply "straw-shaped", you could even say it has no hole at all, because you consider the space that a tiny ant coul walk on if you put it on the straw for the surface, and the actual volume of plastic for the volume. But to get back at what Phoenix said near the end : He's basically using the "surface" version of definitions, while considering a volume to be made of an infinity of juxtaposed surfaces. That kind of logic is genuinely used in some fields of physics ! Phoenix is just a misunderstood genius.
This wins the comment section. This all makes sense! And the part about a juxtaposed surface is indeed what I was trying to say (just uh, you said it smarter)
except you can't actually cut the straw infinitely there for you can't have an infinite number of all the least you can go is atomic level holes in which they'll be finite
Zero holes. Like all 3D circles with holes in the middle, straws are 4D objects projected in 3D space. It's like asking how many sides a Klein bottle has
@@robvadeberg It depends, if you punch it all the way through, it would have 3 holes (one continuous hole, two holes where you punch it.) But if you don’t punch all the way through, you will have 2. The reason why your punch counts as 2 holes is because those holes are not connected horizontally. Whereas, the main hole counts as one because it is connected horizontally.
To counter Phoenix's argument about paper having two holes, the number of sides doesn't actually matter: what does matter is the *location* of the hole. The reason why a shirt having a hole in the front and a hole in the back counts as two holes is because the front and back are two separate areas on the shirt. But with a sheet of paper, the front and back sides occupy the same space, so even though it has two sides, it's only one hole. Additionally, while some holes have bottoms to them, such as cups, others do not, such as holes in clothing, paper, etc., which is how we can actually determine the exact number of holes a straw has. Because the space from one opening of a straw has nothing to block it off, it is one single hole that goes from one end to the other.
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At this point we are just arguing if holes are 2 dimensional or 3 dimensional. If we define them as 2 dimensional like wright, we can get infinite wholes, but if we define them as infinitely 3 dimensional, then that would mean we are just defining all empty spaces in the universe as one big hole, if we define the universe as an object. I'll take the second approach for this one. This means that any single object we look at , whether inside or outside the universe, has one whole, but a different amount of openings. This also applies to simple shapes like spheres and squares because of the holes between atoms. This also presents a problem of infinite openings, however i would like to present the jury with an opinion on openings that we should all be able to agree on. If there is an opening smaller than what the human eye can see, it's not an opening. Case, closed
Objection! I would like to draw your attention to small animals such as tardigrades and other microscopic or maybe even a bit bigger living organisms. They obviously have holes on/in them since they need it for their survival as well. So I recommend changing the definition. Holes should only qualify as holes if they can be made visible with technology. This shouldnt include drawings and theoratical models on the atomic, subatomic level. Images from electron microscope would be included however.
*OBJECTION* 3:20 Godot makes a point, an entrance and a exit. Mugs are MORE similar to straws and there are entrance and exit points. How come if I rip one side of a shirt its one hole, but the other its still 2 holes. You are acting as if we are in the second dimension….
If a hole is a hollow place in a solid body, then the number of e tranves is irrelecant to the number of holes. A straw has one hole. In fact, a straw with sealed entry points, and thus 0 entrances or exists, still has a hole, the hole is just inaccessible.
4:02 to be fair he’s not wrong, if you use sticky tape and pull it off sometimes a layer of paper comes off technically being one thin hole so going through the whole paper leads to two holes
Okay, if I… if I chop you up in a meat grinder, and the only thing that comes out, that's left of you, is your eyeball, you'r- you're ... probably dead
A straw is a cylinder with one hollow inside, with two openings. As a mathematician who has done an immense amount of research on this topological question, you can assume it is the correct approach to say that a straw can’t have holes because the definition of what a straw is already takes into consideration the single vertical hollow inside (the hole corresponding volume) and the two openings (the holes corresponding to second dimensional area while at the same time having relevancy with the single hole corresponding to volume).
For the record, using phoenix’s logic, that shirt could have 12 holes, because each hole in the center of the shirt has 4 holes, since the front of the shirt has a hole, the back of the shirt has a hole, but the inside of the front side of the shirt is ALSO a hole, and so is the back-inside.
@@TheCreCre *HOLD IT* Imagine a parasite trying to enter your body. It could go through only one way: Through your privates, nose, mouth, ears, maybe eyes if small enough.
Both answers are correct, with _hole_ reffering to two similar yet distinct things. There is 1 hole (hollow space in thing) and 2 holes (opening in thing that can, but doesn't have to, lead to aftermentioned hollow space) in straw. Edit: Hole type nr 2 doesn't have sides - each opening counts as one hole
0:28 Michael:vsauce,Michael here Topology:Bye Topology has left the chat Micheal:A hole in a mathematical object is a topological structure which prevents the object from being continuously shrunk to a point. 5:13 Leibniz:HELP,this guy didn't listen Leibniz left the chat.
Think of it as a person, if you shot a person with a gun, and the bullet fully went through the person, you would say there is **A** bullet hole in the person Edit: I paused and wrote this comment TWO seconds before they used the same theory I had 🤦♀️
The reason why when you cut a straw in half it makes 2 seperate holes, is because now they have 2 seperate entry and exit points. Before, they shared the same entry and exit point, making them a solid “hole”. However, if you take this new half of the straw and line it up perfectly with the other one, now you have one hole with a gap in the middle. And if you cut up the straw into infinite slices and place them next to each other, you have yourselves infinite holes, because they have infinite unique entry and exit points
A cup has one hole that has the same exit as its entryway. If you broke the bottom of the cup, you would then have a thick straw. The length of the object must have something to do with the number of holes, so a straw must have one hole. That reason being that not only was it created using a method of extrusion molding (heated material forms around an object), but it is also exactly the same shape on both sides. This excludes bendy straws, even though they are still straws. The fact being that you wouldn't be able to tell the sides apart without it being marked in some way, so it is just a long hole. An argument against this may be describing the two ends and what ends up where (one side in the cup, the other in the mouth), but it is the same liquid touching the same material of the same thickness. It tastes the same either way, and the path to get to the mouth is constant. Look at it from the perspective of one side of the straw. if you look through it, you see the world from the other side. It is connected as a single hole. Please give me your opinions! Edit: 8 months later, I have a new thought. The original mention of length being a factor is all together wrong, but I think I had a good idea. 😆 I think a mug handle can indeed be a hole depending on how you look at it. Either it is a hole, or just a handle, just something to grasp. There are many types of things that we refer to as holes. A keyhole, a hole in the ground, a hole in the wall, holes in a shirt. Perhaps what defines a hole is "an opening," one that can have both a constant path or a blocked one. (This makes sense, right? Ww)
I've really summoned a whole league of philosophers, huh? I'm not sure I'd considering being able to tell the difference between the two sides as an important factor... I just can't explain why
@@FrostDeino Oh yeah! I get why it would be difficult to understand. I suppose it would mostly work for things that are symmetrical in some way. I guess you can think of it as no matter the length of the straw, no matter the shape, it is still a constant. Even bendy straws are a constant. They aren't symmetrical, but they still make the same result. Thank you for your reply! It was a great video to think about, and it was made better with Ace Attorney!
@@FrostDeino well, if I were to take a square of clay, and poke a small hole on two opposite sides in the same spot, it would have two holes. If I were to press hard, and I penetrate the square, the two holes would connect, forming a conjoined hole. If I poked another hole, and repeated the process, i would have 3 conjoined holes. 1 hole total. Much like a compound formula of the periodic table. We can keep on adding conjoining holes, and forming the clay square into a whole ant colony. So, the straw is just two conjoined holes, or 1 hole. If I were to take the shirt with 6 holes in it, it would technically be 8 conjoined holes, including the backs of the holes in the middle, so the shirt with holes in it is one hole. Which does prove Pheonix to be partly correct, but nobody could count the correct amount of holes in a shirt. Referring to the example of cutting the straw into pieces, our 6 conjoined hole square would be split in two, but each half would retain all 6 if you put one whole directly in the center of each side. So, even a square can duplicate its conjoined holes. Like the humble energy, it cannot be created or destroyed, only morphed. You would be morphing the straw, giving it more holes by technicality. You would achieve the same result of adding holes as cutting the shirt or square in halves. You are splitting the colony into multiple colonies, therefore increasing the amount of holes. So Wright's straw example was correct, and it is also true that straws have one hole, so everybody is partly correct, and bendy straws keep their count of holes. Putting the bits of the straw back together would reform the colonies, theoretically decreasing the amount of holes in the straw. For a shape to have two different holes, there has to be a gap inbetween both colonies. One hole. Problem solved.
@@shannonhoward4792 I agree with what you said. I had trouble explaining my thoughts on this, but I can see that we have the same idea. I like to think that the object itself determines the number of holes. What I mean is that a t-shirt and a straw are totally different when it comes to determinating the amount of holes. The straw is seen as if it were connected to something on both ends, like if a shirt has a hole through the middle, it would be on both sides. If you look at its entirety, you can see that it has the purpose of transferring at a constant. An escalator does the same. It travels at a constant speed in a certain direction, going to a specific place. I'm quite bad at giving my thoughts, so forgive me.
0:30 We have thousands of holes due to our skin pores. 6:00 By cutting a straw, you only make new holes. A hole is the absence of matter, so they are all connected, meaning a straw has one hole. A hole can have multiple openings, which is what we call a tunnel.
But then it's not the same body, you are getting a system of bodies that isn't an equivalent as the original body (a straw on a table is not the same as a multiple ring fragments on a table)
But the logic doesnt work, when you cut a straw you DO get more holes but you also get more straws, just shorter ones and the question was how many holes in ONE straw
Phoenix theory fall down in the moment in the moment you start adding openings to the straw, a Y shaped straw obviously has the same amount of holes as an X shaped straw
It depends on how hot it is. The temperature tells how fast the molecules are moving in the straw. And, the moving molecules form empty spaces in between them. Those are holes. So, I would prob say around 50 quintillion XD
4:57 These are just differences in elevation. Since it's the same object and none of those are enterences or exits they don't count here. Or do you want to couldn't every submolecular gap? Because that still isn't infinite, it's high, yet finite. And a spring doesn't really have any holes since it's a coiled metal string essentially.
I suppose it depends on how perceive the straw, like imagine instead of it just being a long hole, if you were to cut off a very small bit of the straw, you would most likely define it as a single hole. It’s hard to explain my thoughts without photographic aid. Maybe think of it like a tesseract, specifically how they describe one in a wrinkle in time
it depends on how the straw was made if they just punched a hole into the straw from one side, its one hole if they did that form both sides, its 2 holes
Its 1. Of you have an object with 2 holes and change its shape it will still have two holes, if you change a straw into a disk (imagine pulling a side apart on one end) it turns into a disk with a single hole. The same way a balloon doesnt have a hole at all.
Technically it depends on wether you call the holes the number of entrances or go strictly by the definition, but a hollow piece with multiple interconecting entrances still has a singular hole.
The problem is because the end of a hole does not equate a hole in and of itself. A straw has one hole with 2 ends. Same with a hole through the earth. You can jump in from 2 different directions, but it's the same hole
I think they were getting "hole" mixed up with "tunnel". After all, a hypothetical tunnel leading from one end of the Earth to another would be a single tunnel; and yet, it would have two entrances on either side, and therefore, two holes. A straw is a similar case; one single tunnel with an opening, or "hole", on either side. The ripped-up shirt would have four holes (unless you also count the sleeves, neck, or bottom); two on the front, and two on the back. The "tunnel" in this case, would be the inside of the shirt. Although, now that I think about it... If you have a tunnel that branches off into multiple paths, each with their own opening to the outside, would that still be one singular tunnel? Or would it be multiple tunnels, all connected to one another? And if there's an actual room somewhere in there (Like a basement surrounded by hallways), would that room be another tunnel? Part of a tunnel? _Not a tunnel at all?_ And if the room *IS* considered part of a tunnel: If more than one tunnel connects to it, how do we go about deciding which tunnel it should be a part of? Unless we say half of the room is part of one tunnel, and the other half belongs to the other tunnel... Unless there's _three tunnels?_ What if they're all on the *SAME SIDE?* I- Uh..... My head hurts... DX
OBJECTION! A straw does NOT have holes. It has two openings. For a straw to have a hole, it would have to have a solid end. But it ends with an opening.
i have a idea it depends Paper straws are made as a coil, so it could be Nan or Inf holes Plastic (Made with a mold): Are made originally with 2 holes as the mold But with plastic (By cutting the plastic whilst its hot) would make it one long continous hole
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Soooo true lol
Send help 😔
Karma and Phoenix are wrong though
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@@catrinaquenon6582why the hell is this on ur person.
*Karma:* Fatherless.
*Edgeworth:* AND WHOSE FAULT IS THAT!?
Karma adopte him?!
@@lazyguyonearth Edgeworth being adopted into the von Karma family is popular fanon that is based on Franziska calling him little brother in the English translation and the general sibling rivalry-esque dynamic they have, but as far as the game continuity is concerned, all textual evidence suggests that Edgeworth is just Manfred’s student and not his legally adopted ward.
Admittedly, he might be adopted in the anime continuity, according to some anime exclusive flashback scenes.
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In the anime, Von Karma says "Sometimes I wonder why I adopted that boy" and was once going to put him in an adoption center
The problem with hole is it depends on how you have defined it.
Like how Phoenix defines it "a hollow place in a solid body"
In this case a straw only have one hole. I think.
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In that case the broken short also has 1 hole only?? Because they’re connected??
objection!
The problem persists, what defines the number of empty spaces? They exist like gas theres no way to count it like you count ice cubes for example
Tbh hatiku has a point
As a prospective mathematician, this video explores surprisingly well what should be considered the definition of a 'hole', of course, in a more heuristic and trial-and-error-like manner.
I'm literally Einstein
Phoenix busted out text book definition with out the book. When he said he had this discussion before he meant many times.
N9
Busted? Edgeworth??!?!!?!!?!
Topologically speaking, straws have one hole, because they can be deformed continuously into a torus.
What I think Phoenix is instead referring to is an *opening*. In that regard he is correct, there are two openings to the hole.
So basically straw has one hole as an object but two holes as a set of surfaces?
It's always great seeing another pal who know's advanced math knowledge
1) A straw cannot be deformed into a torus continiously, it is clearly not homeomorphic, for instance they have different fundamental group, so they do not even have the same homotopic type. A straw is homotopically equivalent to a circumference (S^1) or a hollow circle, so it is correct saying that it has one hole.
2) Under most notions of "hole" I'd assume most people would say a Torus has two because its 1 degree homology has two generators or something like that.
That said, one good way to see that a straw has one hole is to ask how many holes a ring has, i feel most people would intuitively say just one and in reality a straw is just a stretched ring. It's great when things get preserved by continious transformations.
Each opening is a hole.
A hole in a piece of paper wouldn't have two holes though. A straw has two holes for one tunnel. However the hole in a piece of paper would be too thin for the middle to be a tunnel, thus there's no distinct entrance or exit holes.
@myau9912 Too thin to be a tunnel for people, but for microscopic organisms the thickness of paper isn’t negligible like it is to humans. So at what level of thickness does something become a tunnel? 1 micron? .5 microns?
I love how in this most of them actually changed team
Dividing a finite object in an unlimited amount of arbitrarily small units, huh. Dude just reinvented integrals. He'd do well in calculus !
But none of them seemed to notice that this definition they quoted was actually two definitions in one: "A hollow space in an object or surface" can be separated as "A hollow space in an object"OR"A hollow space in a surface".
The two groups thought they had agreed on a single definition, but they were really using different ones with different implications.
To re-take the example of someone drilling through the earth. Assuming there is no collapse in the gallery, there is a single continuous hollow space in earth. But that is considering the earth as a solid object, if you only consider the earth's surface, it has two separate empty spaces. Nothing connects them, since the gallery isn't part of earth's surface, and therefore not considered.
Meaning if you consider the definition with "object", you have one hole, and considering the definition with "surface" you have two holes.
Same apply to the straw : If you consider it as a cylinder, then
are two holes on it's outer surface, but only one in the object.
However, if you don't consider it a cylinder, but simply "straw-shaped", you could even say it has no hole at all, because you consider the space that a tiny ant coul walk on if you put it on the straw for the surface, and the actual volume of plastic for the volume.
But to get back at what Phoenix said near the end : He's basically using the "surface" version of definitions, while considering a volume to be made of an infinity of juxtaposed surfaces. That kind of logic is genuinely used in some fields of physics ! Phoenix is just a misunderstood genius.
This wins the comment section.
This all makes sense!
And the part about a juxtaposed surface is indeed what I was trying to say (just uh, you said it smarter)
except you can't actually cut the straw infinitely there for you can't have an infinite number of all
the least you can go is atomic level holes in which they'll be finite
@@firasempire5294 Technically you can just cause an explosion which would make another hole
I'm not reading this
What does you mean by gallery??
Zero holes. Like all 3D circles with holes in the middle, straws are 4D objects projected in 3D space. It's like asking how many sides a Klein bottle has
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@@FrostDeino Based
Bro it cant be zero holes… how would you suck out of it. Its 1 hole
I think there was a through hole in all of your skulls
Straws have one hole, Klein bottles have one side.
i havent seen manfred in objection lols in so long
I like using him
Phoenix: *Shows attorney badge*
Everyone else: “I’m sorry”
A straw can't have holes, it's already a hole
air is a hole, a straw is not just air it has air in the center, its not a hole, it has 1, 2, or infinite holes
What about the plastic
Oh yeah? And what if I punch a hole on the side of the straw?
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@@robvadeberg It depends, if you punch it all the way through, it would have 3 holes (one continuous hole, two holes where you punch it.) But if you don’t punch all the way through, you will have 2. The reason why your punch counts as 2 holes is because those holes are not connected horizontally. Whereas, the main hole counts as one because it is connected horizontally.
To counter Phoenix's argument about paper having two holes, the number of sides doesn't actually matter: what does matter is the *location* of the hole. The reason why a shirt having a hole in the front and a hole in the back counts as two holes is because the front and back are two separate areas on the shirt. But with a sheet of paper, the front and back sides occupy the same space, so even though it has two sides, it's only one hole.
Additionally, while some holes have bottoms to them, such as cups, others do not, such as holes in clothing, paper, etc., which is how we can actually determine the exact number of holes a straw has. Because the space from one opening of a straw has nothing to block it off, it is one single hole that goes from one end to the other.
"Holes, we all have 'em. We all use them"
the whole world :PARDON ME, WHAT!?!?!?
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This happened in the game too
This literally happens in the first game
The last thing I expected was von karma starting off with "HOLES! We all have 'em"
Saul killed me lmao
At this point we are just arguing if holes are 2 dimensional or 3 dimensional. If we define them as 2 dimensional like wright, we can get infinite wholes, but if we define them as infinitely 3 dimensional, then that would mean we are just defining all empty spaces in the universe as one big hole, if we define the universe as an object. I'll take the second approach for this one. This means that any single object we look at , whether inside or outside the universe, has one whole, but a different amount of openings. This also applies to simple shapes like spheres and squares because of the holes between atoms. This also presents a problem of infinite openings, however i would like to present the jury with an opinion on openings that we should all be able to agree on. If there is an opening smaller than what the human eye can see, it's not an opening. Case, closed
Yes you managed to formulate that argument very well thanks man
Objection!
I would like to draw your attention to small animals such as tardigrades and other microscopic or maybe even a bit bigger living organisms. They obviously have holes on/in them since they need it for their survival as well. So I recommend changing the definition. Holes should only qualify as holes if they can be made visible with technology. This shouldnt include drawings and theoratical models on the atomic, subatomic level. Images from electron microscope would be included however.
If we start defining things by their ability to be observed by humans we'd be throwing all of theoretical physics, a good chunk of quantum physics
A straw is topologically similar to a donut, therefore it is one hole
Edit: before you try to argue this, write down a rigorous definition of a hole
*OBJECTION*
3:20 Godot makes a point, an entrance and a exit. Mugs are MORE similar to straws and there are entrance and exit points. How come if I rip one side of a shirt its one hole, but the other its still 2 holes. You are acting as if we are in the second dimension….
You are right
a straw has 2 holes
@Dumbchanil tell that to topologists
donuts have one hole because they’re not thickened,
straws have 2 holes cuz they resemble a ENTRANCE and a EXIT
If a hole is a hollow place in a solid body, then the number of e tranves is irrelecant to the number of holes. A straw has one hole. In fact, a straw with sealed entry points, and thus 0 entrances or exists, still has a hole, the hole is just inaccessible.
What we need to do is clarify that a hole has to be dug out of something, that way holes are made from openings, and that straws are tubes
0:44 be looking very suspicious.
0_o
sounding too
Guys why 💀
Im glad they noticed :)
4:02 to be fair he’s not wrong, if you use sticky tape and pull it off sometimes a layer of paper comes off technically being one thin hole so going through the whole paper leads to two holes
There are through-holes and blind holes. So it's one hole. One through-hole.
one, topologically speaking, and technically it could have like however many molecular holes depending on the material
@@Thelongestshrimp so infinite
Im not gonna even talk to one of these guys, they made a simple object complicated, i just want to drink with a straw 💀
So is no one going to mention Saul being here?
i never though Von Karma would be fighting side to side with Phoenix
2:08 I like how Edgeworth said one with confidence
as a self proclaimed Topologist
my eyes and ears bleeding
3:03 he really just pulled out a jerma by using a death threat as example
Okay, if I… if I chop you up in a meat grinder, and the only thing that comes out, that's left of you, is your eyeball, you'r- you're ... probably dead
A straw is a cylinder with one hollow inside, with two openings.
As a mathematician who has done an immense amount of research on this topological question, you can assume it is the correct approach to say that a straw can’t have holes because the definition of what a straw is already takes into consideration the single vertical hollow inside (the hole corresponding volume) and the two openings (the holes corresponding to second dimensional area while at the same time having relevancy with the single hole corresponding to volume).
i like how humble Godot is because he actually uses his mind and thinks through the answers that the rest gave out
1:38 ip adress jumpscare
But An opening Is still a hole.
This frame does NOT look too good without the context 0:44 💀
Also can Godot stop being like THE FUNNIEST CHARACTER?? 😭🤚🏾❤️
For the record, using phoenix’s logic, that shirt could have 12 holes, because each hole in the center of the shirt has 4 holes, since the front of the shirt has a hole, the back of the shirt has a hole, but the inside of the front side of the shirt is ALSO a hole, and so is the back-inside.
No, he’s saying it’s 2 holes and there’s a set boundary around the space between them? Idk
here's my take on how many holes there are:
OBJECTION!
All the holes are connected inside the shirt, hence it has...... 1 hole.
@@TheCreCre *HOLD IT*
Imagine a parasite trying to enter your body. It could go through only one way: Through your privates, nose, mouth, ears, maybe eyes if small enough.
According to Phoenix's logic, it would have infinite holes
Both answers are correct, with _hole_ reffering to two similar yet distinct things. There is 1 hole (hollow space in thing) and 2 holes (opening in thing that can, but doesn't have to, lead to aftermentioned hollow space) in straw.
Edit: Hole type nr 2 doesn't have sides - each opening counts as one hole
These always feel like real discord convos betweem a group of friends and i love it
Godot: I want what wright is smoking
Godot later: Nevermind I don't want what wright is smoking
0:28 Michael:vsauce,Michael here
Topology:Bye
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5:13 Leibniz:HELP,this guy didn't listen
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Phoenix just invented calculus what a chad
Think of it as a person, if you shot a person with a gun, and the bullet fully went through the person, you would say there is **A** bullet hole in the person
Edit: I paused and wrote this comment TWO seconds before they used the same theory I had 🤦♀️
OBJECTION! The body of the straw is a hole in the air
The reason why when you cut a straw in half it makes 2 seperate holes, is because now they have 2 seperate entry and exit points. Before, they shared the same entry and exit point, making them a solid “hole”. However, if you take this new half of the straw and line it up perfectly with the other one, now you have one hole with a gap in the middle. And if you cut up the straw into infinite slices and place them next to each other, you have yourselves infinite holes, because they have infinite unique entry and exit points
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Technically it could have between 3 (the two in the front and the neck one) and infinite, but if its not messed up its 6 or 7
4:18 This is where insanity starts. Well MORE insanity.
A cup has one hole that has the same exit as its entryway. If you broke the bottom of the cup, you would then have a thick straw. The length of the object must have something to do with the number of holes, so a straw must have one hole. That reason being that not only was it created using a method of extrusion molding (heated material forms around an object), but it is also exactly the same shape on both sides. This excludes bendy straws, even though they are still straws. The fact being that you wouldn't be able to tell the sides apart without it being marked in some way, so it is just a long hole. An argument against this may be describing the two ends and what ends up where (one side in the cup, the other in the mouth), but it is the same liquid touching the same material of the same thickness. It tastes the same either way, and the path to get to the mouth is constant. Look at it from the perspective of one side of the straw. if you look through it, you see the world from the other side. It is connected as a single hole. Please give me your opinions!
Edit:
8 months later, I have a new thought.
The original mention of length being a factor is all together wrong, but I think I had a good idea. 😆 I think a mug handle can indeed be a hole depending on how you look at it. Either it is a hole, or just a handle, just something to grasp.
There are many types of things that we refer to as holes. A keyhole, a hole in the ground, a hole in the wall, holes in a shirt. Perhaps what defines a hole is "an opening," one that can have both a constant path or a blocked one. (This makes sense, right? Ww)
I've really summoned a whole league of philosophers, huh?
I'm not sure I'd considering being able to tell the difference between the two sides as an important factor... I just can't explain why
@@FrostDeino Oh yeah! I get why it would be difficult to understand. I suppose it would mostly work for things that are symmetrical in some way. I guess you can think of it as no matter the length of the straw, no matter the shape, it is still a constant. Even bendy straws are a constant. They aren't symmetrical, but they still make the same result. Thank you for your reply! It was a great video to think about, and it was made better with Ace Attorney!
@@FrostDeino well, if I were to take a square of clay, and poke a small hole on two opposite sides in the same spot, it would have two holes. If I were to press hard, and I penetrate the square, the two holes would connect, forming a conjoined hole. If I poked another hole, and repeated the process, i would have 3 conjoined holes. 1 hole total. Much like a compound formula of the periodic table. We can keep on adding conjoining holes, and forming the clay square into a whole ant colony. So, the straw is just two conjoined holes, or 1 hole. If I were to take the shirt with 6 holes in it, it would technically be 8 conjoined holes, including the backs of the holes in the middle, so the shirt with holes in it is one hole. Which does prove Pheonix to be partly correct, but nobody could count the correct amount of holes in a shirt. Referring to the example of cutting the straw into pieces, our 6 conjoined hole square would be split in two, but each half would retain all 6 if you put one whole directly in the center of each side. So, even a square can duplicate its conjoined holes. Like the humble energy, it cannot be created or destroyed, only morphed. You would be morphing the straw, giving it more holes by technicality. You would achieve the same result of adding holes as cutting the shirt or square in halves. You are splitting the colony into multiple colonies, therefore increasing the amount of holes. So Wright's straw example was correct, and it is also true that straws have one hole, so everybody is partly correct, and bendy straws keep their count of holes. Putting the bits of the straw back together would reform the colonies, theoretically decreasing the amount of holes in the straw. For a shape to have two different holes, there has to be a gap inbetween both colonies. One hole. Problem solved.
@@shannonhoward4792 I agree with what you said. I had trouble explaining my thoughts on this, but I can see that we have the same idea. I like to think that the object itself determines the number of holes. What I mean is that a t-shirt and a straw are totally different when it comes to determinating the amount of holes. The straw is seen as if it were connected to something on both ends, like if a shirt has a hole through the middle, it would be on both sides. If you look at its entirety, you can see that it has the purpose of transferring at a constant. An escalator does the same. It travels at a constant speed in a certain direction, going to a specific place. I'm quite bad at giving my thoughts, so forgive me.
uhhhhhhh does the handle count as a hole????????
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- saul goodman
How many holes does a doughnut have? One.
If we extend a donut vertically, we get a straw-like shape.
Therefore a straw has one hole.
they're might be 2 openings but there is one hole in a straw. because that one hole is filling the entire straw, but there is 2 openings.
false, a hole has to have a bottom, otherwise it's a tunnel
@@UnknownGamer40464 And a tunnel is a hole
@@psgamer-il2pt nope
Nope. In topology straw has only 1 hole. So in science we accept that straw has only 1 hole@@UnknownGamer40464
The skewer sound with Manfred behind Miles is devious 💀
Bruh the cyborg wanted what he was smoking then said “actually maybe I don’t wanna lose all my brain cells”
0:30 We have thousands of holes due to our skin pores.
6:00 By cutting a straw, you only make new holes. A hole is the absence of matter, so they are all connected, meaning a straw has one hole. A hole can have multiple openings, which is what we call a tunnel.
The top had SEVEN holes in it, the skull would have TWO, the stabbed piece of paper would have ONE and the straw had ONE
Meh
How about we ask how many times a staw can be cut before it becomes smaller than atoms
This answers the question "What does legal council do between cases" in ace attorney
I agree with Wright. If you cut a straw multiple times you can get more holes
Well when you put it that way...
But then it's not the same body, you are getting a system of bodies that isn't an equivalent as the original body (a straw on a table is not the same as a multiple ring fragments on a table)
@@reviandelumiel2833 Put it back together
But the logic doesnt work, when you cut a straw you DO get more holes but you also get more straws, just shorter ones and the question was how many holes in ONE straw
@@stickman207 If cutting a straw in half gave you a new straw, they would've only ever made one straw.
One hole, it’s just a tunnel
This guy right here
We have the same opinions
Now we're legally opinion buddies
The I want what wright’s smoking killed me😂
One that goes through the whole straw.
Phoenix theory fall down in the moment in the moment you start adding openings to the straw, a Y shaped straw obviously has the same amount of holes as an X shaped straw
Humans have a constantly changing number of holes, pores for example
1:36 Edgeworth I will literally "Frankfurt am Main, Germany"
It depends on how hot it is. The temperature tells how fast the molecules are moving in the straw. And, the moving molecules form empty spaces in between them. Those are holes. So, I would prob say around 50 quintillion XD
Phoenix made me concerned by the end
Think about it its like if someone gets shot and the bullet goes through them, you'd say there's 1, not two.
"I'm her and I'm confused"
Yeah that's me in every video of this kind
4:57 These are just differences in elevation. Since it's the same object and none of those are enterences or exits they don't count here. Or do you want to couldn't every submolecular gap? Because that still isn't infinite, it's high, yet finite. And a spring doesn't really have any holes since it's a coiled metal string essentially.
I suppose it depends on how perceive the straw, like imagine instead of it just being a long hole, if you were to cut off a very small bit of the straw, you would most likely define it as a single hole. It’s hard to explain my thoughts without photographic aid. Maybe think of it like a tesseract, specifically how they describe one in a wrinkle in time
it depends on how the straw was made
if they just punched a hole into the straw from one side, its one hole
if they did that form both sides, its 2 holes
a straw has three holes, one from the south, one from the north and the one thats in the poor person i stabbed with a straw.
Its 1. Of you have an object with 2 holes and change its shape it will still have two holes, if you change a straw into a disk (imagine pulling a side apart on one end) it turns into a disk with a single hole.
The same way a balloon doesnt have a hole at all.
Since depth is required, but a bottom isn't, a straw has (or more accurately is) one hole with two openings.”
Technically it depends on wether you call the holes the number of entrances or go strictly by the definition, but a hollow piece with multiple interconecting entrances still has a singular hole.
One hole since for example you dig down in one way if you make the hole from 2 different sides then probably yeah 2 holes
5:51 *phoenix having a mental breakdown*
a straw is two holes and one tunnel 😎
I'd say two. Think about it like this, one of them takes in fluid, the other puts out fluid. They are distinct enough to say there are 2.
The shirt question does not prove anything because those holes are separate holes from the others and do not connect unlike a straw
i came to this video thinking there was 1 hole in a straw, and despite being scientifically correct, i'm now leaving with an existential crisis 😭
Just another day on the job.
No need to thank me, citizen.
According to topology, the shirt had 7 holes, not eight
The straw is a solid meaning that the atoms are all grouped together with slight gaps in between each other therefore it has hundreds of holes
A straw has two holes... Until it's submerged in a liquid. At that point, one of the holes is filled, turning the straw into a singular hole.
Love how phoenix wants to show his badge as evidence lmao
bro i got 4 minutes in and starting thinking "wheres the judge"
The problem is because the end of a hole does not equate a hole in and of itself. A straw has one hole with 2 ends. Same with a hole through the earth. You can jump in from 2 different directions, but it's the same hole
Aha, but there is only 1 hole if each opening is connected. There is one hole in the shirt :troll:
By Phonenixes logic of cutting a straw for more holes, 1 straw is actually infinite straws
I think they were getting "hole" mixed up with "tunnel". After all, a hypothetical tunnel leading from one end of the Earth to another would be a single tunnel; and yet, it would have two entrances on either side, and therefore, two holes. A straw is a similar case; one single tunnel with an opening, or "hole", on either side. The ripped-up shirt would have four holes (unless you also count the sleeves, neck, or bottom); two on the front, and two on the back. The "tunnel" in this case, would be the inside of the shirt.
Although, now that I think about it... If you have a tunnel that branches off into multiple paths, each with their own opening to the outside, would that still be one singular tunnel? Or would it be multiple tunnels, all connected to one another? And if there's an actual room somewhere in there (Like a basement surrounded by hallways), would that room be another tunnel? Part of a tunnel? _Not a tunnel at all?_ And if the room *IS* considered part of a tunnel: If more than one tunnel connects to it, how do we go about deciding which tunnel it should be a part of? Unless we say half of the room is part of one tunnel, and the other half belongs to the other tunnel... Unless there's _three tunnels?_ What if they're all on the *SAME SIDE?* I- Uh.....
My head hurts... DX
I guess you could say... they had.. tunnel vision
@@FrostDeino (Puts on sunglasses)
YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
OBJECTION!
A straw does NOT have holes. It has two openings.
For a straw to have a hole, it would have to have a solid end. But it ends with an opening.
So if I punch a hole in a wall and it goes all the way through
That's not a hole?
There is one point in wich nothing can cut the straw
when it becomes atomic
if you cut it you'll be cutting atoms
so basically it explodes
Wait are bottles holes?
i have a idea
it depends
Paper straws are made as a coil, so it could be Nan or Inf holes
Plastic (Made with a mold): Are made originally with 2 holes as the mold
But with plastic (By cutting the plastic whilst its hot) would make it one long continous hole
A straw has 3 holes, and no I will not elaborate.
Straws have one hole, and no one can tell me otherwise.
Topologically speaking, a straw is the same as a donut, so it has one hole.
Would you like to know how to turn a sphere inside out, without making a hole?
Yes
@@SalaciaYT Well, here is the video. ua-cam.com/video/OI-To1eUtuU/v-deo.html
No
2:27 Using Edgeworth's and Godot's logic, there is actually 4 holes in the shirt.