An ultra-capable trail runner! // HOKA MAFATE SPEED 4 // Ginger Runner Review
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The new Hoka Mafate Speed 4 is a solid choice for those looking to go long on the trails in all sorts of conditions. The shoe is durable, comfortable, grippy and a whole lot more. But it's not without its quirks. What do YOU think?
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1:49 - Likes
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The new Hoka Mafate Speed 4 is certainly a solid go-long trail shoe. But it has some quirks. What do YOU think? Snag a pair for yourself from links in the description!
I ran an 160k mountain race in Europe in them, and only used one pair. Gripped amazing, fit was perfect. I also like the tounge update, the 3 was too thin and the shoe bulky. This felt perfect. Favorite trail shoe of the year
Good review, I'm with you on stability but more than willing to arrange myself as the shoe is still "nimble" although high stack. The heel is a miss, debris comes in and a traditional heel was never a problem (in all my Hokas). The toe problem might be very personal, I don't have it with the MS4 but I have sometimes with other shoes, so here we go...all in all, great shoe for long, excellent grip on everything, still runnable in technical terrain with adaption, what more can you want ?
Yo bro im total nooobie, i tried Peregrine 12 and my foot was super happy with it well in the shop tho not in real condition. my question this model of Hoka is the same as a peregrine ? i saw a pair just saw and i say woaaaah its about the Fujispeed, the looks is crazzzzy ! but never tried them. if i have to chose just one of the 3 any advice ? :) thanks
It has the same major issue as the SG5 - the upper mesh has too much stretch to lock down the shoe. The footbed is also weirdly long and the toe is very prominent due to the design. The toe catch is another problem. The heel is also a miss.
It’s a lot of issues for a $185 dollar shoe. The durability is a concern given the foam used - it’s likely to go flat in 200 miles.
Totally in love with the comfort of these but I find the lite base vibram wear's a bit too easily and quickly compared to standard vibram in other footwear I have,love the profly + cushioning, probably one of my favourite runner's to ever go on my feet
Very good and HONEST reviews of shoes
Hey Ethan - thanks for the video! Excited for all the videos to come! A message from me - take your time and don't chain yourself to the editing suite just for us - we want you healthy and happy for the long term, we can always wait on a video. Take care!
Great review Ethan. I REALLY want to like Hokas but they need to sort out their upper and lockdown! Spot on with the swallow tail heel, I had debris get in there in the SG 5.
My favourite trail shoe yet... Lovit.
The lugs…Sounds like a perfect Michigan shoe!💛💙
OMG, I really struggled with my Clifton 8. I could figure out why I feel like the shoes curve up, and I thought it was the insole not working well. But as you described the bend due to the softness & tightening of laces - it makes perfect sense. I survived 800km with the Clifton. But it gave me blisters and I grew to resent them, but I got my money's worth!
Everything sounds great except the stability part which I need... SG5 lacked a little of that, it was slightly wider than I liked, a price concern too. Great review as always, exciting things to come!
I can't wait to see the review of the Nike Zegama
Been one of my favorite trail shoes of 2022! Fit my foot really well! Found it handled all the Beast Coast terrain very well
Great to hear! I imagine that grip is great on all the techy bits out yhere
I've been loving the grip the Mafate 4 brings, it's better than the SG5 and feels a little softer underfoot too. The price was high, but I don't regret the purchase!
I love these honest reviews because this shoe may be perfect Fer people with narrow feet or other foot types. For me, it should cause compression issues, especially with wider feet. Thanks for another amazing review.
With my wide foot. I really found them to be the best fit over my Salomon ane Asics trail shoes. The upper just fits so well and wide base makes it feel like a near perfect shoe. There's certainly always TOPO or Altra but they don't have a midsole as versatile as Hoka.
Yeah. Love this shoe so much and love how fast and free you can feel with that grip. I agree with your comment about the toe catch. I ended up putting some fabric tape inside and outside of the shoe to try and prevent the toe catch. Still loving runs in it and ready for the soggy winter weather!
@sidlord1000 It did help at the start, but wore out quickly. After 60 or so miles, it resolved itself as the shoes got broken in. Definitely would buy another pair after I wear these out.
@sidlord1000 the stretchy bit to the bumper got softer and was less likely to catch. Much better after and finished a 50k in them last month.
it gets the job done. has a padded tongue. amazingly the heel flare hasn't caught too many pebbles.
Hoka just seems very solidly reliable in my experience. Nice. 👍
I like it! First run was a Backyard Ultra and they felt great during my 25 loops. Basically no show of tear. 🤙🏻
Awesome! Congrats, what a first run!!
I had too many choices you've narrowed the field down it came down to Mafate 4 or the speedgoat 5 I settled on the Mafate 4 as it just felt a bit nicer for my likes. Thank you for the review it helped out a lot
Outrageous shoe! Soooo good compared to SG5. Man, I’m already 2 runs in and just loving it!
Finally tried a pair and instantly love. Wish I had not wasted money on SG5 as they are now dead to me. These are what speedgoat 5 should have been- pretty sure some new person at hoka mislabeled them at production and they just went with it.
They will go on sale late season. Same thing the 3 did. I got my 3s for 140.
Loving the feel of the Speedgoat 5, but the Mafate has me very interested to give a go for my spring Ultra. Feel like the drawbacks are very similar in both of the shoes. Cheers.
Mafate is much nicer than the (very good) Speedgoat 5. It's basically the Mach 5 of the trails. Nicer upper, nicer midsole, slightly better outsole.
Hmm. Have been tempted by this, but I am still running in the Mafate Speed 2, which have 800km on them and they are STILL going strong; upper still in one piece with a tiny bit of stitching coming out where I caught on a rock and Vibram still has some decent wear left. Bit concerned with what you said about stability and the last not being as stiff. Long time Hoka fan but find their more recent shoes just do not last as long...not a fan of the swallow tail on so many of their new shoes :/
I dont have the toebox issues or the debris as i am buying my shoes at a thight fit.. always had the SG4.. the SG5 is a disaster so now i am with these.. overall very comfy.. but on rocky technical terrain the outsole will damage very fast ..between the vibram lugs there is a lot of midsole exposed .. we need a hoka with completely covered vibram outsole... my speedgoat evo's heel tore off completely during a trailrace in Austria last year 🥲
Curious if you’ve had a chance to check out the Mafate Three2 yet….it looks like a completely different shoe! Thanks GR!
I'm interested but the price has to come down significantly before I get them. That heel is definitely disappointing, the SG5 let so much dirt in that I need gaiters for anything over 20 km in them.
Same issues with speedgoat 5. Heel flare and upper materials are bad. Evo mafate 3 was my last hokas. Vectiv enduris until they change those 3 things.
Same here. They removed some of the magic on speedgoats with version 5.
Just discovered vectiv enduris 2 and kind of liking them a lot after a few runs.
I bought these on a great discount. 140 bucks. They are my first trail shoes, and I bought them due to the similarities to the Mach 5, which is my favourite shoe ever. Looking forward to many kilometers in the trails :)
Hi. Even my favorite shoe is the Mach 5 and I’m very interested in the mafate 4. May I ask you how the mafates have performed to your expectations?
@@varunpotluri8387 I really love my Mafate Speed 4. The make me just as happy as my Mach 5 does when I'm running. They are my first pair of trail shoes though, so I don't have a lot to compare them with. But if Hoka shoes fot you, and you enjoy the Mach 5, then I think you'll love them.
Very comfortable shoe. But even just walking out of the parking lot, that toe catch on the upper several times was a deal breaker. No matter how I adjusted it, my toe would catch. Wouldn’t even be able to use them in the yard it was so bad so I tossed them.
Mine definitely began to break in more and has become less of a “danger”, but catch the toe every now and then in a bad way bugs the crap out of me!
I love these and have been running in them since September. However, I keep developing blisters on the side of my big toe. I never get blisters, and I wonder if it’s from the issues with the midsole curving up like you’ve mentioned.
I just received a pair of these I ordered. I tried them on and they feel great, but I instantly got your comment for the toe catch on my right foot. A solid half size smaller than my left foot. I think the shoes will be great, but that toe catch could be an issue. Would you recommend a heel grip to move more foot forward some as I have no issue on on the left foot. Or, any other recommendations on how to counter that joint area in the toe box?
I really want to love Hokas…but for some reason, my hips feel like their going to explode every time I run in any of their shoes. It’s the only brand I have this issue with (I run in the NB MoreV4, so I don’t get why Hokas won’t work for me?)
Great review as always!
I've run many miles in Hoka's, specifically the Mach line and the Speedgoats, and I do agree their fit is very, shall we say, interesting? I feel like I'm used to their technology but if I take Hoka out of my rotation for a couple of weeks and put them back in I can really sense the difference. I think partially it's how the shoe's kind of branch out like a tree from a tree trunk. Tight on the mid foot then a bit wider in the toe box
will there be an "EVO" version? I still have a pair of the speed goat evo and find it to be the best trail show i've ever run in.
I’m going to pass on this one even though it seems like a solid shoe. It’s definitely out of my target price range. Looking forward to the challenger atr 7, or buying a few cheep atr 6’s. Luckily I’ve been hoarding a pair of evo m 2’s.
wow thanks is it true to the hoka size like say the latest Speed Goat?
Also - this shoe looks minimalist compared to what the Mafate used to be 😂
Tecton X or Mafante Speed, Which shoe you pickin'?
Meh. Lost me at "responsive" (hard). I like the Stinson; the outsole width, the fit, enough cushion. Everything but the weight. I was hoping for a "Stinson Lite" with the Mafate 4. I'll keep looking. SG is also hard, and does weird things medially with my foot plant, maybe I tried on a defective pair where the upper was attached to the midsole wrong.
"Discounts not applicable. Restricted by manufacturer."
Just FYI. Hokas have been excluded from the discount code for over a year now
Any thoughts on how this version #4 compares to the last model? I’m seeing them on sale on some sights and was wondering how they compare, thanks in advance for you thoughts. Have a great weekend everyone.
it's a totally different shoe, I would NOT recommend getting the older model despite the sale price.
Yeah, this is a pretty solid update. I’d stick with the 4 or other comparable offerings from other brands (Zegama, caldera, etc)
I know this is a super late comment but how would you compare the width on these to your recently reviewed Trabuco Max 3? Thanks!
Can I use it for walking only ? Thank you
Apex 2 Pro on the wrist
Comin soon :)
@@TheGingerRunner got it on my wrist too. Upgraded from pro
I really wish Hoka would update it with new colours, cause the men’s colours suck😂
Does it come in a wide option?
Ooo, thought it was going to be a “try”. Quite a few notable negatives and the price seals the deal. Not for me
Now, with a BF discount I don't need to think of the cost, just features.
So having a choice between new Hoka toys, Mafate wins against Speedgoat.
Looking elsewhere, I'd must try SAUCONY, the Xodus Ultra.
I’m torn between the Speedgoat 5 and the Mafate Speed 4. What would you recommend? I retired a pair of Speedgoat 3’s. Really enjoyed running in those.
Same!
JW - I'd say this since I have both of those. The MafSPeed4 is a better fitting/hugging shoe, and the outsole is (to me) better than the SG5, as is the TONGUE (man that tongue is so nice, hate that thin too-short tongue on the Speedgoat). I have had zero toe catch issues on the fabric as Ethan apparently experienced. I think the material is good, durable, but might not "give" as much as SG5 but I also use ALTRA shoes and my toes are not tiny. ZERO issues with the MafSpeed 4, and I'm a former EvoMafate2 user. Have fun out there!
@@ericperramond3463 Thank you! So as an Altra user, you had no issues with the toebox on SG5 and Maf4?
@@antidepressants9232 I think it depends on how wide your foot is. I'm a tad more snug, but comfortable, in the Mafates than I am in the Speedgoats. I think the jacquard mesh is a little stiffer on the sides but I have had zero issues with my big toe/pinkie toe issues even up to 20 miles. Would I run 50-100 miles in the Maf? Uh, not sure about that but for anything trail marathon or less, I think it's a great choice. And that tread grip and tongue! Amazing. I think they'll last, too.
Honestly, I’d stick with these over the SG. Just better across all conditions for sure.
what I really miss in all the reviews is the information if this shoe is any waterproof or at least resistant?
They are not. It's not mentioned in the reviews because it's almost never the case with (trail) running shoes. You can generally assume that they aren't and only a really small number (often made for winter running) of models have some kind of membrane. In those cases it will be pointed out.
Yeah, what Florian said. It’s only talked about when the shoe actually utilizes waterproof fabrics/membranes (rare and more niche). Assume all trail (and any for that matter) shoes absorb water. Drainage is usually talked about when it’s an issue.
Curious how this differs from the Speedgoat? Why/when would I go for one over the other?
The Mafate Speed 4 will feel a lot snappier and faster I think. The speegoat 5 is still very much a tank
Astrum, no no! It's quite the opposite!
Just tried them both. MAFATE is a tank, still with 2 foams it moves well.
Then SG⁵ feels so nimble in comparison. The rockered shape helps to turn your legs quicker.
SG is for easier faster trails
MS for a long trip.
Ive had my eye on these for a while and was going to buy them from REI using the 20% off coupon code and boom I get a message saying its not eligible for discount…boo
I think the GRCrew coupon works on RW above!
I still do not understand why to make shoes that are not the shape or the healthy feet
Is it like a trail version of Mach 5?
Not quite. More underfoot and a bit less nimble.
Not sure why Hoka has adopted this swallow tail heel. So much of the shape of this heel to me feels insecure. I digress, anybody else miss the Speedgoat 2 or even 3?
Would you say they're any more narrow than the SG5?
I hope they are, liked the SG5 but to wide
Actually the reverse way. The area which get my pinky toes squeezed in SG⁵ is growing to nice wide toe box in Mafate.
Narrow fit is what made me stay away from SG³ and ⁴.
Now, having both to try I can say:
-SG is slim & nimble, more firm % rockered
-MS is like a tank, reminds me the Olympus from Altra, but trimmed (not so crazy wide).
Note - for my rather wide feet I choose Mafate. Although, I can see your point - the upper in SG⁵ is so soft that makes it feel loose, too roomy.
Note, the upper in MS⁴ is more coarse, more tightly knitted fabric.
That may actually keep a narrower feet better 🤔
Hope it helps.
this mafate speed 4 does not remind you a lot to the last speedgoat????? about the toesbox… short-cutting the nails? 😂
Those lugs don't last 140 miles on rocky rough terrain. Literally the worst performing trail show (from a durability perspective) I've bought in recent years.
Will I buy another pair...probably.
Maybe it's pronounced 'jerk-hard'
Who ever designed the sole and tread should keep their job. Whoever at Hoka comes up with all these crazy and girly color schemes that all seem to look the same needs to be fired. They are always so ugly and that’s what keeps me from buying them. Very few have any appeal to me honestly.
jacquard. jacquard!
actually, I have no idea how it's pronounced