Nice review! I love mine. They were awesome on the Arc. I find them super grippy on everything, somehow super bouncy whilst retaining decent ground feel, and I've never been more confident running downhill fast in technical or slippy conditions. Only downside is they take ages to dry (although drain quickly). Also, I've ended up going up half a size in a second pair for a bit more room in the forefoot.
Sorry Tim I've only run once in the Mafate Speed 4's and I did fancy 250 mile round trip! 😊 The Mafate does have a completely different set up to the Speedgoat so It might perfirm better? I guess time will tell, thanks for watching 🙏
Been using these since their birth in the early autumn here.Been through mountains,mud,water and Arc 50 recently and they have coped admirably with everything.Clocked up enough miles now and already getting excited about getting another pair.I loved the Evo 2 in these.But the 4 comes out on top easily,the middle of the shoe with it's extra give and less weight makes a huge difference.Great review there Mr 👍, keep up the superb work
Nice review mate I like them but they’re too narrow rubbing my little toe need to offer a wide version like SPG definitely narrower than the Evo mafate & Tecton X the dynamic Lycra vamp on top doesn’t really stretch much unfortunately the new upper on the Tec X 2 is similar so they’ve ruined that shoe as well!
I would thoroughly recommend them. I did the Serpent 100k in a pair of Salomon Speedcross 5s in 2021 and they were OK up to about 50 miles and then the blisters came. I now have a pair of Mafates and the comfort is on another level (with comparable grip). Good luck.
@@marosmikolas624 Personally, I wouldn't normally keep a pair of shoes for 1000km. That said, I still have my Mafates and they're still great shoes (not great grip in REALLY muddy conditions though). Did a 50k recently in them and had no issues at all. I do alternate these with some Exodus Ultras. If by harsh, you mean rocky, then I'm not sure many shoes would comfortably last for 1000km.
Toe box will open up a bit, so for average feet the MS4 should be fine. I think this is the compromise to make if you wanna run technical terrain with a high stack...great shoe !
Really like mine, grip is unbelievable and very comfortable fit. They pick up noticeable weight when wet and do pick up mud more than speedgoats due to lugs, but it’s a trade off for superior grip and feel they give you when things get ugly.
Thanks Lloyd. I have knees issues and the speedgoat get me knee pain around 50k. Do you think the Mafate would be a bit more cushioned than the goat and be closer cushion-wide to the ATR? Thanks
No worries Matthieu 👍 Firstly, have you had your knee looked at by a professional to see what's causing the problem? It's hard for shoe to take away knee pain and I'd always try and find out what causing it. I personally think the Mafate midsole is better that the Speedgoat, it feels a bit more responsive and stable 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
Uggg, SpeedGoats a much better shoe for me. After two runs in these I am finding them much stiffer, SG's feel more cushioned for me. Maybe because of the sub-zero temps and this midsole needs warmer temps. I do like the outsole better on the Mafate better though. 🇨🇦
A lot of these branded outsoles are no joke. Recently tested a shoe that didn't have one of the branded (Vibram, Continental, Goodyear) outsoles, and it got shredded by the elements. Maybe it's just me.
I ran the South Devon Marathon in this just a few days ago and I'm in love with the shoe. Soo much better than the SG5 in my opinion (Better cushion, traction, fit!! And I hope durability although that will be easy (got 250k out of my SG5). And I like it more than my Xodus Ultra because of the bottomless cushion except in the most technical rocky stuff where you can singe down the Ultras upper better and have a bit of preciser footing.
Thanks for the review. I've had a pair since December (managed to get them for £110 from Size? with a post-Xmas discount code). I love them to pieces. Was looking for a distance shoe to replace my Salomon Speedcross 5s and the Mafates are definitely that shoe. So much more comfortable but with a comparable grip (and less of an extreme drop). They're fantastic in muddy condition and the lugs clear reasonably well. Would have no issues with doing 50k+ in them. The toe box is perfect for me (SG4s were far too narrow). If you have the chance to try before you buy (or can send back with a 30 day no quibble guarantee from Hoka or similar) then go for it. (If they fit you) You won't regret it. Will be using them at The Grizzly in Seaton in March and have total confidence in them.
This came just too late for the Arc for me as (I went out on a limb and chose the Nordas, which were faultless) but these are definitely next in the shopping list for me It was a shame I couldn’t say hello on the Arc because I’m sure I heard your voice at some point (or perhaps that was the hallucinations 😄) - maybe next year! Thanks for all the reviews - if Loyd hasn’t reviewed it, I’m not buying it!!
The Mafate Speed 4s are currently my favorite trail shoe. I used to run in Speed Goat 5s (ee width) but found the midsole foam to be too soft & squishy while the upper was too stretchy/messy, which lead to some ankle rolls. Also, the upper on the SG5 tore in the same spot on 2 separate pairs. The Mafates fit my foot great (I don't need a wide version, which they don't make anyway), it has the best grip/lugs of any shoe I've ran in, perfect amount of tongue padding, great lockdown, descent weight for the amount of protection they offer, and the midsole is fire. I have 150 miles on mine and they work great on the rugged New England trails I run. I also feel like I sit more IN the platform of the shoe, as opposed to more ON the platform of the shoe in the SG5. That, combined with the wide midsole outline gives the shoe great stability for those worrying about rolling an ankle on technical terrain.
Great video as always! Love your attitude. I really would love if you gave the shoes 1 second of stiffness test/ bending of the forefoot. As a new runner with hallux limitus it is difficult to find out which shoes are stiffer than others. Cheers!
This! With it being so hard to try on shoes in a shop, I find myself searching videos to see if the reviewer does this when handling the shoe. I can tell straight away if it looks suitable for my HR (right foot) and HL (left foot).
@@BenitoR2 exactly the same for me. I watch all the videos about a shoe, hoping for a little bending test while they hold the shoe in their hands for 10 minutes.
You could definitely use the Mafate Speed 4 for a flat, trail 100km 👍 I’m sure Hoka will produce a Mafate Speed 5 at some point. Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
Bought a set ofnthe Exodus ultras the other week had them out on the lakedistrict fells and I must say I'm so impressed with them. Had everything rocks, mud, soddon grass.. super steep wet banks and didn't miss a beat. Not as grippy as the vj xtrms on wet rocks but absolutely awesome on everything else.... wipes the floor with any inoshite thats for sure.
Bought a pair after trying on all the trail options in the running shop - during some light testing they felt like the best balance for weight, grip, ruggedness and responsiveness when changing direction - happy to see the raving reviews back this up!
Would love to run in these. Everything about this shoe looks amazing, but I just couldn’t go back to that Hoka toe box. That early taper plays havoc with my long toes 😂😂
I have to go up 2 sizes and get wide fit, not sure if they do wide fit in this one but in the speedgoat it works ok even if it makes my feet look huge.
They were perfect. Great cushion and protection with no hot spots or blisters; I could not ask for more! I am making better shoe choices by purchasing from local running shops (trying on for fit etc) now, than when I bought shoes online.
I will be keen to hear your final review, especially considering a comparison with Speedgoat 5 (and Xodus Ultra too or 2:). Both HOKA 2022 newcomers are promising a lot ...and different a lot. I did not like the rocker shape and... the narrow fit of the SG5. For both reasons my feet landed in MS4. Sooo, hearing that MS4 feels narrow took me by surprise! Now, that made me think: - MAFATE upper is not as stretchy as in the SPEEDGOAT - people's feet are so much different that describing the width is a very individual thing - as the shoes grow from size to size, what happens to their length to width proportions? 🤔 So, my rather short (UK8) but wide feet, with a high instep require quite a lot of volume from the upper. SG5 felt more than fine, putting them on was as easy as jumping into slippers. Yet, my toes were much happier in MS4. Another interesting note - Salomon shoes are known for being narrow. So what. The upper in my Speedcross 5 is nice and soft, getting a half size smaller did no harm. Black toe nails? - never. Cheers!
Completely agree...I don't think the MS4 is a narrow shoe, but it's not for wieder feet though. I have an average foot but struggle quite often with shoes because of shape (Saucony Peregrine 10, Hoka SG3, Just narrow at the wrong places...), the MS4 is perfect, especially as the toebox opens up. I guess more room would Limit the shoe to more non-technical terrain, as I had to get used to the high stack first.
Thanks, Loyd. Hoka has great design but my Mafate 4s were poorly manufactured: 2 eyeholes tore out after 15 total miles! My Speedgoat 5s lost three lugs by the 3rd run. Norda 001 and the Naked T/r cost more up front but there’s no comparison in terms of quality and therefore value.
I've heard a few people mention the eyelet issues Troy, it looks like there was a bad bunch of shoes that got through production? 🤔 I totally agree, it's really not good enough and I'll be keeping an eye on it. Hopefully I won't have the same issue because the shoes feel great 👍 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
I bought a pair of these in Chamonix last year when they came out. My thoughts were that they'd provide a bit more protection and grip on really rocky terrain, compared to the Speedgoat 5 (which I love but the sole got a bit trashed in the Snowdon skyline last year!). I ended up using them in the Nice 100k UTMB event in September. I'd been expecting glorious Mediterranean sunshine and what we got was cold and pouring rain all day! BUT the Mafates were fantastic in the really slippy muddy conditions, v glad I didn't opt for the Speedgoat. Looking forward to using them in the mountains again this year.
I really wanted to like these they ran and felt great but had a defect on mine, the 2nd lace eyelet from the top was manufactured too close to the end and ripped through when tightening the laces the second time I wore them. This also happened to a woman while she was trying them on in the shop. I returned mine and went back to the trusty speedgoat. I may try them again if they have sorted this. I did see a few reviews on the Hoka website with people complaining about the same thing, so it may have just been a bad batch. Great video though.
I've heard this a few times Ryan, I think there must of been a badly manufactured bunch 🤔 Mine seem to be ok so hopefully I won't have the same issue. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Was going to order this one as i thought it was wider than your average Hoka. I loved the MS2 - that got me through a few ultras. But the MS3 and Evo just blistered my arches. After your review I’m thinking I’ll pass on these and look elsewhere.
I must admit this is the first Hoka shoes I have finally chosen to buy. Funny thing is - I went to the local store to get the SpeedGoat 5 and "run away" in Mafate Speed 4! What I was hoping was the width. SG5 promises to be a bit more forgiving because of the stretchy upper fabric, but it is still narrowing badly towards the front, squeezing my pinky toes. And so I tried the MS4 - a perfect fit from the first try. After a few runs - still perfect. Am I surprised to hear Mafate feeling narrow? Yes and No. We all have different foot shape. So please try them if possible.
Great review Lloyd, this looks like a great shoe. Please can you recommend a shoe for the GU 145 race I have in May? It is 145 miles on canal towpaths and I really want to get the shoe selection right.
Cheers Martin, glad you enjoyed the video. I know the GUCR well, it's a fantastic race! Obviously a lot of it comes down to weather conditions, it can be really dry or a bit muddy. What shoe do you normally run in?
@@Run4Adventure Thanks for getting back to me Lloyd. I do my long trail runs in Altras usually but like the fit of Topos better due to the 4mm drop. However, the Topo midsoles feel a little dead and unresponsive. Just wondering if a road shoe would be better if it is dry? I use the Trail Peg 4gtx when it is wet.
@@martinpullen595 If its dry you could definitely get away with a road shoe Martin. I personally think a bit of a heel off set is good for those kind of distances. But if you're use to running a long way with a zero drop you should be fine 😊
I’d like to see how Mafate performs on wet and muddy surfaces…I have speed goats 3 and they are absolutely awful when it is wet. Each time I fell using them on wet.
We'll be testing them out on some muddy stuff before our full review hopefully Marek 👍 I totally agree, the SG 3 wasn't the best on the mud! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
I did say several times in the video that I found it quite narrow in the toe box Joseph. I'd say it's got less width than the Peregrine 10's 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
Like I said in the video, it's not a wide shoe John. Obviously it really depends on how wide your feet are, I would suggest trying a pair on if you can 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
It felt really good on it first run, I've got high hopes for the Mafate Speed 4's 😊 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
I think there a few more costs for Hoka than just production Paul. Staff, business premises, sponsored athletes, global marketing, online presence and so on! 👍 I totally agree running shoe prices are getting a bit crazy but Hoka aren't making £158 profit on a pair of Mafates 😊
@@Run4Adventure Exactly ! And you're by no means a "certain" company guy, for the shoes I own I would agree with your reviews by 90%, which is unbelievable...the art of reviewing is to stay objective, and you're mastering this discipline also !
We need a Mafate 4 vs Speedgoat 5 comparison Loyd!!
It could be coming soon! 😉
@@Run4Adventure exciting!!! 😊
Nice review! I love mine. They were awesome on the Arc. I find them super grippy on everything, somehow super bouncy whilst retaining decent ground feel, and I've never been more confident running downhill fast in technical or slippy conditions. Only downside is they take ages to dry (although drain quickly). Also, I've ended up going up half a size in a second pair for a bit more room in the forefoot.
I tried them on and found them wider than the standard narrow hoka 🤷🏼♂️, great shoe!
Looks like they started from Mach 5 with very similar dual layer setup and added Vibram outsole and toe bumper for trail use.
I got these as my first pair trail shoes because I LOVE the Profly+ in my Mach 5. I have absolutely no regrets.
Would love to know what they're like after 250 miles. My current Speedgoats aren't built to the standard they were a year or two back.
Sorry Tim I've only run once in the Mafate Speed 4's and I did fancy 250 mile round trip! 😊
The Mafate does have a completely different set up to the Speedgoat so It might perfirm better? I guess time will tell, thanks for watching 🙏
Been using these since their birth in the early autumn here.Been through mountains,mud,water and Arc 50 recently and they have coped admirably with everything.Clocked up enough miles now and already getting excited about getting another pair.I loved the Evo 2 in these.But the 4 comes out on top easily,the middle of the shoe with it's extra give and less weight makes a huge difference.Great review there Mr 👍, keep up the superb work
You should also try the New Balance more trail v2
Colour co-ordination game on point bru!!! ;-)
Cheers Martin, glad you think so and thanks for watching 🙏😊
Nice review mate I like them but they’re too narrow rubbing my little toe need to offer a wide version like SPG definitely narrower than the Evo mafate & Tecton X the dynamic Lycra vamp on top doesn’t really stretch much unfortunately the new upper on the Tec X 2 is similar so they’ve ruined that shoe as well!
I absolutely love my pair and wore them for The Arc this year and they were flawless.
i'm trying to decide between mafate speed 4 and xodus ultra. i'd love to watch a comparison video between them
Definitely a potential shoe for me at the serpent.....between these and the saucony exodus ultra. The mafates do look really good
I would thoroughly recommend them. I did the Serpent 100k in a pair of Salomon Speedcross 5s in 2021 and they were OK up to about 50 miles and then the blisters came. I now have a pair of Mafates and the comfort is on another level (with comparable grip). Good luck.
@@HenryWDavey And what about durability of shoe on harsh condition trails? 😊 Is it possible to make 1000km in them?
@@marosmikolas624 Personally, I wouldn't normally keep a pair of shoes for 1000km. That said, I still have my Mafates and they're still great shoes (not great grip in REALLY muddy conditions though). Did a 50k recently in them and had no issues at all. I do alternate these with some Exodus Ultras. If by harsh, you mean rocky, then I'm not sure many shoes would comfortably last for 1000km.
Nice review. Why would you choose these over the speedgoat 5’s.
Toe box will open up a bit, so for average feet the MS4 should be fine. I think this is the compromise to make if you wanna run technical terrain with a high stack...great shoe !
Waited till the end to see if the Xodus would get mention! Cracking review as usual 👍🏿
Really like mine, grip is unbelievable and very comfortable fit. They pick up noticeable weight when wet and do pick up mud more than speedgoats due to lugs, but it’s a trade off for superior grip and feel they give you when things get ugly.
The mafate evo 2 was an amazing shoe as well. Just ordered the 4 - hopefully he can do the same for me.
Thanks Lloyd. I have knees issues and the speedgoat get me knee pain around 50k. Do you think the Mafate would be a bit more cushioned than the goat and be closer cushion-wide to the ATR? Thanks
No worries Matthieu 👍
Firstly, have you had your knee looked at by a professional to see what's causing the problem? It's hard for shoe to take away knee pain and I'd always try and find out what causing it. I personally think the Mafate midsole is better that the Speedgoat, it feels a bit more responsive and stable 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
Uggg, SpeedGoats a much better shoe for me. After two runs in these I am finding them much stiffer, SG's feel more cushioned for me. Maybe because of the sub-zero temps and this midsole needs warmer temps. I do like the outsole better on the Mafate better though. 🇨🇦
A lot of these branded outsoles are no joke. Recently tested a shoe that didn't have one of the branded (Vibram, Continental, Goodyear) outsoles, and it got shredded by the elements. Maybe it's just me.
I ran the South Devon Marathon in this just a few days ago and I'm in love with the shoe. Soo much better than the SG5 in my opinion (Better cushion, traction, fit!! And I hope durability although that will be easy (got 250k out of my SG5).
And I like it more than my Xodus Ultra because of the bottomless cushion except in the most technical rocky stuff where you can singe down the Ultras upper better and have a bit of preciser footing.
Thanks for the review. I've had a pair since December (managed to get them for £110 from Size? with a post-Xmas discount code). I love them to pieces. Was looking for a distance shoe to replace my Salomon Speedcross 5s and the Mafates are definitely that shoe. So much more comfortable but with a comparable grip (and less of an extreme drop). They're fantastic in muddy condition and the lugs clear reasonably well. Would have no issues with doing 50k+ in them. The toe box is perfect for me (SG4s were far too narrow). If you have the chance to try before you buy (or can send back with a 30 day no quibble guarantee from Hoka or similar) then go for it. (If they fit you) You won't regret it. Will be using them at The Grizzly in Seaton in March and have total confidence in them.
This came just too late for the Arc for me as (I went out on a limb and chose the Nordas, which were faultless) but these are definitely next in the shopping list for me
It was a shame I couldn’t say hello on the Arc because I’m sure I heard your voice at some point (or perhaps that was the hallucinations 😄) - maybe next year!
Thanks for all the reviews - if Loyd hasn’t reviewed it, I’m not buying it!!
The Mafate Speed 4s are currently my favorite trail shoe. I used to run in Speed Goat 5s (ee width) but found the midsole foam to be too soft & squishy while the upper was too stretchy/messy, which lead to some ankle rolls. Also, the upper on the SG5 tore in the same spot on 2 separate pairs. The Mafates fit my foot great (I don't need a wide version, which they don't make anyway), it has the best grip/lugs of any shoe I've ran in, perfect amount of tongue padding, great lockdown, descent weight for the amount of protection they offer, and the midsole is fire. I have 150 miles on mine and they work great on the rugged New England trails I run. I also feel like I sit more IN the platform of the shoe, as opposed to more ON the platform of the shoe in the SG5. That, combined with the wide midsole outline gives the shoe great stability for those worrying about rolling an ankle on technical terrain.
Great video as always! Love your attitude.
I really would love if you gave the shoes 1 second of stiffness test/ bending of the forefoot. As a new runner with hallux limitus it is difficult to find out which shoes are stiffer than others. Cheers!
This! With it being so hard to try on shoes in a shop, I find myself searching videos to see if the reviewer does this when handling the shoe. I can tell straight away if it looks suitable for my HR (right foot) and HL (left foot).
@@BenitoR2 exactly the same for me. I watch all the videos about a shoe, hoping for a little bending test while they hold the shoe in their hands for 10 minutes.
Good evening Run4adventure and all the runners. Thanks for this informaticon about the mafate speed4. Like for Loyd. A nice week for everyone.
Thank you so much 🙏...pls review Saucony Excursion Tr16 GTX.
Late to the party here. Great review! Is there a Mafate Speed 5? Would you recommend this shoe for a flat 100km ultra?
You could definitely use the Mafate Speed 4 for a flat, trail 100km 👍 I’m sure Hoka will produce a Mafate Speed 5 at some point. Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
@@Run4Adventure awesome, thank you
I loved the Evo Mafate 1 & 2 a true unsung hero of a trail shoe. Great matrix upper and sole.
Why no Evo Mafate 4?
Bought a set ofnthe Exodus ultras the other week had them out on the lakedistrict fells and I must say I'm so impressed with them. Had everything rocks, mud, soddon grass.. super steep wet banks and didn't miss a beat. Not as grippy as the vj xtrms on wet rocks but absolutely awesome on everything else.... wipes the floor with any inoshite thats for sure.
Bought a pair after trying on all the trail options in the running shop - during some light testing they felt like the best balance for weight, grip, ruggedness and responsiveness when changing direction - happy to see the raving reviews back this up!
nice. think they could be a replacement for my beloved evo SGs.
Would love to run in these. Everything about this shoe looks amazing, but I just couldn’t go back to that Hoka toe box. That early taper plays havoc with my long toes 😂😂
I have to go up 2 sizes and get wide fit, not sure if they do wide fit in this one but in the speedgoat it works ok even if it makes my feet look huge.
@@trailsandbeers I tried the wide fit and upped the sizing, unfortunately it’s the early tapering of the toe box that doesn’t work for me
@@Predazord007 Try Topo, I have the Pursuit and mtn-racer, they fit better than the hoka wide fit, a much better toe box.
@@trailsandbeers Great suggestion, just took delivery of Ultraventure 3s and have mtn racers 2s. Love Topo, just wish that they had a touch more Cush
Good review but there’s no need to shout - the microphone is right there!
Glad you enjoyed the video Andy 👍
I will be using my Mafate 4’s this weekend in the Tarawera Miler in Rotorua. 😁
Awesome, have a great race 👍😊
How did they work for you?
They were perfect. Great cushion and protection with no hot spots or blisters; I could not ask for more!
I am making better shoe choices by purchasing from local running shops (trying on for fit etc) now, than when I bought shoes online.
@@brizzie2009 That's good to hear! Buying your shoes from running shops is always the best option if you can do it 👍
Glad your race went well 😊
Good review. Ordered mine last week and looking forward to when they arrive even more now that I have seen your video. 🇨🇦
Great review, shame it's narrow 😢 Thats the Gilet you had on 🤔
I will be keen to hear your final review, especially considering a comparison with Speedgoat 5 (and Xodus Ultra too or 2:). Both HOKA 2022 newcomers are promising a lot ...and different a lot.
I did not like the rocker shape and... the narrow fit of the SG5. For both reasons my feet landed in MS4. Sooo, hearing that MS4 feels narrow took me by surprise!
Now, that made me think:
- MAFATE upper is not as stretchy as in the SPEEDGOAT
- people's feet are so much different that describing the width is a very individual thing
- as the shoes grow from size to size, what happens to their length to width proportions? 🤔
So, my rather short (UK8) but wide feet, with a high instep require quite a lot of volume from the upper. SG5 felt more than fine, putting them on was as easy as jumping into slippers.
Yet, my toes were much happier in MS4.
Another interesting note - Salomon shoes are known for being narrow. So what. The upper in my Speedcross 5 is nice and soft, getting a half size smaller did no harm. Black toe nails? - never.
Cheers!
Completely agree...I don't think the MS4 is a narrow shoe, but it's not for wieder feet though. I have an average foot but struggle quite often with shoes because of shape (Saucony Peregrine 10, Hoka SG3, Just narrow at the wrong places...), the MS4 is perfect, especially as the toebox opens up. I guess more room would Limit the shoe to more non-technical terrain, as I had to get used to the high stack first.
Thanks,
Loyd. Hoka has great design but my Mafate 4s were poorly manufactured: 2 eyeholes tore out after 15 total miles! My Speedgoat 5s lost three lugs by the 3rd run. Norda 001 and the Naked T/r cost more up front but there’s no comparison in terms of quality and therefore value.
I've heard a few people mention the eyelet issues Troy, it looks like there was a bad bunch of shoes that got through production? 🤔
I totally agree, it's really not good enough and I'll be keeping an eye on it. Hopefully I won't have the same issue because the shoes feel great 👍
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Evening Loyd… nice 👍 looking shoe..
I bought a pair of these in Chamonix last year when they came out. My thoughts were that they'd provide a bit more protection and grip on really rocky terrain, compared to the Speedgoat 5 (which I love but the sole got a bit trashed in the Snowdon skyline last year!). I ended up using them in the Nice 100k UTMB event in September. I'd been expecting glorious Mediterranean sunshine and what we got was cold and pouring rain all day! BUT the Mafates were fantastic in the really slippy muddy conditions, v glad I didn't opt for the Speedgoat. Looking forward to using them in the mountains again this year.
That's great to hear Phil, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
I really wanted to like these they ran and felt great but had a defect on mine, the 2nd lace eyelet from the top was manufactured too close to the end and ripped through when tightening the laces the second time I wore them. This also happened to a woman while she was trying them on in the shop. I returned mine and went back to the trusty speedgoat. I may try them again if they have sorted this. I did see a few reviews on the Hoka website with people complaining about the same thing, so it may have just been a bad batch. Great video though.
I've heard this a few times Ryan, I think there must of been a badly manufactured bunch 🤔
Mine seem to be ok so hopefully I won't have the same issue. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Was going to order this one as i thought it was wider than your average Hoka. I loved the MS2 - that got me through a few ultras. But the MS3 and Evo just blistered my arches. After your review I’m thinking I’ll pass on these and look elsewhere.
I must admit this is the first Hoka shoes I have finally chosen to buy. Funny thing is - I went to the local store to get the SpeedGoat 5 and "run away" in Mafate Speed 4!
What I was hoping was the width. SG5 promises to be a bit more forgiving because of the stretchy upper fabric, but it is still narrowing badly towards the front, squeezing my pinky toes.
And so I tried the MS4 - a perfect fit from the first try. After a few runs - still perfect.
Am I surprised to hear Mafate feeling narrow? Yes and No. We all have different foot shape. So please try them if possible.
I liked the mafate 3 a lot. Haven't tried the 4 yet
Great review Lloyd, this looks like a great shoe. Please can you recommend a shoe for the GU 145 race I have in May? It is 145 miles on canal towpaths and I really want to get the shoe selection right.
Cheers Martin, glad you enjoyed the video. I know the GUCR well, it's a fantastic race! Obviously a lot of it comes down to weather conditions, it can be really dry or a bit muddy. What shoe do you normally run in?
@@Run4Adventure Thanks for getting back to me Lloyd. I do my long trail runs in Altras usually but like the fit of Topos better due to the 4mm drop. However, the Topo midsoles feel a little dead and unresponsive. Just wondering if a road shoe would be better if it is dry? I use the Trail Peg 4gtx when it is wet.
@@martinpullen595 If its dry you could definitely get away with a road shoe Martin. I personally think a bit of a heel off set is good for those kind of distances. But if you're use to running a long way with a zero drop you should be fine 😊
I’d like to see how Mafate performs on wet and muddy surfaces…I have speed goats 3 and they are absolutely awful when it is wet. Each time I fell using them on wet.
We'll be testing them out on some muddy stuff before our full review hopefully Marek 👍
I totally agree, the SG 3 wasn't the best on the mud! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
They are nice and grippy in the mud and quite comfy on the road /trail to
@@damedavidfrith55 That's good to hear that they're ok in the mud David 😊
How’s the toe box? Haven’t found any toe box as wide as my peregrine 10s, not including Altra’s or Topo’s.
I did say several times in the video that I found it quite narrow in the toe box Joseph. I'd say it's got less width than the Peregrine 10's 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
@@Run4Adventure lol. You did say that. I should have watched the entire video before asking!
@@josephsantangelo2801 No worries 😁
Any rock plate in them mate?🤔
To be fair Rob, with the amount of cushioning in the PROFLY midsole it doesn't really need one 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching mate 🙏
Loved the 3s, the 4s are even better. Love love love them!
They felt really good on their first run, I'm glad you're enjoying yours! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏😊
is it okay for wide feet like mine? 0
Like I said in the video, it's not a wide shoe John. Obviously it really depends on how wide your feet are, I would suggest trying a pair on if you can 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
My favorite trail shoes to date
It felt really good on it first run, I've got high hopes for the Mafate Speed 4's 😊
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
£160 ? It's getting ridiculous now , these things are made in China for a few quid
I think there a few more costs for Hoka than just production Paul. Staff, business premises, sponsored athletes, global marketing, online presence and so on! 👍
I totally agree running shoe prices are getting a bit crazy but Hoka aren't making £158 profit on a pair of Mafates 😊
Seems your more on the shoe company's side mate..
I'm not on anyone's side, it's just a really good running shoe 👍
@@Run4Adventure Exactly ! And you're by no means a "certain" company guy, for the shoes I own I would agree with your reviews by 90%, which is unbelievable...the art of reviewing is to stay objective, and you're mastering this discipline also !
@@Thefifaplayeryant
That's very kind and I'm glad you feel that way about our reviews, it means a lot 🙏😊