What a gorgeous day for a train ride. Great scenery, a fast train, and beautiful small towns I am looking forward to parts 2 and 3 of this trip. Thanks for showing me a part of the world that my eyes will never see in reality.
@ivanhoe818 Great. I am happy to hear that. There will be published soon another journey from the winter time. The second part was published last week.
Excellent work. The part of the track between Zagreb and Karlovac will be reconstructed by 2025, which will also include adding of the 2nd parallel track and rehabilitation of all stations and stops along the way. Some stations will be converted into stops. Construction works are due to start this Thursday.
@@ymeshulin Unfortunatelly, there was a major decrease in proper maintenance of railway infrastructure in Croatia, roughly in the period between country's independence and early 2010's. The governments were more focusing on building of highway network. Happily, some major railway infrastructure recovering started to occur, but until 2030, travelling by train on inter city level in Croatia will still be highly unpopular due to slow speed ot trains.
@@ymeshulin With modernization of Zagreb-Karlovac (double-track and 160km/h) and pretty likely completely new Karlovac-Oštarije section this first part would be cut probably in half. With finally completing the signalling works on Oštarije-Knin-Split section speeds there will go over 100km/h (signalling limit, many segments are capable of 120km/h and even up to 160km/h). This should bring ZG-ST journey to cca 4,5 hours which with (these) tilting trains, which would be comparable to journey by car (4 hours by car or 5 by bus on highway). Regarding investments - Rijeka is the main port so most investments will go into connecting Rijeka with brand new line, this area is very sparsely populated and Split isn't big enough to justify investments into high(er)-speed line. But if we get to 4,5 hours for tilting train and about 6 hours for normal (night trains) this would be a major improvement.
Excellent! Thank You very much! I hope the following parts will be published soon. I´m already eagerly waiting for them, because Croatia´s most spectacular landscapes will be appearing then. Greetings from Germany and keep on going!
Due ore in puro relax. Posti meravigliosi tutti in mezzo al verde. Fattorie, contadini e molto altro. Io amo posti cosi e non vedo l'ora di vedere la seconda parte. Video fantastico grazie.
La Croazia è bellissima, ma non vedo l'ora di scattare qualche foto anche in Italia. Venerdì alle 11:00 la seconda parte e martedì alle 11:00 la terza parte.
@@RailRelaxation Ok grazie. Ne vedo tanti video di questo tipo e tutti come te fanno le riprese come se fossimo noi alla guida. Per quanti ne ho visti parlando del mio paese, fin'ora non sono mai riuscito a vedere riprese fatte in questo modo, ho sono vecchie riprese tipo video 8 oppure VHS oppure ancora riprese da pellicola 8 mm o super 8 ma il risultato lascia un po il tempo che trova e comunque già grazie che ci sono, ma niente del genere, poi magari un di per caso chissà.
@Nunzio Romano Hobby Watch Grazie. L'italiano non è la mia lingua, sto traducendo con Google translate. Ci scusiamo se ci sono errori. Grazie per il suo commento. Presto cercherò di registrare qualche video in Italia.
Wonderful video! I traveled from Split to Zagreb in 2021 by train. And the first half, especially between Castel Stari and Plaski, was really adventure with all these mountain landscapes. But I was so full with my expressions, that I fell asleep somewhere after Ostarije, so I didn't see last part of journey😀. Thank you because I saw it now in your video
@@RailRelaxation, thanks once more. Can you tell me what's happened with Sisak-Karlovac railway? Was it destroyed durind Domovinski rat? Or abandoned due to economics reason?
Nice video on the common section of the railways to Split and Rijeka. First we are crossing the flat area between Zagreb and Karlovac and then we start going into the hills south of Karlovac, a nice varied cabride, enjoyed it a lot, can't wait for the next part, greetings from a traveller and creator from Germany!
I appreciate your feedback. It is the first part of a very interesting line. This starts flat, the other two videos will be a lot more dynamic. Other two parts coming soon...
Potentially the whole line, that is. Zagreb-Oštarije will be modernized as is, but beyond that, they still haven't decided whether to modernize the existing mountainous railway or would be it more feasible in the long run to build a new, much shorter one with lots of tunnels and bridges (Oštarije-Drežnica-Bribir-Škrljevo). Cost of modernization is quite big so you never know. It would be quite something if they went for the latter option as Drežnica, a village in the literal nowhere, would suddenly become an important railway junction with an extension for Split likely getting added later on as well..
Beautiful videography! Thank you so much for a beautifully done video of a place I have never seen. Seeing the country from the cab of a train gives me a very unique perspective, and I love it. Thank you so much. I can't wait to see more.
Thank you very much! I am glad that you like it. There are another 2 videos on that same line and many others on my channel. And, I am working hard to publish more similar videos. I agree with your opinion, seeing a Country from a cab of a train is a very unique perspective. I love travelling by train.
One of my favorite connections in Europe. The journey is especially fun on the RegioJet train, where you can look out of the open windows. Of course also thanks to the EMD diesel in front of the train ...
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Še en odličen posnetek! Another great video! Thank you for this. We have a difference in elevation of about 206m, and an average speed of approx. 50km/h. I wonder is it possible to keep it that way all the way to Split, or am I hoping for a miracle.😆
To Split it will get very interesting - from Oštarije route climbs to almost 900m at Rudopolje, then descends to cca 550m of Lika valley (Ličko polje). That's just the begining - again a climb from Gračac to cca 800m at Malovan and then downhill to Knin at about 200m, just to climb up and down few times before reaching Split. So, following the altitute will be very interesting in following parts.
@@ZvonimirZelenika There will be no shortage of great views. I'm only sad that the route from Knin to Zadar is not available, also some wonderful views, especially along the Krka river canyon, and lots of tunnels.
@@mariolovric7530 There is an old recording (2010) of Benkovac-Zadar, last 15 minutes are the descend to Krka canyon and to Knin - making this again in 4K with wide-angle would be beautiful. ua-cam.com/video/uC0dPY77daQ/v-deo.html
Thanks to Rail Relaxation for this video, and to ZvonimirZelenika for recommending I check out trips from Split. I will be watching another one soon.😁👍
Ови хрватски возови су прилично спори. Али то ми се свиђа! Ово је добар пример. Све је ово за мене! Као немачки ИЦЕ возач (имам жену Српкињу) уживам у овој вожњи ;-)) Предност је, међутим, што можете уживати у прелепом пејзажу ;-)).
I see stations along the route do still have the 3kV electrical grid infrastructure, and in between is 25kV infrastructure available. If there is only 25kV electricity available, I wonder, how the old 3kV insulators cope with 25kV?
The "umbrella" (kišobran) style catenary towers have remained on many stations between Zagreb and Rijeka but new 25kV insulators have been installed at the base of the horizontal bars (zoom in and You can clearly see them). This way they didn't have to replace catenary towers while re-working them to 25kV (also removal of second wire reduced the weuight). This has been working like this for 30+ years, this section (from Zagreb to Oštarije) has been re-electrified to 25kV since 1980s.
@@RailRelaxation I traveled on Rijeka - Zagreb line this Sunday. Took 5 hours. Forgot to take water with me, realized it was a mistake. The journey is enjoyable for only first hour and a half, after which the slowness gets annoying. And I was on a modern low floor train, which doesn’t have a comfortable seat tbh. It is planned for the whole route to be finished by 2030, so that’s probably the next time the Rijeka - Zagreb line will see me.
Great Video nice to see a different countries railway but jeez the stations need to be sorted ppl getting off the train with no platform a lot of investment needed for Croatian Railways its like going back well in time
@Tim Traynor, I agree, there is still a lot to improve, but they are starting to invest in railways infrastructure....in a few years it will be better. And I hope that will be able to compare this same line with the new, renewed one. Hopefully soon.
we don't know how many kilometers it is, you didn't put the mark from Zagreb to Split, that's why you messed up the mark in km, put it back, I'm begging you and fix it a little, how can you see the train because you have a video stack, everything else is great
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I love travelling by train anywhere, it is so enjoyable and relaxing. I hope that Croatian Railways reconstruct the dilapidated stations from Zagreb to Osijek, they need to be modernised. Especially sanitation, l found it very poor and unclean. The communist system did nothing to improve train travel, so much for their false ideology in support of the welfare for the common man in being looked after.
I made this journey 2 weeks ago today. It was by far the most boring and uncomfortable one I have made in a long time. The train was new but we seldom went faster than 40 mph, no refreshments were offered, we had reserved seats in first class that a french family took and refused to give up and the air conditioning kept being turned off. Having said that, the scenery was stunning but that was about it.
Sta bi ti?pa trasa je stara 150 god i za ono vrijeme su bili zavoji "blagi" a penjanje od rijeke do drvenika je jako.pogledaj malo u susjednim drzavama tj slicna situacija.i ona za split je gotova bila 1925.da je ekektr bila bi mocnija.
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What a gorgeous day for a train ride. Great scenery, a fast train, and beautiful small towns I am looking forward to parts 2 and 3 of this trip. Thanks for showing me a part of the world that my eyes will never see in reality.
@kenyongray2615 Glad you enjoyed it. It is a very nice journey, I am sure you will like the rest of the trip down to the Adriatic coast.
Na toto som cakal roky. I waited for this years. Super. Super. Super.
@ivanhoe818 Great. I am happy to hear that. There will be published soon another journey from the winter time. The second part was published last week.
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Excellent work. The part of the track between Zagreb and Karlovac will be reconstructed by 2025, which will also include adding of the 2nd parallel track and rehabilitation of all stations and stops along the way. Some stations will be converted into stops. Construction works are due to start this Thursday.
And now we have a perfect *before* recording of both Zagreb GK - Hrvatski Leskovac and Hrvatski Leskovac - Karlovac sections :)
Wonderful news!
@@ymeshulin Unfortunatelly, there was a major decrease in proper maintenance of railway infrastructure in Croatia, roughly in the period between country's independence and early 2010's. The governments were more focusing on building of highway network. Happily, some major railway infrastructure recovering started to occur, but until 2030, travelling by train on inter city level in Croatia will still be highly unpopular due to slow speed ot trains.
@@ymeshulin With modernization of Zagreb-Karlovac (double-track and 160km/h) and pretty likely completely new Karlovac-Oštarije section this first part would be cut probably in half. With finally completing the signalling works on Oštarije-Knin-Split section speeds there will go over 100km/h (signalling limit, many segments are capable of 120km/h and even up to 160km/h). This should bring ZG-ST journey to cca 4,5 hours which with (these) tilting trains, which would be comparable to journey by car (4 hours by car or 5 by bus on highway). Regarding investments - Rijeka is the main port so most investments will go into connecting Rijeka with brand new line, this area is very sparsely populated and Split isn't big enough to justify investments into high(er)-speed line. But if we get to 4,5 hours for tilting train and about 6 hours for normal (night trains) this would be a major improvement.
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Thank you. I am glad that you think so.
Excellent! Thank You very much! I hope the following parts will be published soon. I´m already eagerly waiting for them, because Croatia´s most spectacular landscapes will be appearing then. Greetings from Germany and keep on going!
Thank you too! The Part two will be this Friday at 11 am.
Due ore in puro relax. Posti meravigliosi tutti in mezzo al verde. Fattorie, contadini e molto altro. Io amo posti cosi e non vedo l'ora di vedere la seconda parte. Video fantastico grazie.
La Croazia è bellissima, ma non vedo l'ora di scattare qualche foto anche in Italia. Venerdì alle 11:00 la seconda parte e martedì alle 11:00 la terza parte.
@@RailRelaxation Ok grazie. Ne vedo tanti video di questo tipo e tutti come te fanno le riprese come se fossimo noi alla guida. Per quanti ne ho visti parlando del mio paese, fin'ora non sono mai riuscito a vedere riprese fatte in questo modo, ho sono vecchie riprese tipo video 8 oppure VHS oppure ancora riprese da pellicola 8 mm o super 8 ma il risultato lascia un po il tempo che trova e comunque già grazie che ci sono, ma niente del genere, poi magari un di per caso chissà.
@Nunzio Romano Hobby Watch Grazie. L'italiano non è la mia lingua, sto traducendo con Google translate. Ci scusiamo se ci sono errori. Grazie per il suo commento. Presto cercherò di registrare qualche video in Italia.
@@RailRelaxation Grazie. Avrei fatto anch'io la stessa cosa non conoscendo la tua lingua usando google traslate.
Wonderful video! I traveled from Split to Zagreb in 2021 by train. And the first half, especially between Castel Stari and Plaski, was really adventure with all these mountain landscapes. But I was so full with my expressions, that I fell asleep somewhere after Ostarije, so I didn't see last part of journey😀. Thank you because I saw it now in your video
@sibeaster Very cool! I am glad that you could see the rest of the trip here in this video.
@@RailRelaxation, thanks once more. Can you tell me what's happened with Sisak-Karlovac railway? Was it destroyed durind Domovinski rat? Or abandoned due to economics reason?
@@sibeaster sorry. I don't know what happened. Maybe someone from Croatia can answer that.
waited so long for this, amazing work!
Glad you enjoyed it .Thanks.
Nice video on the common section of the railways to Split and Rijeka. First we are crossing the flat area between Zagreb and Karlovac and then we start going into the hills south of Karlovac, a nice varied cabride, enjoyed it a lot, can't wait for the next part, greetings from a traveller and creator from Germany!
I appreciate your feedback. It is the first part of a very interesting line. This starts flat, the other two videos will be a lot more dynamic. Other two parts coming soon...
In the coming years, the whole Zagreb-Rijeka line will be modernized. The construction works will begin this Thursday. Nice video, btw!
Thanks for the info! I hope I will film the line again after the works will be finished.
Potentially the whole line, that is. Zagreb-Oštarije will be modernized as is, but beyond that, they still haven't decided whether to modernize the existing mountainous railway or would be it more feasible in the long run to build a new, much shorter one with lots of tunnels and bridges (Oštarije-Drežnica-Bribir-Škrljevo). Cost of modernization is quite big so you never know. It would be quite something if they went for the latter option as Drežnica, a village in the literal nowhere, would suddenly become an important railway junction with an extension for Split likely getting added later on as well..
@@dariolinardic9395 I think they’ll go with the other option, that is a new railway from Oštarije to Rijeka.
Thank you for this video. Nice cab ride in a beautiful sunny day with a few cloudy periods.
Glad you enjoyed it. It really was a great sunny day.
Beautiful videography! Thank you so much for a beautifully done video of a place I have never seen. Seeing the country from the cab of a train gives me a very unique perspective, and I love it. Thank you so much. I can't wait to see more.
Thank you very much! I am glad that you like it. There are another 2 videos on that same line and many others on my channel. And, I am working hard to publish more similar videos. I agree with your opinion, seeing a Country from a cab of a train is a very unique perspective. I love travelling by train.
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Thank you so much!!!
@Adrian Serban You're welcome!
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Opis citave pruge odlican bravo!
Thanks to @Zvonimir Zelenika.
One of my favorite connections in Europe. The journey is especially fun on the RegioJet train, where you can look out of the open windows. Of course also thanks to the EMD diesel in front of the train ...
Great. Now you could see it from different perspective.
A great ride. I'm waiting for the next episodes. It is a pity that it was recorded against the sun.
Thank you. That is the only time possible to film this trip during the day. The train leaves Zagreb in the morning, other option is the night train.
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Odlično!
Hvala!
@@RailRelaxation I ja se nadam da će sljedit part II Oštarije-Knin-Perković-Split.
@Gašper Blažič Eto sam još malo, danas u 11.
So nice videos
@pranowobaris94 Thanks.
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Nice video
Thanks
@@RailRelaxation your welcome how are you
@Adam Blunsdon I am fine. Thank you. Hope you are well too.
good work👍
Thank You!
Assistir Rail Relaxation em:15/11/2022, ás 05:20 minutos, estado de Pernambuco-Brazil. Hoje, estou conhecendo a Croatian. Boa viagem a todos que assisti.
@marcos antonio bom dia! Que bom começo do dia, conhecendo outras partes do mundo.
Še en odličen posnetek! Another great video! Thank you for this. We have a difference in elevation of about 206m, and an average speed of approx. 50km/h. I wonder is it possible to keep it that way all the way to Split, or am I hoping for a miracle.😆
To Split it will get very interesting - from Oštarije route climbs to almost 900m at Rudopolje, then descends to cca 550m of Lika valley (Ličko polje). That's just the begining - again a climb from Gračac to cca 800m at Malovan and then downhill to Knin at about 200m, just to climb up and down few times before reaching Split. So, following the altitute will be very interesting in following parts.
@@ZvonimirZelenika There will be no shortage of great views. I'm only sad that the route from Knin to Zadar is not available, also some wonderful views, especially along the Krka river canyon, and lots of tunnels.
@@mariolovric7530 There is an old recording (2010) of Benkovac-Zadar, last 15 minutes are the descend to Krka canyon and to Knin - making this again in 4K with wide-angle would be beautiful. ua-cam.com/video/uC0dPY77daQ/v-deo.html
Fantastic Video as always, absolutely love how you kept the spedometer, mileage and altitude. Do you have any plans on Slavonia railways?
Thank you. Yes, I do have plans to film there, hopefully soon.
Thanks to Rail Relaxation for this video, and to ZvonimirZelenika for recommending I check out trips from Split. I will be watching another one soon.😁👍
@martythemartian99 Have fun!
Ови хрватски возови су прилично спори. Али то ми се свиђа!
Ово је добар пример. Све је ово за мене! Као немачки ИЦЕ возач (имам жену Српкињу) уживам у овој вожњи ;-))
Предност је, међутим, што можете уживати у прелепом пејзажу ;-)).
@alexandergromann564 zaista imate vremena uživati u prelepom pejzažu. Hvala vam na komentaru.
I see stations along the route do still have the 3kV electrical grid infrastructure, and in between is 25kV infrastructure available. If there is only 25kV electricity available, I wonder, how the old 3kV insulators cope with 25kV?
The "umbrella" (kišobran) style catenary towers have remained on many stations between Zagreb and Rijeka but new 25kV insulators have been installed at the base of the horizontal bars (zoom in and You can clearly see them). This way they didn't have to replace catenary towers while re-working them to 25kV (also removal of second wire reduced the weuight). This has been working like this for 30+ years, this section (from Zagreb to Oštarije) has been re-electrified to 25kV since 1980s.
Thank you Zvonimir
@@ZvonimirZelenika Thank you
Nisam znao da postoji voz na relaciji Zagreb-Split koji stoji u svakom selu.
ne postoji. prvi dio je sniman prigradskim vlakom zg karlovac koji stoji 12 puta. postoji icn vlan zg split koji stoji malo
ne postoji. prvi dio je sniman prigradskim vlakom zg karlovac koji stoji 12 puta. postoji icn vlan zg split koji stoji malo
Da ovo se možda čini opuštajuče ali nije opuštajuče kada HŽ kasni 5 sati bez objašnjenja ili kada pregazi kravu i ja zakasnim na faks
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The never ending journey
It takes a long time, it it eventually ends in a beautiful town of Split.
@@RailRelaxation I traveled on Rijeka - Zagreb line this Sunday. Took 5 hours. Forgot to take water with me, realized it was a mistake. The journey is enjoyable for only first hour and a half, after which the slowness gets annoying. And I was on a modern low floor train, which doesn’t have a comfortable seat tbh. It is planned for the whole route to be finished by 2030, so that’s probably the next time the Rijeka - Zagreb line will see me.
Great Video nice to see a different countries railway but jeez the stations need to be sorted ppl getting off the train with no platform a lot of investment needed for Croatian Railways its like going back well in time
@Tim Traynor, I agree, there is still a lot to improve, but they are starting to invest in railways infrastructure....in a few years it will be better. And I hope that will be able to compare this same line with the new, renewed one. Hopefully soon.
@@RailRelaxation yes i would very much like to see that myself and look forward to it in the near future i hope
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Kje je drugi del (in morebitni ostali)?
Drugi del bo objavljen jutri ob 11. uri, tretji del pa naslednji torek ob 11. uri.
we don't know how many kilometers it is, you didn't put the mark from Zagreb to Split, that's why you messed up the mark in km, put it back, I'm begging you and fix it a little, how can you see the train because you have a video stack, everything else is great
2005 godine sam se vozio zagreb karlovac,u to vreme je pruga bila mnogo bolja..pruge bivse juge boluju od loseg kvaliteta
Sehr gutt mit dem Zug on der 100 km
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@user-np7se4cs6t Thank you.
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game or real
Everything posted on this channel is a real train journey.
5000 km 2 saatlik
Bonjour j'aime bien trains marchandise j'aime train voyager j'aime train grand vitesses j'aime chemin de fer j'aime ferroviaire j'aime voyager en train fait rêver de tout les cœur 💓❤️💓❤️💓❤️🎉🎉 coucou de la Corrèze natale ville egletons région Limousin France 🇲🇫 🌹💖💌 nouveau Aquitaine 🇲🇫💌💌💞 vidéo très jolie adore boucoup ET sympa souhaite bonheur tout les trains sentiments distingués ET dévoués milles foix merci
Jadan taj HŽ. Svjesno i namjerno se uništava i krade od pojedinaca s vrha uprave. Netko je smatra svojom imovinom,zato su vagoni polu prazni.
Staviš na 2x i vlak leti
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This is lie. Times of travel is 7 hours this summer 2022.
@Dražen Bunjevac my entire video (all here parts from Zagreb to Split) is a bit over 7 hours of travel.
I love travelling by train anywhere, it is so enjoyable and relaxing.
I hope that Croatian Railways reconstruct the dilapidated stations from Zagreb to Osijek, they need to be modernised. Especially sanitation, l found it very poor and unclean.
The communist system did nothing to improve train travel, so much for their false ideology in support of the welfare for the common man in being looked after.
I hope so too!
mene bi bilo sram ovo objaviti.... cijela voznja do St bi trebala trajati 2h hahah
I made this journey 2 weeks ago today. It was by far the most boring and uncomfortable one I have made in a long time. The train was new but we seldom went faster than 40 mph, no refreshments were offered, we had reserved seats in first class that a french family took and refused to give up and the air conditioning kept being turned off. Having said that, the scenery was stunning but that was about it.
@psrpippy Sorry to hear that. I know that during summer the train can be too full, and the speed... the terrain is not easy.
HŽ u svom pravom svjetlu. Ravna pruga, brzina 80 (osim na jednoj kratkoj dionici 120), a na dijelovima i 40 😢
Kad je pruga u losem stanju, o mostovima da ne govorim. No, i to uskoro ide u povijest.
Sta bi ti?pa trasa je stara 150 god i za ono vrijeme su bili zavoji "blagi" a penjanje od rijeke do drvenika je jako.pogledaj malo u susjednim drzavama tj slicna situacija.i ona za split je gotova bila 1925.da je ekektr bila bi mocnija.
@@kristiandivander9754 To se vidi izdaleka da je pruga u lošem stanju, samo konstatiram da je sramota da se do toga dovelo.
@@domagojse Slažem se, godinama ništa nije napravljeno. Danas počinje obnova pruge Hr. Leskovac-Karlovac, to mi je drago.
@@kristiandivander9754 ide i Generalski Stol - Gornje Dubrave sad na jesen/zimu. Baš me zanima koja će brzina biti, mada mislim da će moći staviti 80.
Drži leću čistom.
Trudim se.