Think You Know what Really Happened at the Cross? Think Again (w/ Dr. Eugenia Constantinou)
Вставка
- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- This video is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For 10% off your first month, use the link, www.faithfulcounseling.com/gos...
Sometimes familiarity can be the enemy of understanding. So it is, often times, with the crucifixion of Jesus. For so many of us, we've grown up hearing the story of Jesus' death on the cross, and we have an answer in our back pocket from Sunday school about why Jesus needed to die on the cross, but beyond that, we may not really understand all that much about what led to Jesus' death, what crucifixion entailed, and perhaps most importantly, the true meaning of the cross. In this video, I'm joined by Orthodox biblical scholar Dr. Eugenia Constantinou to discuss the crucifixion in context. We cover the Jewish and Roman trials, the parallels with the binding of Isaac, the physicality of crucifixion, and ultimately, the meaning of it all.
Check out Dr. Constantinou's Newest Book, The Crucifixion of the King of Glory: amzn.to/3xo0WWu
Support Gospel Simplicity:
Patreon: / gospelsimplicity
One Time Donation: www.paypal.me/gospelsimplicity
Merch: gospelsimplicity.creator-spring.com
Austin and Eliza's Wedding Registry:
www.zola.com/registry/elizaan...
We in no way expect you all to get us anything, but the generosity of this community always exceeds my expectations, so if you'd like to support us as we start our life together, you're welcome to look at this list.
Follow Gospel Simplicity on Social Media:
Facebook: / gospelsimplicity
Instagram: / gospelsimplicity
About Gospel Simplicity:
Gospel Simplicity began as a UA-cam channel in a Moody Bible Institute dorm. It was born out of the central conviction that the gospel is really good news, and I wanted to share that with as many people as possible. The channel has grown and changed over time, but that central conviction has never changed. Today, we make content around biblical and theological topics, often interacting with people from across the Christian tradition with the hope of seeking greater unity and introducing people to the beautiful simplicity and transformative power of the gospel, the good news about Jesus.
About the host:
Hey! My name is Austin, and I'm a 23 year old guy who’s passionate about the beautiful simplicity and transformative power of the gospel. I believe that the gospel, the good news about Jesus, is really good news, and I’m out to explore, unpack, and share that good news with as many people as possible. I'm a full blown Bible and Church History nerd that loves getting to dialogue with others about this, learning as much as I can, and then teaching whatever I can. I grew up around Frederick, MD where I eventually ended up working my first job at a church. They made the mistake of letting me try my hand at teaching, and instantly I fell in love. That set me on a path for further education, and I'm currently a student at Moody Bible Institute in Chicago, IL, studying theology. On any given day you can find me with my nose in a book or a guitar in my hands. Want to get to know me more? Follow me and say hi on Instagram at: @austin.suggs
Video Stuff:
Camera: Sony a6300
Lens: Sigma 16mm F1.4 amzn.to/2MjssPB
Edited in FCPX
Music:
Bowmans Root - Isaac Joel
*Links in the description may include affiliate links in which I receive a small commission of any purchases you make using that link.
Chapters:
00:00 - Teaser
03:52 - Another Book on the Crucifixion?
08:46 - The Raising of Lazarus and the Crucifixion
12:48 - The Sanhedrin and the Crucifixion
19:23 - Ad: Faithful Counseling
22:35 - Distinguishing between Ancient Judaism and Modern Jews
29:09 - The Jewish Trial
38:06 - Son of Man Title
40:32 - The Roman Trial
53:23 - The Physicality of Crucifixion
1:01:01 - Shame and the Crucifixion
1:02:41 - The Binding of Isaac and the Crucifixion
1:09:21 - The Meaning of the Cross - Розваги
I've been praying for about six months: "Lord, by Thy Grace, bring me closer unto Your Love" and when listening to this conversation I've been overcome with: Here it is...my Cross.
God bless you both!
Sincerely,
An Orthodox homeschooling mother of 4
I’ve never heard of this woman before, but I think I’ve just found a new favourite christian scholar.
Dr Jeannie is brilliant. I’ve learned so much by listening to her podcasts Search the Scriptures.
She's really good
She's written a great book on the Orthodox mindset
I've just been introduced to her this year myself. She is a pre-eminent scholar
@@mary-jodukas7627 Phronima 🙂
“He was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, by his wounds we are healed. We all like sheep have gone astray, and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.” Isaiah 53:5&6. Jesus laid down his life, no one took it from him. His love for us compelled him. Praise His holy name!
Thinking Orthodox is my favorite Christian book, not just Orthodox Faith book, ever.And, her podcasts on Ancient Faith Radio have been extremely educational. She's not just for Orthodox Christians.
Greek - Orthodox Christian here. Christianity is not only for the "faithful" Christians is for all of humanity.
Thanks Austin, I love Dr. Constantinou. Strong woman with a deep love for her podcast listeners and book readers. She reminds me of my Aunt, who was a college professor. She was a tough, smart women who would set you straight in a heartbeat, but always with deep motherly love. That's Dr. Jeanie, for sure!
Dr. Constantinou is brilliant.
I am lucky enough to have one of Dr Genie's students right here in my diocese. She is absolutely amazing and I highly recommend her Search the Scriptures Bible study podcast.
I just started listening to her podcast. I'm 4 episodes in. I plan on listening to the entire podcast.
Yeah search the scriptures live and the original search the scriptures.
Wow! I have been a part of the Christian church all my long life. I was brought up by nuns, educated by them and by priests, studied Divinity for three years and went on to teach and read many, many books. I was raised a Catholic and became an Evangelical and read the Bible every day and attend Bible Study groups. I have listened to numerous sermons but now I can say, I have been waiting for this. Thank you Lord for bringing this to my attention. My search for truth has been continuous and I feel a wonderful peace, at last, at the opening of this new door, leading to further exploration of the most important topic in all of life, so beautifully explained by Eugenia Constantinou. Amen.
Welcome to Orthodoxy and what an excellent introduction you've had by Dr Eugenia Constantinou. There are many more theologians and people of God since the first years of Christianity until this day that speak about the old and new testament and do so with the help of the Holy Spirit and that is what any soul stops and listens to. Not human logic and countless of fruitless analyses of 'Bible Study groups'. You need God to understand God and that is what Orthodoxy is about. The original, authentic and unblemished faith in the Holy Trinity. The more you delve into this the more wonders you will uncover. God bless you sister.
Austin, I have to say this is one of the most fascinating discussions you've ever had on your channel, which is saying a whole lot considering how interesting the discussions on your channel are!! Thank you SO much for doing these discussions and bringing us along on the journey of continuing to explore/examine the Christian faith.
Dr. Eugenia is an absolute treasure who deserves far more respect in the realm of theological discourse in this country (and beyond).
ST. (Fill in name) would be more profitable. There are only 3 theologians in the Orthodox Church and she ain't one.
@@WishingForRain what a strange comment. Welcome to the internet.
Thank you for this video, being a Christian Orthodoxy I very rarely hear Orthodox priest talking about Crucifixion of Christ as payment for our sins! In orthodox Christianity we hear often about the love of God and Christ for us, so thank Dr Constantinou for mentioning the Catholic /Protestant concept that diminishes the high values of Christ message , that all He did was Out of Love ❤️ for Us.
Started listening to her book 'Thinking Orthodox' last week, it's excellent, highly recommend.
Thank you for hosting Teacher Eugenia. She has been such an instrumental vessel in my growth and understanding. May God bless you both for this illuminating discussion.
This woman is brilliant, powerful speaker and well informed
Dr. Eugenia, just outstanding! And Austin, as usual another outstanding interview/discussion conducted by you!
So glad that Dr Constantinou passionately spoke on the Love of God as the explanation of the cross and not what we hear spread today that its simply to pay our sin debt.
Even Christians who believe they have a sin debt from each mistake oscillate between righteous and sinner constantly. What a watery gospel it is now.
Thank God for the Grace revolution 🔥
this is a great meditation for Holy week
All Glory to God for Dr. Constantinou truly she’s a wonderful treasure in the Orthodox Christian community. Not only is she worldly valued because of her knowledge but most importantly spiritually value as a presbytera ( Priest wife) something that was not mention as her credentials. She has so many talks and lecture that are greatly edifying to ones spiritual walk and understanding of the Orthodox Christian Faith and mindset. ☦️💕
Not one minute was waisted ! Thank you for this encouraging video!
She is a brilliant writer. Amazing interview.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I loved listening to this entire video, thank you for sharing. Blessings to my former professor! IC XC NIKA ☦️
Dr Eugenia - your such an inspiration to me! Your passion and knowledge is amazing. I love studying 2nd temple Judaism but never thought to study the Roman thought during That time also. Thank you!
Great talk. Note her point about the tragedy of Bible scholars saying that it has non historical details where as historians seem to give the Bible more credit for being historically accurate. One more reason to trust the scriptures and the early church fathers more than modern scholarship, even if they do sometimes bring helpful teaching in some areas. It seems todays scholars, even the professing Christian ones are often more concerned with bringing forth a new idea in order to get people to read their books or papers, rather than following the tried and true understanding of texts from the historic church’s perspective.
Stoked!
Great podcast. I came across this by accident and I'm impressed.
Looking forward to this
Thank you for this wonderful conversation!!
Thank you both.
Ordered the book while listening.
I personally think that the cross has not just one meaning but there are many aspects that culminate there.
A great interview!
Another incredible interview. Thanks Austin.
Thank you for this interview beautiful painful during holy week
I love hearing fresh perspectives. Great content!
Fantastic video really gets to the point
At 1:11:00, Dr. Constantinou addresses the question of Penal Substitutionary Atonement and answers saying “We don’t really see that kind of transactional idea [that sin is a debt] anywhere in the New Testament.”
In light of that comment, I wonder what to make of this verse…
“And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.” - Colossians 2:13-15
That's the exact verse that came to mind for me.
I enjoyed and love this episode!! God bless you! ❤️
I like this study very much. Not Orthodox Christian but like a lot of what I hear.
I love Dr Genie's audio-books and podcast, thanks Austin for another great interview.
Thank you so much for this incredible presentation and for the great book recommendation. I think it is very important to respond in charity to the Protestant claim of penal substitution because it does stem from the Catholic Church's great mind, St. Anselm who said ""Jesus paid a debt he didn't owe because we owed a debt we couldn't pay" In fact, growing up Catholic, this is a quote I heard in catechism and from other Catholic sources often. It is only in recent years that I have heard this being corrected, and Dr. Constantinou's explanations are helping me grapple with the amazing reality of God's love as a gift, not a transaction. Pax Christi and Happy Easter to all.
Fascinating stuff. Thank you so much, both of you, for this discussion. God bless you and thank you.
Amazing ❤❤❤ Glory to God!!❤❤❤
Great discussion. Helped me understand so much more of the Cross. Thank you.
Well done! I love the last segment about the “true meaning of the cross”
Thank you Austin for conducting such a great interview with Dr. Jeannie to give a taste of her book. It is a cornucopia of well-documented information from historical, medical and legal as well as biblical sources that walks from the significance of the Raising of Lazarus who was expected to be already decomposing and, more importantly, whose soul was no longer around to be able to reoccupy his body according to the thinking of the times, through the Tearing of the Temple Veil and its importance.
You were both respectful of other people's beliefs, while gently showing that some may be superficial, current culturally biased, based on later tradition or defensive. I was very pleased that Dr. Jeannie explained that the Greek word is not "justified" but "righteous." God's grace and incomprehensible love for His creation can only be known through loving and following Him. Only a theologian who is both well trained and spiritually growing can articulate all of the elements of the event as well as Dr. Jeannie has in The Crucifixion of the King of Glory.
Thank you Dr.
This was wonderful, and I want to listen to it again.
Austin, you are an excellent interviewer!
Thank you
Thank you, UA-cam algorithm, for suggesting Gospel Simplicity to me. Every video I watch I’m more and more and more fascinated, I learn so much, and intellectually as well as spiritually invigorated. Keep doing what you do, Austin! This channel is a gift!
Great interview!
Thanks!
Austin, I thank you for this outstanding interview, that brings out so very many wonderful insights and relevancies from Dr Constantinou! What a well-spent hour! (Not to mention the times I am sure to reflect back on it as well.)
Doc EC is back?! Wheeeee!!!!
I can't thank you enough Austin for this awesome interview. I enjoyed it so much and was left was more so ordered the book right away. It arrived today so I'll be starting to read it after posting this comment! Thanks again and God bless you. As a Catholic I love the dialouges you have and your quest for Christian unity. I wish you and your wife a healthy and blessed marriage. God bless and please get Dr. Constantinou on again.
By Jesus raising Lazarus, Jairus' daughter, the widow's son at Nain, and others, I'm sure that the Sadducees not only felt threatened, buy it probably insulted and embarrassed them; since they didn't even believe in a resurrection.
Dr Conatantinou is one of the Greek-iest women I've ever seen, the number of bushes that have been beaten around is equal to the number of scriptural examples of the Cross being a payment to quench God's Wrath.
Absolute joy to listen to.
(I am told Italians would relate, but as a Serb, I've mostly been exposed to Greeks)
The stupidity of the theology of Penal Substitution makes it so that anyone who was ever crucified is guaranteed salvation and paid the "debt" for their own sins
@@liquidoxygen819 Well except that Jesus being sinless is supposed to give His sacrifice infinite weight to pay for our sins.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 More like Him being God. ;)
@@LadyMaria Yes more so I suppose, thanks. :)
Reading her book for Great Lent…. I’ll have to watch this interview
Brilliant interview!!! I cannot wait to read Dr. C’s book after this lovely peek into what she has covered in it. God bless you both!!
I love Dr. Jeannie’s work! So glad you had her on. She has a great podcast (also on UA-cam via Ancient Faith Radio channel) called Search the Scriptures that is absolutely amazing.
Austin, i just found your channel, because i saw you on The Council of Trent. I wish i could learn more about what Dr. Constantinao means when she mentions things that the Catholic Church has added from outside of apostolic tradition. I love your channel and have subscribed. Thank you for all you are doing!
It's my pleasure! Thanks for subscribing!
so keen
It's on AUDIBOOK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't thank you enough. I am up to my eyeballs in book I'll never get finished.
Excellent expose
Dr. Eugenia is amazing!
Im so glad to have found this episode. She addresses so many questions I've had of which I could not find a sensible answer. I never understood the significance of Pilate, nor his intial rejection to find fault with Jesus. ❤🙏
“These things the Saviour endured, and made peace through the Blood of His Cross, for things in heaven, and things in earth. For we were enemies of God through sin, and God had appointed the sinner to die. There must needs therefore have happened one of two things; either that God, in His truth, should destroy all men, or that in His loving-kindness He should cancel the sentence. But behold the wisdom of God; He preserved both the truth of His sentence, and the exercise of His loving-kindness. Christ took our sins in His body on the tree” - St Cyril of Jerusalem, Catachetical Lecture XIII
“Listen to the reason for his coming and glorify the power of the one who became flesh. The human race was deep in debt and incapable of paying what it owed. By the hand of Adam we all signed a bond to sin. The devil held us all in slavery. He kept producing our bills, using our suffering body as his paper. There he stood, the wicked forger, threatening us with our debts and demanding satisfaction. One of two things had to happen: either the penalty of death had to be imposed on all, because ‘all had sinned,’ or else a substitute had to be provided who was fully entitled to plead on our behalf. No man could save us; the debt would have been his liability too. No angel could buy us out, for such a ransom was beyond his powers. One who was sinless had to die for those who had sinned; that was the only way left by which to break the bonds of evil.”
(1st Homily on the God-bearer; citation from Proclus of Constantinople and the Cult of the Virgin in Late Antiquity (Leiden: Brill, 2003), p. 141)
See more: erickybarra.wordpress.com/2019/02/14/penal-substitution-in-the-church-fathers/
Interesting and edifying discussion. Love from Ethiopian orthodox church.
Magnífica y nueva información para mí como converso ortodoxo
Tienes razón!
The beard really suits you Austin. You are such a gentle soul, and the beard gives you a more masculine edge that helps to balance out that impression and give you a more rounded demeanour.
absolutely beautiful final quote from her last chapter. 1:09:30 - ordered her book just for that.
This discussion really built momentum and ended on a strong note. I do know that certain Catholic Theologians agree with her Atonement conclusions...a particular book was republished and promoted by Scott Hahn.
Though I'm sure medieval theology, especially as coming to a head with Martin Luther and John Calvin was the impetus for the current Protestant Debt Atonement paradigm.
i will be buying this book, it a refreshing look at Jesus' passion... i think the Doctor is spot on. i have read so many 'jesus seminar' book authors whose interpretations i don't agree with
I listened to one of Dr Jeannie's podcasts on this subject about the buying and selling of animals for temple sacrifice it was really good. I learnt more about how it set the chief priests up in a very high place with a lot of money, power and control that they did not want to forfeit at any cost.
Omg i like this woman , in all i have reseached what this lady talks about takes us further back to or before romans and the cheif priests the jews wow. Just the knowledge i need . Now the jigsaw puzzle is coming together. I have read about the jews but dnt want to be dissing them if it aint true .this woman tells the truth and this guy too very good points he makes both of them together working has a team i like you i appreciate you thankyou for sharing. Taking me back to Lasuruz havnt heard this name since i was a child . Please keep this up we all need this you both reduced me to tears it rings so true from what i read has a child and not knowing everything has slowly changed has i grew. Thankyou from the bottom of my heart. I have been begging for the truth. I wished i found you so much earlier you could of saved me so much heartache . The spiritual battle i was in thanks to you two has become lighter. Thankyou so much and in this time we need you please dont stop. Im sharing this all over 😍❤😇
"Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people." Hebrews 2:17.
He was the priest and the sacrifice in one body.
Christ is Risen! ☦️☦️☦️
I love this
9:20 Lazarus Saturday was on April 9th in the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church(East Syriac calendar). The reading was about Christ having dinner at his home/Martha's story. And the Friday prior to it - April 8th- the reading was about Lazarus being brought back to life. So this is in the liturgical calendar just before Holy Week. Infact on Lazarus Saturday we make special kind of rice dumpling (that's sweet) in reference to Christ's dinner with Lazarus's family.
Lazarus Saturday is this week, April 16, on Orthodox and most Oriental and Byzantine Catholic calendar’s. You know this I’m sure.
We make small shaped bread that looks like Lazarus bound up. Don’t know when that custom began.
After the Liturgy on Saturday, we have a pancake breakfast and everyone makes the palm crosses for Palm Sunday. Also, The Children’s choir practices for next week Holy Saturday morning when they sing, and the little girls that accompany Christ’s Tomb in procession (myrrhbearers) practice for Holy Friday evening! It’s a busy day!
Have a glorious celebration of Christ’s Resurrection! Christo’s Anesti!☦️
Awesome woman.
Defo will be watching more of your videos thankyou so much 😍😇😂
I just adore listening to this woman speak her knowledge.
LOL why? This bull is unhinged!
I want this book!
Interesting ,while watching your teaching about Jesus rebuking the chief priests and thinking about the parallels in the Modern Church.
I want more.
I have always wondered what Issac was thinking and what God was doing there with his instructions to Abraham.
Blessings to you my dear sister and your moderator.
Am blessed by your lectures.How can i get in touch with you?
Loved this. I have found penal substitution / atonement instinctively off... I think I've also tended to over spiritualise the crucifixion - To hear the historic context is great. Something that has struck me strongly in prayer around the crucifixion is how Jesus in my understanding, lived through this in faith. I mean that he had faith in who he was, faith in his father and through this period of time, he wasn't consoled with nice feelings or supernatural visions etc and he knew his divinity in the same way as we know we are loved by God - we don't know it in the same way that we know we are sat on the chair beneath us. When I brought this up with the Dominicans, even referring to this as a possibility, Ie that is that Jesus was like us in this way, it caused some consternation/ shock. I keep getting the words 'man of faith, God of salvation' come to mind as a thesis. Are you aware of work in this field. Could you offer this in a programme? I ve ordered the book. Thanks to you both for your work and sharing it.
Super interesting idea. Thanks for sharing.
Luisa Piccarreta's Book of Heaven has Jesus explaining that He has no need of faith because He is God and is thus the Object of faith. It is only creatures who have to exercise faith as action in this world that brings the Divine Will of heaven into existence on earth,
Having come to understand the sense of faith as "pistis" is more like faithfulness, or being true to something/someone, one could certainly say that Jesus is a man of perfect faith, as his human will is perfectly aligned with the (his) divine will. Since sin occurs when we allow our will to deviate from God's will, what it means that Jesus never sinned is that those two wills were never out of alignment.
I can’t see how that would cause consternation to Dominicans. There’s nothing wrong with what you said. Jesus was faith-ful to God and what he went through so frightened him that he asked 3x to be delivered from it while sweating blood at the prospect. As God he would have not experienced fear or the need for faith, but his human nature was like ours in all things but sin.
@@brianamend6983 Read Luisa's Book Of Heaven. It is fascinating and totally Catholic.
The 'Son of Man' title is also the title God often uses with the prophets. So, it could also be said up until the trial, they were seeing him refer to himself as a prophet.
Shout out to the Lord of Spirits podcast…
Aside from Daniel, “Son of Man” is also a very prominent title of the Messiah in the Book of Enoch, which the Apostles Sts Peter and Jude quote in the NT. The Enochian tradition was very well known in the Second Temple Judaism of that time.
The one that sticks out to me also is how it's used in Ezekiel, which is a haunting book for many reasons, but ultimately shows how much God is willing to do for us.
thank you Austin. This is wonderful. It occurred to me that it would be interesting for her to comment on the various wounds, etc. on the shroud of Turin. She would know why a certain wound was inflicted, or maybe why certain procedures were not done to Jesus. Is there a difference between the shroud of an upper class person and a reprobate, etc.
Her book addresses all the wounds of Christ. It is exhaustive. You should read it.
@@s.d.berquist6866 Wonderful! Thank you. I got the audiobook, I'm listening on the way to work.
As an Orthodox believer I respectfully disagree with a few things Dr. Constantinou is saying. I do believe in Penal substitution in the sense that Jesus took on himself the consequences of our sin, but also brought us to new life in His resurrection.
Also, the book of Isaiah talks about the suffering servant dying for the sins of His people. I see this as an act of love. With respect. God bless you all!
Listen again what she says and what the definition is of sin.
That’s not the definition really. You’re talking about the Atonement. For Christ to pay for our sins in a judicial way, who did He Pay? Himself? (He is God) Satan? That would be blasphemy! He doesn’t owe anything to satan!
Christ conquered sin and death on the cross. We still have the choice to freely accept the love of God or reject His love into eternity.
That is not really what "Penal Substitution" means. Atonement is one thing, Penal Substitution Atonement is quite another.
Thank you both for your comments. They made me think a bit. My current understanding is this: I believe that the Lord came and died for our sins (He had no sin) to free us from our sins (when we repent and choose Him of course). Saint Paul talks about us dying with Him and being raised in baptism.
I definitely don't believe the Lord paid the price to the evil one. Instead I believe He united Himself to us, died for our sins, and rose to give us new life. I'm sorry if that sounds complicated. There is a lot more to say about the matter too! God bless you all!
@@bonniejohnstone we had a council gathered specifically for figuring out who the recepeint of the sacrifice is. The council of 1157 stated the sacrifice is to the all Persons of the Trinity. It even mentiones the reson for the neccessity of Atonement: Man offended God by transgressing the commandment. Source: Synodus graecae ecclesiae de dogmate circa illa verba, «Tu es qui оffеrѕ, еt qui offеrеriѕ, еt qui recipis» // PG. 140. Col. 185-186.
Btw, as you see, sin is also an offence against God's Truth even here and, for example, in st. Cyrill of Jerusalem, st. Nicolas Cabbasilas and many other Church fathers. As one example, st. Nicolas as if "followed" Anselm in his views writing about the offence of God - "ὕβριν φέρει" (Nicolaus Cabasilas. De Vita in Christo, 4.12-15 // SC. 355. P. 272-276.
There's patristic evidence for "penas substitution" and "judicial Atonement" but, as far as I know, there's different views on penal substitution as well so some may or may not be compatible with Orthodoxy. But I haven't even watched the video, went straight to the comments....better watch it first :)
I gotta get this book! I also recommend the book by Veselin Kesich, The first day of the New creation. The resurrection and Christian faith.
Please pray for me everyone that reads this I need the intercession of Gods Children thank you for considering
What is your name?
She seems full of herself. The reason i wrote my book is because i know ALL these things that no one else does. This is the problem with academics
Her thesis confronts the academy
@Anomie thats nit-picking or demanding perfection either way it negates goodness which works 🙂👍
Except she’s not just an academic. She is married to a priest, chants in church and has a weekly podcast called Search the Scriptures where she goes line by line explaining the Bible. I’ve read her book and there are things in there that I guarantee would blow your mind, like the fact that the lambs for Passover were placed into an oven upright pierced with two wooden skewers horizontally and vertically, just like Christ was crucified. Plus much more.
Dignity, Honor and Glory; the Cross destroys them all. Christ was not destroyed by the cross. He Destroyed the Cross!
The Cross, then, that Christ bore, was not for His own deserts, but was the cross that awaited us, and was our due, through our condemnation by the Law…He took upon Himself the Cross that was our due, passing on Himself the condemnation of the Law, that the mouth of all lawlessness might henceforth be stopped, according to the saying of the Psalmist; the Sinless having suffered condemnation for the sin of all (John 19:16-18). Cyril of Alexandria, 'Book XII Commentary on John'
For that which we owed to us according to our crimes bear it, so He suffered for us, having made peace [with God] through the blood of His cross… St Jerome, Commentary on Isaiah'
“A sacrifice was needed to reconcile the Father on High with us and to sanctify us, since we had been soiled by fellowship with the evil one. There had to be a sacrifice which both cleansed and was clean, and a purified, sinless priest… It was clearly necessary for Christ to descend to Hades, but all these things were done with justice, without which God does not act.” Homily 16, 1, 2, 21 St Gregory Palamas
‘The Lord had to taste death for each, and having become a propitiatory sacrifice for the world, justify all by His blood’ St Basil, ' Letter to Bishop Optimus'
God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood-to be received by faith. Romans 3.25
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53.5-6
There are many contemporary Orthodox writers who wish to deny or downplay a number of concepts that relate to our redemption. They will argue we don't believe Christ had to die in our place, or that His blood needed to be shed to pay the penalty for our sins. They will deny the legitimacy of legal terms, in favor of the idea that the Church is a spiritual hospital. The problem is not that the Church is not a spiritual hospital, but rather that in emphasizing one set of images used to explain our salvation, they deny a whole set of equally valid images that are clearly Biblical. It is true that in the west there was an over emphasis on legal imagery, but the solution to such an imbalance is not a new imbalance in the opposite direction. We can and should speak of sin as an illness, but when we die, we do not go before the final medical exam -- we face the final judgment, which is a legal image if ever there was one. And so we can also speak of sin as a transgression of the Law of God, and of our need to be justified by God, even as we speak of sin in terms of an illness that we need to be healed of.
Fr John Whiteford, 'Do Orthodox Christians Believe in the Atonement?'
The Early Church and Early Church Fathers are Early.
My priest told us to imagine death is like machine that the souls would fall into before Christ came. Every death ended with the souls separated from God, some in the place of the righteous, some in torment. When Christ came, the machine of death took His soul, but it did not encounter a body like usual, it encountered God Himself, so it was like throwing a diamond in the machine. He broke the machine of death! That's why the icons show the gates of hades broken open with the padlocks scattered on the ground, death is defeated, and Christ is pulling Adam and Eve out and bringing them to paradise. As I understand it, it's the work of Holy Saturday that defeated death, and the grave could not contain God and He rose on Sunday, proving from that point onward Christians are not truly dead, but just temporarily separated from their bodies. On another topic, my kids and I read some of the lives of Plutarch and a repeated refrain was that it was better to die than be shamed. One story was about a defeated king being marched through the streets in a parade of the spoils of war, and the consensus was that the defeated king was worthy of scorn because he didn't take his own life, but surrendered. It kind of reminds me of Christ being paraded through the streets carrying His Cross. He truly changed how the Christian world (and even secular world) thinks to such a degree, that we can't comprehend what it was like before. Why do we think of self-sacrifice as the supreme good? It's because of Christ.
Yep!
Most folks miss 1 Peter 3:17- 4:6. as they only see Jesus as a sacrifice to die in place of us... "For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which He also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison, who once were disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God [p]for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ... but they will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For the gospel has for this purpose been [e]preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as people, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God. " What so many people miss when they say "He descended into Hades..." on Good Friday, is that Jesus wasn't merely there to be punished in place of us, but was also on a rescue mission, so that even those long buried would have a chance to hear the Holy Gospel, to be evangelized, so that the New Adam may reach the Old Adam! WHo is this King of Glory?!
There it is ,patrion.
Look forward to listening to this in my car for the commute home. 😎
Listened to it! Excellent.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Does the bool elaborate on the „Son of man” title you mentioned in the video?