Could you theoretically create a longer hallway at a much more mild angle making even the people going through it feel as if they are always going up. Like two stair sets on opposite sides of a "building." It would be less immediately trippy, but a couple laps through mixed with not really getting anywhere would have a fun compounding effect.
You would have to make it feel like you are going up when in reality you are going down. That way you go up x height then go back down that same height so that the transition between landings always feels like you are going up when you just returned to the same landing you were just on. If you can solve that problem then you have solved the "infinite" staircase. So without changing halfway through so that you can see the other landing (as most staircases let you so that you "know" you are going up) you need to go up one side, and down the other while seemingly going up in some fashion. The landing would have to look like you were going up to it even though in reality you were going down to the other one.
What you guys are talking about is literally impossible, you are essentially describing a paradox. There is absolutely no way you can create stairs that makes you feel like you are going up while going down. If you angle the stairs you end up with the same problem as the model, they eventually end up sideways. Gravity is still a thing, and no matter how you choose to design the stairs or how long or large you make them, gravity will immediately reveal their flaws. You will never have the sensation of "going up" since that requires you to use your leg to push your body weight up against gravity, which wouldn't work when you are "falling" with gravity at an angle. So unless you have a way to alter gravity itself, and give each set of stairs their own gravitional pull that dynamically "circle" into each other, you will never be able to make these stairs.
@@Dkgow low angles feel flat. place two hallways parallel to each other at opposing slight angles. this will put one end above the other on either end, but which hallway is above will alternate. connect with stairwells and you are good.
it's possible to build an infinite hallway, but it'd take up a TON of room: my original idea was thousands of rooms, each room points only 1/8th of an inch or less to the left each time thus hiding the fact that it's actually just a circle. But then I realized we can just make a hallway that wraps around earth and call it a day.
2:00 i've actually been in a room like this. and ofc while you're in them they don't look special, but from a specific perspective it looks really trippy
My son had one of those in his activity book when he was like 10 or 12. It's not a complicated picture, you just have to fold it correctly. It is definitely mind-blowing especially when you leave it on the table and walk by it throughout the day.
Yes it's possible, I built a physical model myself 20 yrs ago, but you must add in a down slope area as you have there. The Escher version keeps going up, but physically impossible to build.
This reminded me of the Lord of the Rings movies that used those illusions. I wonder how bad they would look if it was filmed in 3D since both cameras could not be on the perfect spot.
A great example of why perception and facts are different things. We live most of our lives by perceptions that we have come to trust. But facts don't care about how we feel or what we believe.
I have thought of a way to do this IRL: Sloped Steps. Each step has a downwards slope so it perfectly cancels out the height difference from the step up
Escher is probably my favorite artist and I love what you did in this. I also love your acting over your voice instead of talking to the camera. Such a great way to present your info uniquely. Sorry I'm 2 years late on seeing this. Been busy trying to grow my own channel while raising a family and navigating really rough times....etc etc.. life. Keep up the great work! Looking forward to more.
In 1991 a mate of mine made a balsa wood model of the MC Escher staircase using false perspective, it was to do stop frame animation over for the titles to a French game show. He’d just finished it when the phone rang “Destroy it!!!” It turns out the copyright was £1,000 per second so that’d be £30k every time the titles rolled! He kept it, it was on his music room wall :D
I figured you would need to tilt the stairs somehow to give the illusion, but I never thought about sloping the landings. Cool to see it all modeled out
If you had a long enough staircase, you could probably slope the landing just enough that it gives you that downward drop when you walk from the "top" stair on one side to the "bottom" stair on the other, that way when you look over the stairs it always looks like you are going the direction you want, but that starting landing is actually raised. The only "problem" would be that going from one stair case to the other wouldn't seem natural.
4:02 Thing is though (not to shit on your parade, but) you can see how it works right away, like the slant is really obvious and as a result it doesn't give you that odd impossible law of physics being broken feeling. You can just clearly see that the floor is slanted.
In terms of perception, because it is a spiral but at an angle the Leaning Tower of Pisa gives a strange experience of going both down and up at the same time, particularly when you're going down. They even give a warning that it can induce motion sickness. That's the closest in real life I think I'll ever come to an Esher staircase.
i watched you're video yesterday and it got me thinking, maybe you did your 3d model wrong. instead of a slant or hill, why not use 2 other sets of stairs instead. doing this would work as it would solve the problem of the angle you would need if you were to go with a slanted platform, while thus creating a never ending stairs. granted, there would of course, be a point of entry, but the stairs themselves would never reach a destination as they would always lead to the other set of stairs. it wouldn't be the illusion that you were going after, but it would be a physical build of the forever stairs.
Thanks for this video, because I had had believed earlier that infinite staircase video was fake and they have done editing, but now I understood everything. Thanks again ✅
I always love your content! Also I’ve been to the infinite staircase, I use to walk up it to get to my differential equations class. The strangest part about it was that my math class was on the 4th floor of what looks from the front to be a 2 story art building.
The only way to make an "infinite" staircase is with the 4th dimension. Perhaps you could program one into a game😃 To a 4th dimensional being it would basically be like climbing up and climbing down again exept every time it climbs down it goes in and out of the W axis
Putting an infinite staircase in a video game is borderline trivial, and this kind of thing has actually been done a few times. I can't remember any example games off the top of my head, they tend to be mods or custom maps or play-once-and-forget-it indie games (which is not a criticism btw, I love that kind of game). The one example I *can* remember is a game that didn't even use it in the end - the developer commentary in Portal 2 explains that during development they allowed the mappers to connect rooms in such ways to create impossible geometries, but only because they didn't want them to waste time laying out the separate rooms and corridors in a logical way when all of the rooms are still being actively developed and changed. Near the end of development, they finally sat down and laid out all of the (now finalized) rooms, removing all of the impossible geometries. Except one instance in the whole game, they said. They didn't say where it was! But I think it was actually kept for technical reasons rather than actually making impossible geometry. Also, I have to mention the infinite staircase in Super Mario 64!
You could probably make the slant at the ends much less extreme by having the stairs not be right angles, but each step overhangs the one below it, casting a false shadow that makes it look deep, but the each step height is much smaller than it appearS.
You can mitigate the gradient if you build two slopes on the landings and increase the distance between stairs and using clever shading you can make it look almost flat. The movie "The Avengers" from 1998 built an infinite staircase to use in one of the scenes basically using shading and selected viewing angles.
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you could built a little 3D model of these stairs on a rubiks cube. You gotta take the cube hold it with one side facing you, rotate the each strip by a small angle keeping the same face towards you, then turn the cube to the right and rotate each strip by roughly the same angle in the same direction ( if you did the first side facing you upwards then do the second side upwards to ). Now if you view it from the sides and follow the "steps" you'll notice they always seem to ascend or descend
Funny enough in our local supermarkets, there are children's toys that is literally this, but much better to look at. They also have mechanical chickens walking up and down on it in the loop
If you make the steps diagonal you can get 0 height difference at the cost of not really having the illusion work at any angle. It'll still look strange, but way more natural. So it seems that you either preserve the effect to lose in slope differences or lose the effect to reduce slopes.
Someone with a hamster needs to 3d print this and make a video of a hamster running up the stairs forever.
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Do it
r u trying to reinvented the hamster wheel? ;D
Lmao cruel
dude now i really wanna see you build this irl, would be so sick
also camera quality looking crisp
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Could you theoretically create a longer hallway at a much more mild angle making even the people going through it feel as if they are always going up. Like two stair sets on opposite sides of a "building." It would be less immediately trippy, but a couple laps through mixed with not really getting anywhere would have a fun compounding effect.
You would have to make it feel like you are going up when in reality you are going down. That way you go up x height then go back down that same height so that the transition between landings always feels like you are going up when you just returned to the same landing you were just on. If you can solve that problem then you have solved the "infinite" staircase.
So without changing halfway through so that you can see the other landing (as most staircases let you so that you "know" you are going up) you need to go up one side, and down the other while seemingly going up in some fashion. The landing would have to look like you were going up to it even though in reality you were going down to the other one.
What you guys are talking about is literally impossible, you are essentially describing a paradox.
There is absolutely no way you can create stairs that makes you feel like you are going up while going down.
If you angle the stairs you end up with the same problem as the model, they eventually end up sideways. Gravity is still a thing, and no matter how you choose to design the stairs or how long or large you make them, gravity will immediately reveal their flaws.
You will never have the sensation of "going up" since that requires you to use your leg to push your body weight up against gravity, which wouldn't work when you are "falling" with gravity at an angle.
So unless you have a way to alter gravity itself, and give each set of stairs their own gravitional pull that dynamically "circle" into each other, you will never be able to make these stairs.
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0:56 "I've come a long way in my understanding of the world" Spoken like a true ignorant who does nothing to make it better. Gross
@@Dkgow low angles feel flat. place two hallways parallel to each other at opposing slight angles. this will put one end above the other on either end, but which hallway is above will alternate. connect with stairwells and you are good.
I felt like it's quite obvious on how the infinite staircase would work in real life or as a model, I'm surprised no-one else had tried making one.
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@@26Rizzaline No it was a video prank, not real.
it's possible to build an infinite hallway, but it'd take up a TON of room:
my original idea was thousands of rooms, each room points only 1/8th of an inch or less to the left each time thus hiding the fact that it's actually just a circle.
But then I realized we can just make a hallway that wraps around earth and call it a day.
Of course it's gonna take up a ton of room, it's infinite!
@@brrrrrr he meant that as a metaphor
1 rotation around the Earth is already called a day, so we don't need to
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"It'd be cool to build this in real life, but that'd be way too expensive and impractical."
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*Coming to a staircase, Stanley walked upstairs to his boss's office*
2:16 😲😲 I thought it was my phone that lost its light, and that it was about to turn off🤣🤣🤣🤣👌🏼👌🏼
Glad I could inspire this Video with my stupid Tweet 😄
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Alright I gotta climb those stairs for real man, make it happen 😂
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2:00 i've actually been in a room like this. and ofc while you're in them they don't look special, but from a specific perspective it looks really trippy
Exactly.
So this is how my parents walked to school, uphill both ways, even day.
Underrated comment!
not only is he a great 3d modeler, but also the world's greatest ventriloquist
That dragon-dog thing is bloody eerie, like it's turning its head to look at you when you try to walk away.
2:39 That was so trippy.
Well no shit.
My son had one of those in his activity book when he was like 10 or 12. It's not a complicated picture, you just have to fold it correctly. It is definitely mind-blowing especially when you leave it on the table and walk by it throughout the day.
Great video, dewd! I thoroughly enjoyed it
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But the stairwell is fake though
Normal people when they see this illusion... "hey that's pretty cool!"
Jabrills "proceeds to make one" LOL! Great Job man :)
science cry seeing this build
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It's not an illusion if you're talking about the first video, it's literally faked and they tried to pass it as real for clout,
Yes it's possible, I built a physical model myself 20 yrs ago, but you must add in a down slope area as you have there. The Escher version keeps going up, but physically impossible to build.
I just wheezed when u were struggling to say “Lacanilao” it’s just funny to hear it with an American accent lol-
im watching this at 1 am and he is EATING PIZZA this is sooooo unfair.
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I’m watching this at 2:30 am
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@@idontlikereadin ha I’m watching this at 3:00 am!
@Benny I’ll do it at 4:00 am
Escherian Stairwell Deconstruction by UA-camr Captain Disillusion I hope you will enjoy his Videos
Was just about to mention it too.
Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/eLAwG7CjF_k/v-deo.html
This reminded me of the Lord of the Rings movies that used those illusions. I wonder how bad they would look if it was filmed in 3D since both cameras could not be on the perfect spot.
Escher is my all time favorite artist !
I just watched CSM E5 and UA-cam recommends me this video
I'm here from CSM too
I got you bro, firing up my 3D printer!
Can you post a video about it?
Actually I did it and its like 0.5 cm long
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Nice video, always nice seeing you upload!
I love how you can hear that he's smiling while speaking
2:11 I love that you included material from the educational/entertainment Paka Paka TV signal. An advertising-free TV signal for kids.
A great example of why perception and facts are different things. We live most of our lives by perceptions that we have come to trust. But facts don't care about how we feel or what we believe.
Capitan disillusion: hold my beer
Lol
He's too powerful, I can hear him without him talking, he's using telepathy
I have thought of a way to do this IRL: Sloped Steps. Each step has a downwards slope so it perfectly cancels out the height difference from the step up
It would be pretty obvious tho from every angle except directly above
@@cara-seyun That and seeing the landing on the other side at your angle needs to look like you are going up in order for this to work.
Man saw Buzz Lightyear say ‘to infinity and beyond’ and took it to heart
Me:*watches*
My brain:*malfunctioning*
Captain disillusion made a really good video explaining the original escherian stairwell video
Escher is probably my favorite artist and I love what you did in this. I also love your acting over your voice instead of talking to the camera. Such a great way to present your info uniquely. Sorry I'm 2 years late on seeing this. Been busy trying to grow my own channel while raising a family and navigating really rough times....etc etc.. life. Keep up the great work! Looking forward to more.
"Kobeni, please make the peace sign for a moment"
This was a mystery during my childhoods
Nice acting by all people their reactions are wonderful
In 1991 a mate of mine made a balsa wood model of the MC Escher staircase using false perspective, it was to do stop frame animation over for the titles to a French game show. He’d just finished it when the phone rang “Destroy it!!!” It turns out the copyright was £1,000 per second so that’d be £30k every time the titles rolled! He kept it, it was on his music room wall :D
I have been trying to understand this for years and you explained it in minutes, you are a genius
"that's really expensive and useless to do in this video"
*drum rolls*
MISTER BEAST!
This is a certified double piece sign moment ✌️✌️
I figured you would need to tilt the stairs somehow to give the illusion, but I never thought about sloping the landings. Cool to see it all modeled out
If you had a long enough staircase, you could probably slope the landing just enough that it gives you that downward drop when you walk from the "top" stair on one side to the "bottom" stair on the other, that way when you look over the stairs it always looks like you are going the direction you want, but that starting landing is actually raised. The only "problem" would be that going from one stair case to the other wouldn't seem natural.
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The 50 UA-camrs that commented: You shall not pass!
i was thinking exactly that
Chainsaw man reference lmao😂😂
dude can talk and eat pizza both at the same time holy hell
Nahh boi.... THIS COULD BE ON EVERY SINGLE HORROR GAMES
The modelling skill here is really something, just a quiet understated part of the video but that's quite a skill
4:02 Thing is though (not to shit on your parade, but) you can see how it works right away, like the slant is really obvious and as a result it doesn't give you that odd impossible law of physics being broken feeling. You can just clearly see that the floor is slanted.
That’s what I was thinking. They clearly decline on the far left slope.
You never fail to impress me with your uploads. You're one of the most underrated content creators out there.
I appreciate that!
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00:01 - 00:20This brings me deja vu. I just finished watching Chainsaw Man not too long ago.
Would love to see this in a film
I feel like I was looking for this video whole my life
In terms of perception, because it is a spiral but at an angle the Leaning Tower of Pisa gives a strange experience of going both down and up at the same time, particularly when you're going down. They even give a warning that it can induce motion sickness. That's the closest in real life I think I'll ever come to an Esher staircase.
0:56 "I've come a long way in my understanding of the world" Spoken like a true ignorant who does nothing to make it better. Gross
Just imagine how many gb Jabrils has of audioless headshaking. Would look real weird if he lost a camera and someone *not subscribed* found it.
i would love to see this as an actual art piece in some park near an art museum
I like how he talks to the camera like a regular ass youtuber but he dubs over it like commentary, kinda neat
"These stairs are infinite"
"Or are they?"
this is so cool, i would totally visit some art sculpture that was a real-life recreation of this concept
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"I didn't choose the staircase. The staircase chose me." It chose well! 😄
That was entertaining and educating, while also being chillaxing. Thanks YT for recommending this, and thanks dude for making this.
i watched you're video yesterday and it got me thinking, maybe you did your 3d model wrong. instead of a slant or hill, why not use 2 other sets of stairs instead. doing this would work as it would solve the problem of the angle you would need if you were to go with a slanted platform, while thus creating a never ending stairs. granted, there would of course, be a point of entry, but the stairs themselves would never reach a destination as they would always lead to the other set of stairs. it wouldn't be the illusion that you were going after, but it would be a physical build of the forever stairs.
Thanks for this video, because I had had believed earlier that infinite staircase video was fake and they have done editing, but now I understood everything. Thanks again ✅
No no no, make no mistake, that infinite staircase video is a video editing hoax lol
@@Jabrils Thanks for removing the misunderstanding.
@@itzmranonymous LMAO
I always love your content!
Also I’ve been to the infinite staircase, I use to walk up it to get to my differential equations class.
The strangest part about it was that my math class was on the 4th floor of what looks from the front to be a 2 story art building.
Your video's are always so epic, your amazing Jabrils. Also you're an inspiration to all programmers.
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It's look like A chainsaw man scene where they got stuck in hotel level 8. ROFL.
The top landing is sloped down to meet the bottom step to create the illusion of an infinite Stair.
you ascended so much that you can communicate in human language while consuming food
The real plot-twist is that he just needs 70 stars to actually get up the stairs.
The only way to make an "infinite" staircase is with the 4th dimension. Perhaps you could program one into a game😃 To a 4th dimensional being it would basically be like climbing up and climbing down again exept every time it climbs down it goes in and out of the W axis
It's actually possible to do it without a fourth dimension in what's called nilgeometry, one of the eight Thurston geometries.
Putting an infinite staircase in a video game is borderline trivial, and this kind of thing has actually been done a few times. I can't remember any example games off the top of my head, they tend to be mods or custom maps or play-once-and-forget-it indie games (which is not a criticism btw, I love that kind of game). The one example I *can* remember is a game that didn't even use it in the end - the developer commentary in Portal 2 explains that during development they allowed the mappers to connect rooms in such ways to create impossible geometries, but only because they didn't want them to waste time laying out the separate rooms and corridors in a logical way when all of the rooms are still being actively developed and changed. Near the end of development, they finally sat down and laid out all of the (now finalized) rooms, removing all of the impossible geometries.
Except one instance in the whole game, they said. They didn't say where it was! But I think it was actually kept for technical reasons rather than actually making impossible geometry.
Also, I have to mention the infinite staircase in Super Mario 64!
I love how there's always that one Filipino construction worker named "Nelson"
You could probably make the slant at the ends much less extreme by having the stairs not be right angles, but each step overhangs the one below it, casting a false shadow that makes it look deep, but the each step height is much smaller than it appearS.
You can mitigate the gradient if you build two slopes on the landings and increase the distance between stairs and using clever shading you can make it look almost flat. The movie "The Avengers" from 1998 built an infinite staircase to use in one of the scenes basically using shading and selected viewing angles.
I remembered a episode from chainsaw man 😂
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2:45 I actually do this to myself by accident a lot in blender when using wireframe view lol
Awesome video, what is the name of the musics used?
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Didn't expect something with such high quality behind that profile picture, good job^^
Bro just made the enternity devil
@0:21 don't talk with your mouth full. I know your telepathic and all, but that's just rude.
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found your channel today. youre fucking awesome dude im about to 3d print this staircase and i hope you have a really good day man!
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1:51 The answer is he is in a slanted room (a room where the floor is a slope).
Whos Dilbert? 1:04
ah yes,
jabrils uploaded
chainsawman ep6 be like:
you could built a little 3D model of these stairs on a rubiks cube. You gotta take the cube hold it with one side facing you, rotate the each strip by a small angle keeping the same face towards you, then turn the cube to the right and rotate each strip by roughly the same angle in the same direction ( if you did the first side facing you upwards then do the second side upwards to ). Now if you view it from the sides and follow the "steps" you'll notice they always seem to ascend or descend
Funny enough in our local supermarkets, there are children's toys that is literally this, but much better to look at. They also have mechanical chickens walking up and down on it in the loop
Captain disillusion made a video about that many years ago.
So?
2:40 It's a dog obviously
1:50 Saw this on in Zach King! :D
If you make the steps diagonal you can get 0 height difference at the cost of not really having the illusion work at any angle. It'll still look strange, but way more natural. So it seems that you either preserve the effect to lose in slope differences or lose the effect to reduce slopes.
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3:08 look at the timeline in the background (his monitor)..
He is listening to his own voice....
Well that's it.. keep scrolling
0:28 "maths"
yep. That's where I click off the video.
0:01 scp-087
ummmm this guy needs to make more videos. he's wayyyyy too perfect for this. no talking and still makes A+ vids
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