F-15EX vs. F-35 Fighter (Which Is Better?)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- One of the current battles focuses on a seemingly simple question: should the Air Force spend a portion of its budget on a new version of its oldest fighter, the F-15 Eagle, or dedicate every available dollar to the F-35 Lightning, its newest fighter? Complicating matters is that the two aircraft are built to do different things. The single-engine F-35A is meant to carry out penetrating strikes into protected enemy airspace, relying on stealth and powerful sensors to avoid enemy troops. Whereas the Air Force’s soon-to-be-retired twin-engine F-15C fighters are air-to-air-only aircraft that patrol the airspace around the United States and foreign military bases, fending off intruders and potential attackers. The F-15 is non-stealthy as a fighter can get, but has a 33 percent higher maximum speed of Mach 2.5 and a longer range.
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It's done to streamline the aircraft which can make it lighter and more maneuverable. Newer aircraft don't need to jettison their tanks. They get no added benefit from doing so. Fuel is fed to the engines from all the fuel tanks at the same time in order to maintain the center of gravity or balance.
I imagine that 'landing' on a aircrAft carrier with people on deck, is made safer
As an retired airdefense officer i see the f15EX as needed in the intial engagement as the truck with the extra air to air missles that is needed to fight Chinia.
Couldnt even say it right. it's CHYNNNAAA.
The F-15 remains an absolute beast...
Its not about better
its what you can with each plane
The F-35 gives more options than F-15EX
while the F-15EX gives more payload and range
Both have their pros and cons depending on situation
Like, you’re comparing 2 different types of jets, one is for taking out targets danger close, bombing in formation, and being a badass, and the other is for being sneaky, an assassin, a decent dogfighter (especially after the Mach 2 engine upgrades that are coming in 3 years), and being a badass. Like comparing an F150 to an AMG.
In the end, they'll be complementary.
The F-35 will be able to act as a scout, spotting a whole lot of targets... while F-15EX will act as a bomb/missile truck lagging behind and ready to unleash hell upon those enemies.
The F-15 gives less payload while "stealthy". It can carry more but does not have the hard-points.
The f-35 goes in first and then when it’s outta ammo it designates targets for the f-15ex which won’t need to turn its radar on and give away that it’s chilling just behind he horizon or some mountains off radar
Exactly, when talking about offensive capability, the F35 is what we want. When talking about defensive capability, the F15's speed to intercept and ability to attack multiple targets with a large number of weapon systems, it's still the clear choice. But the only real reason the F15 is still on the table is cost. Really, the Airforce should be designing something completely new with the same capabilities, combined with some stealth, EW and pilot awareness features, with a large weapon capacity. But it's possible the F15's airframe capability has simply already reached the peak of price to performance vs mission needs and just requires new tech upgrades to match the niche the Airforce needs to fulfill with regard to defense. I think the choice is down to unmanned platforms, deployed as swarms or relatively cheap but proven weapon systems still piloted by people. I think most govt's and militaries are still unsure of how much they really want to rely on unmanned platforms. Communication and control can be a single point of failure that's vulnerable to another kind of attack while a pilot can improvise and still complete the mission based on their own situational awareness.
Interesting. The lack of F-22's is the main reason this is happening. The pairing of the F-15's and F-16's was a great one. With the addition of the F-22's and F-35's the expectations were that the F-15's and F-16's get phased out but with what has happened the mix of the older and newer planes the USAF has a nice capability to meet most needs if and when they arise.
What really puzzles me is that they intended the F22 to be just an air to air fighter plane. And yet, they shut the program down after 187 planes, cz it was deemed too expensive.
Now, what makes them think that the Fail-35 will fair any better WHEN it's already behind schedule and is supposed to do both air to air, air to ground, CAS and other roles as well.....and it's expected to be more affordable than the F22?
Nobody can afford to phase out those old planes because the new ones are not reliable.
@@johnp9890 Yes. Stealth planes can be tracked.
@@KondorDCS As my history teacher (and a movie) put it, "Military intelligence. A contradiction in terms."
@@KondorDCS
No the F-22 was shut down because shear stupidity
The F-22 came at the end of the cold war, despite the fact that F-15 fleet was over 20 years old at time, they still called it a cold war relic
Then you had a SecDef and President with no military experience making that decision to terminate
The USAF generals that supported the F-22 were forced to retire because of the Bent Spear incident in 2007
You didn't mention one of the key advantages the F-15EX has: It has an expected airframe life of 20,000 hours, 2-3 times as long as most modern jets, including the F-15C/D and F-35. So even though the purchase price is about the same, you'll have to buy more F-35s to have inventory for the same number of years.
Right and i don’t even think stealth even has a market in the terms of manned jets. That day has come and gone but it’s new market is stealth drones. So the new market for jets is having the extended life reworked frames with new ELECTRONICS. Electronics and some form a lower radar signature and suppression already integrated plus new engines and avionics FROM THIS CENTURY. So they are already familiar and makes sense to field the EX. It’s not a refitted upgraded old jet it’s all brand new.
This and running cost, is the actual reason why the f-15 air frame will still stay a big part of the USAF. They'll keep both and use both for roles that they excel in. Its silly to ask which is better, because it looks at the two aircraft in a vacuum, when performance is a metric that goes way passed the capabilities of the aircraft. You can easily make scenarios where one can seem better then the other, like a f-15ex would probably be very competitive in a dog fight against an f-35, but the flip side to that would be....why the hell would a f-35 be in a dogfight with a f-15 when it can smoke it from BVR without ever being detected?
Just for perspective, the F-35 airframe has been benched tested up to 24,000 hours if necessary, even if it's not been rated for it. The number Boeing is throwing out is likely the same type of number and may not be indicative of what the actual airframe life will be after certification.
I think that a mix of EX and 35 should be the more balanced choice. On a technical note: the thrust-to-weight ratio of the F-15EX, with the new engines and the light air-to-air armament (compared with the average air-to-ground of the F-15E) would be absolutely insane.
The mix is what we have.
@@hartley81848184 not really. I've heard that the EX orders have been reduced.
@@andreabindolini7452 We have the mix extraordinaire. Things change constantly. Given the fact that both aircraft could conceivably be in service when my great-grandchildren are grown - it's inevitable that things will change. And change. And change again. Look at the B-1B as a good example. Or the A-10.
@@andreabindolini7452 They increased them to 104, still less than the initial 120 though.
Both combat aircrafts come from different types. F-15EX is a 4.5th generation twin-engines heavy fighter whose total engine thrust is more than F-35, which lead to a further combat range and more payload, while F-35 is a 5th generation single-engine light fighter whose stealth characteristic is better than F-15EX. F-35 has less hardpoints and armanent payload capability compared to F-15EX
The F-15EX has less payload if it wants to stay "stealthy". It does not matter how much it can carry if there are only 4 missile bays.
Personally I love the F-15 and am glad to see it get an extension. The F-35 is an amazing aircraft and I’m sure it will fulfill its role but I do think there is plenty for the F-15 to do in the modern airspace.
Just don't fly it in contested airspace that has modern SAMs and the F15 should do fine. The job of the F35 is to penetrate those kinds of areas
Exactly, like shoot down damn satellites using the Pegasus missal. I don't think the F35 can carry anything that large internally and doesn't have the speed or climb rate to be as effective as the F15 in that regard. As an offensive weapon, the F35 wins in all categories, especially with US military doctrine being all offense all the time. For defensive purposes, the F15's speed trumps stealth and penetration capability. If the question is, does the the F15 still have a purpose in a world that includes the F35? The answer is vary much so, just not as an offensive weapon.
As commenters have ready stated the obvious here; different aircraft for different missions. I'd like to point out some critical things here that our video narrator did not- while the F-35A's cost is NOW comparable to the F-15EX (at one time it was $150 million per unit), the maintenance cost for the F-35S is still three times as much compared to the F-15EX projected maintenance cost. This is key to Figther Wings' already relatively 'tight' budgets.
And the F-15s greater range has to amount to something when thinking about a Pacific air war. The F-15EX would be of great value doing air
to air missions out over the SCS guarding AWACs and tankers from long range Flankers and J-20s ranging out over the Pacific looking to take out
those platforms. Chinese air defense systems wouldn't be as much of an issue out over the water as range,speed, endurance, and payload, which
the EX has in spades. Let the F-35s deal with bringing the war to the Chinese mainland and fleet while the F-15EX protects airspace over Taiwan
Guam, and Japanese owned islands from fighter raids and cruise missile carrying bombers.
The F-15 E Strike Eagle is multi roll fighter, Air to Air and Air to ground capabilities. Has been for well over 10 years. The F-15 is not just an Air superiority fighter.
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I put 100% of the blame on Congress. First for killing the F-22 well short of its initial run. Then for spending too much money.
Congress has not passed a budget in so long that I cannot find any real data on an actual budget.
They have been passing extremely wasteful omnibus bills that spend money on some trivial things and give too much to unnecessary items like gender studies in Pakistan. A muslim country that has little regard for women and girls… That is just a single example.
But Congress sees control of spending as paying less for military items that are actually in the constitution and they are mandated to do.
They killed (McCain especially) the F-22 because after sending us on endless wars with enemies that didn’t have air forces, they decided we didn’t need air superiority. And now we have to catch up to Russia and China. Even Iran is spending to improve its Air Force.
But we have been successfully divided and are becoming impotent. Good job, political operators and career politicians! Lobbyists too!
But we can just say I am a conspiracy theorist and that will fix it.
So far the Eagle is undefeated in over one hundred documented engagements... The lightening... 🤔😜🦅🇺🇸
If F-35 can spot and destroy the enemy's AA systems nothing can stand in the way of F-15EX. It is just as maneuverable as the best in the business but it is not only the fastest but it can carry as many as 22 missiles which makes it the most potent bird in the sky basically one F-15EX can do city wide scale of destruction with conventional weapons.
I believe the F-15EX will be able to share data with the F-35 over secure links. The F-35 could send targeting info to the EX which could attack those targets from outside detection range with new long range missiles that could be vectored in by the F-35 which can save its limited supply of ordinance for the highest priority targets in the air and on the ground.
@@TheLAGopher Yeah I also heard that F-15EX having many sensors found of F-35 including the real-time-sharing tech
both are great, why not both? just give half the budged for each
good video very informative.
The thing is that we are in $30 trillion debt
@@muh1947. the debt is increasing and it is going to keep increasing, even if all the military budget was completelly cut it would still increase, so as far as i know, theres nothing we can do about it
It would be great but it also would be against economies of scale
Yes the stealth requirement are n advand technlgy until now, but there r already been built the radar that can detect & to counter the stealth technlgy. So in the upcoming years, it is possible that stealth technlgy cannot be a priority to any defenses system surely ....
If that were really true, why is China aggressively deploying its own stealth platforms in the form of the J-20 and J-35?
Why is Russia still trying to get the SU-57 into service?
@@TheLAGopher that is what we call it a Political Game ... I presume that yourself already knows all super power Countries Play their own game (psychology) to compete each other right ???? ...
If you learn the flow, sure you will get the answer of your own question ....
F15....combat proven (even though only against vastly inferior forces, but still) well engineered and not trying to do everything at once.
Forget about the silly BS that a battle, any battle can be won with 0 losses.
I am in the both F-15EX and F-35 camp. Different aircraft and different missions. Yes, both are expensive. But the F-15EX argument is compelling and all F-35 doesn't seem very prudent to me.
Different planes with different roles. Its like asking if tanks are better than infantry.
Do what the Russians did,go with a proven craft and modernize it,weather it's
F22 or F15
based on this, what would make everyone happy is that there are two air-frames for air dominance the US air-force uses:
>twin engine twin seat. air dominance, air superiority fighter
made to be the best fighter in the air and dominate the skies. it should have full capacity and be able to carry a large payload of AA or CAS. Needs to be able to be backwards compatible for doctrine.
>single engine, single seat dominance and support fighter
F-35 fills this role, but is a little on the expensive side and has a slightly undersized payload.
however because of budget constraints the better option is to have several different aspects
you have your top of the line feature rich fighters, which are the spear point. Then you have your high performance fighters which are your spear blade. behind that are your attack craft which can operate from limited access points.
the B-1 is a strategic bomber
the B-2 is a strategic stealth bomber
the B-52 is just a heavy bomber
the B-21 is a strategic stealth bomber, but smaller and upgraded.
the A-10 is a jet propulsion based CAS
the F-16 is a economy oriented fighter and air dominance support
the F-15 is a performance oriented fighter and air dominance support
the F-22 is a performance oriented, stealth capable, air superiority fighter
the F35 is a feature rich, stealth capable, air dominance support fighter
the NGAD will be a performance oriented, feature rich, stealth capable, air superiority fighter, though what I have seen of it it looks to be a further down scaling of the B-21.
Stealth technology as an offensive advantage will be overcome by the Chinese and Russians, then what? USA PC pilots program results are unknown concerning merit.
Russian rezonans ne radar gave detected the israel's f35 to 400 km
yea, i think the technology to detect stealth aircraft is already out by a long time now, Russia has claimed they detected F-22's and F-35's and seeing how a F-117 was shot down by a Russian/Soviet SAM I don't really think they were bluffing
russian and chinese sensors and radar have not advance to the point being able to detect the f35 let alone the f22 which has a small cross signature. The f35 and f22 has been pitted against f16, f15, french rafale with a kill raito 15 to 1
Jet f-15 ex tangguh di segala Medan sedangkan jet siluman f-35 tanpa terdeteksi tapi rapuh di cuaca buruk
Really! haven't you heard, the 15x is getting built to act as a missile truck for the F35:)
Go with a mix of F15 EX and the silent eagle version of the F15
F 35 is better than everyone except
F 22 raptor that's all
Ф35 по основным показателям даже с 4м поколением соперничать не в состоянии. Ф 15 гораздо лучше
F15 is not just another f15. There's a reason it's called the eagle 2
I agree. The ex is a new animal. The air frame is time proven. With super modern tech, it is as formidable as anything out there in gen4 plus. It's a big airframe with a radar that can't be matched by smaller aircraft. Stealth is for cowards. lol
This is just me that I would prefer a new version of a proven fighter over a completely brand new version of an unproven fighter
My thoughts exactly, not to mention how badass the 15-EX looks
Bring the F-22's back
As much as everyone wanted the F-22 back, the design of the F-22 is getting older now. The recent upgrade for the F-22's are so expensive that it will be completed by 2040's which is by the time it is finished, the NGAD (6th gen fighter) will replace the F-22 steadily. Also, ironically for being a 5th gen fighter, it has yet to be fitted with Helmet mounted sight which was it didn't have it currently.
Here is the unstated lynchpin of this entire issue:. The f35 loses too much speed when it manuevers where as the f15 retains more speed. This is ABSOLUTELY critical ESPECIALLY in today's high-speed avoision combat.
The f15 is the cheap car you want that they advertise for the dealership. But when you get there, you get rung around more the expensive models.
The f15 is the most stubbornly well-engineered weapon of all time and history keeps reinforcing this theory
Why tfuk did we buy the f-22s. THis damn military soends money like candy!
If I were a fighter pilot, I feel safer being on board the F15 EX.
I know I like Russia but wasn't Russia a part of the design of the super hornet
That's exactly the reason why you're not
You have a way higher chance of being spotted shot down and dying in the f15ex. This isn’t a diss on the f15ex but it’s certainly less Capable then the mighty stealthyF35.
@@piepile6328 I don't think the F-35 would fare any better, US has been developing stealth technology for a while now and Russia was mainly developing technology to counter stealth aircraft
They just need to pay Boeing to modify F-15 with stealth characteristics like the F-15SE that have already been tested like tilted tailed like the F-18. Add in some of the benefits of the F-35.
Design and purchase unmanned stealth drones with some AI to fly ahead of the F-15EXs to take out enemy air defenses. Cheaper unstealthy unmanned decoy fighters can fly with the stealth drones to aid in detecting the enemy air defenses when they turn on their radars.
exactly my thought valeron5. all the EXs have a 2nd seat as well making it the perfect platform to utilize a weapons/drone/ communications/ command & control operator along w/ a pilot. I'd imagine that EXs, drones and F35s will be utilized together. The USAF is also looking to turn some EXs into USAF Growlers - integrating the new jamming pods being developed for the Growlers. Again - the EX is the perfect platform w/ a second operator and more thrust, speed and load capability than the Growlers meaning they can carry lots of weapons in addition to the jammer pods and thereby perform their air interdiction and strike in addition to Electronic Attack. Again - I think they'll be used in concert with JSFs and USAVs.
Funny how this video has President Alzheimer's making a cameo....talk about something needs to get retired and quickly.
So USAF finally came into conclusion, that Su-35 wasn't a bad idea at all, and they decided to make F-15 platform to be their own "heavyweight" fighter decades later than Russia did? Damn, it took a long while for US to consider that stealth multirole/fighter jets aren't as effective as they were supposed to be, lol. No wonder why F-22 are getting retired so soon.
More like the US figured out even it doesn't have limitless supplies of money and that certain mission sets can be performed just as good or better
by a non-stealthy platform that has greater range, speed, endurance, payload, and availability than a stealthy one, at lower operating cost.
If anything, the US is beating the Russians in the F-35/F-15EX mix reaching a similar mix of capabilities with the SU-35 complimenting the SU-57.
Take a possible future air war over the South China Sea. The F-35 would be great for going after Chinese air defenses and command and control centers
but would be limited against swarms of Chinese fighters due to its low missile capacity.
The F-15EX would be great for missions out over the water, away from land-based Chinese SAMs, such as escorting AWACs and tankers, as well as providing air cover for Taiwan and the US Navy by intercepting Chinese anti-ship cruise missile-carrying bombers ranging out over the Pacific looking for the 7th Fleet.
@@TheLAGopher Yup, maybe. Lets hope it will never came true.
The F-15 was flying years before SU-35. The f-22 will swat any Russian aircraft out of the sky.Say how's that economy going in Russia? Hey send a few su-35 over Ukraine and see what happens!Airbus will be picking through the crash site looking for titanium to build their planes! Ha! Ha! Ha!
@@cad5238 Yeah, lets compare fighter jet, that's at least 0,5-1 generation behind...that makes no sense. Ukraine is also using post-soviet era fighter jets, like MiG-29 or Su-27 and they are quite capable in terms of dogfighting.
I do not support Russian agression over Ukraine - i just love their design and overall look - same with Russian helicopter gunships, Ka-52 is a state of art. Too bad, that all of these airships are in wrong hands :/
P.S Su-27 (35 is a deep modernisation of this platform) is almost as old as F-15. The thing is, that both of these jets only LOOK like 70's design - their avionics are totally different.
Nothing to do with stealth. It's to do with the F-22 being cancelled due to it's irrelevance to the war on terror, leaving the F-15C in service and badly in need of replacement due to the age of the airframes. The F-15C fleet has had 2 expensive wing replacement programs since the mid 2000s just to keep them flying, and if the F-35 was ordered to replace the F-15 as well as the F-16, it would take almost a decade. The logical solution is to just buy Boeing's proposed upgraded F-15, which provides new airframes within a couple of years, and with a slightly lower operating cost than the current F-35A.
Similar thing happened with the Super Hornet. The USN decided to retire the entire Hornet fleet early so that the USMC could get spare parts for their Hornets, leaving the USN with a capability gap until the F-35 arrives in full. So to reduce that gap they ordered more Supers simply because they need more airframes, no matter how capable.
Also, the F-22 is not getting retired. A small portion of the fleet including the very first production airframes are being retired, with 150 remaining in service. The airframes being retired are old and outdated due to lack of upgrades (for example they're still using the original APG-77), and were almost exclusively used for training purposes. They will be used as a spare parts stockpile, and the reduced maintenance costs will be used to fund upgrades for the remaining F-22s.
One is ugly and one is pretty. That's all that matters
Please ...I'm GS rated I know the programmable matter graphene magnetic propulsion morphing air fighter blows these two out of their dimension...
The f15 is as non stealthy as a fighter gets.
Uh, the requirements of 4th gen was some measure of radar stealth. It's seen that most 4th gen fighters employ some measure of angled panels where returns are highest, their engine ducts are not straight, the main fuselage is built around complex curves and often the exhaust nozzles are recessed for reduced lateral IR signature.
Know your stuff
With foreign countries developing anti stealth defensive capabilities then what will happen once these “stealth” planes start to get detected, possibly shot down by enemy forces? Stealth is important, however, the cost will be passed down to the American tax payer once the government realizes it can’t continue to tax to death its American people then what?
a F-117 already got shot down, stealth isn't about being invisible as people like to think, it's about staying undetected long enough
Russia has already claimed it detect 5th gen fighters such as the F-22 and F-35 and I would very much love to see the technology (and proof) of how they did it
What the Air Force is not saying is that the F-15 EX can carry a nuclear cruise missile deep into enemy territory. Currently, no fighter that we have can accomplish this, including the F-15 E. We are relying on planes that can't fight their way to and from a target and we need a fast aircraft to accomplish this mission.
There is an old saying jack of all traits master of none.
I wouldn´t mind if there was a mix sure have the bombers and all of that to do land missions and such.
But don´t skimp out on air defense either otherwise some other nation that has a good air defense will be able to shoot the bombers down.
So have a mix of both bombers for when that´s needed but also airdefence if such things are required.
In pure aesthetic (i think that´s spelled right) i like the F-15 16 model better in appearance, and that is solely because i am a child of the 80s and a huge Transformers nerd and one of my favorites was Starscream and his model was based around the F-15.
I would rather have a f15ex with twin engine one engine fail you have another one to get you home safely !
Reading F15 ex sounds like reading F sex 😂
@@Ishikawa745 F-15EX + F-15SE = F-15SEX
We’re better off starting to manufacture the f22 again. Even if we only get half as many as the F15EX if war breaks out it’s better to have the infrastructure in place to pump out f22s that are actually capable of fighting on the modern battlefield then f 15s that’ll quickly become obsolete in a real wartime scenario. Unless the infrastructure used for the f 15 can be easily switched to build f22 or a capable stealth air superiority fighter then this is just a waste. China isn’t wasting time on 4th gen aircraft. We’re just letting them close the gap by putting resources into this.
The Chinese main fighter is the J-16 which is their version of the SU-30. They are fielding the J-20 for their air force and the J-35,both stealth platforms for their navy. The J-20 seems to have a limited mission profile. Its built to range out over the Pacific, using its stealth to evade US
fighters so it can destroy AWACs and tankers.Its not really a dog fighter. The J-35 appears to be a stealthy companion to the J-15 naval Flanker
and would fill a similar nitch as the F-35C does with the FA-18 E/F Super Hornet on US Navy aircraft carriers.
The J-16 is the primary dog fighter and would likely duel the F-15EX over Taiwan in any future Pacific war.
even the US Airforce is having that 70's-80's nostalgia trip.
The upside to having a variant of F-15's is simply maintaining aircraft, with upgrades. The down sides of having a fleet of F-35's is having to build all brand new facilities and support equipment, brand new maintainers, and brand new schools for training. Thec9sts associated with F-35's is not just per-aircraft costs, but everything else associated with the program.
Your documentation needs to urgently be updated!!! You should upgrade your rants over time!!! You also do not understand, how the US military works with new aircraft!!! What you fail to realize is that, the military buys a basic aircraft in the beginning... This is way we have A-models, B-models and so on and so forth to the last production model... The aircraft needs to grow into its full potential over time!!! So remember, the first models of any aircraft, are never what the aircraft becomes!!! It takes military pilots giving input to bring an aircraft to its full potential!!!
it very simple after the stelth program did not worl as planed as the enemies did detect stelth Jets and even tracked them !!
then its time to go back to your best ever builet jet ( F15 ) with 105 air to air victories and no loses !!
then make the best even better !!
Can’t compare these two aircraft
I've prayed the LORD BLESS OUR NATION WITH 7 NEW FLIGHTS OF F15EX EAGLES THE SAME FOR ISRAEL. BEFORE WE ENTER INTO ANY MAJOR FREIGH ON THE PLANET
PLUS BLESS US WITH THE QUALIFIED
PILOT STOCK THE WE DONOT HAVE ON BOARD. 🍞✝️🦅💰
Honestly we are working on a nice ass 6 gen I wouldn’t dump anymore money into shitty F-35’s. Our F-22’s are still running Russia and China don’t have their stealth planes up yet I say we stick with what we have until the 6 gen fighter we are building is ready to use, then drop the F-22 and keep the F-35.
f15 allows the airforce to have supersonic long range truck with air to air and air to ground missle carrier with link 16 the f35/f22 could paint target for f15 to unleash its massive payload without having to go in to deep in enemy anti air area and when it comes to border patrol and interception the f22 or f35 still cant macth the f15 especially now with the upgraded range of the ex variant f15 will fill in the gap very nicely for the airforce low running cost means they can be used in low intensity mission saving money and value add the stealth fighter in high intensity operations.
In hindsight I think it would have been cheaper to just stick with and upgrade the F-22 program long term I imagine the cost would go down however because they decided not to export them that would be a problem. Then I understand there still would be a need for a SVTOL jet so they would end up building another airframe anyway but probably wouldn't be so far behind. I like the new F-15ex and always thought it is better to upgrade a proven reliable airframe because when it comes down to it you want to know the damn thing works and is ready to go. The fact that no F-15 has been lost in combat to this day after decades of service I'm surprised they didn't do this before and is was foreign nations who kept the F-15 program alive demanding upgrades.
The F22 was designed for a kind of battle that should and can be completely avoided if possible. The F22 basically proved it's own unnecessary cost by never being needed for it's primary mission and waaaay overpriced for anything else. But it's development was a necessary step on the way to a cheaper multirole version and so is the F35. I don't think the military will be using the F35 until 2080 as they've stated. There will be at least one new platform that will work in concert or fully replace the F35 by 2040. That and new blocks of the F35 will trim or expand for more specialized roles given it's built in ability for upgrades and expansions, something the F22 lacks. It just wasn't designed by or for the 21st century battlespace.
This comparison is irrelevant. The two fighters serve different purposes. The F-15EX is meant to be a 4'th generation missile truck. The F-35 is meant to be an air interdiction attack fighter. So spending money on one does not rob from the other.
All these videos on the EX and not one of them actually sits down and goes over the differences from the C/D in detail. It's all video garbage. REALLY wish we could still see downvotes.
Better at what? They do different missions. One is stealth, the other is not.
People should be hung for the fact we paid billions for these aircraft and still only got half of them. Honestly those companies should be permanently banned from future sales to the military.
The answer is they should have bought more Raptors! Minimum of 500.The Lightning is NOT an air superiority fighter.
Meanwhile india: Mig-21 is enough
don't forget that they're still flying with Jaguar's and older Mirage's as well
They get by with the old school and fly it for what it's worth... Same with Iran and those old F14A's they keep upgrading and keeping in flight (No clue how many now). Whatever works I guess.
Su 30 MKI, MiG 29
Depending on the mission, both planes are important! Gen 4 + + is actually Gen 5 minus (stealth).
Gen 5 is still just a marketing slogan that doesn't mean anything tangible. It's like a commercial slogan to promote the product. And there is still no such thing as stealth only reduced RCS.
Wow we got some expert here
@@wogelson If basic, common sense looks like expertism to you, then your hopelessly inferior.
@@wogelson 💀
Why f22 program is scrapped and this is superior to f35
We need a diverse comeback jets so no we don't only need f-35s. F15 isn't a multi role jet so it can focus on air superiority
The best way to double your money folded in half need I say more
既存保有する国はF15改修する
必要あるF22は輸出無理、
F35もコスト的に保有少ないなら
現状戦力を落とさす維持するなら
EXプランが必要でしょうね。
Who cares which one is better? They would never face each other in battle seeing as they are both American fighter jets
Can’t run a race with a truck when everyone else are using much advanced coupes…F35 is the future!
The lack of research is shown. It's apparent you do not know what you're talking about.
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both F-F are good jetfighter planes...
F-15 is a more fast speed / twin jetmotors but 2 error designs...
F-35 is a normal speed / single jetmotor...
no matter which is better jetfighters...
both are good teams
1700 jets and not enough pilots to use them, all we do is buy them and park them
They should buy both. Giving that can give you greater numbers and advantages of having both. Giving what going on with China you need as many fighters as you can get operating. Giving the F-15EX can hold weapons the F35 cant with out wing mounting them removing it stealth it let them use a great number of stand off weapons.
We in Poland have a MiGi-29 9.12. It is an excellent fighter as shown by the war in Ukraine. Unfortunately, we will give the MiGi-29 to Ukraine and the best option to replace them is the F-15EX.
If the operating costs of the F-15EX will be similar to that of the F-16V, the F-15 will offer greater performance than the F-35A and F-16V at an acceptable price.
The AESA radar capabilities - simultaneous shooting of 6 air targets, BVR ammunition stock, and a much higher top speed than the F-35A and F-16V make it an ideal interceptor for air superiority.
It is not always the case that the old design such as the MiG-29 or the F-15 is bad. A different use of the aircraft means that it is not inferior to the F-35A and in many cases it is better and more needed. The F-35A is the new F-16V and nothing else. And the intercepting plane has to be very fast and fly 2Ma without restrictions - non-stop.
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One of the main architects of this is former congressman Dave Obey (D) of Wisconsin, who put an amendment not to export the F-22 to ANY "Foreign" buyers, what a STUPID idea that was, period!!! That made sure that the US taxpayers flipped for 100% of the cost of this program & under the weak Obama Administration ... the F-22 was cancelled. Had the F-22 been able to be sold to NORAD partner Canada & trusted allies like the UK, Australia, Japan & some other European countries ... this fighter would be still in production & getting updates!
OK--------. If you want to go Projected Costs for Both Fighters(which is only Fair) The F-35 is Projected to only Cost 25,000 per flight hour or about the same as the F-15 EX . FACTS are that the F-15 , F18 and F-16 all had 35,000 Dollar flight hour Cost at the Same time as F-35 in their Develupment/Deployment time lines. Which backs up the Projected F-35 Cost/hour of only $25,000 per flight hour in only a few years. So basically they Are LYING about operating Costs trying to Justifie the F-15EX procurement when using the F-15EX money on more F-35s would drive down the Cost of the F-35 even more while allowing the F-15 REPLACEMENT Stealth Long Rang Next Gen 5.5 fighter to come on Line sooner in stead of Banking on a full 6th gen fighter decades in the future when it will do Ammerica no Fricking Good in the up coming War with Russia or China. America NEEDS/Must Have a 5th Gen long range Fighter Replacement fo the F-15 and F14 NOW!
Don’t look at me. Don’t look at me. Oops I did it again. I crashed and burned. Who’d a thought a bowling ball like me with tiny feathers for wings would not respond to pilot commands to pull up in time.
A test pilot report detailed the performance of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter in a mock air battle against a two-seat F-16D in January. The F-16D-based on a design developed 40 years ago and from a production run in the mid-1990s-bested the F-35 in close-range combat maneuvers.
In the report, the F-35 pilot reported that his aircraft was in a "clean" configuration for the test, carrying nothing under its wings or in its internal weapons bays. The F-16, on the other hand, was flying with under-wing external fuel drop-tanks, which in theory would have put the aircraft at an aerodynamic disadvantage.
Apparently, it didn't. "Even with the limited F-16 target configuration, the F-35A remained at a distinct energy disadvantage for every engagement," the F-35 pilot reported. That means the F-35 constantly found itself flying slower and more sluggishly, unable to effectively maneuver to get the F-16 in its sights.
Furthermore, the F-35's high-tech helmet, which is supposed to give the pilot the ability to essentially "see through" the plane with the assistance of external cameras and sensors, didn't help matters. "The helmet was too large for the space inside the canopy to adequately see behind the aircraft," the pilot reported, which made it impossible to keep visual contact with the F-16 during the dogfight.
F-16 co-designer Pierre Sprey berated the F-35 "inherently a terrible plane, because it's built based on a dumb idea"-a multirole, multi-service aircraft. "You've compromised the aircraft horribly for three different missions, and then you've compromised it again for three different services." He said the aircraft was "astonishingly unmaneuverable" because of its ratio of wing surface to weight. "In dogfighting, it's hopeless.
Y'know you make a good point about the fact that F22 was canceled so early.
NGAD must be really paradigm shifting.
Obama canceled the program to make room for other things that all failed. The F-22 is still the most amazing aircraft ever designed and I hope that it is either upgraded or continued.
Let the ''C''s retire! And, the comments on the EX way out of place. It looks like a Qatar 15 did you say? It is a old ,out of date air frame? Lacks sensors?..........That is funny. We were told that this plane had upgraded everything. To include shared data links with other fighters. That it is considered 4.5 generation. A venerable contender, with a high survival rate. And now this channel is crapping all over it. Like they did the F35 before.
Nice video...smart content well presented...well reasoned...well done.
The F-15 is a proven platform that's reached legendary status. The damn thing shoots down satellites! Some things may have reached their design peak with regard to purpose. You might need to just cover ground at the fastest speed possible, with as many weapons as possible. It's not likely the US will be in a position like that but you have to plan for the unthinkable.
What no one has explained to me is why, if the F22 was the cat's bollocks (yeah I know!), it was retired.
At the time, the powers that be didn't see it contributing to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and great power competition was not on the radar.
Besides, they thought the F-35 was being developed with much more multirole capabilities and could be sold to US allies, so funding could be
better spent on the later program.
People thought about bringing the F-22 back to full production, a few years later, but among other things, it was a late Cold War design focused on fighting the Soviets, which meant long range was not really a design concern. With China now being regarded as the number one strategic competitor for the US, the range was seen as a limiting factor for the F-22 for any future Pacific air campaign vs China. It was reasoned that its better to design a
new 6th generation fighter with longer range over building more F-22s.
@@TheLAGopher
Excellent reply! Thanks for enlightening me. 👍
Buy more EX's, ditch the lemon, focus on 6th generation.
The faster the plane, the more energy , so more range, every fired rocket gets.Speed and climb speed are the most important aspects.Who cares stealth, when enemies swarm your sky? Stealth is more an offensive aspect imho.
That extra range doesn't matter if you can't detect the target. Though given the Russian and Chinese aren't anywhere close to creating proper stealth fighters the F-15 still has a place in the USAF.
cant compare different generation aircraft designed to do wildly different things, the silent f15 as much updates it has its still a f15 design, not to mention multirole and air superiority have absurdly different design choices
F15 ex the best
How many quarterbacks does one Football team usually need?
Never should have shut down the F22. Thanks Obama.
The F15 will stay in service
All that money spent it better remain in service ;) Still a hell of a plane no doubt.
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Wake up, same mentality and greed at the top. Just stupid.
What makes you think the f-15 EX doesn't have sensor fusion, and doesn't have computing power equal or greater than the older F-35A. The high price of the F-15EX should be a dead giveaway that it has comparable avionics, and given that it's newer and larger, it's going to have more processing power.
the f15ex shares the same cockpit instrumentation as the f35, research and development payed for by foreign parties interested in the ex, it also has the most powerful processor ever put into a fighter aircraft so in reality it has better sensor capabilities and inter connectivity than even the f35 has
Maybe the USAF needs to have defensive & offensive units,just like the US army must have.
How is that the F-15EX cost similar to the F-35? this corporations are a problem. I remember when Gwynne Shotwell toll congress that she did not knew how to build 400 million dollar rockets. The F-15EX is clearly overpriced.
Not really overpriced... it's what you get when you build big fighters. Double the engine cost, double the material cost for the airframe, more room for avionics results in more expensive and powerful avionics being added. It might not be the most appropriate fighter for a modern battlefield, but the price is understandable.
@@dumdumbinks274 I can see your point and I know it will naturally more expensive than a similar technology F-16. Even so it's old technology in an old but modified frame. It should cost a fraction of that price. They say the same about the old rockets, and then the government got and alternative (the old school corporations and politicians try to block Space X from government contracts, and Ariane is doing the same in Europe).
The F22 is such a superior Jet. You don’t need too many to shoot down a whole Enemy Squadron and sneak away unscathed. Prob only 1-2 can take on a whole squadron.
Six aim -120 and 2 aim-9.
Sometimes, I wished the F-14 super tomcat would’ve replaced f-15 and others in the fourth gen fighter. Instead, we have this f-15 and onward.
Lol
Within the military, the F-14 was a WILDLY unpopular fighter. The only reason why it has the status it does is because of movies like Top Gun and The Final Countdown in the 1980s. All models of the F-14 were unstable to fly, a pain in the ass to maintain from a convenience perspective, and expensive to maintain. Not to mention it's primary weapon, the AIM-54 Phoenix, was less than reliable and large, often times with pilots having to jettison them just to land safely. Many Naval Aviators in regards to flying the F-14 said, "I can't believe it was legal."
The missle truck strategy sounds scary as F..
The F-15 is the iPhone of military planes
I think the US should have developed a replacement to the F111 Ardvark. You could incorporate stealth and essentially make a longer wider F35/F22 to take advantage of stealth but be able to carry 12 Joint Strike Missiles or 24 SDBs. Stop building do it all aircraft. The B1 Lancer can't be replaced by an F35. It needs a true replacement.
The F-111's replacement was the F-15E. Same capabilities overall, but able to defend itself if jumped. Besides, the point of large payloads was to ensure target destruction back when 10 bombs were required just to provide a reasonable chance of hitting the target. There's no need for such large payloads on modern strike aircraft equipped with smart bombs.
Nobody of relevance is claiming the F-35 will replace the B-1B.
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What are the other two flags that Japan is Inbetween
Upgrading from f15c to f15ex like upgrading from 737 to 737max?
As I’m biased to the F15,I’m glad they will still be around.
Operating costs per hour are deceiving.