Yamaha Aventage RX-A8A - Part 2 - In-house Review - Initial Setup and YPAO
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2023
- Yamaha Aventage RX-A8A - Part 2 - Initial Setup and YPAO
Ripewave Audio brings in the Yamaha RX-A8A flagship AV Receiver for the first time. We run through the initial setup including YPAO for this installment.
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Thank you for giving the Yamaha another look over, apart from yourself and gene at audioholics everyone who tested these when they were released about 2 ya, other reviewers have not went back to check after the updates. Everyone did for D&M but not the Yamaha, i know why.
Again, thanks for the work you are putting in.
Glad you like the approach. I believe we should be looking at all brands and give them a look once the firmware has stabilized. Many brands have experienced problems with their initial releases - some just get through the turbulence more quickly and will less pain to owners. -Jon
Gary Busey… is that you?
Awesome review - Had no idea about the web setup!
At +9dB your subs are almost at the maximum allowed in the menu system. What I do is I put the physical volume knob on both subs at 25% then let YPAO run again and now my two subwoofers are -1dB and +4dB and the centre speaker is around -4dB. That's when I was truly able to dial in the sub's volume to how I wanted them to sound.
Thank you for the shout-out Jon!
YPAO sounds like it's doing some interesting things. I'm interested in hearing how it compares to Magic Beans! Also, MB can export to with settings specific to YPAO.
Joe - getting caught up on responses this week. Sorry for the delay.
I was able to export Magic Beans settings and import them into the Yamaha A8A. The differences between YPAO and beans was not as clear to me as with the ones we already compared.
I now have the Monoprice HTP-1 and ARCAM AV41 (both with Dirac Live support) inhouse and will try the same.
Jon
Thank you for clarifying everything with respect to setting up and understanding this amplifier, I've been attempting to resolve issues and understand some of the modes for weeks now and you've just covered it all here.
Many thanks,
I am glad that this level of detail was helpful to you. Thanks for letting me know. -Jon
Fantastic thanks for your great review.
I have the CXA-5200 and configured my speakers and multiple subwoofers using the parametric EQ.
I was using the mini dsp 2×24 HD but it produced a loud audible thump through my subwoofers when powering off the CXA-5200.
I stopped using the mini dsp because the parametric EQ with fine tuning was able to get rid of the peaks and nulls in the bass department. You can customise the Yamaha's sound however you want to.
I appreciate that feedback. Surprise the MiniDSP would introduce some bad elements, perhaps it is the combination of things. Glad the PEQ in the Yamaha gets you to a better place. Makes sense. -Jon
Amazing review as always Jon!
Loving the details 😀
Can't wait for the listening comparison.
Thanks for the compliment- hopefully the listening review was useful. If there were point you disagreed with let me know. I try to keep an open mind. -Jon
Great review. I upgraded my 3040 to a 3080 a few years ago and noticed that your chart compares the 3080 to the A8A, with not a lot of differences, but saw that other reviewers found significant faults with it. I think I will wait until the next iteration.
Great review I just bought the little brother. I found the Yamaha a6a Yamaha factory refurbished for $1,200 with a 3-year warranty. Very excited since I'm upgrading from a Yamaha 3070.
I think you will be pleased with the Yamaha RX-A6A and for the price you paid, a great value. How has the experience been so far? -Jon
Great Video ❤
Thank you - hope you continue to tune in. -Jon
Excellent work
thank you - glad the content was well received. -Jon
Excellent. I use a Yamaha 2080 and have Polk LSIM line as my theater speakers.I found the spatial audio Toolkit worked great with my Yamaha. Thinking of changing up to a sony ES model just to try it out but Im going to wait till I get more feedback on its performance. Sounds like Magic Beans is a game changer. Ive never been able to figure out the Yamaha PEQ. Might jump on Beans when its released.
Good to hear from another Polk owner that uses the Spacial Audio Toolkit. I am testing the Sony next - likely my October project. -Jon
Thank you,.. looking forward to your next review of this receiver.
I currently use the 2080 & have enjoyed it & never had an issue with it.
Im going to upgrade my entire 7.2.4 system soon & will purchase a new receiver.
At present I’m torn between this A8A & flagships from Integra & Sony. Replies & recommendations appreciated . I will use separate amps for LCR speakers but not interested in total separates
Glad your experience with the 2080 has been very positive. All the brands are able to support your 7.2.4 configuration, so you can focus on sound quality and features. So far I have found the Yamaha to sound better then others I have tested. Integra is one my list, but Sony I believe will be next. I think your approach to use separate amps for LCR should be sufficient and will alleviate the load on the receiver. -Jon
Excelent!
Thank you! -Jon
hope there is part 3 covering hdmi 2.1 on zone 2 as earlier requested
I do recall the request and it is a good one. Seeing this today, I decided to write down the note so I don't forget going forward. -Jon
Reality is most don't touch the volume knob. Usually the results are done with the remote. Which is why if you sell a used AV product without the remote, it is a tough sell. i bought a used Anthem Receiver and the remote is fine, and the volume control likewise, the sound is what I am after of course. Almost bought an Aventage, but wanted to stay with Anthem.
Fair point. Having my first Ho-Fi experiences with the Marantz 2075 which was all analog and no remote, I still use the physical volume knob and judge as part of the quality. However, you are right, the most important criteria is how it sounds. That’s for that more universal perspective.-Jon
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Glad you liked the content. - Jon
The first ( few, 2 I think ) over the air updates I had to do for the A4A I had to run via USB after that it updated via WiFi just fine.
I have seen that at time with different products. Yes, that can be the case as they mature the solution, it becomes capable of Wi-Fi updates and not just Ethernet or USB. -Jon
I still have an rx2600 running daily. I have a lot of legacy equipment, rca, spdif, svideo and I don't want to discard them. Difficult to find newish receiver as an upgrade path.
Yamaha has always been a solid performer in the AV receiver market. Great idea on the motion back light for the remote. Wish our McIntosh MX123 remote had this rather than just the push button on the side. Is it an LED backlight Jon?
I really like the motion back light. The button on the side of new Marantz remote is the next best thing. I don't like searching for the button on the remote. The Arcam I an testing just turns on the back light when you press any button, but I get nervous about what button I am pushing to turn the back light on. -Jon
@@ripewave good point Jon
Had one and sold it at a loss ... Build quality was adequate but the problem with this receiver is the appalling Mid Range ... thin with no body ... Video performance was outstanding and impressive ... Yamaha this receiver could have been so much better on the audio side
Sorry you have that negative experience. I was lucky not to have the same with the mid range. I would say the build quality issues were limited to the front panel and knobs - to which I feel as you that they missed an opportunity to make this a true flagship - Jon
Hi Jon, thanks for another great review. I see in the specs that these models aren't 4 ohm capable for all channels driven unlike all their competitors. All my speakers are 4 ohm but will be setting them up in a small room. Should I look elsewhere?
Yours is a good question. Yamaha claims compatibility with speakers "at least 4 ohm" with their latest receiver series. While their reported specifications only list 4 ohm ratings at 1 channel driven, that alone doesn't mean that it won't handle loads with 100% 4 ohm rated speakers. I did not find any warning not to use that configuration, so my guess you are fine. With that said, I find it odd they don't provide 4 ohm ratings as part of their reports 2-channels driven specification, but they don't report any measurement over 2 channels driven. It seems they are playing the specification game to position their receivers with the largest competitors who are selling 140-150W receivers. We can assume that the true all channels rating is a bit lower and less favorable for their marketing. -Jon
@@ripewave I first noticed the spec (4 0hm only on front L and R speakers) on Crutchfield's page. I contacted Yamaha directly and they verified it. They literally told me to look at other brands. If you have access to a Yamaha rep I'd love for you to press them on this. Thanks.
If Yamaha is saying that, then I would stay clear. I wish they would provide that warning in their documentation. I do not have access to Yamaha beyond the standard support line, so I would likely receive the same response. Very disappointing. -Jon
My Yamaha separates still working great....bought Yamaha Rx-a8a for a spare....have a couple of videos posted in Pure Direct mode stereo....working great.... also still have a Yamaha RX-Z11 in closet..also working great still for another spare...lol.. 75 lbs! YAMAHA.... !
Z11 in the closet is a sad thing. Id have that as the center piece of a nice 2 channel system
@3184Patrick I know... I have 16 videos posted... haven't made one of it yet.... working on it.... I have it on a rack-selve and slid it out the other day and hooked it up to a cd player and listened to it on the headphones....I do miss it n action.... ! Lol...Thanks!
Always nice to hear from a long-term owner of a brand to understand if they are keeping the quality up. It sounds like Yamaha is and from my experience, I agree. -Jon
@@3184Patrick have RX-Z11 video posted....!
Thank you for this clip, if you were to choose between the Yamaha RX-A4A and the Marantz Cinema 60, what would you choose? I'm more inclined to pick the Yamaha I'm just not sure what to do.
As neigther supports Auro-3D, I would focus on sound quality. I believe that the Yamaha RX-A4A will give you better out-of-the-box sound quality. -Jon
Thank you!@@ripewave
Can I add a wireless speaker in the same room as the RX A6A rear speakers?
I like my ax8a I’m just learning some things but I don’t like the fact that I can’t have the on screen volume and set up
Could you do a stupid man’s setup
My amp is in a computer compartment in a cupboard so I use iPad to control but I think the old controll app was better
I would like to be able to use the remote but which sender would you suggest cheers john from nz
Great feedback. I haven’t played around with remote IR receivers too much. I have used with a Harmony remote. I think the key is the specification or range and angle.
It seems there is a rush to move to webpages and mobile apps in place of on screen displays. Functionally, there are benefits, but I don’t want to loss OSD in the process. There is still a need.
I am not sure I could pull off another video on this Yamaha as I don’t have mine any longer. I cycle these in and out and only keep my Emotiva and Marantz units full time. However, good idea to put together a quick-start like video for each model I review. -Jon
I am considering the RX-A6A as I do not need all the channels of the RX-A8A. It seems I am understanding the construction,functionality and performance is the same except for the addtional 2 channels. Am I missing anything?
Without bringing in the RX-A6A, I understand that is the case. The same performance less 2 channels. -Jon
@Ripewave Audio How did you do the manual calibration for pattern 2 (7.1.4 with upper speakers)? I would like to build 7.1.4 setup but Yamaha supports 11.2, so I don't know how to achieve that.
I believe I ran YPAO for that 7.2.4 layout. So it was automatic. When Yamaha advertises 11.2 they are saying 11 total speakers and 2 subwoofers. The 11 speakers can be 7 ear level and 4 height channels. -Jon
How did you get your av receiver to record on screen instead of using a camera?
I have a USB HDMI capture device - you can get on Amazon for under $20. I then use OBS software to record the video stream from the USB device. The HDMI end is plugged into the output of the AV Receiver. -Jon
@ripewave Thanks, mate!
Hope that helps
wasn't this receiver released nearly 2 years ago. Not sure I see the point in doing this video on what is essentially an old receiver
You are wrong. It is still valid because Yamaha has a 10year cycle. And just because D&M release a product every year with virtually no updates and market it like the iPhone doesn't mean you are getting anything new.
PS. Also, With the SOC onboard means (if Yamaha can pull their fingers out) they can reflash, upgrade and add additional services/features. Again, unlike D&M with their 2 year obsolescence.
While not launched this year, this is the latest receiver range from Yamaha. The audience for this channel has asked that I include Yamaha. I have done the same for other brands with the condition. -Jon
I did hear Yamaha state that they have design this platform to take them through the decade. -Jon
It is also my understanding that this RX-A8A behaves much differently than when first released. As others did faster reviews of the immature product, they missed out on what it is now. In general, others did not update their reviews. So Jon filled a need for many.
What a terrible design! What's with the tint display? Why not 2 bigger displays on either side of the dial? Whoever designed this thing should be fired! None of these companies will design something modern and elegant. See NAD,Arcam & Anthem. Good job guys. Exact reason I just bought an Arcam.
The choice of front panel display baffles me. I completely agree. -Jon
@@ripewave You can't even see the display from your couch. One of the reasons I just bought an Arcam AVR 11. That's how you do it. Not too mention the sound is of the angels!