Yamaha YPAO Room Correction Finally Works?!?
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- Yamaha's latest generation of AVENTAGE receivers have updated YPAO (Yamaha Parametric room Acoustic Optimizer) with their new Low Frequency mode that finds the problematic room bass modal frequencies so you can go and manually adjust the PEQ filters to flatten out the bass and improve the response. In this video, I go over my calibration results with in-room REW acoustical measurements and listening results. I offer suggestion tips and tweaks of YPAO to get the best sound out of your home theater. There are some critical settings I suggest that can make or break the calibration results so you'll want to pay close attention to try these out in your system.
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0:00 Introduction
0:40 Note About Room Correction
1:35 Calculating Filter Q
2:00 Yamaha RX-A6A YPAO
2:50 YPAO REW Measurements
11:13 EXTRA Bass Feature
12:22 Web Editor
14:22 YPAO Listening Results
16:35 Bottom Line on YPAO
17:30 Recommendations
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Would love to see you guys do a instructional video on how to do manual PEQ
Your Aventage evaluations have convinced me that I should replace my older Yamaha AV receiver with an RX-A4A or A6A!!!!! Thank you for providing the facts and keeping it real!
That's good to hear! Although without context it's hard to gauge whether that's good or not. Like your results look good but without comparison to XT32, Dirac, or Anthem ARC in the same room/speakers it's hard to say yeah that's doing on par or better or worse job. Appreciate the video!
For me it was a complete game changer - with a bad room acoustics, it improved characteristics drastically
Thanks for going long way to explain and making it understandable.
Full respect from long time follower from Australia.
Zoran
Amazing work as usual... Thank you very much for such a detailed analysis.
About my own experience with a RX-A8A, I find the stage way wider with YPAO correction (flat) while in stereo or Auro-3D upmixing.
I also noticed that it's very sensitive to speaker placement : at some point, after cleaning the room, I think I didn't put back the speakers exactly in the exact same spot and was disappointed by the sound. Ran YPAO and magic was back, wider stage, better separation/spread...
Purely based on earing experience, so totally subjective and not scientifically measured.
That’s really great to hear Gene. Good stuff.
Thank you again. I was going to mess around wirh an rxa aventage 1080 I got for a really good price. There were a lot of concerns about the amp measurements and YAPO on another site but I feel much better that the software at least handles some low frequencies and set the distances accurately.. I currently am running Denon which I owe you a big thanks for your tutorial on Audessy with the Greek guy (Theo?). Holy cow changing the curtain and limiting the Multeq-x app to correct just the first reflections made a world of difference.
I love it! It's so noteworthy, he's even made an icon out of it. "No Snake Oil" You're speaking to me.
I really like using the A6A PEQs and doing it exactly as you described. Running ypao, then copying flat results into PEQs and start finetuning on my own with REW control measurement. Sure, it takes some hours, when applying for all Channels, but thanks to new web interface and much more selectable frequencies it can be nearly used as a Minidsp. Thumbs up Yamaha.
I use the RN803 for bedroom duties. The ‘standard’ YPAO in that unit does help to make the unit sound better. Clears up the low end to make the tonal balance better.
I just got this receiver to replace an old, broken Pioneer Elite. I am using 5 Rocket speakers & a Velodyne digital sub. Haven't even completed YPAO yet, but it already sounds great so far. The sound can be very subtle & delicate, or in your face bold. The lighted remote is pretty awesome & quite heavy! Input changes respond quickly. A very, very nice receiver that I picked up new for $1600. Besides my motorcycle, this was my 1st Yamaha!
Thx Gene for the LIKE reminders for us older sprouts. :)
QUESTION: Do you know/ suspect that Yamaha will retro update YPAO version in any prior units?
Or is in only inherently possible to newer units/ newer chips?
I wish their older machines could update the firmware for existing ypao implementations. Surely by now tweaks can be made on most if not all of the yapo versions
Hi Gene, appreciate how you keep updating us on the Yamaha RX series. In the case of YPAO and sub-woofers, what would you do if those subs could independently run ARC (such as the Paradigm X12's?).
YPAO definitely worked for me today with my Yamaha RX-V6A. I was doubtful as well. Without going into too much detail my 5.2.1 speaker setup sounds much more crisp and immersive after running YPAO.
Hey Gene. Great video. I've had the A8A for a couple of months now. I couldn't agree more with you on YPAO. I got excellent results, with only some minor tweaks on sub level and rear surround levels for my taste. The YPAO speaker distance measurements were spot on! It's pretty amazing. I have a laser measurement tool and the measurements were exact with YPAO. My previous receiver was a Pioneer Elite (SC-77), and I gave up on it's room correction tool. I got much better results by ear (and my laser measurement tool). I also love the sound of the A8A. I chose this A/V primarily because of how pleased I am with the Yamaha A-S 2200 in my home offices. I love the warm sound. I guess I'm a Yamaha fan boy! :)
I just picked up a brand new A8A for 2500. Planning to use it in a 7.1.4 setup in my large 700sq ft open floor living space, that has windows and 9 ft ceilings. I am hoping that this YPAO correction software does the job. I keep getting told to sell this Yamaha and get a Denon 4800 which is the new generation that just come out, the units should ship next month. It has Audyssey and in a future update will have Dirac. It also allows you to shut down each amp channel. I'm guessing that allows it to reserve all power for other channels. Unlike our Yamaha that when you use preouts I'm being told the remaining onboard channels do not get the extra power in the amp.
So anyway I got an amazing deal and want this unit to work. Just wanted to get your thoughts on your unit, if you've had any issues at all, any arguments on why I should keep this unit, etc.
@@LichaelMewis great price on the A8A ! I like YPAO. I also like to manually tweak the sound. I’ve had no issues with my A8A. I currently have a 7.1 setup in my theater. Will soon be adding 4 presence speakers for a 7.1.4. I love the “Yamaha sound”. Last week, I purchased the A4A for my bedroom. It’s a 5.1 surround setup, so the A4A is perfect, and allows for a 5.1.2 setup if I want to grow. Amazon had the A4A for $1149, which was a great price. I couldn’t resist! So, as you might guess, I’m going to recommend Yamaha. However, you can’t go wrong with Denon, either. Good luck with your decision!
@@CharleyClose thank you. I think I'll hold on to the A8A. Once the Denon 6800 comes out (I'm hearing about a year from now), I will look to possibly move to it. Also I found out the 3800 only has two zones where the A8A has three zones. I need three zones minimum. Glad you have good experience w/ YPAO. I'll be fooling around with it once all my speakers come in.
@@LichaelMewis good plan! I think once you settle in with the A8A, you’ll be completely satisfied. You may even forget about the Denon 3800! LOL. Who am I kidding!? We audiophiles are never really satisfied, are we!? Haha. Enjoy the A8A! I know I am!
what level of integrated/stereo amplifier in the yamaha lineup would be needed to sound better than the a6a/a8a for 2 channel music performance?
thanks
Hi Gene, great stuff - professional information but also understandable for non-pro‘s! One specific question which came to my mind regarding YPAO: if frequency response correction are done only rarely by the automatic system, how does it perform in terms of timbre matching the speakers e.g. Front vs. Surround? I mean even my well treated theatre room is not perfectly symmetric which leads to some timbre differences between speakers.
Best regards,
Christian
Looks like a great tool, I’ve found anecdotally with manual EQ tuned by ear, that often when you cut the midbass, the lower bass has better performance. Which may explain that boost you observed.
My theory is that since all bass including the midbass takes a significant amount of energy, cutting some of it provides more headroom for the lower end. While also reducing distortions from the driver doing less.
I’ve used this technique in nearly every system I’ve had, and I consistently get smoother deeper bass as a result. It really lifts that -6db point.
Basically you boost the lowest eq band, and then cut the second lowest. Typically on my EQ’s in which I find 5 bands ideal. The lowest 30hz band I set at 7/10 (5/10 being middle) then the second lowest usually 250hz, I cut way down to 2/10. Then the remaining 1khz at 5/10 3.5k also at 5/10, and the highest 10khz depends on the sibilance of the system, but usually I cut it too as a matter of preference.
I find FM radio hiss to dwell in the 10khz band, so cutting it has a huge impact on the noise floor. People may roll their eyes at FM but my local station doesn’t have adds, plays records and has an analogue transmitter, so it’s all analogue baby ha ha ha but mostly I like FM because it’s instantly on.
Shoutout to 96khz sampling rate for the room correction ;) It may not be 24bit 192khz, but then again most streaming libraries are still CD quality.
Thanks, using your info ear tuned my bass and had an improve low frequency response. Not as a good as using equipment but a lot easier and cheaper.
Hi Gene. Thanks for that, it was quite informative. One question though - when I run ypaou more than once (in different listening positions as you indicated) does the calibration mix each of those readings, and if so, how do we start from scratch? By the way, I too would prefer less interference from all the gadgetry when listening to music. Nothing seems to beat a (fairly) straight line from the song to the speakers!
I use the 'Extra Bass" feature for my 2.1 setup, and I enjoy it with my Kef LS50M; my speakers are set to the "Pass-through" setting.
I have the 10 inch models and they rock. Can't imagine what this feels like😮😀
I bought a RX-A3080 two years ago and ran the Auto Calibration and it was disastrous! It set my 7 bed layer and 2 height speakers as Large with the crossover at 40Hz, with the distances way off, and the levels all over the place... so I just bought SPL meter and set everything myself and the results were way better. Needless to say I did not use the EQ at all, because of how bad the Calibration was.
U r right
Great video, Gene!
I would like to see a comparison with a Dirac Live / Audissey unit.
I recently bought an Onkyo AV Receiver, and all of those who didn't support Dirac Live were immediately excluded from my shopping list.
While I don't disagree that with great loudspeakers and in a good sounding room correcting mid/high frequencies can be detrimental (even with a less than "perfect" speaker, it may have the kind of sound that the listener loves), I believe that achieving those conditions is rarely easy. 😉
I kind of have it (I stopped half way), but aí found out that I'd rather have a greater balance between sound and aesthetics (that's where good room correction software comes in). 😉
Most high end monitors (which measure great on anechoic chambers on several fronts) include DSP with room calibration, because it's a proven fact that every studio sounds different from each other - no matter how good the sound treatment is, and using the same monitor make and models.
Some of the Atmos tracks that you hear were likely mixed on monitoring systems with room correction, so it doesn't "shock me" if I have to make the same thing on a regular living room. 🙂
These AVRs are still consumer products (not professional ones), and today, they're able to do things (sound wise) that were nearly impossible not that long ago. 😉
It's great to know that Yamaha is stepping up their game in the room correction side of things, but comparing it with the current references in room correction software seems a bit unavoidable to me.
Thank you. 🙂
Kudos to Yamaha i have a 7 yo Aventage and they still update it here and there. Some site has a guide with tips on running these RC softwares, forget the name but it's like $10, I haven't gotten to trying it.
Hi Gene, thanks for these measurements! - Have you tried YPAO natrual instead of flat? I wonder if this tweaks the LF into a similar direction to what you have done with your manual correction?
Hi! I was hoping you could cover firmware updates 1.59 and 1.65 which added Auro 3D and 4K/120 respectively. Thanks!
With my older RX-A3060, I only let the YPAO EQ my main speakers, as I have a separate subwoofer EQ device (a DSPeaker Anti-Mode 8033.)
What I do is do the YPAO setup with no sub configured (just turn it off.) Then when it's finished, do the setup on the Anti-Mode, then just enable the sub on the Yamaha and set the level correctly.
Thanks for the video Gene! I don't even own a Yamaha receiver and yet, I watched the entire video! Go figure! 😂
Gene, do you run the Yamaha in straight mode for DSP when taking your measurements? Always struggle with the correct setting there. Thanks. Keep up the great content!
I just found the Yamaha a6a Yamaha Factory refurbished for $1,200. Comes with a 3-year warranty and is in perfect condition. I'm upgrading from a Yamaha 3070. Very excited for the new base features since I have two subwoofers.
Hi Gene, have been watching your videos for years but had a break for a little while and then just found your channel again. What happened to Hugo?. Your honesty and genuine product and technical insights are inspiring. I am a huge Yamaha and Kilpsch fan and I'm glad to see you rate these products pretty highly most of the time you come to review something. Keep up the great work.
I have experienced an ARC issue with quick sound drop outs with my Yamaha receiver that seems to come and go every few months. Streaming apps using bitstream usually DD+ using the pass through. I have swapped the TV several times and the issue always seems to come back around after a few months. I wonder if you have ever experienced or had this issue.
Hugo was mistaken as a football at the Superbowl and was punted into the phantom zone and hasn't been heard from since.
Try replacing your HDMI cables to see if it fixing your ARC issue. There is also a different HDMI mode on Yamaha AVRs you can try in the advanced set up.
hi, great vid and been following youre channel and advice for years. A question? this new ypao, will my 2060 support this to? /J
Hey gene. Do you have a video on how to manually adjust to fix the bass? I have a Yamaha a8a and would love to learn how to do it. Thanks for this video
Finally was able to buy an A8A a few weeks ago, and ran the basic YPAO once with an all-SVS 7.1.4 speaker setup. Started going through my 4K with Atmos blu-rays and loved the sound. Planning to raise the L-R towers a little and will run YPAO again. I don't really have the time to get into manual tweaking, so I may not be getting the ultimate audio (but happy with what I have now). (My old 55-pound Onkyo sounded as good with 5.1 and 7.1 lossless but would not do Atmos nor would it pass HDR. Atmos does make a difference. )
What does Yamaha show when the correction is completed? Does it show compensation EQ like the Denon avr's?
@@fieldcar Didn't show anything. I just clicked "SAVE" when it was done and that was it, that I recall. Certainly nothing that stuck in my memory.
@@Chris21709 thanks for letting me know. My dad needs an avr and the onkyos with Dirac live are impossible to find and he doesn't really care much about techie features as long as it does the job.
I just picked up a brand new A8A for 2500. Planning to use it in a 7.1.4 setup in my large 700sq ft open floor living space, that has windows and 9 ft ceilings. I am hoping that this YPAO correction software does the job. I keep getting told to sell this Yamaha and get a Denon 4800 which is the new generation that just come out, the units should ship next month. It has Audyssey and in a future update will have Dirac. It also allows you to shut down each amp channel. I'm guessing that allows it to reserve all power for other channels. Unlike our Yamaha that when you use preouts I'm being told the remaining onboard channels do not get the extra power in the amp.
So anyway I got an amazing deal and want this unit to work. Just wanted to get your thoughts on your unit, if you've had any issues at all, any arguments on why I should keep this unit, etc.
@@LichaelMewis The sound has been really good. I don't use any of the processing-just the straight signal from my Oppo 4K blu-ray player. There was a glitch in receiver recognizing the HDMI input recently, but that quickly resolved. I moved the cable to another input, and then back again. Not sure what happened. I have too many other things keeping me busy to worry so much about whether something else would work better. 77" LG OLED C1 + the Yamaha make my movie experience exceptional.
Ya know what I like about the Yamaha receivers I’ve had. The reverb DSP modes like hall, arena, etc. I really honestly enjoyed playing with those during my listening, and I also miss orange as an accent color.
I don’t know why orange went out of vogue, maybe a toxicity thing killed by Rohs compliance, which I can totally sympathize with as being important for all of us. Blue was an elusive color for a while, so maybe just the fact that the blue led was invented later than other leds is why it became the defacto new cutting edge color. Maybe some stylistic synergy with Blu-Rays too. But blue always strikes me as too intense, I don’t like it. The blue/green “Midori” color of yesteryear’s phosphorescent displays was nice, but something about leds is just very harsh in the blue spectrum, it’s almost like UV. If we could bring back the warmth of orange, I would be so down.
Thanks for the video.
Do you have measurements made with REW?
Can you put the .mdat file?
It is simple curiosity to see the acoustics of the room.
Written with translator.
Greetings
Any chance they'll retrofit this into the RX-A3070? I'm basically happy with my setup, and not about to buy a new AVR just for the improved YPAO. I've never trusted room correction for channel levels for the rear and overhead channels, which I tweak by ear to match the other channels, since the ceiling-aimed mike misleads the automation into thinking those channels are louder than I hear them.
Gene not sure if you ever covered this. How do i set LPF for LFE/Subwoofer channel on Yamaha. Yamaha only has one crossover setting which is HPF for speakers. Onkyo/Denon seem to have a separate crossover setting for LFE
Do you guys think it would be possible to review/test the emotiva basx mc1? I've heard good things about this processor and would like to see your opinion of it.
Hi Gene ... This was very helpful and my room has never sounded better. By the way, I am enjoying my A6A a lot (hours each day). Getting one was well worth the wait. What do you understand about the Surround AI option? I am loving it. My Apple Music streaming sounds fantastic in Surround AI. It really centers the music well, while delivering a huge sound stage. (I have a small/medium room with a 5.2.4 configuration).
Hey 👋 there. I'm currently Debate on getting the yamaha a6a/ Denon 4700h or marantz SR6015
@@joelkuznetsov2826 Hey Joel... I am a Yamaha fan due to their sound. I am very happy with the A6A, with my 5.2.4 setup. Have not tried the other AVRs you mentioned.
@@soundisfun2238 thx for reply
Good video. Pl suggest old YAPO will work in case of furniture room or it work in empty room. Pl reply.
Hello,
I have an A4A and have it setup with a 4.1 configuration: One RSL Speedwoofer, two front JBL Studio 230's, and two rear JBL 306p mkiis. When running YPAO it marked both pairs of speakers as "large" and set a -10db level for the sub. Now the sub doesn't kick on unless I have my volume cranked to unreasonable levels.
It seems YPAO got the parametric EQ correct as well as the distances (including the delay from the wireless SVS transmitter I'm using for the rears) but I want to actually hear my subwoofer at normal listening levels. Do you recommend manually setting my speakers to small or using extra bass with the YPAO Flat curve?
One thing to keep in mind when doing manual EQ is, that as soon as you add more than on sub, things get very complicated. Manual EQ for two subs is doable, but I found it to be more trial and error than anything else.
That being said...I am starting to get a bit frisky...have been running my Denon X6700 for a few years now and was finally happy with the auto-eq after Audyssey provided the MultEQ-X addition, and am very unsure where to go from here. AVRs have become even more expensive these days, and there really doesn't appear to be much ou there that is actually improved. The Denon 6800 doesn't offer anything that the 6700 doesn't already have, apart from more stable HDMI 2.1 and the A8A has been on the market for a while now and I don't know how much support in terms of Updates it is going to get.
I really liked Surround:AI on the RX-A3080 but felt that Yamaha didn't really spend much effort on improving it after the initial launch...
I just bought a second hand RX A3060 and updated firmware. It has peq's on all channel including subs down to 15.6Hz. So it doesnt even have to be newest model, just need latest firmware, right? All channel peq means we even dont need minidsp to tweet most on subwoofers. Right? I have two subs. Thanks
So units prior to the V6, YPAO does NOT work properly? Just picked up a lightly used RX-V675. Would the YPAO processing on it be problematic?
Anyone who can tell how big sound difference is there between A2A up to A8A. What can you expect from the different receivers in the aventage series?
Any word on if this new version of ypoa will come to previous yamaha models?
I would be very surprised if it did.
It could but for a price. I wouldn't mind paying for it if it comes for a reasonable price.
@@musaedalfraih4682 It couldn't if the hardware can't support it, which I'm guessing it can't.
Hey Gene. I have Yamaha Aventage RX-A4A.
I have enabled the Extra Bass feature and love it. But….
Can you advise what the “Enhancer” option does?
Enhancer is a fancy compressor that restores HF and LF for bad recordings.
Don’t use the enhancer in a HiFi rig. Only use it on snap crappy speakers. I have both a HiFi and a crappy rig so speaking from experience!
I did YPAO on my R-N800A + Dali Zensor7 + REL T7/i and I'm totally disappointed. Most of the bass is gone! The sub is barely audible. That's not what I bought an expensive sub for. When I remove the sub and just use the main spekers, it occurs the bass is gone too. When I flip between the YPAO mode on and off, I clearly hear the Dali operate with MUCH less bass with YPAO on. Can someone explain why?
does anyone know how to migrate YPAO to REW? Has Gene already addressed that?
Dear Gene, I have a Yamaha RX-A2050. Did you have any experience with that receiver? Does YPAO work bad on that?
So now the AccuEQ, AccuReflex and subEQ from Onkyo is the least popular room correction ?
I've got a bunch of Triad Bronze speakers hooked up to a RX-A4A. When I run YPAO, it sometimes marks most of the speakers as large. So afterwards I go to the configuration and mark them all as small, with a 80Hz crossover. Is that going to mess up the YPAO calibration at all? Will the overall room bass levels be right?
Не делай этого, ямаха знает что ей делать лучше тебя
what level of integrated/stereo amplifier in the yamaha lineup would be needed to sound better than the a6a/a8a for 2 channel music performance?
thanks
Hi Audioholics, would love to hear anything else to the intro dubstep thing. Thank you with kind regards.
I have a question. As my speakers are about 3 feet away from me, how far should I move the mic from the center if I'm the only one with a single chair? About 1 foot away from the center? I have a computer with a TV close to me. My TV is arm-mounted and it mounts to my desk. My 42" TV is about a couple of inches away from my right eye and I'm blind in my left eye. And yeah even though I use a full-screen magnifier, I can see well enough to operate my home theater equipment. I only have just a 4.1 surround sound system and my Denon X3400H downmixes 5.1 to 4.1. It just simply sends center channel to my JBL A180 floorstanding speakers (recently purchased). I have an Insignia NS-B2111 speakers for surrounds (2008-ish) and Klipsch RP-1000SW subwoofer. I'm planning on replacing my Insignia speakers with JBL Stage A130 in order to match with my Stage A180 speakers. Back in 2015 or 2016, I once had my Polk T50 floorstanding speakers to replace my front NS-B2111 speakers. So it's all part of my home theater journey.
I had to set my floorstanding speakers' crossover frequency at 80Hz because when I watch Tomorrowland where Frank Walker drops Athena down to the big sphere "monitor" (I apologize for the spoilers), the explosion sounded like pops or distortion at reference volume, so I had to set the crossover at 80Hz and the pops are gone. So much for my floorstanding speakers at 40Hz or 60Hz... Oh, well. But the movie sounds great at reference anyway. I just need to get me a dedicated 2-channel amp for my front speakers that are rated at 6 ohms. Of course, I did look for impedence graphs online and I have see some frequencies drop below 5 ohms around 150hz or so which is a bit concerning for me, but no problems so far.
Thanks for the video about Yamaha's YPAO. I might check out Onkyo TX-RZ50 with Onkyo Accu EQ or DIRAC although I do want an AVR receiver that sacrifices features for sound quality. I just don't have a need for streaming services built into the receiver. My Linux computer is my "network streamer." :)
has anyone attempted to do a comparison between the setup mics of different models and even brands?
Can you tell us if this test was done on the latest firmware or from a stock RX-A6A? I have an A2A and I'm wondering if I would have similar results.
Does the a2a have the new feature like the a6a as well?
Interesting, but I just set up a Yamaha RX-V585. Does YPOA work well with that model?
Hi. How does the latest ypao compare to dirac/ anthem arc? Tanks.
+1
🧬 Gene, I have a 5200 pre-pro (like your former self). Do you know if the 5200 can also do these?
I'd like to know the same for the 5100, if you find out the answer.
How does YPAO on the latest RX A series compare to the previous generation, A2080/A3080? Is incrementally better or was there an algorithm change that took place.
Hey Gene, have you done a similar video to show what Anthem ARC Genesis did to your in-room response with the MRX740 (or 1140)? I'm considering the 740 vs the Denon 6700H and I see a lot of rave reviews for ARC Genesis over Audyssey, but it would be kind of cool to see REW before/after graphs.
Yep it''s coming.
How would you compare YPAO vs Anthem Arc? I have an MRX 720 and Arc is FABULOUS. But I’ve never owned a Yamaha.
Stay tuned. I just tested ARC as well. Love it.
Hi Gene I was lately considering about replacing my onkyo TX-NR686 model to the Yamaha a6a and Pairing my Polk audio signature series with the Yamaha a6a since I have had the onkyo 686 for about 4 year’s now. I wonder I will hear a difference in the Yamahas sound instead of the onkyos since I owned there products for a long time
Hi @natedog1738. We replaced an onkyo (about 8 years old) with an A4A for the same reasons about 6 months ago and could not be happier. It sounds way better, and my wife keeps commenting on how good that new amp is :-)
@@paulypaulypauly8011 the way gene said that when you set your speakers to small your front speakers will sound like towers not satellite speakers. That had me happy that he said that.
I knew it !!!!!
Mr Gene what do you do for more mid range and highs would you use eq for that
Yes but low shelving filters only.
... do yamaha ever update the firmware to improve ypao on previous models? might be wishful thinking but my a-2080 is still pretty new to me..
Typically no, unfortunately
It this update for the v6a
Now if Only they would update YPAO on the 2080
Got it its applicable for rxa850??
Now...if Yamaha offered more Channels (for 7.2.6) and put in the needed effort to optimise Surround:AI my next AVR just might be a Yamaha again. But my Denon X6700 with Multeq-X is doing pretty well just now...
I'll have to check, but I think the A6A will support 7.2.6 with 2 external amplifiers channels attatched.
@@richarddortch6122 a6a only 11 channel with 2 external amplifiers channels
@@junior-OG I think you may be right.
I thought the A8A could do 13, but it's limited to 11 as well.
I remembered Yamaha saying something about the A6 and A8 having the same capabilities when external amplification was involved.
Was this test of room correction only done on a 2 channel listening scenario?
Yes that is the best way to easily discern differences. Multi-ch tends to confuse and mask the senses so you can't discern the benefits/detriments as easily.
Has anyone upgraded from the A3080 to A6A or A8A? Notice any improvement on the over all sound?
yep went from 3080 to 8a, insane difference , totally changed how my speakers perform, bass to much more, head room for miles
@@teawanga Are you using the internal amp for your mains? I have a parasound external for mine so I don't really take advantage of the power from the AVR. For music was sound more full and dynamic?
@@toddlewis6683 the difference is frightening how good it is it’s just so much better mind you it’s a lot more money it’s transformed by speakers
@@teawanga I just picked up a new A8A for a steal, $2500. I haven't opened it yet. I'm being told by several people to return it and get the Denon 4800 when it comes out next month. The reason are two: 1) Better room correction with Audyssey built in and Dirac coming in a future purchasable update. And 2) You can shut down individual channels of the onboard amp in order to utilize pre outs and an external amp to power them. I don't know what to do...
@@LichaelMewis to be honest I’m loving mine the power is incredible loads of headroom couldn’t be happier with it
Can this version drive two subs independently?
Yes, My A6A is set for R+L Subwoofer and YPAO sweeps them separately.
You can also set Mono Subwoofer.
@@richarddortch6122 that's extremely hot, i didn't know it. thanks
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i set mine up manually ypao sounded like crap
But there are far better room correction formats.
Yamma-ha 😂
Yamaha's recievers of old like the RX series like Z9, Z11 and RX V1 we're behemoths, l owned and enjoyed the RX V1 for many years and just retired it after 15 plus years and still working now moved to separates only because the power rating no longer across all channels with newer models sad Yamaha needs to go back to what made Yamaha recievers famous for power, build, and value lost your way Yamaha sorry.
Lots of problems. One problem with EQ in general is that given system design EQ alters both the direct and reflected sound at the same time. Most modern speakers really have miserable off axis treble response so the top octave or two gives almost no reflections. Pulling speakers away from walls and other reflecting surfaces reduces mid frequency reflections to compensate but the price for narrowly focused high frequencies is that as soon as you move off axis the high frequencies even directly from the speaker fall off drastically. This is why you need to adjust your toe in with a micrometer and sit at a sweet spot. No musical instruments propagate sound this way. This is done deliberately to improve "imaging' and "sound stage" at the cost of tonal accuracy.
Bass is always a problem. Roy Alison and Dr. Floyd Toole did a lot of research on how bass couples to rooms and Alison also did a lot of research on eliminating the typical suckout at around 200 hz. These graphs in this posting are not the typical smoothed out responses but show much more detail. The result is what looks very much like a great deal of comb filtering with the span between peaks and dips as great as 15 db.
Finally there's the problem of differences in spectral balance of bass in recordings. Look at the low frequency curves in the Fletcher Munson graphs.
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The scale on the left is actual loudness. The scale on the bottom is frequency. The curves show perceived equal loudness as a function of actual loudness at different frequencies. Notice how the curves are squashed together at low frequencies. What this means is that up until the lowest curve which is the threshold of sound, the softest you can hear, you hear nothing. Then once you get there each small incremental increase in real loudness has a very large change in perception of loudness compared to higher frequencies. This is why I find it necessary to adjust the bass for each individual recording very carefully to keep the spectral balance realistic. My experience is that the spectral balance of recordings at all frequencies is all over the map from one recording to another. This is why the first thing my electronics has to do is reconcile the difference between the spectral balance of each recording with the FR of my sound system.
One last observation. If you look at the curves that extend to 20 khz such as those at the top left be aware that the lowest curve is the softest sound you can hear at each frequency and the top curve is the threshold of pain where sound is so loud you experience it as pain, not sound. At 20 khz all of the curves go straight up so that the threshold of hearing crosses the threshold of pain so anyone who says they can hear anything above 20 khz, .... well just show them these graphs. So much for HD. BTW, MQA violates the Shannon Nyquist criteria by 400 percent. It's a solution that doesn't work for a problem that doesn't exist.
Yeah that's cool and all...but have you ever listened to Bose? I've never heard of this mr.tool guy, but Bose had Amar. And Amar argued that the best measure of audio quality is the listener's perception. Put that in your pipe and smoke it
@@sporegazm I actually own a pair of original Bose 901s among the many speaker systems I have. I bought them before I became a critical listener and I liked them. Then I put them away for several decades, became a critical listener and listened to them again. This time I didn't like them anymore. Being an engineer and curious about everything I had to know why I didn't like them and what if anything I could do about it. It took me four weeks to fix the bass and four years to fix the treble. It's now a two way biamplified system with 6 tweeters per channel. Like all of my systems it has to be designed and adjusted to the spot in the room it will occupy and also for each recording. It's now a full range system that works extremely well. Nevertheless I haven't heard them in over 4 years. I'm glued to my main ststem, one I invented, patented, and for me the best that exists. BTW I've never worked in this industry. I was cut out for far more interesting challenges.
@@markfischer3626 lol i was just trolling. Good answer. Bose 901's are legendary for their moment in history.
Your ears when you enjoyed them weren't wrong and your ears when you didn't enjoy them anymore also weren't wrong. Sound and the enjoyment of sound is neat that way 😉😃
The original Bose 901 was an acoustic suspension design using 9 30 watt each acoustic suspension drivers. It had 3 serious frequency response flaws, two in the bass and one in the treble. No highs, no lows (except at ear shattering loudness.) There is a 7 db broad rise at about 250 hz. Bose said he wanted the system resonance frequency to be above 180 hz where he said phase shift at resonance would become inaudible (he got that wrong., it's not audible below 180 hz if Q is at critical damping.) But the system was underdamped. The output below resonance falls at 12 db per octave reaching the 1 khz output at around 95 hz and keeps falling but the equalizer only boosts output at 6 db per octave, not nearly enough. An extra 6db per octave boost flattens the response but power required to reach full potential jumps to 600 to 1000 wpc. Since the system is only rated at 270 wpc, four pairs in parallel driven by a Crown 2502 drive core amp would solve that problem, otherwise the full potential cannot be realized but deep bass to 40 hz will not overload my 138 wpc receiver. THD of the speaker at 30 hz is 10 percent which isn't bad (this is a critical measurement they don't publish usually.) Original AR1W and its derivatives by comparison was 5% which is why it became the world standard and eventually was reduced to 1%. It was so accurate medical schools used it to demonstrate different heart sounds to students.
The treble was the hard part. It was not expensive but it was difficult to get it right. A directional array of 6 3/8" poly tweeters, one forward, three back and two upfiring are crossed over with a single pole (6db per octave) capacitor at around 9 khz. They're driven by a separate 100 wpc receiver with its own equalizer so it's loafing. It's remarkable how little sound is needed in the top octave but every detail of it is critical. (I have exceptionally tough standards and my reference is live classical music. I do not want a Steinway piano to sound like a Baldwin or visa versa. and I have one Steinway and two Baldwins.) While these speakers can play any kind of music, the best a two channel system can do convincingly is to reproduce music of soloists and small ensembles as they would be heard in your listening room. Recreating concert hall acoustics is a much more complicated problem which I also solved and have been experimenting with for nearly 50 years. That's much more fun than 2 channel stereo.
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Finally lol
Still too expensive for the receiver, you get much better value with Denon
I waffled back and fourth between Denon and the A6A.
The deal killer for ME was the A6A has balanced outputs for the Front R&L.
Otherwise, Denon/Marantz is a REALLY compelling option.
@@richarddortch6122 whats the point of XLR if SINAD is worse on yamha?
@@sneikiusas SINAD is worse but it's almost 4x the voltage.
I argue you'd never realistically run your A6A flat out into a balanced monoblock amp.
It's weird that YPAO sucks so much. I'd expect a company like Yamaha that absolutely dominates the recording and music production industry would know better.
Ypao is trash. Yamaha has went downhill for the past 20 years
And Bon Scott died 40 years ago.
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Is this same ypao version on the A3080?
no
Any chance this ypao version will be available for RX-A3080 as in firmware update?
@@toddlewis6683 the a3080 is from 2018 i dont think its gonna receive any new update
@@junior-OG I figured. They are for sure supporting the new series and probably have the next generation in development now
@@toddlewis6683 for sure