so asking a leg rider, can you counter this roll with a guillotine? it looks like you should be able to but I'm not sure. I've done a little leg riding, but not much so its hard for me to say.
@@jajsamurai i don’t think i could pull it off to be honest i don’t really like to cross body ride and reach tho i’ll instead leg ride like normal from a starting position and then plant my free foot on the back of my opponents foot opposite of the leg ride and spread them out to the floor works great then just power half the crap out of them till they turn
This is actually one of the biggest blind spots in the sport. Too few coaches are capable or willing to encourage leg riding, which means too many wrestlers don't know how to do it, or how to counter it, or how to counter the counters. I've watched national caliber HS wrestlers demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of the position. It's a reality that is ripe for a wise coach to exploit.
@@chicagoanuntilchicagoends1646 I agree completely. Cross body leg riding is much easier to counter. However, too few wrestlers know how to counter leg riding of either style.
Last summer I went completely AWOL and didn’t post any videos at all. Not going to let that happen again this summer. Have another one scheduled for tomorrrow
I was helping out (minimally) at The Citadel's prospect camp the last few days and was hyping your McGee videos to a guy that was built to emulate those techniques. Your's and Kolat's videos are the only YT resources I hype to wrestlers. Many thanks and keep up the excellent work!!!
You’re a life saver man, I’ve completely overhauled and improved my wrestling so much because of your videos. I think I have a shot at doing a good run at state for my senior year and I thank you (especially your fireman videos) for a ton of it
Simple but effective! This is now my favorite counter to the CBR. The only thing I'd add is to anticipate how to get an NF exposure or fall by working out the most likely finishing positions.
A modified grandby. The grandby boys teach reversals like this. The point of the move is to shift your weight around the opponent to pin their hip closest to you, that stops them from coming back around and you can take top position.
i know this works bc i use it a lot lol. Like when you leg ride you tend to be a lot higher on the hips meaning there’s more pressure to your arms. But this also means that there a roll or granny loaded up.
I call this the superman roll. I think it came from Bret Maughn of NDSU. You can see the one NDSU guy do it 100% correctly. All the others isn't 100% right but it still works if they like the leg in. Key to not get superman rolled is to not figure four or lock the leg down. You need to keep the foot to the mat so it doesn't pull you with the roll. 100% works if they trying to lock the leg down. I do it none stop to anyone who puts a leg in. Robb did a really good one too. Never seen it down with the hand held but he had to do that since the leg wasn't locked in. No one ever did that so always cool to see new counters to old tricks. I mean Robb got that hand in a position about kick move would work. Surprised he was able to get it there so easy.
if leg man goes for splaydle, and turns to his hips on that roll....then there is no roll thru. The leg escape is based on establishing a height position advatage over the leg man as well.
Agree a good counter to the cross body. Most leggers use a short leg these days and this is less effective against a short leg with power half of simple hug ride.
This is interesting... the only reason this move really works at all is because of the element of surprise. The top wrestler is actually not in any trouble at all if they keep the leg in and continue to attack across the body from underneath. In fact, many cross-body-leg-riders would actually initiate this exact roll in the pursuit of a guillotine. What O'Malley is doing is surprising them enough with the roll that he is able to relieve the pressure on his spine/hips and step out of the leg. As an aside, cross-body leg riding is way less effective for precisely the reason above. You are not able to generate the same kind of pressure on your opponents hips/spine, and someone who is good at countering the legs would way rather have someone on top who is riding cross-body. Compare these guys in the video to what Mitch Clark does in the NCAA finals in 98.
"this exact roll in the pursuit of a guillotine" thats what I was wondering too. can the leg rider counter this roll with a guillotine? From what I can see he should be able to as long as he keeps the far arm and takes the head. then he can just lock it in and tighten it down for the pin. But I'm not sure about that. In all the examples it looks like the far arm gets loose very quickly, and so I'm not sure telling the leg rider to "keep the arm" is workable advice. maybe they cant.
@@jajsamurai Yes and no. I would say that it really will be about which wrestler is better anticipating what his opponent is up to. If the top guy is worth his salt as a leg rider, he will be keeping a lot of pressure with the leg (of course, if he is doing this, he won't be riding cross-body!) and won't be susceptible to the roll in the first place. This is actually one of the biggest blind spots in the sport. Too few coaches are capable or willing to encourage leg riding, which means too many wrestlers don't know how to do it, or how to counter it, or how to counter the counters. I've watched national caliber HS wrestlers demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of the position.
This move will work on a crossbody leg ride. If a person does a shallow boot leg ride , ie Ridge Lovett or Logan Stieber, to roll would be falling into a trap of sort because they lose the leverage. As a coach be careful saying leg comes in do this to defend.
How does he get his leg out each time and get enough weight over the leg rider? It seems like the leg rider missed the hook with their ankle... but is he doing something with his leg to avoid being hooked by the leg rider's ankle/foot? seems like he's spreading his legs out as far as they can go to avoid the ankle/foot hooking his leg... any thoughts?
Found it! He's keeping his leg that is being road straight when he rolls. He can do this because, in college, they teach you to not hook your ankle to their leg... TLDR: not sure why they always teach it that way, but this is an excellent exploit for the short-leg riders (even with a figure 4, short-leg rids are not as good!!!!).
@@zachlovescats95 at 0:51 He had access to the right leg with his arms, and, drop the 4, just hook it, then he can control the twist easily and have him on his back.
I don't think these leg riders are tensioning the ridden leg properly. Their weight is too far forward. Its like they are stuck between a cross body and a power leg ride
Poor counter moves by the leg riders here, a good leg rider welcomes this move and either stops it part way or re-rolls through under the posted arm. Maybe I’ll make a video on how to counter this move because leg riders should be comfortable rolling indefinitely both directions, int he situation with Alirez he could have reached up for a cross face with his left arm.
as a leg rider please do not watch this video
Finally… time to end you guys
so asking a leg rider, can you counter this roll with a guillotine? it looks like you should be able to but I'm not sure. I've done a little leg riding, but not much so its hard for me to say.
@@jajsamurai i don’t think i could pull it off to be honest i don’t really like to cross body ride and reach tho i’ll instead leg ride like normal from a starting position and then plant my free foot on the back of my opponents foot opposite of the leg ride and spread them out to the floor works great then just power half the crap out of them till they turn
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@@laydenyump3619Yeah not gonna work. We are immortal
This is actually one of the biggest blind spots in the sport. Too few coaches are capable or willing to encourage leg riding, which means too many wrestlers don't know how to do it, or how to counter it, or how to counter the counters. I've watched national caliber HS wrestlers demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of the position. It's a reality that is ripe for a wise coach to exploit.
I find the short leg series is a better series that is safer for leg riders and leads to more points rather than the cross body series
@@chicagoanuntilchicagoends1646 I agree completely. Cross body leg riding is much easier to counter. However, too few wrestlers know how to counter leg riding of either style.
Last summer I went completely AWOL and didn’t post any videos at all. Not going to let that happen again this summer. Have another one scheduled for tomorrrow
I was helping out (minimally) at The Citadel's prospect camp the last few days and was hyping your McGee videos to a guy that was built to emulate those techniques.
Your's and Kolat's videos are the only YT resources I hype to wrestlers.
Many thanks and keep up the excellent work!!!
You’re a life saver man, I’ve completely overhauled and improved my wrestling so much because of your videos. I think I have a shot at doing a good run at state for my senior year and I thank you (especially your fireman videos) for a ton of it
Love your breakdowns, keep up the grind!!
Man, top notch work as always. Thank you so much 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Simple but effective!
This is now my favorite counter to the CBR.
The only thing I'd add is to anticipate how to get an NF exposure or fall by working out the most likely finishing positions.
man if I had learned this in high school, I would have been much better equipped versus leg riders. Thanks for the content!
Great stuff, thanks!
Another great video from what has become my favorite wrestling channel
A modified grandby. The grandby boys teach reversals like this. The point of the move is to shift your weight around the opponent to pin their hip closest to you, that stops them from coming back around and you can take top position.
I like how it works for CBR and you can also force it by passing the hand over your head. Nice lesson.
i know this works bc i use it a lot lol. Like when you leg ride you tend to be a lot higher on the hips meaning there’s more pressure to your arms. But this also means that there a roll or granny loaded up.
I call this the superman roll. I think it came from Bret Maughn of NDSU. You can see the one NDSU guy do it 100% correctly. All the others isn't 100% right but it still works if they like the leg in. Key to not get superman rolled is to not figure four or lock the leg down. You need to keep the foot to the mat so it doesn't pull you with the roll. 100% works if they trying to lock the leg down. I do it none stop to anyone who puts a leg in. Robb did a really good one too. Never seen it down with the hand held but he had to do that since the leg wasn't locked in. No one ever did that so always cool to see new counters to old tricks. I mean Robb got that hand in a position about kick move would work. Surprised he was able to get it there so easy.
Great breakdowns bro. Keep grinding
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Incredible
Keep the videos coming.
Will do. Have another one posting tomorrow
if leg man goes for splaydle, and turns to his hips on that roll....then there is no roll thru. The leg escape is based on establishing a height position advatage over the leg man as well.
I just got the shat rode out of me an hour ago perfect timing 👍🏻
Agree a good counter to the cross body. Most leggers use a short leg these days and this is less effective against a short leg with power half of simple hug ride.
What is a short leg?
I’ve probably seen it, but don’t know name.
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I feel like you’re rolling right into a spladle trying this
You’ll have to try it in the practice room to get a feel for it, but you won’t roll into a spladle
This is interesting... the only reason this move really works at all is because of the element of surprise. The top wrestler is actually not in any trouble at all if they keep the leg in and continue to attack across the body from underneath. In fact, many cross-body-leg-riders would actually initiate this exact roll in the pursuit of a guillotine. What O'Malley is doing is surprising them enough with the roll that he is able to relieve the pressure on his spine/hips and step out of the leg.
As an aside, cross-body leg riding is way less effective for precisely the reason above. You are not able to generate the same kind of pressure on your opponents hips/spine, and someone who is good at countering the legs would way rather have someone on top who is riding cross-body. Compare these guys in the video to what Mitch Clark does in the NCAA finals in 98.
"this exact roll in the pursuit of a guillotine"
thats what I was wondering too. can the leg rider counter this roll with a guillotine? From what I can see he should be able to as long as he keeps the far arm and takes the head. then he can just lock it in and tighten it down for the pin. But I'm not sure about that. In all the examples it looks like the far arm gets loose very quickly, and so I'm not sure telling the leg rider to "keep the arm" is workable advice. maybe they cant.
I used to do this roll in high school with a donkey kick at the end. I got a lot of back points with it.
@@jajsamurai Yes and no. I would say that it really will be about which wrestler is better anticipating what his opponent is up to. If the top guy is worth his salt as a leg rider, he will be keeping a lot of pressure with the leg (of course, if he is doing this, he won't be riding cross-body!) and won't be susceptible to the roll in the first place.
This is actually one of the biggest blind spots in the sport. Too few coaches are capable or willing to encourage leg riding, which means too many wrestlers don't know how to do it, or how to counter it, or how to counter the counters. I've watched national caliber HS wrestlers demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of the position.
This move will work on a crossbody leg ride. If a person does a shallow boot leg ride , ie Ridge Lovett or Logan Stieber, to roll would be falling into a trap of sort because they lose the leverage. As a coach be careful saying leg comes in do this to defend.
I start off the video by saying “Today we’re going to be going over a roll-through technique that works specifically against the cross body ride.”
How does he get his leg out each time and get enough weight over the leg rider? It seems like the leg rider missed the hook with their ankle... but is he doing something with his leg to avoid being hooked by the leg rider's ankle/foot? seems like he's spreading his legs out as far as they can go to avoid the ankle/foot hooking his leg... any thoughts?
Found it! He's keeping his leg that is being road straight when he rolls. He can do this because, in college, they teach you to not hook your ankle to their leg... TLDR: not sure why they always teach it that way, but this is an excellent exploit for the short-leg riders (even with a figure 4, short-leg rids are not as good!!!!).
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at the end you kick and switch your hips..i made it to Ca state tourny with this move my junior year down 4 points
that was my third year wrestling
my coach used to yell ..dont let him put the legs in 😁
and tri pod
dude had easy banana split and passed on it.
Timestamp?
@@zachlovescats95 at 0:51 He had access to the right leg with his arms, and, drop the 4, just hook it, then he can control the twist easily and have him on his back.
I don't think these leg riders are tensioning the ridden leg properly. Their weight is too far forward. Its like they are stuck between a cross body and a power leg ride
Poor counter moves by the leg riders here, a good leg rider welcomes this move and either stops it part way or re-rolls through under the posted arm. Maybe I’ll make a video on how to counter this move because leg riders should be comfortable rolling indefinitely both directions, int he situation with Alirez he could have reached up for a cross face with his left arm.
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