The F-15A Underperforms In War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2024
- Players have been asking for the F-15 to be added to War Thunder since the release of Apex Predators a year ago. Now that it's added to the game I had to take it for a spin. Sadly this rendition of the F-15 isn't quite on par with it's real world counterpart but at least it's here.
In this review of the F-15A I cover its quirks, features, and history and I answer whether or not you should grind for this top tier American plane.
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"underperform" *proceed to do a 13G turn without breaking anything*
irl it took 15g+ without breaking after the blackout safety thing
Re: performance
When you say the engines are missing about 20% of their power, this is only partially true. The F-100-PW-100 are "rated" to 23,770 lb of SL thrust wet. However, this rating is achieved using a wide bell nozzle optimized for static thrust. In reality, the installed static thrust of the F-100's with the F-15's variable ramp inlets is about 17,000 lb each in full reheat. This is primarily a function of the area constriction caused by the narrow inlets. However, as the airspeed increases, these inlets begin providing a lot more pressure recovery, resulting in a real thrust of about 33,000 lb each at 800 knots at SL.
In game, we're getting too much thrust at low speed and not quite enough at high speed.
This thrust issue is probably also the root cause of the somewhat low top at altitude. The F-15 with 4 AIM-7's and otherwise clean should be reaching M2.4 on a standard day or M2.5 on a -10C day.
So I’m other words:
Low speed overperforming
High speed underperforming
Topspeed underperforming???
Top speed is correct If you would read All the data guy posted on forum as later f15s were able to fly at mach 2.5
@@krzysztof3813 Top Speed F-15 correct but Su 27 incorrect. Su 27 top speed is 1400 kmh maximum at sea level. And F 15 1450 kmh. Thats why Im grinding Russian Bias
I've tested the F15A in game at 0°C via the dev console and the aircraft was easily able to achieve mach 2.5... or at least I would have said that if the airframe didn't disintegrate at mach 2.40.
I don't believe the F15's engines are over or under performing in game (outside of a 2.5% margin maximum) however I do believe gaijin models the atmosphere and airframe VERY poorly, with the F15 completely losing thrust above 16,000m, and the aircraft's wings combusting when deflecting the rudders and elevators at the same time.
@@miller0734In high altude me to cant reach 2.5 mach. At sea level f 15 top speed correct. Problem is Russian Bias Su 27 flying faster than real life original su 27 top speed 1400 kmh. F 15 have more thrust weight ratio but flying slower than Su 27 its not reality. And Aim 9 m and aim7m not good at top tier F 15 A should take similar aam 3 and faster aim 7 missles. That why Im grinding Russian Bias Su 27 .
The Aim9M is actually best side aspect, not rear aspect.
How its IRCCM works is when it detects flares, it briefly turns off it seekerhead, when it no longer detect flares, it turns back on and reacquires the lock on the jet. To flare it rear aspect, you have to constantly dump countermeasures, and turn very sharply to get out of its seekerhead for when it turns back on. It’s much harder to do this side aspect, because the CMs drop behind your plane, seeing the side of your jet is much easier than seeing it through a ton of CMs or not seeing it at all
I feel a good deal of the problem with F-15's win rate is the players that tend to fly them. Tunnel-visioned players who drain all their speed and don't conserve/employ their weapons properly has led to a fair few times where I finished securing altitude to discover my team was already all dead and had killed but a few enemies. I also felt the thrust loss from F-15, and even tested its performance using the "Streak Eagle" run as a benchmark. Got the takeoff weight perfect too accounting for weight taken out of the plane for the run (~31,000lbs gross takeoff weight). To make a long story short, I did the run to the letter, and the F-15A topped out at 86,000ft before stalling out (11,000ft short of the record) and had a total time of 4 minutes and 17 seconds. I was astounded to see this since that would mean F-15A was 50 seconds slower to 11,000ft below the record. If Gripen is getting its thrust adjusted to historical levels, so should F-15.
Na the problem is just that there’s too many players. If the player base was the problem then the su27 would be having the same problem
@@dontworry2379 Yeah, that assumes idiots are spread evenly across the nations. Which they aren't. While this may be anecdotal, I have noticed a very high discrepancy in retardation between those who fly the F-15 and those who fly the Su-27. Most Flanker pilots I see actually defend missiles or attempt to. While about half the F-15 pilots I see just don't even try, or spam countermeasures to see if that works (it doesn't). F-15 has better RWR, TWR, control authority, and overall maneuverability than Su-27. The only reasons Flanker is consistently stomping right now is the R-27ER (allot of players don't know how to effectively defend it) and R-73 + HMD. F-15 has every other advantage which it appears most F-15 pilots are unaware of how to best use
@@Registered_Simp yes it’s definitely true that a lot of dumber people tend to flock toward the American tree which would also be part of the reason the ambrams sep V2 is doing poorly right now however Russia being one of the big 3 also has its own retards and while it may not be as many there are definitely still a lot and I’ve seen many flanker pilots do some retarded shit. As you said the only thing that’s carrying it is it’s missiles and let’s be honest if everyone played good the flanker would still stomp because of the missiles
@@Registered_Simp the f15 has an advantage in a 1v1 guns only dogfight and energy retention. which does not matter when the match is over within 5 minutes, stop overhyping dogfight performance because especially lacking a hmd it doesn't really matter too much in top tier.
Try this again at the lower altitude records. When I did it, the F-15A is very close to meeting the Streak Eagle's performance benchmarks up to 12km without adjusting its weight. In this sense, its kinematic performance is actually pretty well modeled. I think the problem with the high altitude tests is mostly to do with War Thunder's atmosphere model. No aircraft perform as they should above about 40,000 ft.
the current induced drag model is wonky. This results in a situation where above about 300 knots, you can sustain >20 deg/s on mil power or less.
Well, I've spent a long time on forums, there you can see information about the game's FM and well man, until today the best FM have always been from American planes, the F-14 seems perfect, the F-15, the F -16 too (even I think they should return with its G-limiter, not as it was but in a more balanced way, you can literally do Su 35 maneuvers on Warthunder's F-16 like... what?), everyone arrived perfect, now the Russian and French planes, my God... if you compare them to the version that came out in the game, they are no longer the same... I think the F-15A is not a bad plane, but it came too late to the game to enjoy being an "OP" plane, comparing an F-15A with a Su27 we would all know what would happen, I think only the biases didn't see that
when we compare the mirage 2000 in war thunder vs in DCS its absolutely not the same plane x)
I play air sim and I’ve flown the f15A and it’s not bad at all. The problem is the majority of the player base doesn’t know how to use it properly.
What I've been finding to work really well fuel wise was to bring the two outer pylon drop tanks but only select the minimum 9 minute fuel load. The two give you plenty for getting to where you need to go and right before you start fighting just drop them. You'll now be super light to get in and get out and back to base at least once.
Dunno man historically yeah the f15 is underperforming, however so is the su27, and the grippen. this happens every update, a bad early model of the plane comes in, so as not to totally powercreep everything else instantly, and than a better version comes the update after that. As far as you having a bad time in it, i would personally chalk that up to missile spam at top tier, the flanker does well right now not because its a cracked plane, but because it has a boat load of good missiles. Stop furballing fights in a plane that you think can dogfight, and stay outside the engagement/3rd party. Also maybe don't load bombs and air targets in your rotary and you might have a better time killing players.
Absolutely great advice I don't know why this isn't acknowledged more, because this is exactly what happens
The Su-27 has got some deadly missiles but I hate it's radar. I like the F-15 more than the Su-27. The Gripen on the other hand. Just wait till I get to it's review, but I think that the Gripen C from South Africa is the best plane added this update.
gripen overperform, saab lies about its capabilities, it has no real combat record, it shouldn't be here now and would be balanced if added with Su-30, EF F-15C etc. It's an ufo even after "nerfs"
@@mcohanovyeah we know why it is what it is(because Sweden and UK had no any good top tier planes) but anyway let’s imagine:
Take 21bis, decrease EP from 10000kgf to 9000kgf then increase weight from 9 tons to 12 tons, add canards to give the plane even more drag(=even more speed loss in turns than regular deltas like M2K or 21bis) but shorten the take off length and give the plane ability to be stable at low speeds and then….
artificially remove all the drag and make the plane be able to win rate fight against f-15 and even f-16 and at the same time win 1C fight against Su-27 and mig-29, also make it invulnerable to IR missiles due to low heat signature and 720 flares and you’ll get jas39 in WT
Pretty sure the f-16 outrate the gripen at his optimal speed@@user-jy6cn3jy8g
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Ive had lots of issues with ripping. It doesnt happen when pulling lots of g's like it did on the dev server, instead it happen when rolling, i even ripped under mach 1 which is absurd. No i wasnt pulling and insane maneuvers, i was flying straight, did a roll and my wing tip ripped off causeing me to flatspin.
I noticed theses issues only seem to happen with twin tailed planes. I would bug report it if i had any faith in the forum moderators, but given recent events, im not going to waste my time.
I haven't run into that problem at all. The only way that I've got the F-15 to rip it's wings is by doing dumb maneuvers right after takeoff.
*OADF, LRSSG, 124th Tactical Fighter Squadron, Strider 1, TAC name: Trigger*
also i want to emphasize the fact that the F15 in the current meta is a really good pressure fighter
Can someone explain to me why it's missing 20% of its thrust??? That just doesn't make sense
Su27 needs to be better TBO
probably due to channel loss, same happened to the MiG-29 (it was supposed to have 8000+kgf of AB thrust but gaijin downgraded it to 6000+ kgf AB thrust due to channel loss
it got gajin'd
The F-100-PW-100 are "rated" to 23,770 lb of SL thrust wet. However, this rating is achieved using a wide bell nozzle optimized for static thrust. In reality, the installed static thrust of the F-100's with the F-15's variable ramp inlets is about 17,000 lb each in full reheat. This is primarily a function of the area constriction caused by the narrow inlets. However, as the airspeed increases, these inlets begin providing a lot more pressure recovery, resulting in a real thrust of about 33,000 lb each at 800 knots at SL.
@@MiratesusF15 engine in war thunder don’t have that much channel loss, (compared to the 29 which is normal).
From what I’ve seen it’s overperforming at low speed (should have more channel loss) and underperforms at high speed. FM wise in manual Full real control the plane behave like if it was in damping which is strange considering F15A has no FBW and worse FCS than the early MiG-29
Lmao 5:57, an FGR.2 (11.3 br rating btw with AIM-9Gs) playing against AIM-9Ms and R-73s, seems balanced
JA-37D with the same skyflash except it's a better flight model with aim-9L's instead of 9G at the same br
Or the JA-37C with skyflash, aim-9J, and that better flight model at 11.0
Your right. It’s missing pulse lasers
I started flying F-16C and F-15A just before xmass. Both with atrocious winrates compared to 55-56% I have in other top tier jets. Its US teams, not planes.
I have a kill ratio of 2.5 per death and a 46% winrate with the f16c. Definetly the teams. Alot of braindead us mains
@@martenkalzen3284 yeah, 61% in 15j and 38% in 15a now... GG us teams...
@@JohnyPhate I have sub 50% on all US top tiers and like 55%+ in soviet
The best f15 review so far
Just a minor correction. I do not know where you got the idea the f16 was to replace the f15 but to my knowledge thats completely false. The f-16 is part of America's high low mix where you get a expensive ultra high tech plane in this case the f-15 and a low cost more often multirole aircraft in this case the f-16. Its a compliment to the f-15's capabilities while excelling in its own right not a replacement.
I shouldn't have said replacement since obviously they're both still in use. I was more trying to convey that the F-16 exists as it is because it's not suppose to be as good as the the F-15.
@@ChipsAhoyMcCoyah I understand just try to be more specific with the wording since we don't wanna give people the wrong idea about aircraft.
i use the f15 with only 4 aim 9M and a fuel tank because of how useless the aim 7 still are. i tried many times to use them properly but to me they just feel like extra weight.
Try taking at least two AIM 7M's for headons. What I've been doing to set up enemies is using the AIM 7m purely as the decoy and for them to burn some energy. Fire it off around 5-7km away and when it's about half way there launch a AIM 9M and very likely it ends up with a couple for you. Good luck but yeah..aim7 are working better on F14B and f-16c that's for sure.
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You were looking for me?
Lets just all agree on the fact that, because of all the important features of the plane that are missing, the f16c is currently a better plane overall than the f15.
That will most lightly change in the future but r.n the can do exactly the same things.
F16 is better because the F16 is HEAVILY overperforming especially in AoA
@@teivabaudoin2666 f16 is better because dedicated dogfighters are better the support fighters. The f16 will always be bette then the f15 cuz the f15 is a boat. I ly at huuuuuuge ranges and while the enemy is notching. That's when the f15 is better.
I would even say a f16 a is a better pick then the f15a, but that's a bint of an overstatement.
I love the OADF livery
Not only is it under performing in the engine department. It's being cucked by dedicated hard points. Same goes for the f16. The f16 has it worse with only two radar missiles. The "freedom" of customizing the load out is a joke.
The american f15a is the msip
Which can get ammrams
The F-15 has the same problem that most American planes have in that it is more punishing for bad players. I have done well in the F-15J, but it takes significantly more effort than the Grippen. The F-15 also struggles because it doesn't stand out in any regard. The Su-27 is better for radar missiles and the Grippen is better at IR missiles. The result is that the average player is more likely to lose in the F-15 if they're facing an average player in another top tier plane.
The Gripen is practically a fantasy flight model. Most of the experienced American players aren’t flying the F-15 right now because it doesn’t bring anything to the table the F-16C can’t, while having a less useful radar, still not reaching BVR parity with the Russians (lol), and having the arguably worst stock grind out of all of the other new planes of the patch.
I played 2 games in mine and went back to grinding China so I can have an actually enjoyable experience.
great video, sorry to ask but its that a user made skin?
Yes, it is. Here is the link: live.warthunder.com/post/1091276/en/
Look, the main issues with the F15 are:
1. The aim7m, right now It tracks like dogshit and is very slow, specially It underperforms when compared to the overpowered R27er.
2. The radar, It lacks a TWS mode wich can really be helpful at certain times.
3. It used to break its wings way too easily, but It seems they fixed that, Im not sure still.
4. No stock IRCCM ir guided missiles, unlike many USSR aircraft.
besides the rather low flight performance, I really don't see any problems with the F-15A. I actually enjoy it more than flying the Su-27/J-11. People complain about the radar, but it's better at getting and maintaining a lock than that of the Su-27/J-11. The 9Ms are better IR missiles than the R-73, while obviously the 27ERs are better than the sparrows. I do hope they fix the flight performance though. I don't really see why this jet would be one of the slowest planes at the BR.
The F-15 shouldn't be one of the slowest jets at top tier. Personally I like the R-73 more than the 9M but I also like to be close and the thrust vectoring of the R-73 helps with that.
Real. The Su-27 is so much more sluggish and awkward feeling compared to the F-15
I'm not afraid of the f15c I'm afraid of the f15e
guess we need a mig 25 in the game now
We could get it but I don't think it would preform very well.
@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy i agree it would probably perform like the tornado
Or maybe the F16 came first so that they can copy paste it to other nations
Why don’t we raise a question to the team about the nerfing of F15’s speed? I personally don’t know how to do that.
You would have to have official documentation showing a a certain speed at certain conditions and then send it in as a bug report on the official forums. I can rattle off that the F-15 should be able to reach mach 2.5 and that it should be able to reach 90,000 feet altitude in a little over 3 and a half minutes, and that it should be able to accelerate while flying strait up, but without some well researched documentation that meets Gaijin's arbitrary standards, I can't do anything about it.
@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy well. It says on the web that it reach Mach 1.2 at the deck and Mack 2.5 at higher altitudes. I’m sure gaijin doesn’t have all the aircrafts performing based on a proof/or real document. Most of them are a lie and over performing and some are underperforming. There are lots of documentaries on the web about many aircrafts.
@@ChipsAhoyMcCoyIsn’t the R-27 complete dog irl? Unsure about the R-73 but I’m doubtful they are nearly as oppressive as they are in war thunder, though taking the russian government on their word while needing classified western documents sounds like the norm for gaijin
@@LowTide100 Well you might be surprised to learn that most vehicles in the game are quite faithful to their real life counterparts and that most are based on real documentation. An example of how detailed they get with their documentation is that in the 1972 version of the AMX-30, Gaijin put a single upright shell in the turret because there was an export brochure for the tank that showed it there. No other documentation for the tank talks about this lone shell.
@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy I don’t believe. Look at the F16 when it was added. They put a G limit on it. Why? What was the need of it?
They did it because they know F16’s would fuck shit up. Somehow gaijin knows American Air dominance is actually real. It is there. They introduced su27 as compare to F15 which is a decade older than Su27. But they did it because they know F15 will handle a newer SU27. I hope you’re getting my point. Gaijin is not afraid to nerf other tech trees besides couple. Yes there might be some vehicles close to the real world ones.
Okay, the Mig25 wasn't exactly Hyped by "Russian Propaganda". The Mig25 was really hyped by the Americans because of the reconnaissance photos taken of the plane when it was still a closely guarded secret, the Soviets just used this fear to make themselves feel more powerful as well as make the US think twice about instigating a Nuclear war, oh and ego.
In Game, Currently the F15 is one of the better dogfighters when it comes to Air RB, Aim9Ms are personally my preferred missile over the R73, considering I've spaded the Su27 and F15 and currently have around a 1.5 KD and a majority of my gameplay was pre 9M.
It is also hilarious that people believe that the F15 getting AMRAAMs is going to make it the best aircraft, We know the Russians should be receiving the R77 which will likely be at least on par if not better, assuming the French get the MICA, it will also make the AMRAAM nothing special, overall America's perceived underperformance is likely due to teams and the belief that Russian Aircraft are inferior to American Jets Inherently.
in regards of american jets being inherently superior to ussr/russian planes, after the Phantom, the US was always superior by context.
The F-15 was the shocker for the Foxbat
The F-16 was superior to the MiG-29 (which ironically was the answer to the F-15)
The F/A-18 was superior to the Su-27.
I can throw examples all day, if Gaijin has to do mental gymnastics to keep the game even its fair enough for balance, but your rhetoric on giving the impression that the americans were not that superior irl its just a fallacy, god theres even soviet documents giving details about their defensive doctrine explicitly pointing out that the US alone could have the air SUPREMACY (not superiority) in a potential conflict, and fighting the entire NATO block was even a worse scenario, and thus they had to focus on building top notch AAs and SAMs.
@@exhausting_thoughts
Okay, in terms of the Mig29, it was an equivalent to the F16, you can see that in almost every aspect of its design, Su27 being the answer to the F15.
The US was always ahead yes, but I’m talking in terms of warthunder, where the game has to be balanced, so the flaws in Russian designs (namely cockpits), doctrine, radar failure, missile failure etc… won’t be included. This makes it so the older American aircraft have to play on a more equal footing rather than having to fight Mig23s with their F15s.
Also would like to note about the “inherent superiority” take from my original statement, that’s in terms of, it’s USAF so it must be better, I.e that the F15 should be better than any Flanker, no matter variant.
I see the F15 as a F4E at 12.3
u are wrong, f-16 is no match for it.
@@PhoBos_____ acceleration, maneuverability (especially on high speeds), *2 countermeasures
you really gotta upgrade your G pull, you blacking out in a small turn man
I'm using a fully upgraded pilot here. I just take a lot of tight turns.
Just give the f15 hmd and itll perform better.
The F-15 doesn't get HMD until the F-15E. If I had to guess the F-15E will be the third version of the F-15 that we get.
It feels concerning that your speech comes to a compromise of skipping the stats, because they speak for your satisfaction playing with the F-15 and ultimately your economy ingame.
The F-15 got DOA'd so hard without HMD that even if they add another F-15 with AMRAAM and HMD it will be powercrept by some classic Gaijin™ move by adding a russian UFO or anything that can overshadow the Eagle because they can't stand the US to overperform at any single branch of the game.
They tried to cope their inferiority complex with the F-16 but they took the sparrows from it, and gave to the MiG-29s the most ludicrous SARH up to date, the R27ER (thats why they added the ADF, which was the definition of Gaijin in their infinite wisdom laughing at us). Only the viper was able to claim the throne of the real us dominance but it came late and literally on the verge of a new update with a new Russian plane to repeat the cycle of the F-16 but with another airframe.
The F-15 won't get HMD until the F-15E and that's probably not coming anytime soon. We're suppose to be getting the F-15C with AMRAAMs in one of the first two updates this year. If I underperform in that, no amount of liking the F-15 will save it from a bad review.
@@ChipsAhoyMcCoyI dont see why the F-15C wouldn't get an HMD when added. It got the JHMCS when it was introduced and at the same time as the F16C that we have in game. If we got a modernized F16C right when it was released then we should be getting a modernized F15C during its release too.
@ChipsAhoyMcCoy Gaijin is inconsistent (oh no who would've thought) in their implementation of the F-15. Originally the F-15A did not even carry a dedicated flare pod which was only formally added with the 'Msip program' which also gave the F-15C the improved radar for amraam capability and it's HMD aswell as slightly upturned engines.
Cries* in belief of western propagandas 😂
@@thatguy4828 F-15C only got JHMCS in 2007, along with an AESA radar. Unless gaijin wants to cut the upgrade package in half, it’s not getting an HMD any time soon.
Wait till you find out the thrust and top speed are accurate lol... as funny as it is.. the F-15 came to the game with one of the least broken / overperforming flight models of all US jets since the F-14A. We only had to do a couple of reports to match the performance against the charts in the manuals. It's one of the most accurate FM's in the game as far as I'm concerned currently.
IRCCM is Infrared counter-countermeasures. They counter countermeasures. It's not "countermeasures" twice.
Additionally, the AIM-7M doesn't have a low smoke motor as you said in the video.
exactly, this accusation that the F-15's engines lack power can be used against a multitude of other planes, mig29... mig23mld... but we know that they know nothing about static power and combat power, when the air is entering the engines, what to do, they just don't want to know
The f15 has insane fm ingame, had no issues with it... the only weak point is thw 7m which will become an irrelevant issue when fox 3 come this year at some point
I just feel they made it ass cause the next 15 variants will be OP with the 120s and hard points
I feel like we're only going to have 3-4 more variants of the F-15 in game.
@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy same I think it’ll be the C D & E , IF they don’t make the E or strike eagle a premium
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0.9 kd in an f15 ? Not the planes fault, its a massive skill issue on your side, i have a kd of more than 2 on the f14b in the current meta
not hard with the aim-54
@musti3853 you must be one of those that gets killed at the beginning of the game by a phoenix. Phoenixes are incredibly unreliable and easily countered by just flying low at the beginning of the game. Stay low, fire your aim7 radar missiles on opponents above you and git gud
@@cmdr.ther3aper817 nah I eat f-14s for breakfast, just lvl 10s in their premiums dont
Imagine saying skill issue with a 2 K/D BAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAHA
@Eyno-777 yes, I can confidently say skill issue when your kd in the f15 is 0.9
Nobody talking about how the F-15A could carry amraams
*Where are our amraams gaijin*
The F-15A didn't carry AMRAAMs. The F-15C was the first one to carry AMRAAMs. We're suppose to be getting it in one of the first 2 updates this year.
man this is literally misinformation
@@ChipsAhoyMcCoyWell then it seems DCS World needs an update
@@thebrazilianluigi2142 DCS world doesn’t have an F-15A, it has an F-15C
@@Coliflower185 It would seem I did in fact mistake the versions
Aim9m the deadliest in side aspects. Its irrccm allows it to be fired from much farther ranges then R73 for example.
F15 keeps its speed insanely well. At high speed you can do 180 and barely loose speed. IRL f15 angle speed is about 1 degree per second better then Su27. In wr thunder this thing has much more then that. You can run circles in doffight around average skilled flankers (considering u know what youre doing).
Fortunately, smokeless motor of the aim9m does not matter in air rb. Imagine if half of your enemy team had a jill button. They press it and you die after 5 second pasded and noone knows when enemy presses it. You can see him when he is pressing the button, but you won't know if he does until you just dead and can't do anything about it. This is called a toxic feture, that is unfair to your enemies. And you know what, we already have it in sim. R27e and R73 that american mains are moanig about being overpowered are at least able to see it coming and you know what, they spam flares and they flare the missile successfully most of the time. Or they just hear RWR and fly low and then shoot you an invisible all aspect flare resistant missile whith 30+g overload and a device that makes an eagle screach sound everytime some one died to it. You can only assume that it is coming and start flaring, but this does not guarantee that you can fool irccm.
IRL this thing HAS SMOKE TRAIL, it is NOT INVISIBLE, its just more TRANSPARENT, which makes it JUST HARDER TO SEE. The same thing goes with amraams.
Try flying against aim9m in ground RB. Or in SIM and you will see how bad it is.
R73 is a good missile, it is hard to flare, but you can do it in the f15 from a very close range. If you point the vertical axis of the f15 to your that and start flaring you become almost immune to it. Flarable from within 1000m. Flanker has much harder time flaring it. And flankers are the most volnorable targets for the R73.
Im a bit upset that people complain about enemy jets, but don't know how big of an advantage their own plane plane has. In sim ppl literally fly f16c with aim9m, good radar, tws, hms, advanced RWR, 120 coinermeasures and still say that soviets are overpowered. It seems to me that people just want their jets to be stupidly overperforming and overpowered so they can be good at it.
Try to say that gripen is overperforming and the gripen player will bite your hand off. He will be saying that it is skill issue on your side, and he is just a better player than you. But itl it is the only plane he does well in because its just so op with its 720 flares the best flight model and 6 aim9m.
Everyone wants their Jet to be gripen in its current state.
And noone wants to deal with enemies strengths and weaknesses. Just make my enemies a pure weakness and make my plane a pure strength.
Su-27 is the most OP thing in SIM rn, thats a MASSIVE skill issue on you
Gaijin said this F-15A is the MSIP version national guard its still missing its new radar it’s new engines and it’s AMRAAM this F-15A needs AMRAAM it had then and should get them!
only MSIP F-15Cs got the radar upgrade, only F-15Cs and Ds got the upgraded engines.
So does mig29 and su 27.
The trash plane in EUA thanks gaijin really thanks🎉🎉
Ton of errors and inacuracies regarding the mig25's history, the soviets never really claimed much with the mig25, it was just supposed to be a high altitude high speed interceptor (which it did just fine by the way) and claims of it being a super dogfighter crazy jet fighter only came from CIA spies and assumptions made by observation by the americans (which the soviets played with to scare a bit the americans in the proces ONLY AFTER the americans already believed it was real) mikoyan offered the mig25 to the soviet airforce for one thing alone and they we're very content with that, to intercept to hypothetical XB70 valkyrie which never came to be, so in the end it was relegated to other type of interception, like SR71's or U2 spy planes, which even if it never shot down the first, it did cause them to have to reroute and change courses to avoid said intercepions
w8 for amraams, su 27 cant carry r77s, unless they add something very modern for the russians ( as they usually do), the f15 will dominate as it should
Dw amraams and sukoi30 with r77 inc next big patch lol
The Mig-29SMT will get R-77s
Amraams will suffer the same issue as Aim-54/Aim-7 so it will change little to nothing in the current meta
@@icantsleepman what issue
@@kristofszilvasi9021 Planting themselves into the ground when hugging the deck
ppl when their beloved isnt against mig21,su22 or mirage f1s
It got 6 kills against mig29s in the gulf
@@creepincreepy261 in the gulf here ur aganist su27,other f15s,gripens,mirages 4k
@@theyseeyou7283 We can't compare this to real life, since in real life, the f15a wouldn't go against the su27s since they are a decade apart. Same goes for the gripen.
@@creepincreepy261 yes that's my point its not irl but wt and unfortunately the devs managed to screw the su,eagle and gripen
@@theyseeyou7283 I think the eagle is modeled decently now, but I think they should bring back the old su27 flight model but limit it to r27rs and ts for balance.
İf you want realistic game play DCS. I bought only 7.5 dollar in DCS F 15 C with am 120 missle already. If you want arcade fun in War Thunder grind Russian side and enjoy with your strong vehicles.
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f15 is not underperform most likelly overperform in the sense of flight modell under perfomr in armamanet tho
its under performing by a lot and 20 percent is a lot if they did the same to the Su 27 you wouldn't hear any praise the trade between the two speed and maneuverability with first going in the F-15 (Speed) and Second to the Su-27 (Maneuverability) two amazing planes just i dont get why they have to have so much Bias in Russia's favor.
@@benhelkenn6870You realise they took a massive dump on the Su-27's fm too ?
@@benhelkenn6870it’s not the performance that is the problem but the current meta is top tear, which is basically a giant fur ball and the su27 has 6 ir missile
@@benhelkenn6870 they do not have bias in Russia’s favour, atleast not in air. The Su-27, and all top tier Russian aircraft, perform like brick shithouses, with the most sluggish performance I have felt in a long time. The F-15 as is, is a better plane than the Su-27. Yank teams are just shit
If USA mains start complaining about the aim120 when it gets added I’ll fucking shoot myself becuase I cannot take any more of us mains complaining about EVERYTHING. Atleast you don’t have to play the tornado or the harrier gr7 or god forbid the challenger 2? Why can’t you guys be grateful
that's just uk's fault for being bad
@@ferrous3262thats the US fault for not making warthunder
The Harrier GR7 is good, what are you on about?
@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy the armament is good, but still inferior to a lot of aircraft at that br, it’s only really good in ground but that is just asking to be eaten by a panstir
The problems on WT are not the vehicles, but the playerbase, it's totally fucked, people with no fucking idea of how it works the game, level 30 with top tier premiums