The F-15 Is Here, But Is It Worth The Grind..?
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Crazy that Russia gets more modern missiles meanwhile the US is stuck with the 7M
no russian bias here comrade!
Russian Bias? What are you talking sbout? Never heard of it.
A *"sKiLl iSsUe"* as they say 😂
From Gaijin's perspective, it has something to do with game balancing purposes. Because top tier Russian planes had very few ammo count such as SU27 has only 150 rounds, so Gaijin felt that MIG-29 and SU-27 should have the best missiles to balance out the lack of gun ammunition.
@ReviveHF 🤣
Bruh
There's a very
Very
Very large performance gap between guns and aams. . .
It doesn't actually matter that the SU has less ammo because fewer hits will do more damage than a larger amount of M61 hits XD
Either way, the SU gets more R73s and R27s that compare to early 2000's 9Xs/120s than the us' 2 jets with 80's 9Ms, lol x fucking d
I think the AIM-7P would make this plane feel like it should. also I think the Aardvark has the most rounds barring the A10, it has 1900 rounds or so
I also heard someone say the Aim7MH, or at least I think that was it, apparently it’s just an Aim7M with datalink
@batlax18 from what I've seen the AIM-7MH just improves the lofting capabilities of the missile, which wouldn't help much in game since most encounters are medium to short range. the AIM-7P would be a more noticeable improvement since missiles would lose lock much less often
@@williamurbanblackiii1729ok, I’m not trying to know what these things capabilities are, I just saw it in a video somewhere. I’m more interested in IR and Aircraft, wouldn’t mind the 7P if it’s better though 😉
@batlax18 fair lol, the MH is just a range improvement and the P is a guidance improvement. IR is a lot more straightforward I don't blame you lol
Aim-7P has no purpsoe in WT. It uses datalink. No datalink in WT. Not even AWACS. So no, Aim-7P would have literally no difference. The MH either as it just improves minor things from the M that have no effect in WT.
Historically, the main reason why the F-15 dominated because it was the only plane that could do BVR fighting effectively in the late Cold War. The Mig-29 and Su-27 have outstanding flight performance, but the R27 family of missiles is extremely unreliable so they couldn't challenge F-15's in a natural fight.
For obvious reasons, War Thunder isn't trying to recreate reality so the F-15 is just average in the game. The irony is that top tier is so chaotic that no fighter is actually able to dominate because the slight advantages they have is overcome by the chaos.
apt analysis!
I mean not really, the F15 and all American aircraft dominate because they never faced an actual decent air force. it's not particularly hard to dominate when your opponent is a shitty 60 year Soviet export plane crewed by an inexperienced and poorly trained pilot who flies for a numerically inferior Iraqi air force that uses regressive and literal tribal leadership and has the inability to form air packages, carry out SEAD or have an AWACS. Wait until it faces the VVS or PLAAF in a fully mobilized war.
Also you need to realize that the US is actual quite behind in Fox 3 missile tech, UK and France have the best - The Meteor and the Russians have the R77 and R37 which include new and pioneering technologies such as hypersonic speed, they also have next to no available data on their performance so don't try bullshit anyone by saying they are "unreliable". Meanwhile the US still uses 30 year old missiles with no changes.
American strength is in its Network warfare and how efficient and fast it is at coordinating great numbers of aircraft. This matters more than than anything. The exact same thing as how the British won the battle of britain against an enemy that started with superior planes, superior numbers and superior experience. It's also why Russia and China are developing massive missiles like the R-37 and PL-15 to target American tanker, Surveillance and AWACS aircraft. To destroy the US's Network.
Historically he dominated because he fought vs mig-21 and mig-23.
Any 29 and 27 dominated him.
@@Mmjk_12 You're kind of tapdancing around the fact that the flanker only just began entering limited service effectively a full decade behind the Eagle. F-15 ran train uncontested because there was quite literally nothing out there that could practically contest it.
@@nobleman-swerve 8 years between them mate relax yourself. The pendulum swings both ways. The Soviets had the Mig 15 uncontested for 5 years. The cycle goes on. Also the su27 had it's first flight a year after the F15 was put into service. So still not so sure what your point was
7:24 "against everything other than a certain soviet missile, the sparrow is top dog" says as two sparrows detonate randomly for due to how "good" they are according to gaijin 😂... On a previous clip you can see a sparrow going off in the wrong direction as they usually do... No, the sparrow we have now is not a top dog, its dog 💩
Aim-7 are just broken after major update, "Air Inferiority"
I was wondering why this was happening to me, since I haven't played since the F16 came out. I've been sticking to IR missiles the last 2 days
@@NocturneOP55N1 Gaijin did some bullshit thing with the AIM-7 and it isn't in the patch notes
So that's why my AIM-7Ds on the F-4C were especially shitty when I was trying to spade it
@@theporschetiger Aim7 starts to be good after E-2
I can't wait for the F15c misp 2, upgraded engine and radar.(I think this should've been the F15 we gotten for it was made in the mid 80s same time as the SU 27)
This National guard MSIP still has the wrong radar so where waiting for the right one as it absolutely sucks can’t lock for crap
If only Gaijin was fair
then go and play JAS-37 . best jet
Don’t forget the F-15 locking onto invisible things in mid air when the enemy’s aren’t even there and the Aim-7M whith F-15 being slow as hell and easy to notch
frankly the eagle excels at the awacs/datalink/amraam combination you were talking about due to it being one of the if not the most kinematically potent platform for them, along with the capability to carry more.
The opening with the Su-27 doing a cobra on take off made me lol XD
Hate to be 🤓, but it’s actually 🤓👆 a Chinese j11 which is almost identical to the soviet su27 but is still named the j11
@@tunnis9690 Oh, you are right. Still, I'd argue a Su-27 is a Su-27, because this is not only the Ru army designation but also the factory denomination. Unlike US militar equipment, I.E. F-15, M1, M16, russian planes are not "renamed" to enter service. A AR-15 in use in another country would still be a AR-15 imho, even if the local armed forces didn't call it M-16 :)
@@Tentaclumm aktually 🤓 china reproduced their own version of the “su-27” they were not buying it from russia but self producing it so yes J-11 is the correct name and SU-27 is incorrect.
Its silly they wouldn't give it 120As, even just two.
Hilarious how Gaijin just completely makes up specs of the R27, IRL they have about the same mass as AIM7s and warhead mass, yet according to Gaijin they have magic propellant that is 35% more effective and have 40% more warhead filler.
I can't believe someone edited Hickok45's Glock hat lmao
So once again the US gets the worst version of the aircraft it produced while every other nation that got export versions gets the upgraded package.
“I am not a great pilot.” Proceeds to shit on the entire enemy team every video he releases.
F-15A's AIM7F is still no match against SU-27's counterpart because from Gaijin's perspective, it has something to do with game balancing purposes. Because top tier Russian planes had very few ammo count such as SU27 has only 150 rounds, while the American planes such as F-16C had at least 512 rounds so Gaijin felt that MIG-29 and SU-27 should have the best missiles to balance out the lack of gun ammunition.
I saw you playing in this on the city map. First UA-camr I’ve ever seen in game
Not like i have an option of what (top) jet to get, since my highest B.R. US jet is the F-4E and that was the line i was focusing on, and their bombers and attackers (still waiting for the B-52, B-58, B-49 - maybe - or some prototypes and older bombers), and just reached the 1st F-8 in the next tree, and left the 1st tree at the P-38L.
8:10 SURPRISE SURPRISE....
“Long way away from AMRAAM”
Gajin: Modern Fox 3’s is planned for release first quarter 2024.
April’s patch
We're actually apparently not a long way away from AMRAAMs, from what I remember happening on the forums. Should have them start of next year.
I disagree that adding modern missles to the game is a mistake.
Adding these missles while not doing anything about the fact that top tier is just a stupid furball missle spam gamemode is a mistake tho.
Eagle Driver. Your careful analysis has led me to decide not to grind the F15 and instead continue my wait for the Eurofighter Typoon. Thanks Sako!
It's just too late too be of any use. It should have turned up instead of the F-16C. As it is I said when it first showed up I'll fly the F-16C instead. Until the F-15 gets HMCS or we got one that has it, there is literally no point in flying it with the way Top Tier has gone. Everyone literally just hugging the deck makes the F-15's entire purpose trashed. It's meant to sling Fox-1 at higher altitudes. Can't do that when everyone is trying to eat trees.
Meanwhile: *still fucks* 😎
Now normally when I see someone use dates an aircraft/missile entered service as an argument, I would reply with "The MiG-21 LanceR entered service in 2001 - the F-22A followed 4 years later. Same era, should be balanced right?"
R-27ER vs AIM-7M is the exception, however 😂
Dude had me giggling at "traitor's day"!
Eagle Driver.
Morning Sako, I remember having long hours of fighting with my best friend on why I think this aircraft is shit, he was not happy with me for two days hahahah, once again awesome video I hope you are well
Thanks mate!
"Hickcock 45 here.... eagle driver."
Eagle Driver
i actually hate top tier jets i think it’s far and away the worst game mode/BR combo experience war thunder has to offer but i’m gonna get the F15J just for pure cool factor also to kill helis and frogfeet in top tier ground RB
F-15J is definitely the coolest
EAGLE DRIVERRR!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS GETTING SHOT DOWN!?!??!?!
THERE'S SOMETHING INSIDE YOU!!!
IT'S AN AIM9M!!!
Personally it’s mid, I’d rather use the F-14B just because it has pretty much the same kit with more countermeasures and better low speed manoeuvrability
Also has more CAS potential than the eagle. Hell the F-16C has more CAS than the F-15A
It is true it is kind of mid, but keep in mind that the engines are on crack, has aim9m and I feel they turn quite a bit better than f14b overall, but yes it's not a Cas plane, and although you could basically sprinkle the map with flares in f14b, 240 flares is quite enough
@@CrustaceanAllergyEnjoyer Yeah, 240 is good for general use cases, however I feel like having 4x Aim-9Ls and Aim-7Ms with 640 is a little better for preflaring those pesky R-73s and 9Ms
It always confused me, when the pilot in Red Dawn called himself an Eagle Driver, is there a specific reason they didn't say pilot or flyer?
Because each time he lands the eagle he drives to yo momma's house
Eagle driver
That “traitors day” line hit me outta nowhere and I spit out my freedom juice laughing. Sub gained from a filthy traitor, cheers bro
Its the funnest jet in the game
Every Su-27 player thinking they're slick shit performing their first cobra.
Me 3 years ago doing it in a J35D without flatspinning.
eagle driver
have they increased RP gain at all yet? or is it still worthless to play due to the diminishing returns of Rp/ SL
Nah man unless I get 2 kills I get nothing with the f15
13:26 wtf is a kilometer?
An eagle driver ran over my dog
Hickok45?!?!!?
Egle Driver ;D
Ok Eagle Driver, I agree I don't get many killsbut can appreciate the jet and its fun to play. SGT_Katana
Just unlocked the F-15J today and wow, this is the most fun I’ve had flying an Aircraft. Even with only AIM-7M’s this thing is just a beast in the battlefield.
Glad you're enjoying it mate. Just remember to check your 6!
I will be honest with you its no. also like its wings still rips for some reason
I do agree.... There is no skill at top tier anymore.... Just point and click or send a missile..... No fun, where is the 1 on 1's???
Short answer: NO its NOT worth the grind at the Moment
only su worth rn sadly
@@user-lz7wm9iq2d su is kinda mid
why is everyone saying eagle driver
That's classified information
As good as the f15 is supposed to be, I've been left with a sour taste in my mouth. I expected the plane to be far, far better fully spaded than it currently is and tbh, in its current state, imo it's rather trash and there's no reason to play it over the f16c.. sad, cause the plane is a beauty and it could be so, so, so much more
"The AN/APG is the best in the game" THE MOST CAP thing I've ever heard, the radar is completely useless, its about as useful as the f4C's radar.
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Pov
R27ER = Fox1 Aim120 lmfao 😂 *EagleDriver*
What is the point of the f15? I dont see why you would choose it over the f16. Speed and power? thats it? russia gets far better loudouts. Why does everyone hype f15 so much!??
cus f-16 is ugly an f-15 is also new airframe f-16 has been out for a year
Cuz F15 😎👌
Should be 11.0 br
Skill issue
tf is traitors day? googled it, Yikes bro maybe u need a history lesson if you think that.
Actually
The soviets already had a flanker by 1977 called the T-10. Whilst technically a different aircraft from the Su-27, biggest difference aeronautically speaking a lack of IRST and a slightly different vertical and horizontal stabilizer layout, it is still a flanker.
This point is nullified however when you consider that the F-15A in war thunder is a semi-MSIP (given the flares) one and that the current Su-27 is an Su-27S. Both the Su-27S and F-15A MSIP were introduced in 1985.
But hey i suppose that the US air tree is suffering even with the objectively best aircraft. Clearly there is an example of Russian bias even when the Su-27 is only pulling 24 degrees max whilst the real S can pull 30 degrees instantaneous and 24 degrees sustained.
If russian biasers could read they would be pretty upset rn
For the record, the Su-27 is performing in line with it's datasheets in Sim and RB. I'm not surprised the RB performance feels 'weird' though, because those numbers are achieved at specific airspeeds. When using the keyboard to turn you're hitting maximum deflection and hitting maximum G, so you'll hit that instantaneous turn rate for well, an instant, and burn straight through it as you keep pulling. the optimal sustained rateis achieved at an optimal G, which is in turn achieved at a airspeed. Mashing the elevator key (i.e. pulling the stick into your gut) is exceeding that optimal G every time, burning off all your airspeed, and then making you come around at below the optimal sustained rate. Your radius may be smaller, but it took you longer to complete that circle. RB is just a massive 1-circle fest so everyone thinks their hot shit if they can go head-empty and make the smallest circle possible with no thoughts.
In Defyn's Su-27 video he hit a maximum of 29.3 deg/s when he hit the right airspeed. Then, because he kept turning as hard as possible, the aircraft bled airspeed and dropped through 24 deg/s to about 17 (which is only about 2 deg/s slower than the F-16A block 10). With mouse+keyboard combined with WT's 1.5x G-loading you're pulling so many Gs in RB so easily you physically cannot stay at the right airspeed long enough to rate at the your best, well, rate. The same instructor that keeps you from getting into an unrecoverable stall in the MiG-21 keeps you from pulling AoA at low speed that would put you into a stall in the Su-27-- low speed authority be damned. But instead of doing a smidge of research and realizing that the same mechanics that hold your hand instructor are also responsible for the plane not feeling 'right', you want to blame it on Gaijin favoring another nation 👌👌
Oh yeah babyyyy dump that speed and get reallll slow for me! 😂
Aww shush with the this came out in this year while this came out that year. They did it all the time, ground 5th and 6th tier would be unplayable for a lot of tech tree. Heck sweden grind would basically be impossible
> Soviet jets heap of junk
> Meanwhile, US """cutting edge flying beasts""" padding stats against farmers who learned how to fly a mig 21 and 23 a few hours ago
he also ignored that the soviets knew the 25 was a shit fighter and wasnt designed to be one from the drawingboard
it was an interceptor with huge engines to go fast, shoot missiles and go home
"The people who went to space first did not know how to build jets" - In fact, when you adjust for the differences in the budget, Soviets become all that more impressive in aerospace engineering when compared to NASA and US aerospace corporations. Not to mention that in 1920, Soviet Union was still a developing backwater post feudal state and USA was the most powerful country in the world. 50 years lates, Soviets are going toe to toe with USA. That's not only impressive but unprecedented in history. Maybe only matched by the Chinese 2000 - 2020 growth. Most of the post WW2 NATO countries received massive Marshal Plan funding to rebuild their economies whilst the Soviet Union did it themselves whilst also helping a lot of the Eastern Block countries, rebuilding Warsaw practically for free after Germans leveled it. They often just skip over that because it makes the Soviets look good.@@ThePointlessBox_
Kinda like how the Russians were in Afghanistan.
@@ThePointlessBox_ah yes, the “it was just an interceptor cope” the f4 was an interceptor yet it could get its hands dirty in a dogfight, the f-14 was *built* with fleet defense from long range missile carriers as it’s very basis yet went on to be the go to jet for an entire school of dogfighting, and the mig25 the west was scared of until they got their hands on the piece of shit lead to the creation of the f-15 an extremely capable interception platform that can still engage in BFM, the Soviet industry just sucked in terms of creating a real multi role platform, like not even true multi role just the actual ability to something out of your dedicated job
@@theliteralworst9416 what does the F4 and F14 being capable of dogfighting have to do with the Mig25
It was purely built as an interceptor, they have other planes if it comes to dogfighting. You're complaining that a sniper rifle is shit in close quarters combat because a standard issue rifle can also pick up targets at a distance and close up.
Well, the folks that make the decisions in the ‘game’ will NEVER give any western weapons system its full capabilities . You either ignore the bias or uninstall ….. that is it. Personally I would not wipe my ass with Gaijin.
gripen is pretty overpowered it besides no good radar missiles it can 1v1 anything and has infinite countermeasures which makes it unkillable + its energy retention
@@ferrous326290sjet90sjet90sjet90sjet90sjet90sjet
True true
12:48 @terpkas
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