One thought. Sauron gave the dwarves rings which increased their greed and made them hoard vast wealth. Then the dragons came and invaded the dwarve's realms, taking their treasure. What if this was Sauron's plan all along? As far as I know, the dragons didn't attack the dwarves until after their huge wealth became known. What if this is how Sauron used the dragons in his war against the free people of middle earth?
That’s a fascinating take! Sauron’s use of the Dwarves’ greed through the rings and the eventual arrival of dragons could indeed suggest a long-term strategy to destabilize Middle-earth. By encouraging hoarding and isolation, Sauron might have indirectly weakened potential alliances. Tolkien’s world is filled with these kinds of subtle manipulations-thanks for bringing up such an interesting idea!.
I wouldn’t assume that they were stronger than Sauron. After all, Sauron was the second most powerful of Morgoth’s servants, only after Gothmog. His strength wasn’t just in physical power, but in his cunning and mastery of dark arts. Recruiting beings like Durin’s Bane or Smaug might not have been necessary for him, as he had different methods of controlling Middle-earth that suited his long-term plans better.
@@Taleof_fellowship Gothmog has a barlog. And it was never said how physically strong Sauron was. His mental strength was phenomenal. No doubt. His ability to plan and execute things was also daunting. But keep in mind Morgoth made dragons, barlogs, and him. It was never quite said how powerful a dragon could become as time goes on. Nor barlogs for that matter. And like Sauron, dragons and barlogs could live for a very long time. And no one ever said that they did not become more powerful with age. But Sauron remained more or less the same in power level, it seems to me. Sauron was smart, but not as all powerful as he liked others to think he was.
I thought he did. Smaug, Shelob and Durin's Bane were his obedient servants and were placed strategically to isolate the different peoples from coming to each others aid, or as guards, especially Shelob. Otherwise, why stay put? Durin's Bane could've left Moria and challenged Sauron if he were more powerful. Smaug could've gone on to attack the Mirkwood elves or Lothlorien for yet more hoardes of gold. And Shelob guarded an otherwise secret entrance into Mordor. They didn't join the battles because they were needed where they were. Sauron ordered them to. That's my opinion, anyway, and besides, both Smaug and Durin's Bane were dead before the major battles started. I think it was Gandalf who said that Sauron had dominion over all evil things and tolerated no rival. Such beasts arose and multiplied on his return. Moreover, didn't Sauron command Angband while waiting for Morgoth's return at one stage during the first age? So he would've had command over balrogs and dragons back then? As for why he didn't use other dragons and balrogs, I'm not sure. But I've always thought of Sauron as not the brightest of dark lords. Maybe it didn't occur to Tolkien to include them in the battles of the 2nd and 3rd age, or maybe it was deliberate, because of the fading of all magical beings, be it elves, dwarves, orcs, dragons or balrogs. Men (and women) become the dominant race, otherwise there'd still be dragons, elves and so on around today lol.
Interesting take! I agree with your point that Smaug, Shelob, and Durin’s Bane likely served more strategic purposes. They acted as key deterrents or guardians in areas crucial to Sauron’s plans. For example, Smaug’s presence in the north isolated the region and prevented intervention, while Shelob’s lair provided a natural defense for Mordor. However, there’s also the matter of Sauron’s pride and his need for absolute control over his forces. He may have seen them as too independent or dangerous to fully trust in his direct war efforts. As for Sauron’s command over balrogs or dragons, you’re right to question that. In the First Age, Sauron was indeed subordinate to Morgoth, who wielded power over many dark creatures. But after Morgoth’s defeat, many of these beings disappeared or hid away, and Sauron’s influence, though vast, was not as absolute over them as Morgoth’s was. There’s also the idea that, by the Third Age, much of the ‘magical’ power of Middle-earth had faded, and beings like the balrogs and dragons were simply remnants of an older world, not as abundant or cooperative as they once were. Lastly, I love your point about the fading of magic and mythical creatures as Men became the dominant race-Tolkien may have intended that shift to show the passing of an older, more fantastical age into one more grounded in the rule of Men, which fits the broader theme of decline throughout Middle-earth.
Smaug wasn’t alive during the First Age, but the point I was making was about the potential power Sauron could have had if he had creatures like Smaug and Balrogs under his command-regardless of their time period. It’s more of a ‘what if’ scenario exploring the power dynamics between different beings in Middle-earth
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One thought. Sauron gave the dwarves rings which increased their greed and made them hoard vast wealth. Then the dragons came and invaded the dwarve's realms, taking their treasure. What if this was Sauron's plan all along? As far as I know, the dragons didn't attack the dwarves until after their huge wealth became known. What if this is how Sauron used the dragons in his war against the free people of middle earth?
That’s a fascinating take! Sauron’s use of the Dwarves’ greed through the rings and the eventual arrival of dragons could indeed suggest a long-term strategy to destabilize Middle-earth. By encouraging hoarding and isolation, Sauron might have indirectly weakened potential alliances. Tolkien’s world is filled with these kinds of subtle manipulations-thanks for bringing up such an interesting idea!.
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Because apparently they were stronger than he was and he could not really control them.
I wouldn’t assume that they were stronger than Sauron. After all, Sauron was the second most powerful of Morgoth’s servants, only after Gothmog. His strength wasn’t just in physical power, but in his cunning and mastery of dark arts. Recruiting beings like Durin’s Bane or Smaug might not have been necessary for him, as he had different methods of controlling Middle-earth that suited his long-term plans better.
@@Taleof_fellowship Gothmog has a barlog. And it was never said how physically strong Sauron was. His mental strength was phenomenal. No doubt. His ability to plan and execute things was also daunting. But keep in mind Morgoth made dragons, barlogs, and him. It was never quite said how powerful a dragon could become as time goes on. Nor barlogs for that matter. And like Sauron, dragons and barlogs could live for a very long time. And no one ever said that they did not become more powerful with age. But Sauron remained more or less the same in power level, it seems to me. Sauron was smart, but not as all powerful as he liked others to think he was.
Sorry meant Gothmog WAS a barlog.
I thought he did. Smaug, Shelob and Durin's Bane were his obedient servants and were placed strategically to isolate the different peoples from coming to each others aid, or as guards, especially Shelob. Otherwise, why stay put? Durin's Bane could've left Moria and challenged Sauron if he were more powerful. Smaug could've gone on to attack the Mirkwood elves or Lothlorien for yet more hoardes of gold. And Shelob guarded an otherwise secret entrance into Mordor. They didn't join the battles because they were needed where they were. Sauron ordered them to. That's my opinion, anyway, and besides, both Smaug and Durin's Bane were dead before the major battles started. I think it was Gandalf who said that Sauron had dominion over all evil things and tolerated no rival. Such beasts arose and multiplied on his return. Moreover, didn't Sauron command Angband while waiting for Morgoth's return at one stage during the first age? So he would've had command over balrogs and dragons back then? As for why he didn't use other dragons and balrogs, I'm not sure. But I've always thought of Sauron as not the brightest of dark lords. Maybe it didn't occur to Tolkien to include them in the battles of the 2nd and 3rd age, or maybe it was deliberate, because of the fading of all magical beings, be it elves, dwarves, orcs, dragons or balrogs. Men (and women) become the dominant race, otherwise there'd still be dragons, elves and so on around today lol.
Interesting take! I agree with your point that Smaug, Shelob, and Durin’s Bane likely served more strategic purposes. They acted as key deterrents or guardians in areas crucial to Sauron’s plans. For example, Smaug’s presence in the north isolated the region and prevented intervention, while Shelob’s lair provided a natural defense for Mordor. However, there’s also the matter of Sauron’s pride and his need for absolute control over his forces. He may have seen them as too independent or dangerous to fully trust in his direct war efforts.
As for Sauron’s command over balrogs or dragons, you’re right to question that. In the First Age, Sauron was indeed subordinate to Morgoth, who wielded power over many dark creatures. But after Morgoth’s defeat, many of these beings disappeared or hid away, and Sauron’s influence, though vast, was not as absolute over them as Morgoth’s was. There’s also the idea that, by the Third Age, much of the ‘magical’ power of Middle-earth had faded, and beings like the balrogs and dragons were simply remnants of an older world, not as abundant or cooperative as they once were.
Lastly, I love your point about the fading of magic and mythical creatures as Men became the dominant race-Tolkien may have intended that shift to show the passing of an older, more fantastical age into one more grounded in the rule of Men, which fits the broader theme of decline throughout Middle-earth.
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They might have been a strategic placement. But they were by no means loyal to him or servants to him.
Smaug wasn't alive in the first age lol he was only 200 years old in the hobbit and the first age was 1000'S of years prior
Bro. The Narrator only explaining the power of both creatures balrog and dragon...
Smaug wasn’t alive during the First Age, but the point I was making was about the potential power Sauron could have had if he had creatures like Smaug and Balrogs under his command-regardless of their time period. It’s more of a ‘what if’ scenario exploring the power dynamics between different beings in Middle-earth