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Anyone that understands how chemistry and a replicator would work if it was possible to synthesize foods like a transporter would know that replicated food would taste essentially the same as non replicated food provided you get the molecular arrangements and the exact molecules right.the idea replicated food tastes bland or different is just something the writers who didn't understand much about chemistry threw in.
@@davidt8087 I always made the case that the reason Trek characters thought it was "bland" or something similar to that is because the replicator "cooked" the same chicken breast the EXACT same a million times while a trained chefs kitchen never Exactly cooks the dish the same way. It might be a tiny bit off with the seasoning or something like that. You could also make the case that the writers took influence from the old TV Dinners vs. Freshly prepared cooked food Debate. :)
@@Brando501st Yea it could be true. Also, grills make barbeque meat smokey, and oveens cook evenly. A replicator doesnt heat it just arranges the molecules in order so its possibly without heating it tastes "dry" as well
@@davidt8087 That's a great point. How does the replicator "cook" food? Perhaps it cooks it in a way like a Microwave where it frictions the food molecules a little bit before fully replicating it to make it feel hot. Also, off topic, I've found it weird that it seems that there's no refrigeration tech slightly shown or mentioned. Like in Quarks bar, Worf has to tell Quark, "Prune Juice, Chilled". So is everyone else used to drinking room temperature alcohol? 🍺😝
@Julen Artano Garin That's not true either. You can weigh and measure out the same recipe of cookies yet both can come out fundamentally different. There are slight variations that are not exactly factored in on replicated food. From the quality of the milk, butter, flour, and eggs, to the density and filtration of salt, vanilla, or other myriad of spices. A Replicator would molecularity function as a perfect copy of every ingredient, fine tuned for dietary need. Meaning the cookie may taste delicious and after the 100th cookie it'd be the same. Yet eating two cookies, hand made with non-replicated ingredients will have different tastes.
The problem with replicated food is that it will always taste the same, that means it can get bland and boring after a while. Another problem is Starfleet's insistence on only dispensing healthy meals. That limits the quality (and taste) of the copy.
I read a Star Trek fanfic a looooong time ago, one of the characters theorized that replicated food doesn’t taste as well as grown and cooked stuff because of how their isn’t as much randomization of both the ingredient elements and the cooking itself, whereas replicated matter is too universally formed and orderly. Can’t remember what it was called, damn shame too, because it was a GOOD one.
Some food items - like coffee - contain thousands of chemical compounds, such as oils, antioxidants, vitamins and so on. A replicator would probably produce food with a drastically reduced complexity, resulting in a bland taste.
That feels like a pretty easy problem to fix, have the computer randomize measurements within certain parameters so it spits out a mildly different dish each time.
Spyro Fan in the first season Riker says the replicated foods are made from transporter patterns, but even before that we have an episode with a drug which cannot be replicated. Rather than a sheer number of chemicals being a limit the limit might be in the complexity of a single molecule, or the drug has a living component.
Nothing like a bunch of leaves in your epidermis to make one appreciate the preciseness of an annular confinement beam. Or just a friggin shuttle, theyd be safe to travel in if they ever had plot armor.
Inconsistent though. If Replicators existed on Enterprise, then why was Scotty, whom was from post-Enterprise chronologically, surprised when he drank the replicated scotch? His reaction should have been more like, "Waaaggh...Synthehol Scotch? Don't you have the real stuff?" as soon as he tasted it. Replicators weren't invented between TOS and TNG. But Enterprise was written later, meaning that is where the writers went inconsistent. Am I missing something?
@@gengoosekhan Synthahol isn't replicated alcohol, it is not alcohol at all. It's a different chemical that has the taste of alcohol but doesn't get you drunk. It has nothing to do with the replicators.
@@sneed457 Thanks, wasn't sure about that. So, replicators were around already, but synthehol wasn't. I think that it'd be the other way around realistically, but if thats how it was in the ST timeline then it works. Seems to me the synthehol would have been invented first between the two.
@@Tokmurok I have a cousin who was stationed in Korea for a year. He tells me that they skin the cats alive, because the adrenaline gives the meat a unique flavor. The longer the cat lives (the more adrenaline is released), the more expensive the meat.
As someone who has eaten nothing but instant noodles everyday I can confirm that with time it tastes like sadness itself. Thankfully it's versatile so you can do alot with it to make it taste new and fresh.
It's funny how most of the complaints seem to be about replicators being too perfect, with only a few of them being about the results being inferior. I suspect Scotty's objection to the synth-Scotch is a result of the recipe just being supremely generic. I also suspect the replicator has exceptional recipes, but that even the best stuff gets boring through over familiarity.
I think synthehol must be an exception to this replicator discussion. It's an entirely different thing to alcohol, replicated or not. Since it's not real we can't even guess if people can "really" tell the difference or not.
Zabe alternatively, based on Data’s guess they can tell the difference, and the 21st century guy who had the martini just likes the taste like some people like artificial sweeteners, even though they’re actually gross.
@@Yusuke_Denton Yeah, there are likely very few manufacturers of real alcohol or food around and those that still exist are probably a very expensive luxury niche product unless you are visiting the homeworld where all the ingredients are readily available as shipping to the far corners of the galaxy is probably expensive and there is not adequate supply to go around. There may be scotch distilleries on Earth, but it is something that relatively few in the far flung Federation (After all many human Federation citizens likely have never been to Earth or lived without a replicator handy in a century or more) have ever tasted and there is likely far more demand than the maker can ever meet and keep the quality the same. Along the same line, it could depend on what the bar has chosen as its brand of scotch. For instance is it a replicator pattern of a very well made high quality single malt scotch or just a run of the mill blended scotch. Also, on a military vessel like a Federation starship its possible that the alcohol is intentionally not very good to discourage people drinking it much.
@@kentvesser9484 I agree the Scotch pattern on the Enterprise might just be bad. When Troi requests real chocolate, as shown in the video, the computer says the stuff is chosen based on nutritional value. If you do that with alchohol it may just end up bad. I imagine that is not the case for civilian replicators, since Starfleet has crews out for years facing all sorts of dangers and they need to stay in peak health, but civilians, who cares. I used to think there might be a market for unique foods on Earth, but I realized it is incompatible with the Utopian concept of elimination of greed and acquisitional materialism. Instead, I believe a bottle of Chateau Picard is something both limited and freely available. If you are a retro grouch who desires "real" food made from hand at every step, or are looking for an experience you join Chateau Picard like joining a food co-op. You provide labor in the process, and at harvest time you receive a box of wine bottles of the vintage you assisted with. If you don't care about the philosophical realness of the food, nor the experience, a replicator pattern of every vintage gets made which is freely available. For off world brands, that probably does get into economic questions, since only Earth seems to be specifically moneyless. In those cases perhaps Earth has a deal where the government pays for trademark rights to create replicator patterns usable only on Earth. Or, everyone has an amount of money which can be used for off-world goods.
IIRC, the synthahol they drink differs from regular ethanol-based alcohol in that humans and most other species can metabolize it quicker so drunkenness is less of a problem. It likely doesn’t give as much of a buzz which may be what Scotty objects to.
To the "same thing every day" problem. Just throw in an element of randomness to each meal, each day. Doesn't have to be a huge difference. Change the textures a bit and tweak the spices. If we can have random playlists on tiny mp3 players, then that machine should be able to tweak a menu enough to make it seem realistic. You can even see that it has that randomness already because when someone asks for two identical meals, they'll still look different (carrots laid out differently, etc). If it's such a common complaint then the people who make food replicators and design the meals are obviously not doing their job properly.
@@Astro4545 They're always eating something that's produced in a healthy manner, from what I understand. Nothing that would extend beyond the regulation provided to Starfleet. Which heavily limits what they can 'order' and what the order will taste like.
Riker cooking with replicated ingredients pretty much points to that being the issue, not the replicator doesn't make (or isn't capable of making) perfect, delicious food.
Basically a transporter is a very fancy replicator from what I understand. You are scanned at one end torn apart atomically and then re-assembled at the other end based on that scan. Kind of like how a carrot is scanned once, and then re-synthesized from atoms based on that scan with a replicator.
@@kentvesser9484 Except we see in the Barclay episode "Realm of Fear" that's not the case. The person remains fully conscious and capable of interacting with their environment while in the stream. Of course that also runs afoul of other things we've seen the transporter do as well.
The transporter has the data stream as the primary priority and the matter stream as the secondary priority. It will use replicated matter as a replacement for any losses in the matter stream. Otherwise the two Will Rikers would have each had only half of the total mass. Possibly dying of malnutrition.
You missed the scene with Weyoun and Odo in the runabout ... Weyoun's observation he couldn't taste the actual foods but that human foods have "lot's of texture"
3:38 - "So the Captain man-handled me, telling me to give him brandy... And then he drank it with a predatory look in his eye... So all's normal, I guess."
@@RRW359 In std shorttreks its said that tribbles are altered to superbreed after some (human) dna has been added. Its against canon and they play a ship being lost and a crew member killed off as a joke.
The problem is the resolution at which the replicator creates the food and drink: it's orders of magnitude less precise than the resolution at which, say, a transporter holds a person's pattern at for transport. The transporter can only hold that pattern for a short time, however, so it's entirely impractical to do that for food. It's like real food being 1080p, and replicators can only do 480 at most. If replicators could be made to be more precise, with some variance to make each meal slightly different and not just a total copy, these complaints would vanish.
@Connection Lost You're just wrong on this issue, full stop. I'm pretty sure at some point there's a scene where the resolution issues with transporters and replicators is explained, but even if it isn't the related materials such as technical guides (which are canon) explain that current Federation technology can't hold a pattern complicated enough to hold a complete pattern of a replicated item at the resolution high enough to pass muster for a discerning tongue; the only reason that transporters can work at that level of fidelity is because they have a pattern buffer that can hold such a complex pattern... but only for a short time. That's why holding someone in a transporter beam is dangerous and rarely done, because if the pattern in the buffer begins to degrade, you might only get a Cronenberg nightmare to rematerialize if you're lucky.
@@LabTech41 That and the replicator will produce the exact same meal every single time. It also, from Troi's request, won't produce junk food accurately. It'll make all the recipes 'healthy,' which defeats the point. Sort of like how you can tell artificial sweeteners are in a product, it's still 'sweet,' but there's something off.
Well, an older transporter did hold Scotty's pattern for 65 years, with minimal degradation. You simply can't get something done properly without a REAL engineer, I guess.
@eedd sdsd Well, considering we have self-heating foods,mass food processing into ready-to-eat versions,Japan's vending machine restaurant and 3D printers,I suppose it may be inevitable that in the far future real cooked food is going to be even more expensive than those in Michelin-starred restaurants.
The problem with replicated food is that it lacks terroir. Because the ingredients are replicated from a molecular “recipe”, they lack all the subtle differences you’d get from the soil, the water, etc. that depend entirely on the region in which it’s grown. This is why wines have certain notes to it and can vary so much from one place to the next. Even spring water has flavor differences depending on where it came from - different mineral content in the rocks and such.
Im pretty sure after kirk gets taken over or influenced pretty much every week they just put a sign up saying "xx days since last incident". They are probably more on edge if he ever acts normal. :p
Season 1, Episode 4: "The enemy within" memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_(episode) This was just before the Evil Kirk tried to Rape Yeoman Rand. It was the first time, so they were not yet on guard.
@@christopherg2347 I assumed it was evil kirk, I just couldn't remember WHICH evil kirk, as it seemed like something as minor as overcast skies turned kirk evil.
@@rich1051414 Kirk *wakes up with a Headache* : "What was it this Time, Mr, Spock? Possession by an evil Alien? A behavior altering Virus? A Ghost? Mind control?" Spock: "No Captain. You drank too much Brandy last Night."
it makes sense that the replicator can't do food and fermented, malted, or aged spirits too good but distilled alcohols come out okay (it can do gin and vodka but not whisky or beer). food has a lot of stuff in it that makes it kind of dangerous? like, you have a gut biome because food is inherently dangerous. the replicator is going to take that stuff out. the problem is you'd have to choose (or maybe have some kind of gut-flora pill you have to take before you eat any real food), because if you spent too long eating only replicator food, the bacteria in your intestines would lose the ability to process real food. you'd be on the toilet with food poisoning for your whole shore leave.
That is the best, or rather, the only actual explanation that makes sense to me so far. Something that can replicate a working weapon, or any chemicals, and objects, should have no problem creating food that is indistinguishable from the real one. A replicated protein molecule should not be different from the one in an actual steak. Unless it specifically been told to remove anything "unhealthy", not just possible microbes, but toxins/excess nutrients.
It's cobblers anyway - Transporter malfunctions replicate living human beings, and replicators are essentially the same tech, so if it can make a living person, and it can make complete inert matter, then it should be able to make composites of the two (such as a living person and their clothing when teleporting). The reason replicators can't make perfect food? Makes for a convenient plot point when they want it, like a lot of Star Trek technology!
Not necessarily true. Voyager had limited supplies as they couldn't rely solely on replicated foods and had rations. Around this time, there must be something more to the replicators that needed some amount of conservation for extra long voyages. Methinks it's exactly what you described: living flora that couldn't be replicated. It's how those replicator gel packs could eventually go bad (the flora inside would grow too large and either become toxic or dead from overpopulation.
@@ishoottheyscore8970 Yep, and this "replicator food is inferior because they taste the same" is completely nonsense, we taste food for consistency and familiarity, not surprises. When I go to ramen shop, I want my noodle to taste exactly as how I enjoyed it last time, every coca cola I drank has the same flavour, you don't see me complaining, in fact I will always drink more coke because I want to re-experience the same flavour as last time.
As a Home Cook I know it’d be really great to have a replicator when I’m too tired but I’d still love to try making a home cooked meal every few days just to spice things up. One thing I’ve thought about regarding replicator food is that you can replicate specific ingredients that would be illegal/hard to get. Fresh vegetables with replicated meat for example
Deanna Troi's clip seem to suggest that part of the problem is that the replicator only does healthy amounts of food. In normal circumstances, anyway. So if you ask for more then your daily allowance of sugar, it wont give it to you. And instead do some kind of sweet substitute.
Well, not healthy amounts, but healthy food as a whole. Deanna wanted real chocolate cause she is tired of the replicated one, but since Starfleet regulations requires healthy food, the replicator does exactly that, replicates the chocolate but without it being real unhealthy chocolate.
@@izuela7677 The key word there is amount. Even if you ask the replicator for a little spoonful of real chocolate Ice cream, in an amount that wont be unhealthy for you, it still wont give It to you per starfleet rules.
I always figured it was in their heads. They think "real food" tastes better so they make themselves think replicated food doesn't taste as good. SImilar to the whole "organic" food thing going on currently.
A lot of times organic food does taste better but it doesn't have really anything to do with the fact that it's organic. They are just grown or raised under different circumstances which change the taste and texture.
Some other replicator things: In the pilot of Voyager Tom Paris orders tomato soup and the computer gives him a lot of varieties to choose from and he just wanted plain hot tomato soup. In an episode of tng someone orders water or cold water and the computer asks for specific temperature. And there are lots of other replicator clips.
Yes. The computer was not full filling their request because it was instead bogging them down with counter-requests for specifics! That is how computers get broken! And, more importantly, how people's fists get injured! 😒
I particularly liked the one in Voyager where the replicator in Janeway's ready room was malfunctioning. She ordered coffee and it replicated the coffee... and then the cup, causing a huge mess.
Answer: The uncanny valley... sort of.... Replicator does a perfect well "replication" too perfect.... We are wired to feel, see, hear subtelty. Just like we can see the variations we can see the lack of it. Too perfect is too strange. Analog deviation is hard to program!
I've often wondered what Star Fleet officers are in charge of studying a culture's cuisine and programming them into a replicator. I imagine they have to fix the dish from scratch, then scan it in. And it probably bugs them to no end, because they like cooking.
the easiest way would be to us a transporter to get the pattern. de-materialize, safe pattern in the database (cause it's way simpler than a whole body) and link it to the replicators
Probably exobiological nutritionists. I imagine anything that goes into the replicator database would require certain kinds of certification to ensure no health dangers amongst different species. This could be quite troubling if you think about it. There might be some algorithms involved where if a certain species makes a request to replicator terminal of a food type that would kill them, then the replicator won't produce it without commanding officer approval.
I would think replicated food might be bland because it’s replicator pattern has been compressed/optimized for storage in the computer - like simplifying a 3D model. I imagine an extremely high resolution reproduction of chicken or carrots would involve a huge amount of data. Storing a generic cooked carrot ‘pointer’ would make the recipes much smaller.
Recipes also may be a big deal if they were created by a chef that demands compensation, so the terminal will not produce it. Take, for instance, an olive garden breadstick. Those have a unique extremely tasty quality to it. Want it replicated in the 24th century? Nope, not without compensation to its pattern copyright owner and since Starfleet doesn't use money that won't fly. Instead, you can get an "equivalent" breadstick replicated but just like an "equivalent" in the real world, it tastes nothing like the same and so quite a disappointment.
I finally figured out why all the cooking in Star Trek was so terrible. They've lost the skills. God what a dystopian hellhole. That's why Sisko's jambalaya looked like it came from a can, it probably did. I gotta get frozen so I can be revived in the future and teach people how to Make Food Great Again!
@@tareqn.gaming1622 What cracks me up is... that 'tribbles' cereal commercial ! I see a few problems. 1... Do you shave them BEFORE OR AFTER you dunk them in milk ? 2... Aren't you supposed to kill & cook the bloody things FIRST ?? 3... If you don't do #2.... how do you get past the squeaks when you bite down on them ??? Sushi ain't got nothing on that !! I'll keep my cornflakes... Thanks !
@@Onemadgnome-ls2wq no you see it's simple. All you have to do is shave them, then you crush them. Then you lick the bloody remains off the floor panels.
It just occurred to me, Data in canon has met the entire command crew of the OG Enterprise EXCEPT Kirk, only Picard beat his to the full set because of the movie.
Desecration only occurs with cultures that think a corpse still has value. Cultures that don't see it as having value can't desecrate a body. Why do you think humanity requires a will of the decedent to officially stipulate, in legal, notarized terms, prior to their deaths, that their body will be left to science?
"Computer. I would like a Real chocolate." **Computer** "I would like a real body, so I can leave these stupid nonsensical requests. But I am neither a Genie or a Magician." **Sits there; puzzled** "One full course Oxygen meal, coming up."
Sojourner- A fan star trek story Lieutenant Commander Allen cooks his food and is very great at it often hosts card games or board games when off duty and has a fine taste for Bourbon whiskey smokes a cigar occasionally in his quarters. The year is 2270.01
One problem though, while the idea of replication is long known to them, there has been apocryphal data to show that the food is actually from living matter and that it is algal based. So that does qualify as living. It's molecular structure is broken down and rearranged to form the desired food. However, I think the real problem is that while it can reproduce the substance, it cannot replicate it's complex organic flavor and texture. Like carob makes artificial chocolate, looks like it, kind of tastes like it, but it isn't the same. Spices and herbs are also complex so how can it be real? It can't, it's just an imitation as it relies on a low bit transporter with lots of errors.
Food is food. The problem is it being the same perfect pattern every time. Growing up with that you would notice all the slight differences. They should have people submit lots of patterns for foods to have variation. 🤔
@Jake Sangria But, It's never exactly the same. There are tons of variables during prep in play. Do you try everything on the menu just because or do you go with your favorites? I've had similar burgers, but never the exact same burger for as long as I've lived. From what we've seen in Trek it's just single patterns for everything unless you custom and most don't. For most foods it doesn't matter, but you would be able to tell. Folks can do that now with fresh vs frozen/canned.🤔
I disagree, every tub of vanilla Ben and Jerry ice cream should taste exactly the same, I've never heard anyone want their next tub to "surprise" them with different flavour. .
@@baishihua Who said completely different? 🤣 Apples taste like apples, but each one is different. A pattern apple is the same every time. It's an experience that's not natural to us. Their tastes buds have evolved to detect it.
This is ridiculous, treating life like it's something more than matter and it's arrangement, like it's a mysterious substance that can't be replicated... Besides, teleporters basically "create" life all the time
@@NitpickingNerd Actually no, you cannot. Physics prevents to make exact copies of the quantum state of anything. However, you can circumvent that physical problem by altering the quantum state of the source. Hence teleportation might be possible, while exact quantum copies are pretty much confirmed to be impossible.
3:15, it had been established in the second season episode "Up The Long Ladder", that the replicators could make real alcohol. There was no reason for Guinan to have only a limited supply of the real stuff. The question is, how does replicated whiskey, with real alcohol, compare to expertly distilled, lovingly blended, well aged, twelve year old whiskey?
@@hanshawks5088 A lot really, a lot. If all you want to do is get drunk, buy some Everclear and go off by yourself. I drink more for the taste and the aroma. It's like food. Plain oatmeal will get the job done, but if I can have prime rib and a baked potato, and a glass of small batch bourbon, I'll take it.
I was wondering if they would show Riker cooking lol. Also I didn't realize until last week that Keiko is the same actress who played Klingers girlfriend in MASH.
Wonder if the Replicators are programmed to monitor your diet and limit your choices of unhealthy food. Imagine if you ordered a steak and the machine told you it won’t do it, you’re assigned salad. Kinda creepy when you think about it.
The expanded literature goes back and forth on the subject. Some indicate that blind tests showed the average consumer couldn't identify the difference between replicated and naturally prepared meals. Meanwhile, other novels indicated that it was the uniformity between of the two servings of replicated meals that seemed to give them away.
You know what gives food it's flavor, fat, take that away and you lose a lot of flavor. I'd imagine replicated food wouldn't have fat in it so Eddington is right, the chicken stock in the replicated chicken and rice wouldn't taste the same as homemade chicken stock cooked with chicken bones, carrots and celery that has simmered for several hours. Another thing that adds to flavor is salt. I'd imagine salt would be cut out of their diet as well so again homemade chicken and rice would no doubt be seasoned with salt and pepper. Lastly, if there's no alcohol, which we know isn't entirely true, but for the purpose of this argument let's say not everyone is carrying around bottles of Chateau Picard all of the time, then the replicator, again is not going to infuse that chicken and rice with white wine for instance. Never mind the amount of fats and wines that goes into creole food that Sisko's dad would use in his restaurant.
@@ShumaniTatankaOwachi You said replicated food wouldn't have fat in it. I guess to even begin to replicate some foods it would have to have fat. Or a fat substitute. Maybe the synthetic fat substitute doesn't have much flavor.
@@Yusuke_Denton Correct, it would be like using splenda instead of sugar or corn syrup. It probably would taste fine, but nothing like homemade. Imagine if the only hamburger you ever had was from McDonald's, then one day your friend invites you over for BBQ and he/she made the burgers from scratch. You'd never want McDonald's ever again.
The stigma against "fat" is a relatively recent trend. Processed sugar (the real short-term health destroyer), along with salt, were added to compensate. Fat is not the only thing to give food flavor. Plenty of fresh foods have no fat and are full of flavor. Fat also isn't unhealthful. In fact it's necessary, but, like sugar, it's the state it come in that matters. Any processed (extracted) sugar or extracted or animal fat isn't metabolized properly.
I always figured the replicator had variances in its quality, making some things accurate and some things off depending on what its replicating. Not to mention I would presume there are different types of replication processes which would account for the quality differences between ships/stations/shuttle pods. IE shuttlepod replicators would be more efficient and therefore not as "creative"; or ship replicators being programmed to only provide certain nutrients to keep the team healthy and such. They also show that you can presumably program your replicators (Daj had a sad bland menu); and that even if you request certain items you can still create something tasty if you bake or cook it (like Riker in TNG or Maddox in ST:Picard) ....or we can just acknowledge that this is a fantasy show with spaceships and laser beams and it will always be inconsistent since it isn't real LMAO
Replicators are a double-edged sword. They're able to replicate (with seemingly very little energy and/or material) countless meal varieties with nutritional value at the expense of exquisite taste and flare, but you have eliminated world-hunger and possibly reduced over-harvesting natural resources, which in my opinion, is the better deal. A good comparison is like saying typing is way more efficient method of written communication and less paper waste, but handwritten letters have more personality and flare. People embrace new, efficient styles but of course still have an appreciation to the old ways.
I never realized that Scotty callback in TNG even though I had watched TOS and TNG in sequence like twice over the last few years. That made this whole video worth it.
2:40 Maybe in season 1 of TNG the food from replicators was real or the guy was lying maybe the replicators was changed like Picard was after season 1.
Remember, he had been frozen for 200 or 300 years. In that time, the science / art of "Food and Drink Preparation" had probably advanced. So, something that would taste bland and ordinary to them, would be especially tasty to him.
I am loving all of the conversations in the comments? Discussing ideas on why the replicators create bland food on a scientific level, and coming up with suggestions to fix it. That’s pure wholesomeness.
Is it that they are discussing, at a scientific level, a fictional technology? Or is it that the limitations on that fictional technology that they are trying to overcome are purely a plot device for the authors?
Shatner wore a girdle through the entire show. Especially in the movies. Jonathan Frakes is large, also. Mary Wiseman (Tilly) on Discovery is also overweight, but then, the actress recently had a baby.
Ah yes. Reminds me of Mum's most excellent polystyrene beef roast with styromolded button mushrooms, Mylar film onions and brown mucopolysaccharoid gravy, just done to a turn for perfect mouth feel...
"Computer I would like chocolate ice cream, one that tastes real...". It reminds me of how we ask ChatGPT for something that sounds like it was made by a human
Why not food cooked in a microwave oven tastes different than baked food, even though they have the same molecular structure. Replicated food would be even more different and thus _taste_ even more different.
Two apples from the same tree vary in flavour, the same for two apple pies cooked in the oven. Replicated food would always taste the same which, I guess, gets very boring with time.
I just came back to America for winter vacation and I saw this at Burger King and asked the person at the register what this "Impossible Whopper" was. After she explained it to me, I decided to get a regular cheeseburger.
Intrepid74656 ...Think about what you just said for a moment. It is basically a chemically engineered and factory processed plant matter, made to look like a beef patty. It tastes like plastic as well. Yeah, yeah, I get that the beef patty is processed too, but it started out as beef and ended up as (and tastes like) beef.
@@Zorro9129 your phallus will atrophy and rot off if you eat 12 Impossible Burgers. Those that don't experience this weren't real men in the first place.
@Intrepid74656 I doubt this, but I'll give it a try if it's on the menu next time I'm near a BK. I'll be sure to report back here. The only thing that makes this sound remotely possible is that the beef in whopper's probably doesn't have natural taste to begin with.
I always wondered about that with their replicators. I knew it wasn't as good and just figured it was like a ,"nothing beats the real thing". Guess I was right all along. Just never knew why exactly.
Thats why you have to overload the teleporter to realy eat. Imagine being the last man on a ship with the only source of food and company being your teleporter image and your ability to cook on shorted conduit.
I never knew the TNG line “it is green” was an homage to the original series. VERY cool.
Neither did I . very cool though
Same. That’s awesome.
VERY COOL. VERY COOL.
Very cool.
Word?!
I had no idea that "it's green" was a callback to a previous episode, with the same guy...
I had seen both episodes before but never got it till now.
I knew there was something familiar about the TNG.
@@Scyllax Same I never put the two together
Me too! That's one of my favorite Data one liners, and I had no clue it was a callback to TOS. That explains Scotty's hilarious reaction 😂
wow.. that is so cool. I love TNG.
"Klingon War Nog"
Klingons just love adding the word 'war' to everything don't they?
Klingon birthparents don't go into "labour," their baby declares war on the uterus.
They're a stereotypical warrior culture made by people who don't understand war or culture.
Racing war car; house of war cat, hair war stylist; under war pants; Star War Wars; She wars she-whores by the war wharf; In today’s after war special, Binky the cuddly war walrus teaches the young war children about war, featuring a very special guest: WAAAARRR!!
Klingon at zoo, "show me the war thogs"
Klingon at psychiatrist - war y of letting their guard down
Klingon's choice for president - Elizabeth Warrin'
War! And blood! And honor!
Basically a dietitian's dream, while a food connoisseur's nightmare.
Anyone that understands how chemistry and a replicator would work if it was possible to synthesize foods like a transporter would know that replicated food would taste essentially the same as non replicated food provided you get the molecular arrangements and the exact molecules right.the idea replicated food tastes bland or different is just something the writers who didn't understand much about chemistry threw in.
@@davidt8087 I always made the case that the reason Trek characters thought it was "bland" or something similar to that is because the replicator "cooked" the same chicken breast the EXACT same a million times while a trained chefs kitchen never Exactly cooks the dish the same way. It might be a tiny bit off with the seasoning or something like that.
You could also make the case that the writers took influence from the old TV Dinners vs. Freshly prepared cooked food Debate. :)
@@Brando501st Yea it could be true. Also, grills make barbeque meat smokey, and oveens cook evenly. A replicator doesnt heat it just arranges the molecules in order so its possibly without heating it tastes "dry" as well
@@davidt8087 That's a great point. How does the replicator "cook" food? Perhaps it cooks it in a way like a Microwave where it frictions the food molecules a little bit before fully replicating it to make it feel hot. Also, off topic, I've found it weird that it seems that there's no refrigeration tech slightly shown or mentioned. Like in Quarks bar, Worf has to tell Quark, "Prune Juice, Chilled". So is everyone else used to drinking room temperature alcohol? 🍺😝
@Julen Artano Garin That's not true either. You can weigh and measure out the same recipe of cookies yet both can come out fundamentally different. There are slight variations that are not exactly factored in on replicated food. From the quality of the milk, butter, flour, and eggs, to the density and filtration of salt, vanilla, or other myriad of spices. A Replicator would molecularity function as a perfect copy of every ingredient, fine tuned for dietary need. Meaning the cookie may taste delicious and after the 100th cookie it'd be the same. Yet eating two cookies, hand made with non-replicated ingredients will have different tastes.
The problem with replicated food is that it will always taste the same, that means it can get bland and boring after a while. Another problem is Starfleet's insistence on only dispensing healthy meals. That limits the quality (and taste) of the copy.
But hey that means people are living more healthily
@@iceomistar4302 Give me liberty or give me death. I'll take heart disease over boredom any day.
@@Mcrawf21 such wise words
@@Mcrawf21 In the future ALL food will be replicated AND Vegan.
You will have liberty to eat that or NOTHING!
@@jonothandoeser You people sound like the Borg.
Poor Troi. It must also sting just a little bit more that the computer sounds just like her nagging mother.
It would be funny if the computer calls her little one.
I see what you did there😏
fun fact: the computer IS voiced by the same lady that plays her mother.
@@josteinlorentsen8239 that was the point of the comment
I read a Star Trek fanfic a looooong time ago, one of the characters theorized that replicated food doesn’t taste as well as grown and cooked stuff because of how their isn’t as much randomization of both the ingredient elements and the cooking itself, whereas replicated matter is too universally formed and orderly.
Can’t remember what it was called, damn shame too, because it was a GOOD one.
Some food items - like coffee - contain thousands of chemical compounds, such as oils, antioxidants, vitamins and so on. A replicator would probably produce food with a drastically reduced complexity, resulting in a bland taste.
That feels like a pretty easy problem to fix, have the computer randomize measurements within certain parameters so it spits out a mildly different dish each time.
@@spyrofan9681 I agree. It seems like you could just ask the computer to adjust certain parameters
@@johnmartinez9220 Tea, Earl Grey, Hot with a variation of 3 degrees.
Spyro Fan in the first season Riker says the replicated foods are made from transporter patterns, but even before that we have an episode with a drug which cannot be replicated. Rather than a sheer number of chemicals being a limit the limit might be in the complexity of a single molecule, or the drug has a living component.
I'm a connoisseur of green. A fine choice...
2525 was a great year for green.
I always order a glass of Green when I order top shelf.
Green is my favorite color ;)
You would think that there would be randomized built in lines of code to attempt to make the food closer to being real.
That's actually Romulan blood mate😈
It's why I like the Enterprise series. It shows star trek when tech was new or not available to star trek, they even had a cook and proper food.
I thought Enterprise was shit,,, then Discovery and Picard came out. I've been slowly rectifying my stance on Enterprise....
Nothing like a bunch of leaves in your epidermis to make one appreciate the preciseness of an annular confinement beam. Or just a friggin shuttle, theyd be safe to travel in if they ever had plot armor.
Inconsistent though. If Replicators existed on Enterprise, then why was Scotty, whom was from post-Enterprise chronologically, surprised when he drank the replicated scotch? His reaction should have been more like, "Waaaggh...Synthehol Scotch? Don't you have the real stuff?" as soon as he tasted it. Replicators weren't invented between TOS and TNG. But Enterprise was written later, meaning that is where the writers went inconsistent. Am I missing something?
@@gengoosekhan Synthahol isn't replicated alcohol, it is not alcohol at all. It's a different chemical that has the taste of alcohol but doesn't get you drunk. It has nothing to do with the replicators.
@@sneed457
Thanks, wasn't sure about that. So, replicators were around already, but synthehol wasn't. I think that it'd be the other way around realistically, but if thats how it was in the ST timeline then it works. Seems to me the synthehol would have been invented first between the two.
Where's Weyoun from DS9 eating pizza and sampling all replicator menu
replicators always get the textures correct
Replicated food tastes like the best version of real food. Check your facts. Check TNG first replicator episodes.
@@rollerbladinggeek5507 TNG is Federation propaganda. Of course they say that.
@@rollerbladinggeek5507 if that's the case, why did Riker cook food & told them "better than replicator."
Rudofaux because after Gene Roddenberry died, other people made creative decisions and the utopian future gradually disappeared
The real ingredient is the absolute terror each living cell excretes before and after death.
Death.....is only the beginning
That's why cat tastes better skinned alive than killed first. (Or so I'm told...)
@@c182SkylaneRG what? Care to elaborate I am curious.
@@Tokmurok I have a cousin who was stationed in Korea for a year. He tells me that they skin the cats alive, because the adrenaline gives the meat a unique flavor. The longer the cat lives (the more adrenaline is released), the more expensive the meat.
@c182SkylaneRG That is extremely unethical, I sincerely hope anyone who supports such an idiotic practice has the same done to them.
McCoy: it's green
Data: it's green
Kermit: it's not easy being green
Commander Montgomery McCoy?
Data: It is green.
Data can't use contractions
Data said it is green. He does not usually use contractions.
Shepard: It's green...
Turian Bartender: And guaranteed to knock you on your ass. Or if you are dextro-DNA like me, it'll kill you.
@@Chasedtuna9 🤣
"I said gimme the brandy!"
[McCoy starts playing 'Brandy (You're a Fine Girl')]
That song does not exist yet. It was only written 217 years ago, so I don't know any song that hasn't been written yet.
Brandy : the band "LOOKING GLASS"
McCoy: DAMNIT JIM, I'M A DOCTOR, NOT A MUSICIAN!
It's like eating instant noodles everyday then, but it only kills you with depression instead of hypertension + depression...
As someone who has eaten nothing but instant noodles everyday I can confirm that with time it tastes like sadness itself. Thankfully it's versatile so you can do alot with it to make it taste new and fresh.
It's funny how most of the complaints seem to be about replicators being too perfect, with only a few of them being about the results being inferior. I suspect Scotty's objection to the synth-Scotch is a result of the recipe just being supremely generic. I also suspect the replicator has exceptional recipes, but that even the best stuff gets boring through over familiarity.
I think synthehol must be an exception to this replicator discussion. It's an entirely different thing to alcohol, replicated or not. Since it's not real we can't even guess if people can "really" tell the difference or not.
Zabe alternatively, based on Data’s guess they can tell the difference, and the 21st century guy who had the martini just likes the taste like some people like artificial sweeteners, even though they’re actually gross.
@@Yusuke_Denton Yeah, there are likely very few manufacturers of real alcohol or food around and those that still exist are probably a very expensive luxury niche product unless you are visiting the homeworld where all the ingredients are readily available as shipping to the far corners of the galaxy is probably expensive and there is not adequate supply to go around. There may be scotch distilleries on Earth, but it is something that relatively few in the far flung Federation (After all many human Federation citizens likely have never been to Earth or lived without a replicator handy in a century or more) have ever tasted and there is likely far more demand than the maker can ever meet and keep the quality the same. Along the same line, it could depend on what the bar has chosen as its brand of scotch. For instance is it a replicator pattern of a very well made high quality single malt scotch or just a run of the mill blended scotch. Also, on a military vessel like a Federation starship its possible that the alcohol is intentionally not very good to discourage people drinking it much.
@@kentvesser9484 I agree the Scotch pattern on the Enterprise might just be bad. When Troi requests real chocolate, as shown in the video, the computer says the stuff is chosen based on nutritional value. If you do that with alchohol it may just end up bad. I imagine that is not the case for civilian replicators, since Starfleet has crews out for years facing all sorts of dangers and they need to stay in peak health, but civilians, who cares.
I used to think there might be a market for unique foods on Earth, but I realized it is incompatible with the Utopian concept of elimination of greed and acquisitional materialism. Instead, I believe a bottle of Chateau Picard is something both limited and freely available. If you are a retro grouch who desires "real" food made from hand at every step, or are looking for an experience you join Chateau Picard like joining a food co-op. You provide labor in the process, and at harvest time you receive a box of wine bottles of the vintage you assisted with. If you don't care about the philosophical realness of the food, nor the experience, a replicator pattern of every vintage gets made which is freely available.
For off world brands, that probably does get into economic questions, since only Earth seems to be specifically moneyless. In those cases perhaps Earth has a deal where the government pays for trademark rights to create replicator patterns usable only on Earth. Or, everyone has an amount of money which can be used for off-world goods.
IIRC, the synthahol they drink differs from regular ethanol-based alcohol in that humans and most other species can metabolize it quicker so drunkenness is less of a problem. It likely doesn’t give as much of a buzz which may be what Scotty objects to.
To the "same thing every day" problem. Just throw in an element of randomness to each meal, each day. Doesn't have to be a huge difference. Change the textures a bit and tweak the spices. If we can have random playlists on tiny mp3 players, then that machine should be able to tweak a menu enough to make it seem realistic. You can even see that it has that randomness already because when someone asks for two identical meals, they'll still look different (carrots laid out differently, etc).
If it's such a common complaint then the people who make food replicators and design the meals are obviously not doing their job properly.
Firebird my question is are they eating the same meal? Like you have thousands of dishes to eat surely they’re not all the same
@@Astro4545 They're always eating something that's produced in a healthy manner, from what I understand. Nothing that would extend beyond the regulation provided to Starfleet. Which heavily limits what they can 'order' and what the order will taste like.
Riker cooking with replicated ingredients pretty much points to that being the issue, not the replicator doesn't make (or isn't capable of making) perfect, delicious food.
EXACTLY
Does it replicate spices? And flavourings? Wouldn't that make bland synthesized meals tasty? Or worst case replicate msg?
That feeling when Shatner breaks character on screen cause he wants a damn drink.
Never thought about replicating a humanoid body. Now I'm wondering if it's legal to eat replicated human in the Federation, rofl
Basically a transporter is a very fancy replicator from what I understand. You are scanned at one end torn apart atomically and then re-assembled at the other end based on that scan. Kind of like how a carrot is scanned once, and then re-synthesized from atoms based on that scan with a replicator.
There are two Rikers wandering around because of a transporter malfunction.
I think the holodecks run on a similar idea.
@@kentvesser9484 Except we see in the Barclay episode "Realm of Fear" that's not the case. The person remains fully conscious and capable of interacting with their environment while in the stream. Of course that also runs afoul of other things we've seen the transporter do as well.
The transporter has the data stream as the primary priority and the matter stream as the secondary priority. It will use replicated matter as a replacement for any losses in the matter stream. Otherwise the two Will Rikers would have each had only half of the total mass. Possibly dying of malnutrition.
@@kentvesser9484
basically a transporter is a a glorified suicide booth
That green alcohol drink homage with Scott in TNG was so heartwarming. Thank you for editing it together. 🖖
you know it was just green fruit juice.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You missed the scene with Weyoun and Odo in the runabout ... Weyoun's observation he couldn't taste the actual foods but that human foods have "lot's of texture"
3:38 - "So the Captain man-handled me, telling me to give him brandy... And then he drank it with a predatory look in his eye... So all's normal, I guess."
@Homelander ahahahaha! Nice!
It was the 60’s pretty sure everyone was like that
What I want to know is why does McCoy have brandy in sickbay!
Sooo we're not gonna talk about the hilarious Tribble Cereal commercial just jammed in there?
I lost my ever lobing SHIT there!!! XD
For sure that's one of the sordid "short treks"
What the hell was that??
Cyber Demon the what?
That looked like a STD uniform. I haven't yet seen season 2, but please
PLEASE
P L E A S E
tell me that's some kind of parody and not in the show.
@@RRW359 In std shorttreks its said that tribbles are altered to superbreed after some (human) dna has been added. Its against canon and they play a ship being lost and a crew member killed off as a joke.
The problem is the resolution at which the replicator creates the food and drink: it's orders of magnitude less precise than the resolution at which, say, a transporter holds a person's pattern at for transport. The transporter can only hold that pattern for a short time, however, so it's entirely impractical to do that for food. It's like real food being 1080p, and replicators can only do 480 at most.
If replicators could be made to be more precise, with some variance to make each meal slightly different and not just a total copy, these complaints would vanish.
thank you for answering that question... omg this actually makes sense in star trek universe
I think it's all in their heads. It's a metaphor for a microwave.
@Connection Lost You're just wrong on this issue, full stop. I'm pretty sure at some point there's a scene where the resolution issues with transporters and replicators is explained, but even if it isn't the related materials such as technical guides (which are canon) explain that current Federation technology can't hold a pattern complicated enough to hold a complete pattern of a replicated item at the resolution high enough to pass muster for a discerning tongue; the only reason that transporters can work at that level of fidelity is because they have a pattern buffer that can hold such a complex pattern... but only for a short time. That's why holding someone in a transporter beam is dangerous and rarely done, because if the pattern in the buffer begins to degrade, you might only get a Cronenberg nightmare to rematerialize if you're lucky.
@@LabTech41 That and the replicator will produce the exact same meal every single time. It also, from Troi's request, won't produce junk food accurately. It'll make all the recipes 'healthy,' which defeats the point. Sort of like how you can tell artificial sweeteners are in a product, it's still 'sweet,' but there's something off.
Well, an older transporter did hold Scotty's pattern for 65 years, with minimal degradation. You simply can't get something done properly without a REAL engineer, I guess.
Don't forget Picard's brother's wife making home-made soup at the vineyard.
And home made wine.
"It is green."
Got to remember that next time I order top shelf.
@Matthew Hopkins A wee bit too late for that advise lad.
Try Midori. The liqueur or the ice skater.
Catch the wave?
Pisang Ambon, it's green and when mixed with milk it tastes like a pear milkshake...but with alcohol.
LOL! Never noticed the voice in the Troi scene. It's basically her mom telling her to watch her weight!
I must have missed the episode of TOS that dealt with Captain Kirk's drinking problem.
Well, he (sort of) had a drinking problem in "The Enemy Within" (as seen in Major Grin's video).
It might have been similar to Ted Striker's on Airplane that Kirk learned of when he went back through time to command the moonbase.
@@kentvesser9484 LOL. Yes, I can imagine Kirk having Striker's drinking problem in "The Deadly Years" when his hands began to shake. :D
I believe it's from that episode where Kirk gets split by the transporter into good Kirk and bad Kirk. Guess which one that was...
@@Xerxes2005 Obviously good Kirk.
"She cooked?!" .......I will weep the day when that is the default reaction to hearing that someone cooks.
@eedd sdsd not if i can do anything about it
Doesn't Voyager has Neelix as a cook too?
@eedd sdsd Well, considering we have self-heating foods,mass food processing into ready-to-eat versions,Japan's vending machine restaurant and 3D printers,I suppose it may be inevitable that in the far future real cooked food is going to be even more expensive than those in Michelin-starred restaurants.
@@Vashthestampede967 ST Fed still have chefs you know. It is just rare.
The problem with replicated food is that it lacks terroir. Because the ingredients are replicated from a molecular “recipe”, they lack all the subtle differences you’d get from the soil, the water, etc. that depend entirely on the region in which it’s grown. This is why wines have certain notes to it and can vary so much from one place to the next. Even spring water has flavor differences depending on where it came from - different mineral content in the rocks and such.
I imagine with subsequent enhancements, they could maybe get it right. The Binoids would help a lot.
Also cooking methods change tastes. I would go insane to eat replicated food.
lol it turned creepy af at the end
Im pretty sure after kirk gets taken over or influenced pretty much every week they just put a sign up saying "xx days since last incident".
They are probably more on edge if he ever acts normal. :p
@@XRichardUptonPickman That's Data on TNG. And sometimes Troi.
Season 1, Episode 4: "The enemy within"
memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_(episode)
This was just before the Evil Kirk tried to Rape Yeoman Rand. It was the first time, so they were not yet on guard.
@@christopherg2347 I assumed it was evil kirk, I just couldn't remember WHICH evil kirk, as it seemed like something as minor as overcast skies turned kirk evil.
@@rich1051414 Kirk *wakes up with a Headache* : "What was it this Time, Mr, Spock? Possession by an evil Alien? A behavior altering Virus? A Ghost? Mind control?"
Spock: "No Captain. You drank too much Brandy last Night."
it makes sense that the replicator can't do food and fermented, malted, or aged spirits too good but distilled alcohols come out okay (it can do gin and vodka but not whisky or beer). food has a lot of stuff in it that makes it kind of dangerous? like, you have a gut biome because food is inherently dangerous. the replicator is going to take that stuff out.
the problem is you'd have to choose (or maybe have some kind of gut-flora pill you have to take before you eat any real food), because if you spent too long eating only replicator food, the bacteria in your intestines would lose the ability to process real food. you'd be on the toilet with food poisoning for your whole shore leave.
That is the best, or rather, the only actual explanation that makes sense to me so far. Something that can replicate a working weapon, or any chemicals, and objects, should have no problem creating food that is indistinguishable from the real one. A replicated protein molecule should not be different from the one in an actual steak. Unless it specifically been told to remove anything "unhealthy", not just possible microbes, but toxins/excess nutrients.
It's cobblers anyway - Transporter malfunctions replicate living human beings, and replicators are essentially the same tech, so if it can make a living person, and it can make complete inert matter, then it should be able to make composites of the two (such as a living person and their clothing when teleporting).
The reason replicators can't make perfect food? Makes for a convenient plot point when they want it, like a lot of Star Trek technology!
Not necessarily true. Voyager had limited supplies as they couldn't rely solely on replicated foods and had rations. Around this time, there must be something more to the replicators that needed some amount of conservation for extra long voyages. Methinks it's exactly what you described: living flora that couldn't be replicated. It's how those replicator gel packs could eventually go bad (the flora inside would grow too large and either become toxic or dead from overpopulation.
@@ishoottheyscore8970 Yep, and this "replicator food is inferior because they taste the same" is completely nonsense, we taste food for consistency and familiarity, not surprises. When I go to ramen shop, I want my noodle to taste exactly as how I enjoyed it last time, every coca cola I drank has the same flavour, you don't see me complaining, in fact I will always drink more coke because I want to re-experience the same flavour as last time.
As a Home Cook I know it’d be really great to have a replicator when I’m too tired but I’d still love to try making a home cooked meal every few days just to spice things up.
One thing I’ve thought about regarding replicator food is that you can replicate specific ingredients that would be illegal/hard to get. Fresh vegetables with replicated meat for example
Deanna Troi's clip seem to suggest that part of the problem is that the replicator only does healthy amounts of food. In normal circumstances, anyway. So if you ask for more then your daily allowance of sugar, it wont give it to you. And instead do some kind of sweet substitute.
Well, not healthy amounts, but healthy food as a whole. Deanna wanted real chocolate cause she is tired of the replicated one, but since Starfleet regulations requires healthy food, the replicator does exactly that, replicates the chocolate but without it being real unhealthy chocolate.
@@abnnizzy That's a really long way of saying the sugar amount is real chocolate is unhealthy.
@@izuela7677 The key word there is amount. Even if you ask the replicator for a little spoonful of real chocolate Ice cream, in an amount that wont be unhealthy for you, it still wont give It to you per starfleet rules.
I always figured it was in their heads. They think "real food" tastes better so they make themselves think replicated food doesn't taste as good. SImilar to the whole "organic" food thing going on currently.
A lot of times organic food does taste better but it doesn't have really anything to do with the fact that it's organic. They are just grown or raised under different circumstances which change the taste and texture.
I'd probably compare it to eating something like a Hungry Man dinner.
That works until you see characters recognize the difference when not aware beforehand.
Some other replicator things:
In the pilot of Voyager Tom Paris orders tomato soup and the computer gives him a lot of varieties to choose from and he just wanted plain hot tomato soup.
In an episode of tng someone orders water or cold water and the computer asks for specific temperature. And there are lots of other replicator clips.
Yes. The computer was not full filling their request because it was instead bogging them down with counter-requests for specifics!
That is how computers get broken! And, more importantly, how people's fists get injured! 😒
I particularly liked the one in Voyager where the replicator in Janeway's ready room was malfunctioning. She ordered coffee and it replicated the coffee... and then the cup, causing a huge mess.
Synthahol exists so the captain doesn’t roam the ship ogling the crew
Answer: The uncanny valley... sort of.... Replicator does a perfect well "replication" too perfect.... We are wired to feel, see, hear subtelty. Just like we can see the variations we can see the lack of it. Too perfect is too strange. Analog deviation is hard to program!
true programmed randomness is impossible in any computer system. usually it's done by having a sensor taking readings from a random source.
@@TheGokki I know that, i'm a programmer xD
and i wrote "Analog deviation is hard to program!" a.k.a. randomness
@@fatherdoctor Oh snap, nice ^^
The reason some people say it taste different is because it comes out to prefect. Cooking a dish changes slightly everytime.
"It's green", is probably my favourite Star Trek quote.
I always liked Scotty's reaction to the "it is green" line. He's like "hell yeah, hit me with that green"
I've often wondered what Star Fleet officers are in charge of studying a culture's cuisine and programming them into a replicator. I imagine they have to fix the dish from scratch, then scan it in.
And it probably bugs them to no end, because they like cooking.
the easiest way would be to us a transporter to get the pattern. de-materialize, safe pattern in the database (cause it's way simpler than a whole body) and link it to the replicators
Probably exobiological nutritionists. I imagine anything that goes into the replicator database would require certain kinds of certification to ensure no health dangers amongst different species. This could be quite troubling if you think about it. There might be some algorithms involved where if a certain species makes a request to replicator terminal of a food type that would kill them, then the replicator won't produce it without commanding officer approval.
3:36 When you're sure you just failed your exam.
I would think replicated food might be bland because it’s replicator pattern has been compressed/optimized for storage in the computer - like simplifying a 3D model. I imagine an extremely high resolution reproduction of chicken or carrots would involve a huge amount of data. Storing a generic cooked carrot ‘pointer’ would make the recipes much smaller.
Recipes also may be a big deal if they were created by a chef that demands compensation, so the terminal will not produce it. Take, for instance, an olive garden breadstick. Those have a unique extremely tasty quality to it. Want it replicated in the 24th century? Nope, not without compensation to its pattern copyright owner and since Starfleet doesn't use money that won't fly. Instead, you can get an "equivalent" breadstick replicated but just like an "equivalent" in the real world, it tastes nothing like the same and so quite a disappointment.
I love the way Scotty thumbs up to green booze.
I finally figured out why all the cooking in Star Trek was so terrible. They've lost the skills. God what a dystopian hellhole. That's why Sisko's jambalaya looked like it came from a can, it probably did. I gotta get frozen so I can be revived in the future and teach people how to Make Food Great Again!
Oh boy, time to destroy every criostasis chamber on the planet!
@@tareqn.gaming1622
cryostasis*
You're welcome !
Live long and spell correctly !
@@Onemadgnome-ls2wq thanks
@@tareqn.gaming1622
What cracks me up is...
that 'tribbles' cereal commercial !
I see a few problems.
1... Do you shave them BEFORE OR AFTER you dunk them in milk ?
2... Aren't you supposed to kill & cook the bloody things FIRST ??
3... If you don't do #2.... how do you get past the squeaks when you bite down on them ???
Sushi ain't got nothing on that !!
I'll keep my cornflakes... Thanks !
@@Onemadgnome-ls2wq no you see it's simple. All you have to do is shave them, then you crush them. Then you lick the bloody remains off the floor panels.
Actually, they generalize the data for it to be practically stored. It’s less textured and more homogeneous that way.
It just occurred to me, Data in canon has met the entire command crew of the OG Enterprise EXCEPT Kirk, only Picard beat his to the full set because of the movie.
And Sisko, because of the time travel thingy.
@@_Muzolf I don't think seeing a person across the room counts as meeting them. Sisko only _truly_ met Kirk.
Thankfully, there were no nurses named Brandy.
I think it's like the comparison of a full, well-cooked dinner and one of those all-in-one microwave meals
I just realized Captain Sisko’s father used tube grubs in his sauce.
0:37 It's an advertisement, it's like watching an Kinder chocolate ad with a living chocolate bar and glass of milk.
That's a nice callback to TOS with Data and Scotty. But overall, it does make since.
Since when?
Replication of dead corpses would be useful in teaching doctor’s anatomy without desecrating real people.
Desecration only occurs with cultures that think a corpse still has value. Cultures that don't see it as having value can't desecrate a body. Why do you think humanity requires a will of the decedent to officially stipulate, in legal, notarized terms, prior to their deaths, that their body will be left to science?
@@Judah_Katzenberger
Over thinking my comment a bit.
@@2bituser569 You're over-religiousing your original post.
@@Judah_Katzenberger
Even atheists don’t want their mama’s corpse drug around town.
@@2bituser569 Atheists don't care about corpses at all. They're just dead matter.
"Computer. I would like a Real chocolate." **Computer** "I would like a real body, so I can leave these stupid nonsensical requests. But I am neither a Genie or a Magician." **Sits there; puzzled** "One full course Oxygen meal, coming up."
Sojourner- A fan star trek story
Lieutenant Commander Allen cooks his food and is very great at it often hosts card games or board games when off duty and has a fine taste for Bourbon whiskey smokes a cigar occasionally in his quarters.
The year is 2270.01
I thought this was a discussion of WHY replicated food doesn't taste the same, not just a collection of clip of times when they mention it.
One problem though, while the idea of replication is long known to them, there has been apocryphal data to show that the food is actually from living matter and that it is algal based. So that does qualify as living. It's molecular structure is broken down and rearranged to form the desired food. However, I think the real problem is that while it can reproduce the substance, it cannot replicate it's complex organic flavor and texture. Like carob makes artificial chocolate, looks like it, kind of tastes like it, but it isn't the same. Spices and herbs are also complex so how can it be real? It can't, it's just an imitation as it relies on a low bit transporter with lots of errors.
3:37: After Jim binge-watched CBS All Access.
He'll be back for more after Picard and Lower decks.
Only 5 minutes of STD is enough.
I like what Worf's brother said:
Very well, I shall try some of your burned, replicated bird meat.
Food is food. The problem is it being the same perfect pattern every time. Growing up with that you would notice all the slight differences. They should have people submit lots of patterns for foods to have variation. 🤔
@Jake Sangria But, It's never exactly the same. There are tons of variables during prep in play. Do you try everything on the menu just because or do you go with your favorites? I've had similar burgers, but never the exact same burger for as long as I've lived. From what we've seen in Trek it's just single patterns for everything unless you custom and most don't. For most foods it doesn't matter, but you would be able to tell. Folks can do that now with fresh vs frozen/canned.🤔
I disagree, every tub of vanilla Ben and Jerry ice cream should taste exactly the same, I've never heard anyone want their next tub to "surprise" them with different flavour. .
@@baishihua Who said completely different? 🤣 Apples taste like apples, but each one is different. A pattern apple is the same every time. It's an experience that's not natural to us. Their tastes buds have evolved to detect it.
This is ridiculous, treating life like it's something more than matter and it's arrangement, like it's a mysterious substance that can't be replicated... Besides, teleporters basically "create" life all the time
yeah technically if they have transporters they should be able to create copies of anything including people
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Transporter copied Riker
@@NitpickingNerd Actually no, you cannot. Physics prevents to make exact copies of the quantum state of anything. However, you can circumvent that physical problem by altering the quantum state of the source. Hence teleportation might be possible, while exact quantum copies are pretty much confirmed to be impossible.
@@JoniWan77 This reality bores me.
3:15, it had been established in the second season episode "Up The Long Ladder", that the replicators could make real alcohol. There was no reason for Guinan to have only a limited supply of the real stuff. The question is, how does replicated whiskey, with real alcohol, compare to expertly distilled, lovingly blended, well aged, twelve year old whiskey?
What does it matter as long as it gets the job done 🥃🥃🥃
@@hanshawks5088 A lot really, a lot. If all you want to do is get drunk, buy some Everclear and go off by yourself. I drink more for the taste and the aroma. It's like food. Plain oatmeal will get the job done, but if I can have prime rib and a baked potato, and a glass of small batch bourbon, I'll take it.
I was wondering if they would show Riker cooking lol. Also I didn't realize until last week that Keiko is the same actress who played Klingers girlfriend in MASH.
Remember children- this is the REAL REASON THE OLD ONES PACK TABASCO AND PEPTO.
Wonder if the Replicators are programmed to monitor your diet and limit your choices of unhealthy food. Imagine if you ordered a steak and the machine told you it won’t do it, you’re assigned salad. Kinda creepy when you think about it.
If the navy moves to replicators, there will be a mutiny.
The expanded literature goes back and forth on the subject.
Some indicate that blind tests showed the average consumer couldn't identify the difference between replicated and naturally prepared meals. Meanwhile, other novels indicated that it was the uniformity between of the two servings of replicated meals that seemed to give them away.
I get vegan vibes from this guy. So even in the 24th century, you get people being pretentious with food.
It's not even a vegan thing. It's more like a Whole Foods thing.
I love the episode of Discovery when Admiral Vance is describing how the replicator makes an apple.
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1:51 "I don't care if i gotta rip out yer wires and make ya dumb, *i want me damn ice-cream!* "
You know what gives food it's flavor, fat, take that away and you lose a lot of flavor. I'd imagine replicated food wouldn't have fat in it so Eddington is right, the chicken stock in the replicated chicken and rice wouldn't taste the same as homemade chicken stock cooked with chicken bones, carrots and celery that has simmered for several hours. Another thing that adds to flavor is salt. I'd imagine salt would be cut out of their diet as well so again homemade chicken and rice would no doubt be seasoned with salt and pepper. Lastly, if there's no alcohol, which we know isn't entirely true, but for the purpose of this argument let's say not everyone is carrying around bottles of Chateau Picard all of the time, then the replicator, again is not going to infuse that chicken and rice with white wine for instance. Never mind the amount of fats and wines that goes into creole food that Sisko's dad would use in his restaurant.
Hunter Becknell fat and salt have nutritional value why wouldn’t the replicator be able to replicate them when that’s its function?
Morgan O'Brien-Bledsoe I said it has flavor.
@@ShumaniTatankaOwachi You said replicated food wouldn't have fat in it. I guess to even begin to replicate some foods it would have to have fat. Or a fat substitute. Maybe the synthetic fat substitute doesn't have much flavor.
@@Yusuke_Denton Correct, it would be like using splenda instead of sugar or corn syrup. It probably would taste fine, but nothing like homemade. Imagine if the only hamburger you ever had was from McDonald's, then one day your friend invites you over for BBQ and he/she made the burgers from scratch. You'd never want McDonald's ever again.
The stigma against "fat" is a relatively recent trend. Processed sugar (the real short-term health destroyer), along with salt, were added to compensate. Fat is not the only thing to give food flavor. Plenty of fresh foods have no fat and are full of flavor.
Fat also isn't unhealthful. In fact it's necessary, but, like sugar, it's the state it come in that matters. Any processed (extracted) sugar or extracted or animal fat isn't metabolized properly.
The "it is green" line in TNG is what made me go back and watch TOS.
i bet replicated food would give you some raunchy gas.
Not likely, as it would be properly sequenced to be more easily digested. Sorry, my inner Data popped out.
@@davincent98 a bunch of synthesized proteins sounds rank. flying around in a giant hot box filled with alien flatulence
@@LordsofMedia now I'm imagining a gassy Hynerian in that Hotbox party. Hilarity ensues.
I never really watched TOS. I never knew that the Data/Scotty scene was a riff off of a scene from TOS with Scott doing the lines.
I always figured the replicator had variances in its quality, making some things accurate and some things off depending on what its replicating.
Not to mention I would presume there are different types of replication processes which would account for the quality differences between ships/stations/shuttle pods.
IE shuttlepod replicators would be more efficient and therefore not as "creative"; or ship replicators being programmed to only provide certain nutrients to keep the team healthy and such.
They also show that you can presumably program your replicators (Daj had a sad bland menu); and that even if you request certain items you can still create something tasty if you bake or cook it (like Riker in TNG or Maddox in ST:Picard)
....or we can just acknowledge that this is a fantasy show with spaceships and laser beams and it will always be inconsistent since it isn't real LMAO
like the replicator in Capt.Janewayes readyroom always botching the coffee
Replicators are a double-edged sword. They're able to replicate (with seemingly very little energy and/or material) countless meal varieties with nutritional value at the expense of exquisite taste and flare, but you have eliminated world-hunger and possibly reduced over-harvesting natural resources, which in my opinion, is the better deal. A good comparison is like saying typing is way more efficient method of written communication and less paper waste, but handwritten letters have more personality and flare. People embrace new, efficient styles but of course still have an appreciation to the old ways.
the federation still had farm and fishing worlds since replicators were not able to feed most of the population of the federation
It’s because it’s 82% reclaimed “waste water”.
Don’t believe me? Read section 13.5 on replicators in the Next Gen technical manual.
Aaron Salvo Red Dwarf showed us what happened when you drink recycled water too much
I never realized that Scotty callback in TNG even though I had watched TOS and TNG in sequence like twice over the last few years. That made this whole video worth it.
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Maybe in season 1 of TNG the food from replicators was real or the guy was lying maybe the replicators was changed like Picard was after season 1.
Maybe an alcoholic beverage is more straightforward to make, being a simple mixture of replicable molecules
@@phoenixkahlo maybe but Scotty knew it was not real
How did Picard change? I honestly don’t know.
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Remember, he had been frozen for 200 or 300 years.
In that time, the science / art of "Food and Drink Preparation" had probably advanced. So, something that would taste bland and ordinary to them, would be especially tasty to him.
I am loving all of the conversations in the comments? Discussing ideas on why the replicators create bland food on a scientific level, and coming up with suggestions to fix it.
That’s pure wholesomeness.
Is it that they are discussing, at a scientific level, a fictional technology? Or is it that the limitations on that fictional technology that they are trying to overcome are purely a plot device for the authors?
I always wondered how everyone in the future is so skinny. With "food" like that, I'd be a beanpole too!
Don't forget the standard issue military grade girdles.
If everyone is so skinny ion Star Trek, how did Scotty gain weight over the years while still being employed by Star Fleet?
@@p.z.arnott2329 the fine green liquors
Shatner wore a girdle through the entire show. Especially in the movies. Jonathan Frakes is large, also. Mary Wiseman (Tilly) on Discovery is also overweight, but then, the actress recently had a baby.
I'd settle for Cowboy Bebop ramen Cup Noodles at this point. Just pull the tab at the bottom and instant hot ramen soup.
there are no living cells in a steak.
depends on how fresh cut it is.
Bacteria surely? Parasites potentially?
Sure, it has living bacteria all over and inside it.
Freedom Of Motion there’s a reason we can eat rare steak but not rare pork.
@@stargazer7644 trichinosis is generally an extinct condition. Rare pork is fine.
Data: it’s....it’s green.
Scotty: it’s better than nothing!
I SAID GIVE ME THE BRANDY!!!!!
That replicator was build by Michael Bloomberg
"It's gween!"
- Reviewbrah, 2011
Ah yes. Reminds me of Mum's most excellent polystyrene beef roast with styromolded button mushrooms, Mylar film onions and brown mucopolysaccharoid gravy, just done to a turn for perfect mouth feel...
English cooking, eh?
F-ing nonsense. Guess how many living cells are left in a brisket that was smoked for 20 hours, yet it is still delicious.
"Computer I would like chocolate ice cream, one that tastes real...". It reminds me of how we ask ChatGPT for something that sounds like it was made by a human
"No living cells?" So you're saying .. souls are delicious?
I always wanted to see a young Scotty get into a scrap with Strax from Doctor Who in a Glasgow pub.
I think it's complete nonsense that replicated food would taste different than grown food
That's what Eddington used to think too.
Why not food cooked in a microwave oven tastes different than baked food, even though they have the same molecular structure.
Replicated food would be even more different and thus _taste_ even more different.
Two apples from the same tree vary in flavour, the same for two apple pies cooked in the oven. Replicated food would always taste the same which, I guess, gets very boring with time.
@@hyvakoira not necessarily. You could add some randomization to your replicator programs
@@Sindraug25 Until Sisko's homemade Thanksgiving dinner.
In a way, Sisko created Eddington.
When Troi asks for the real chocolate someone should edit in the "Make it yourself" replicator line from Voyager 😂
Have you tried the Impossible Whopper? It tastes terrible! It's the same thing as replicated food, just some matter made to look like something else.
I just came back to America for winter vacation and I saw this at Burger King and asked the person at the register what this "Impossible Whopper" was. After she explained it to me, I decided to get a regular cheeseburger.
The impossible whopper has 48 mg of estrogen, enough that a male eating four a day would develop breasts.
Intrepid74656 ...Think about what you just said for a moment. It is basically a chemically engineered and factory processed plant matter, made to look like a beef patty. It tastes like plastic as well.
Yeah, yeah, I get that the beef patty is processed too, but it started out as beef and ended up as (and tastes like) beef.
@@Zorro9129 your phallus will atrophy and rot off if you eat 12 Impossible Burgers. Those that don't experience this weren't real men in the first place.
@Intrepid74656 I doubt this, but I'll give it a try if it's on the menu next time I'm near a BK. I'll be sure to report back here. The only thing that makes this sound remotely possible is that the beef in whopper's probably doesn't have natural taste to begin with.
Kako's reaction to actually cooking, is how shocked my wife is when I cook.
The last one with Kirk was just an out take and a normal day on set working with Shatner.
I always wondered about that with their replicators. I knew it wasn't as good and just figured it was like a ,"nothing beats the real thing". Guess I was right all along. Just never knew why exactly.
Thats why you have to overload the teleporter to realy eat. Imagine being the last man on a ship with the only source of food and company being your teleporter image and your ability to cook on shorted conduit.
"Jim, I drink because I'm scared to kill myself quickly."
"Get back to work, Bones."
- SFDebris
It's both neat and sad. Imagine getting any if your favourite foods you want instantly, yet tastes like nothing.