Reason why demogorgon transported el: the demogorgon tried to fight back or travel through dimensions, but it can't because of her powers, but it successfully transported el to the upside down
Also when she did that to Henry there was a gate for a split second which healed but as we know just as El disapered Mike immediately looked there and we can see there was no gate just the huge dent of demogorgon pushed against the black board(is that what you call it idk I'm not from us)
No, think of the context.... a short while previous, Brenner's goons had guns pointed at El, Mike, Dustin and Lucas. El realised that by being around Mike, she risked having him shot just like poor old Benny was shot in cold blood by 'Connie' . The demogorgon didn't transport El. She chose to disappear so that her friends wouldn't be hunted by Brenner's armed goons. That's why she said goodbye to Mike. ( Edit, see Owlspirit11's comment below, which I think is a better take on this.)
I don’t believe he was holding El out of kindness. He was holding her after she performed and showed that she was willing to kill. That’s why the cat scene starts the flashback… she wouldn’t kill the cat but killed the orderlies instead. Edit: Also, it wasn’t a few months later that El transported the Demo. She was supposed to be eight years old when she transported Henry to the Upside Down. She was twelve in season 1.
And she'd only reacted that way out of desperation to not be put in an isolation cell again, too. God only knows how long they kept her in there at a time! The thing is, I can believe that Brenner loved her in his own sick way, but Eleven is LUCKY to have come out of that situation with any semblance of a conscience. I think the reason we see her human kill count dramatically drop after season one is directly due to Hopper's influence. He doesn't want her using her powers to keep her from being discovered, but I'm sure he was also going about figuring out how to fix the mess Brenner created and fashion a decent human being out of her. (And he was a mess at the time, too, so it's a miracle either of them are functional!) If El had had her powers in California, she absolutely would have killed Angela, because all she's ever known to do in those situations is kill the person causing her suffering, whether intentionally or not. Brenner showing her affection after these moments definitely served to reinforce that habit. Regardless of what you think of Angela, being a shitty bully doesn't warrant a death sentence. I don't think El could have come back from taking a life over something so petty, especially given how she reacted over just bashing Angela's face in with a roller skate affected her. Anyway... long story short, fuck Dr. Brenner. El made the right choice in letting him die alone.
Yeah, this video had me rolling my eyes at that point. He literally said "remarkable". He was praising and rewarding her for having killed those guys. She did what the sicko wanted. This video is definitely wrong about needing a Justice For Brenner hashtag, lol. I guess some people can't let go of that opening scene from this season.
@@mixtersushi I agree with all of what you said...except I'm not completely sure if she would have killed Angela if she had her powers. She would have hurt her with them, maybe thrown her like she did Lucas in season 1 when him and Mike were having some kind of fight. But she could have killed her, yes, and if she did I agree she probably wouldn't have come back from it. I think it's clear that in Season 2 when she blew out the windows of the cabin that it was just from her scream and not actually intentional, so she doesn't always have total control. She IS very lucky to have come out of that situation with the conscience she has. She's a very sweet person and I find this entire video very unfair to her character and quite Brenner/abuser apologist. People can't seem to accept that the opening scene this season was meant to throw us off.
@@maddie8415 even if not intentionally killed her like she did with certain agents, she's been shown to unintentionally kill people just by exploding force around her and knocking them into things. With all the pavement around at the time, she very easily could have knocked Angela's head into a hard surface and killed her when she only meaned to hurt her. Still, even if she hadn't truly wanted to kill Angela, she would have tricked herself into believing she did, given that she believed she was the one who murdered the other test subjects back in '79. I think that, if El does survive the end of the series, we'll either see her completely depowered, or she's going to have to be in tons of therapy so she doesn't lose control of herself and therefore her powers inadvertently murder a ton more people. And, since this IS the 80s, that's a longshot. I want the best for my girl! Owens was right; at the heart of it all, she's a traumatized little girl who needs genuine sympathy and guidance in how to cope with what's been done to her so she can move forward.
@@mixtersushi Yes, she made the right choice in not giving Brenner the 'understanding forgiveness' he was looking for as he died. he sure as hell didn't give any resolution to El's mother. As for Angela, yeah, if in her moment of rage, her powers suddenly returned, she probably would have thrown Angela across the school yard for repeatedly just shitting on the fact that El is mourning the loss of her father figure. But,,, if she'd had her powers earlier that morning, she probably would have put a stop to Angela's bullying by making Angela pee herself just like she did with Troy for mocking the memory of Will.
At like 4:00 Brenner isn’t being compassionate, he is manipulating her into using her powers. He didn’t care about the staff members at all he just wanted to see what 11 is capable of
I like the irony of eleven having killed hundreds of unknown people just because, yet she couldn’t kill the guy who mentally destroyed her mother, preserving her in a state of cruelly permanent complete unawareness, her brain being literal mush because it ‘wasn’t right’ ‘he had a family’ she had no idea who else had a family that she killed, and they are all probably far more innocent than the guy she refused to kill
I think when she saw the kids pictures it touched the human part in her. Usually when she kills without thinking at instances where she feels threatened, her friends are in danger. They were split second decisions. But when the kill is planned and having a discussion I think it would be difficult.
she never killed any1 "just because" she only killed when people were there to take him back to the lab (which is totally understandable for a kid who has spent her whole life in a prison where she has been tested on and finally managed to escape) or to save his friends (which is also understandable as they were the only people that helped her when she needed it the most) and not killing that guy is just being a good human being like his kids didnt do anything wrong why make them go through so much pain that el and her sis had to go through when it isnt the kids fault it is that guys.
I don’t know how you think Brenner was holding Eleven out of kindness? Do you know nothing about abuser and abused relationships/situations? She did something “right” in his eyes (killing) and her powers more than her was rewarded and loved. Eleven is a traumatized, love starved child who knows no one else as a father figure. This is NOT love.
It's like this dude did not watch the show, and just copied someone else's video. Brenner put her in there for refusing to kill an innocent rabbit, because he wants to turn her into a killer. She won't kill a rabbit that poses her no threat, but she did kill the goons with the tasers trying to lock her into that room. She had seen how they mercilessly used tasers on Henry and presumably others, and she'd seen the shock collars, so she had a right to defend herself. Brenner is too sick in the head to see the difference, a weapon is a weapon and he thinks he can control her. What this video also misses is how she tries to avoid violence. In the shop where she's stealing food to avoid starvation, she doesn't hurt the shop manager. She stops him by smashing the doors. Even dealing with Billy, when he's trying to hurt Max, she fights him. When he's hurting El, in the end, she uses his memories to remind him that he was once a good and happy person. That's literally the opposite of what Vecna does. Vecna pulls the shame and guilt to make his victims hate themselves. She made Billy remember the good boy that was loved by his mother. Even with Henry/Vecna, she tried talking to him and using sympathy. Telling him he's not a monster, and that Brenner shouldn't have mistreated him. henry is too far gone into psychopathy for El's words to matter. I think it would have to be Virginia or Victor speaking to him to make a difference.
@@jimbobeire yes! All of this! I can’t watch a channel that doesn’t recognize some key elements to a phenomenal story. Eleven acts out of a place of fear. She only resorts to violence when deemed absolutely necessary. Like the “bad men” cornering her and the boys. She doesn’t want her friends to be hurt or for her to go with Brenner - so she flipped the van for them to get away. She will kill a demogorgon because all they do is pose a threat. Back in season one when Joyce was gentle with her and even though Will’s life was on the line she did not pressure Eleven to use her powers. Without words you could see El pondering this and the actual kindness shown. This show does an amazing job at saying a lot of things without actually using words - all you have to do is halfway pay attention. It’s gross to try and get clout on something you know is popular without actually giving a crap about the show you’re talking about.
YES, he was holding her as a reward for killing those orderlies. It's more than obvious. He says "remarkable"...and is so impressed by it, doesn't even bother looking at the dead guys to make sure they're really beyond help. Brenner is the monster, I don't know why this video tries to make El the bad one and him better than he is. This is all a product of what he did to her. I think that a lot of people are not getting past the first scene this season, which was meant to mislead us. It's sad.
Y’all need to chill out fr. He ment no harm💀. And I agree with u but no need to go full throttle on him for making content. Admit it yall probably watched all of it. Anyways take a god damn chill pill and have a good day/afternoon/night💀♥️
The hunter isn't dead you hear them talking about the hunter in the police station later with Hopper disregarding it knowing what happened just before we first meet Murray
Pulling a deadly weapon on her is just cause for defending herself. I disagree that anyone pulling a gun on her is an unjust kill.. Also, Brenner not making her stay in solitary confinement (considered torture and known to literally make holes in brains) wasn't an act of compassion- he was rewarding her because she finally killed when she wouldn't do it before. He stopped torturing her because she killed It was evil, honestly. No wonder the other kids were psychopathy-ridden monsters. And why have compassion for 'Connie Fraser'- the one responsible for the brutal, unjust and totally avoidable murder of Benny- an event that Eleven saw? You would honestly give her a chance to murder your friends and innocents? You are also counting a SQUIRREL? Those woodland assholes were a food source. She just knocked out the hunter, too, not KILL him.. And you're counting a horde of demo-dogs bent on killing everyone as a "let's see how monstrous Elle is" kill-count?
My theory is that Henry's inner darknes IS the upside down, and that when El disentigrated him she took the inner darkness out of his body creating the upside down, and she uses the darkness to teleport Henry into the upside down succesfully trapping him. SO when she kills the demogorgon there's nothing left behind, because the whole thing is darkness, and since all the monsters are connected to a hive mind and Henry still wants to get revenge on what she did to him, he makes the darkness engulf her and takes her into the upside down.
I'm glad someone finally did a video on this. I've wondered what her kill count is for a while now. Also, we know the nice Dr. who seemed to really care about her and Will is still alive, right? RIGHT???
Owens is still alive. Sullivan had him captive, and what Sullivan wanted was the girls location, which he rather conclusively got when she took out the helicopter. With Brenner dead, Sullivan will want to get more info out of Owens, especially after the 'earthquake' that hit Hawkins. Sullivan is sure to blame that on El, and to mistrust Owens attempts to explain that it was one of Brenner's other test subjects that did this. I reckon Sullivan will hunt Kaali ( 008 ) as well. In fact, I reckon there's probably going to be an entire spin off series of Kaali and her merry bunch avoiding Sullivan, much like the A Team avoiding Col. Decker.
@@TheAngryBlobfish remember we only know for a fact that he got 2.5 as a kid but in all honesty we know he got more before the chip went in the question is how much and then how much did he get as vecna
I feel like its safe to say she didnt kill the hunter she felt so bad for "killing" all of the other numbers even though they all wanted her dead theres no way she would kill him and it not be brought up again
She didn't kill the hunter. If she'd killed him, she wouldn't be in a rush to take his coat and jacket. The reason she took them so quickly is because she knew he'd wake up again and she didn't want to deal with an angry man with a rifle. Also we _know_ she didn't kill the hunter because he's one of the 'leads' that Murray is following up on... if he was dead, he couldn't have told Murray about some mysterious girl in the woods.
And with how bad she felt about hitting Angela. I never thought she killed that hunter, just knocked him out with the closet thing to her, which happened to be a flaming log. Plus, she had every reason to be scared of him. She knew everyone was "hunting" for HER...and he had a gun. She wouldn't know that people walk around with them so casually. The tone of this entire video seems to be to slander her character, it's not cool at all.
@@maddie8415 Even if the hunter didn't have a gun, he would probably try to contact child services, and end up shot in the head like Benny was, because Brenner's goons would intercept the call. So, El wasn't just protecting herself by knocking out the hunter, she was protecting him too. The whole reason she is hiding in the woods is because she doesn't want to put Mike and the others in danger. She saw Brenner's goons at his house questioning him. She's literally an 11 yr old child freezing in the woods, living off rabbits and egoos, just to avoid putting others in danger. So... not the monster.
Wasn't there a scene where the hunter goes to the police and says some weird girl stole his stuff in the woods which brought Hopper to the forest to leave food for her?
1. I have always assumed that the guys at Benny's were killed, but when you. mentioned the spoons it made me wonder if they weren't just knocked out cold. In the end, I think they're dead, but not by means of the utensils. Those probably got knocked over in the the confrontation. I think they had their necks snapped. Also, after El sees Connie Frasier murder Benny, she has every reason for fear for her life. 2. You're making assumptions about how many people were in each van. Just because 4 people got out of Brenner's van doesn't mean that 4 people were in the van that El flipped. 3. Not only does El have reason to believe her life is in danger because of Benny's death, when Connie appears in the hallway with the guards, as you point out they all have guns. Even if El expected to be captured, she expected her friends to be killed. 4. I don't think the hunter in the forest was killed, just knocked out and burned. Even if he did die, I don't think it was deliberate. - a freak chance. She's not using that much force.
I'd ad that about the hunter, if you pay attention to her reaction, she knows she has only knocked him out, cos if he was dead, she wouldn't need to be in such a hurry to take his hat and coat before he wakes up. Also, this is the same hunter that is mention in relation to leads followed up by Murray when he's working for barb's parents, so no, he didn't die. he just woke up with a bruised face and no coat or hat.
I think she tried to kill the hunter, cause she knew that he will tell someone that he saw a little girl in the forest and she was scared of the government finding her. I mean the kill wasn’t cool but she was a kid and I don’t think she thinks/thought about killing like other kids because she grew up totally different.
@@lavaniii3263 What makes you think she tried to kill him? She could have snapped his neck with telekinesis if she wanted to kill him. She hit him in the face with a small log, she knocked him out and quickly took his coat before he woke up again. If she wanted him dead, he would have been dead.
@@jimbobeire Maybe I said it wrong, I think she didn’t thought much in that moment, that she was panicked and just wanted to avoid the questions. But I think it is definitely possible, that she feared that the man would tell anyone that he saw a strange girl in the woods. (And he would tell anyone) and then the “bad guys”, means the government found out. Also, like I said, I thing her imagination of “killing” and “being dead” was different than the imagination of the other kids, because she grew up different and also killed people before.
Maybe my theory doesn't land well but I think in 1979 El wanted to kill One, but I suppose One was still using his powers to fight, so he wasn't killed but was banished in the UD. In 1983, I think she successfuly killed the Demogorgon. In S2 we see her waking up in the UD from a short coma, so El knew she was gonna be super exhausted and that's why she says "Bye Mike". Further more, she probably didn't know why she was transported into the UD until 1986, meaning that when she uses her full potential she can open a temporary gate
Well, I think it was more than obvious that she is NOT a monster and it wasn't that many actual humans. It was only her defending herself or her friends, or trying not to be taken back to the lab (which WAS a hell hole, no matter who was fooled by the opening scene to season 4). She also clearly doesn't enjoy hurting people, after hitting Angela she started crying and felt so guilty about it even though Angela was THE WORST to her. Oh, and Brenner wasn't being kind to her when he picked her up after she killed those guys who were trying to lock her in the torture room...he was extremely impressed with what she did and praising/rewarding her for it. "Remarkable", he said. She had done was that sicko wanted her to do. So no, we don't need #JusticeForBrenner, we need #JusticeForEleven (and many of the other characters).
@@jimbobeire Thanks..I just am still pretty surprised by this video, the fact that he counts all the demodogs that died when she closed the gate and saved everyone (including Will who was possessed) as "kills" that somehow add to her "death count" that might prove she's a "monster" is actually insane. These demodogs wanted to kill them all! Maybe this comment isn't very coherent but none of this makes any sense. It feels like an Eleven hate and Brenner apologist video. :/ I usually like this user's videos, though.
@@maddie8415 Eleven hate , Brenner apologidt video... yeah, maybe clickbsit basically. Just posting controversy rather than making an interesting point. That's not going to improve his 12% sub rate.
I think the reason that she said “goodbye mike” in the season 1 finale is because she assumed that she would fall into a coma, like she did when she sent Henry to the upside down.
I kind of think that the amount of killing she does decreases throughout the seasons because of her growth as a character. During season one, all she has known is the lab, where she learned to fend for herself and protect herself because of all the violence, torture, emotional abuse, and physical abuse she endured. As time goes on she forms relationships with people she loves and has healthier emotional connections, which I think makes her more hesitant to kill people. Like in season two she doesn't kill the man in his apartment because she sees his kids, and now she can relate to the feeling of having a family because Hopper is a stronger father figure in her life. From the first season, she is worried about her own moral integrity. But I think the worry grows to become most prominent in season four, leading to fewer kills. Just my thoughts!
Michael Jae I noticed after watching several of your videos you seem to have confused about when 11 Escape Hawkins lab because of Henry showing her the tunnel that she would use years later to escape the lab she banished Henry in the year September 8th 1979 but she didn't Escape in season 1 until 1983 almost 4 years later also in this video she killed the demo dogs at Will's house not the cabin that's how he recognized the phone call but it's an easy mistake to make you should do a video correcting it I noticed a lot of people seem to be confused about this
I don't think she knew exactly what was going to happen, because despite her using the exact same move that she used against henry, we of course find out in season 4 that those memories are suppressed so she does not remember doing that at this time I don't think so maybe she thought she was going to die just from the energy she had to exert
i’d love the story to end with el literally having to learn that murder isn’t cool or a good way to avoid/solve her problems bc that’ll help change everything she was brought up believing bc if stranger things ended rn i’d be scared that el will never be able to adapt to people bc of the murder as first choice vibe. like if mike and el break up in their 20s i could see el going absolutely nuts like henry
I have to disagree, she knows killing is bad and only does it if she has too or in extreme situations. The bullies that attacked Mike and Dustin, she could have EASILY killed them, but she realised that A: They where just kids B: There was no need to kill them, they didn't have guns or anything Then there is the guy that hurt her mom, she wanted to kill him out of revenge, quite justified given what he did, but stopped and even protected him when she saw he had kids. She isn't morally perfect but she has a strong conscience IMO.
Michael Jae I noticed after watching several of your videos you seem to have confused about when 11 Escape Hawkins lab because of Henry showing her the tunnel that she would use years later to escape the lab she banished Henry in the year September 8th 1979 but she didn't Escape in season 1 until 1983 almost 4 years later also in this video she killed the demo dogs at Will's house not the cabin that's how he recognized the phone call but it's an easy mistake to make you should do a video correcting it I noticed a lot of people seem to be confused about this
7:47 How can you not tell that she was volunteering to disappear? She just saw in the corridor that Brenner's goons would have killed her friends, just like they killed Benny, so that's why she disappeared... it wasn't an inevitable consequence of using her power on the Demogorgon.
Don’t forget that when El transported Henry or 001 or vecna to the upside down she used her powers so much that she passes out and forgot about it until brenner showed it to her in season 4
if el didn't exist, the show wouldnt + no one would have survived s1, definitely not s2. she has her faults but i believe she is good and she is essential for stranger things to work
Oh no way. Those Demodogs and that Demogorgan we saw in S4, did they come from the bottom of the pit where El closed the gate? And the Russians came and collected them? Makes sense to me.
no, in season three hopper explains how all the tunnels and holes were filled. The russians only had 1 demogorgon but as we saw in the prison, they were breeding more thru some vague sci fi containers with liquid
@@Vlad07-z8h it was just a theory but just because the hole was filled doesn't mean the bodies weren't extracted, also they were only in a prison, i think its very unlikely that they managed to 'breed' new demodogs from a prison.
@@Vlad07-z8h We have zero confirmation for what those tubes actually do, and what i said before i'll say it again, it was only a theory that makes way too much sense for it to be so easily debunked by your explanation :)
If the Upside Down is supposed to be the Underdark, I think it is possible that in a spin-off they could do the Feywild. They have said they don't want it to be related to anything in current Stranger Things, as in no returning characters.
If you ask me, what the Flip was intended to go for was an ET fakeout. In case you havn't seen the movie before, towards the end of ET, there's an iconic scene where government goons are chasing the kids around town as they try to keep ET away from them. Eventually, they get cornered, but that is when ET, in one of the most iconic and copied scenes in all of cinema, lifts their bikes up and has them flying away. (Season 1 especially borrows heavily from ET, in fact, it was one of the 80s movies they made the actors watch as part of the preparation for their roles, though their collective group favourite is The Goonies) Now, anyone who watched ET might, in this scene, be inclined to assume that Eleven will do something similar, save the kids by levitating them out of the action (We have, afterall, seen Eleven levitate Mike not much earlier in the season), but then, she flips the van instead.
So off topic but (hear me out), Episode 1 the Massacre flashback Brenner stands with his back towards door #13, it's closed & virtually untouched. Same with El in her flashback Ep 7 she roams the hall & again door #13 is closed & untouched. What is going on with that!? And how did Henry not know he didn't kill Brenner?!
Interesting what you say about number 13 "And how did Henry not know he didn't kill Brenner?!" He might have let him live on purpose, to make him see all the dead kids, kind of like he did to his real father.
The boys that were bullying mike and dustin and tried to give dustin a "dentist appointment" weren't gonna kill them they were simply teasing them yhats why one of the bullys said that he doesn't have a great idea about this
Did you forget that Troy was forcing Mike’s hand by threatening Dustin with a knife unless Mike jumped into the quarry? Earlier Hopper said that a jump from that height would kill a person. Troy WAS trying to kill Mike.
I don't think El killed the hunter in Season 2. She needed his jacket so she knocked him out. She didn't kill him. So less this one, the final killing tally is 66.
I believe that the reason why El says goodbye is because she thinks she is going to die because she doesn't know what will happen. Remember that she forgets what happens in 1979. So she thinks that she is doing it for the first time and doesn't know the consequenses of the banashing power.
the demogorgon in st1 can't have survived, she incinerated it alive, henry only survived that exact same move because she unvoluntarily opened a portal to the upside down before he could blast into ashes
7:53 I think the reason el says “goodbye mike” is not because she knows she going to the upside down,but rather that she feels the strain on her powers and her body this is the most exertion she used since Henry attack 4 years prior and that put her in a coma for a few days and made her forget the event and everything before it so eleven can feel this is probably going to kill her, And that’s why she said goodbye.
Henry/Vecna/001 is the true monster, since he has a higher kill count (in Season 2, he used the Mind Flayer to possess the Demodogs and kill the lab agents, in season 3 he used the isolated part of the Mind Flayer to possess and melt several people, and in season 4, he used a piece of the MF to possess the Russian demodogs and kill the guards)
@@goldenguest778the_real I would like a kill count on all of those people vecna killed… but you can’t kill 26 people and then say she isn’t the true monster. As if killing 26 people isn’t a big deal. What person do you know has killed 26 people and isn’t considered a monster. Let’s be serious now
@@Burningdaylighter my point is: the Pure Evil Wiki says that Vecna has 52 direct kills, plus at least 100 indirect kills, so 152 kills is basically nothing if conpared to 26 kills, thus, Vecna is a complete monster with absolutely no redeeming qualities, that's why Eleven is not the true monster, because most, if not all of Eleven's kills were either self defense or to protect someone else
@@goldenguest778the_real I don’t know what “Pure Evil Wiki” is. That’s not official those are assumed figures so to me that’s not valid. Killing someone is still killing someone. And a lot of her kills weren’t even REALLY necessary. Stop trying to justify it because she’s a protagonist. No saint or good person kills 26 people. They don’t. Hell you would be deemed a monster in the real world for just killing one person with intent let alone 26.
I can't completely agree, there needs to be more catagories. You need 4 of them. Definitely dead, maybe dead, animals killed, monsters killed. For example the orderly she threw into the wall may not be dead, the van passengers could survive people survive that kind of wreck all the time
She def killed that hunter because if not they wouldve mentioned it again. I dont think you see and get knocked out by a girl with telekenisis and keep it quiet.
Yeah, he did report it... the hunter is mentioned by Murray as one of his leads about the 'mysterious girl' , Hopper pretends not to believe him, but starts leaving food in the woods for her. She only knocked out the hunter to protect herself _and_ the hunter. If he tried to 'do the right thing' by calling child services, the call would be intercepted by Brenner's goons like they did when Benny called for someone to help El. Remember Benny? Shot in the head by 'Connie'. El knew she only knocked the guy out, that's why she was in such a rush to take his hate and coat before he came around again.
When eleven temporarily gets her powers back and supposedly “kills the guards” isn’t true. The guards are actually still alive when owen’s is on the phone with Ellen and if anyone says I’m wrong you can go see for your self the episode is the Nina project.
I mean the van deaths are kind of hard to confirm because you don't actually see any dead bodies and no one mentions if they survived or not. Brenner survived getting blasted by a big heavy door so I'm sure they had a chance, right?
Even if you confirm the van deaths, that's legit self defense against Brenner's goons. She knows they're not law enforcement. She saw 'Connie' shoot poor old Benny in the head in cold blood, so she had every right to flip that van and kill those people so she could get away from them.
I don't think she killed the hunter. It looks like she just knocked him out. Now, he might have died from exposure once she took his clothes, but she didn't intentionally kill him.
Did y'all forget that the Hunter is one of the 'leads' that Baumann followed up in his investigation of a 'russian spy girl' in the woods. Baumann wasn't talking to a corpse.
I never thought she killed him, or at least not intentionally, just knocked him out. She was afraid of him because she knew people were trying to, well, "hunt" her down. She also probably didn't know that people carry guns so casually.
There’s a lot more demogorgon kills in season two, you only counted the giant hole, you forgot about the scene where it shows some dead demogorgons in the tunnels
One reason could be that Eleven said “Bye” because she assumed by killing demogorgon she would kill herself because as we know she had no memory of ever killing Henry That part was lost, her memories of killing Henry were lost that is why she didn’t knew that
Reason why demogorgon transported el: the demogorgon tried to fight back or travel through dimensions, but it can't because of her powers, but it successfully transported el to the upside down
Smart
Also when she did that to Henry there was a gate for a split second which healed but as we know just as El disapered Mike immediately looked there and we can see there was no gate just the huge dent of demogorgon pushed against the black board(is that what you call it idk I'm not from us)
No, think of the context.... a short while previous, Brenner's goons had guns pointed at El, Mike, Dustin and Lucas. El realised that by being around Mike, she risked having him shot just like poor old Benny was shot in cold blood by 'Connie' . The demogorgon didn't transport El. She chose to disappear so that her friends wouldn't be hunted by Brenner's armed goons. That's why she said goodbye to Mike. ( Edit, see Owlspirit11's comment below, which I think is a better take on this.)
Didnt El transported them to the upside down like she did with 001… like using her powers but she didnt controll it
what if the demogorgon just wanted a friend?
El had lost her memory which is why she said goodbye to mike, at that moment she didnt remember her fight against 001 at all
oh yeah you smart
“Her doing the same move probably a few months later” It’s 4 years later…Henry was banished in 1979 when she was 8, Season 1 is 1983 when she is 12
I don’t believe he was holding El out of kindness. He was holding her after she performed and showed that she was willing to kill. That’s why the cat scene starts the flashback… she wouldn’t kill the cat but killed the orderlies instead.
Edit: Also, it wasn’t a few months later that El transported the Demo. She was supposed to be eight years old when she transported Henry to the Upside Down. She was twelve in season 1.
And she'd only reacted that way out of desperation to not be put in an isolation cell again, too. God only knows how long they kept her in there at a time!
The thing is, I can believe that Brenner loved her in his own sick way, but Eleven is LUCKY to have come out of that situation with any semblance of a conscience. I think the reason we see her human kill count dramatically drop after season one is directly due to Hopper's influence. He doesn't want her using her powers to keep her from being discovered, but I'm sure he was also going about figuring out how to fix the mess Brenner created and fashion a decent human being out of her. (And he was a mess at the time, too, so it's a miracle either of them are functional!)
If El had had her powers in California, she absolutely would have killed Angela, because all she's ever known to do in those situations is kill the person causing her suffering, whether intentionally or not. Brenner showing her affection after these moments definitely served to reinforce that habit. Regardless of what you think of Angela, being a shitty bully doesn't warrant a death sentence. I don't think El could have come back from taking a life over something so petty, especially given how she reacted over just bashing Angela's face in with a roller skate affected her.
Anyway... long story short, fuck Dr. Brenner. El made the right choice in letting him die alone.
Yeah, this video had me rolling my eyes at that point. He literally said "remarkable". He was praising and rewarding her for having killed those guys. She did what the sicko wanted. This video is definitely wrong about needing a Justice For Brenner hashtag, lol. I guess some people can't let go of that opening scene from this season.
@@mixtersushi I agree with all of what you said...except I'm not completely sure if she would have killed Angela if she had her powers. She would have hurt her with them, maybe thrown her like she did Lucas in season 1 when him and Mike were having some kind of fight. But she could have killed her, yes, and if she did I agree she probably wouldn't have come back from it. I think it's clear that in Season 2 when she blew out the windows of the cabin that it was just from her scream and not actually intentional, so she doesn't always have total control. She IS very lucky to have come out of that situation with the conscience she has. She's a very sweet person and I find this entire video very unfair to her character and quite Brenner/abuser apologist. People can't seem to accept that the opening scene this season was meant to throw us off.
@@maddie8415 even if not intentionally killed her like she did with certain agents, she's been shown to unintentionally kill people just by exploding force around her and knocking them into things. With all the pavement around at the time, she very easily could have knocked Angela's head into a hard surface and killed her when she only meaned to hurt her. Still, even if she hadn't truly wanted to kill Angela, she would have tricked herself into believing she did, given that she believed she was the one who murdered the other test subjects back in '79.
I think that, if El does survive the end of the series, we'll either see her completely depowered, or she's going to have to be in tons of therapy so she doesn't lose control of herself and therefore her powers inadvertently murder a ton more people. And, since this IS the 80s, that's a longshot. I want the best for my girl! Owens was right; at the heart of it all, she's a traumatized little girl who needs genuine sympathy and guidance in how to cope with what's been done to her so she can move forward.
@@mixtersushi Yes, she made the right choice in not giving Brenner the 'understanding forgiveness' he was looking for as he died. he sure as hell didn't give any resolution to El's mother.
As for Angela, yeah, if in her moment of rage, her powers suddenly returned, she probably would have thrown Angela across the school yard for repeatedly just shitting on the fact that El is mourning the loss of her father figure.
But,,, if she'd had her powers earlier that morning, she probably would have put a stop to Angela's bullying by making Angela pee herself just like she did with Troy for mocking the memory of Will.
Can’t wait for season five
same
Shut up
Welp we gta wait another 2 yrs 😭
Even thought it hasn’t been a full month since season 4 volume 1 and 2 came out, I still can’t wait until season 5 comes out!
@@him280 yea unfortunately 😔
At like 4:00 Brenner isn’t being compassionate, he is manipulating her into using her powers. He didn’t care about the staff members at all he just wanted to see what 11 is capable of
Exactly. The man was a psychopath.
"DID SHE KILL THEM WITH SPOONS?"
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I like the irony of eleven having killed hundreds of unknown people just because, yet she couldn’t kill the guy who mentally destroyed her mother, preserving her in a state of cruelly permanent complete unawareness, her brain being literal mush because it ‘wasn’t right’ ‘he had a family’ she had no idea who else had a family that she killed, and they are all probably far more innocent than the guy she refused to kill
@@queenbriplays8530 they are not talking about brenner, they are talking about the guy from season 2 who used the machine.
I think when she saw the kids pictures it touched the human part in her. Usually when she kills without thinking at instances where she feels threatened, her friends are in danger. They were split second decisions. But when the kill is planned and having a discussion I think it would be difficult.
@@queenbriplays8530 I don’t mean him i mean s2e7 where she helps kali find and ‘kill’ the man who ruined her mum
@@rashmirathnayake_ True
she never killed any1 "just because" she only killed when people were there to take him back to the lab (which is totally understandable for a kid who has spent her whole life in a prison where she has been tested on and finally managed to escape) or to save his friends (which is also understandable as they were the only people that helped her when she needed it the most) and not killing that guy is just being a good human being like his kids didnt do anything wrong why make them go through so much pain that el and her sis had to go through when it isnt the kids fault it is that guys.
I don’t know how you think Brenner was holding Eleven out of kindness? Do you know nothing about abuser and abused relationships/situations? She did something “right” in his eyes (killing) and her powers more than her was rewarded and loved. Eleven is a traumatized, love starved child who knows no one else as a father figure. This is NOT love.
It's like this dude did not watch the show, and just copied someone else's video.
Brenner put her in there for refusing to kill an innocent rabbit, because he wants to turn her into a killer. She won't kill a rabbit that poses her no threat, but she did kill the goons with the tasers trying to lock her into that room. She had seen how they mercilessly used tasers on Henry and presumably others, and she'd seen the shock collars, so she had a right to defend herself.
Brenner is too sick in the head to see the difference, a weapon is a weapon and he thinks he can control her.
What this video also misses is how she tries to avoid violence.
In the shop where she's stealing food to avoid starvation, she doesn't hurt the shop manager. She stops him by smashing the doors.
Even dealing with Billy, when he's trying to hurt Max, she fights him.
When he's hurting El, in the end, she uses his memories to remind him that he was once a good and happy person.
That's literally the opposite of what Vecna does. Vecna pulls the shame and guilt to make his victims hate themselves. She made Billy remember the good boy that was loved by his mother.
Even with Henry/Vecna, she tried talking to him and using sympathy. Telling him he's not a monster, and that Brenner shouldn't have mistreated him.
henry is too far gone into psychopathy for El's words to matter. I think it would have to be Virginia or Victor speaking to him to make a difference.
@@jimbobeire yes! All of this! I can’t watch a channel that doesn’t recognize some key elements to a phenomenal story.
Eleven acts out of a place of fear. She only resorts to violence when deemed absolutely necessary. Like the “bad men” cornering her and the boys. She doesn’t want her friends to be hurt or for her to go with Brenner - so she flipped the van for them to get away. She will kill a demogorgon because all they do is pose a threat.
Back in season one when Joyce was gentle with her and even though Will’s life was on the line she did not pressure Eleven to use her powers. Without words you could see El pondering this and the actual kindness shown.
This show does an amazing job at saying a lot of things without actually using words - all you have to do is halfway pay attention. It’s gross to try and get clout on something you know is popular without actually giving a crap about the show you’re talking about.
YES, he was holding her as a reward for killing those orderlies. It's more than obvious. He says "remarkable"...and is so impressed by it, doesn't even bother looking at the dead guys to make sure they're really beyond help. Brenner is the monster, I don't know why this video tries to make El the bad one and him better than he is. This is all a product of what he did to her. I think that a lot of people are not getting past the first scene this season, which was meant to mislead us. It's sad.
Y’all need to chill out fr. He ment no harm💀. And I agree with u but no need to go full throttle on him for making content. Admit it yall probably watched all of it. Anyways take a god damn chill pill and have a good day/afternoon/night💀♥️
Brenner genuinely loves Eleven and thinks he’s doing the right thing
The hunter isn't dead you hear them talking about the hunter in the police station later with Hopper disregarding it knowing what happened just before we first meet Murray
Pulling a deadly weapon on her is just cause for defending herself. I disagree that anyone pulling a gun on her is an unjust kill.. Also, Brenner not making her stay in solitary confinement (considered torture and known to literally make holes in brains) wasn't an act of compassion- he was rewarding her because she finally killed when she wouldn't do it before. He stopped torturing her because she killed It was evil, honestly. No wonder the other kids were psychopathy-ridden monsters. And why have compassion for 'Connie Fraser'- the one responsible for the brutal, unjust and totally avoidable murder of Benny- an event that Eleven saw? You would honestly give her a chance to murder your friends and innocents? You are also counting a SQUIRREL? Those woodland assholes were a food source. She just knocked out the hunter, too, not KILL him.. And you're counting a horde of demo-dogs bent on killing everyone as a "let's see how monstrous Elle is" kill-count?
My theory is that Henry's inner darknes IS the upside down, and that when El disentigrated him she took the inner darkness out of his body creating the upside down, and she uses the darkness to teleport Henry into the upside down succesfully trapping him. SO when she kills the demogorgon there's nothing left behind, because the whole thing is darkness, and since all the monsters are connected to a hive mind and Henry still wants to get revenge on what she did to him, he makes the darkness engulf her and takes her into the upside down.
“Countless kills”
James A Janisse: *laughs in kill count*
I'm glad someone finally did a video on this. I've wondered what her kill count is for a while now. Also, we know the nice Dr. who seemed to really care about her and Will is still alive, right? RIGHT???
Owens is still alive. Sullivan had him captive, and what Sullivan wanted was the girls location, which he rather conclusively got when she took out the helicopter. With Brenner dead, Sullivan will want to get more info out of Owens, especially after the 'earthquake' that hit Hawkins. Sullivan is sure to blame that on El, and to mistrust Owens attempts to explain that it was one of Brenner's other test subjects that did this. I reckon Sullivan will hunt Kaali ( 008 ) as well. In fact, I reckon there's probably going to be an entire spin off series of Kaali and her merry bunch avoiding Sullivan, much like the A Team avoiding Col. Decker.
the real question is, how many is this compared to the demogorgon/upside down monster kill count lol
technicallys its henry kill count as he controls them. but he was already a serial killer so a mountain worth
@@kevind3974 oooh true true
Vecna wasn't being chased by an evil organization though so it doesn't matter if it's unbalanced.
@@TheAngryBlobfish remember we only know for a fact that he got 2.5 as a kid but in all honesty we know he got more before the chip went in the question is how much and then how much did he get as vecna
I feel like its safe to say she didnt kill the hunter she felt so bad for "killing" all of the other numbers even though they all wanted her dead theres no way she would kill him and it not be brought up again
She didn’t kill the other numbers Henry did
She didn't kill the hunter. If she'd killed him, she wouldn't be in a rush to take his coat and jacket. The reason she took them so quickly is because she knew he'd wake up again and she didn't want to deal with an angry man with a rifle. Also we _know_ she didn't kill the hunter because he's one of the 'leads' that Murray is following up on... if he was dead, he couldn't have told Murray about some mysterious girl in the woods.
And with how bad she felt about hitting Angela. I never thought she killed that hunter, just knocked him out with the closet thing to her, which happened to be a flaming log. Plus, she had every reason to be scared of him. She knew everyone was "hunting" for HER...and he had a gun. She wouldn't know that people walk around with them so casually. The tone of this entire video seems to be to slander her character, it's not cool at all.
@@maddie8415 Even if the hunter didn't have a gun, he would probably try to contact child services, and end up shot in the head like Benny was, because Brenner's goons would intercept the call. So, El wasn't just protecting herself by knocking out the hunter, she was protecting him too.
The whole reason she is hiding in the woods is because she doesn't want to put Mike and the others in danger. She saw Brenner's goons at his house questioning him. She's literally an 11 yr old child freezing in the woods, living off rabbits and egoos, just to avoid putting others in danger. So... not the monster.
Wasn't there a scene where the hunter goes to the police and says some weird girl stole his stuff in the woods which brought Hopper to the forest to leave food for her?
14:22 Michael: Slightly bloody nose
Her nose: *Blood gushing like a spilt half-open can of Sprite*
1. I have always assumed that the guys at Benny's were killed, but when you. mentioned the spoons it made me wonder if they weren't just knocked out cold. In the end, I think they're dead, but not by means of the utensils. Those probably got knocked over in the the confrontation. I think they had their necks snapped. Also, after El sees Connie Frasier murder Benny, she has every reason for fear for her life.
2. You're making assumptions about how many people were in each van. Just because 4 people got out of Brenner's van doesn't mean that 4 people were in the van that El flipped.
3. Not only does El have reason to believe her life is in danger because of Benny's death, when Connie appears in the hallway with the guards, as you point out they all have guns. Even if El expected to be captured, she expected her friends to be killed.
4. I don't think the hunter in the forest was killed, just knocked out and burned. Even if he did die, I don't think it was deliberate. - a freak chance. She's not using that much force.
I'd ad that about the hunter, if you pay attention to her reaction, she knows she has only knocked him out, cos if he was dead, she wouldn't need to be in such a hurry to take his hat and coat before he wakes up. Also, this is the same hunter that is mention in relation to leads followed up by Murray when he's working for barb's parents, so no, he didn't die. he just woke up with a bruised face and no coat or hat.
I think she tried to kill the hunter, cause she knew that he will tell someone that he saw a little girl in the forest and she was scared of the government finding her. I mean the kill wasn’t cool but she was a kid and I don’t think she thinks/thought about killing like other kids because she grew up totally different.
@@lavaniii3263 What makes you think she tried to kill him? She could have snapped his neck with telekinesis if she wanted to kill him. She hit him in the face with a small log, she knocked him out and quickly took his coat before he woke up again. If she wanted him dead, he would have been dead.
@@jimbobeire Maybe I said it wrong, I think she didn’t thought much in that moment, that she was panicked and just wanted to avoid the questions. But I think it is definitely possible, that she feared that the man would tell anyone that he saw a strange girl in the woods. (And he would tell anyone) and then the “bad guys”, means the government found out. Also, like I said, I thing her imagination of “killing” and “being dead” was different than the imagination of the other kids, because she grew up different and also killed people before.
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When she took that helicopter down and screaming, what a freaking epic scene💯
Ikr such a satisfying scene
Maybe my theory doesn't land well but I think in 1979 El wanted to kill One, but I suppose One was still using his powers to fight, so he wasn't killed but was banished in the UD. In 1983, I think she successfuly killed the Demogorgon. In S2 we see her waking up in the UD from a short coma, so El knew she was gonna be super exhausted and that's why she says "Bye Mike".
Further more, she probably didn't know why she was transported into the UD until 1986, meaning that when she uses her full potential she can open a temporary gate
Well, I think it was more than obvious that she is NOT a monster and it wasn't that many actual humans. It was only her defending herself or her friends, or trying not to be taken back to the lab (which WAS a hell hole, no matter who was fooled by the opening scene to season 4). She also clearly doesn't enjoy hurting people, after hitting Angela she started crying and felt so guilty about it even though Angela was THE WORST to her. Oh, and Brenner wasn't being kind to her when he picked her up after she killed those guys who were trying to lock her in the torture room...he was extremely impressed with what she did and praising/rewarding her for it. "Remarkable", he said. She had done was that sicko wanted her to do. So no, we don't need #JusticeForBrenner, we need #JusticeForEleven (and many of the other characters).
Nicely put.
@@jimbobeire Thanks..I just am still pretty surprised by this video, the fact that he counts all the demodogs that died when she closed the gate and saved everyone (including Will who was possessed) as "kills" that somehow add to her "death count" that might prove she's a "monster" is actually insane. These demodogs wanted to kill them all! Maybe this comment isn't very coherent but none of this makes any sense. It feels like an Eleven hate and Brenner apologist video. :/ I usually like this user's videos, though.
@@maddie8415 Eleven hate , Brenner apologidt video... yeah, maybe clickbsit basically. Just posting controversy rather than making an interesting point. That's not going to improve his 12% sub rate.
I think the reason that she said “goodbye mike” in the season 1 finale is because she assumed that she would fall into a coma, like she did when she sent Henry to the upside down.
Yeah that's quite possible, she probably thought she'd fall in a coma and get taken back to the lab or die
I kind of think that the amount of killing she does decreases throughout the seasons because of her growth as a character. During season one, all she has known is the lab, where she learned to fend for herself and protect herself because of all the violence, torture, emotional abuse, and physical abuse she endured. As time goes on she forms relationships with people she loves and has healthier emotional connections, which I think makes her more hesitant to kill people. Like in season two she doesn't kill the man in his apartment because she sees his kids, and now she can relate to the feeling of having a family because Hopper is a stronger father figure in her life. From the first season, she is worried about her own moral integrity. But I think the worry grows to become most prominent in season four, leading to fewer kills. Just my thoughts!
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amazing vid
lol she killed them with spoons
I want my cookies! Also, you should try and set your video locations to “The Upside down”
YES SIR
Michael Jae I noticed after watching several of your videos you seem to have confused about when 11 Escape Hawkins lab because of Henry showing her the tunnel that she would use years later to escape the lab she banished Henry in the year September 8th 1979 but she didn't Escape in season 1 until 1983 almost 4 years later also in this video she killed the demo dogs at Will's house not the cabin that's how he recognized the phone call but it's an easy mistake to make you should do a video correcting it I noticed a lot of people seem to be confused about this
I don't think she knew exactly what was going to happen, because despite her using the exact same move that she used against henry, we of course find out in season 4 that those memories are suppressed so she does not remember doing that at this time I don't think so maybe she thought she was going to die just from the energy she had to exert
i’d love the story to end with el literally having to learn that murder isn’t cool or a good way to avoid/solve her problems bc that’ll help change everything she was brought up believing bc if stranger things ended rn i’d be scared that el will never be able to adapt to people bc of the murder as first choice vibe. like if mike and el break up in their 20s i could see el going absolutely nuts like henry
I have to disagree, she knows killing is bad and only does it if she has too or in extreme situations. The bullies that attacked Mike and Dustin, she could have EASILY killed them, but she realised that
A: They where just kids
B: There was no need to kill them, they didn't have guns or anything
Then there is the guy that hurt her mom, she wanted to kill him out of revenge, quite justified given what he did, but stopped and even protected him when she saw he had kids.
She isn't morally perfect but she has a strong conscience IMO.
@@NaliTikva with the bullies one of them had a knife though
Michael Jae I noticed after watching several of your videos you seem to have confused about when 11 Escape Hawkins lab because of Henry showing her the tunnel that she would use years later to escape the lab she banished Henry in the year September 8th 1979 but she didn't Escape in season 1 until 1983 almost 4 years later also in this video she killed the demo dogs at Will's house not the cabin that's how he recognized the phone call but it's an easy mistake to make you should do a video correcting it I noticed a lot of people seem to be confused about this
That is the longest run-on I think I’ve ever seen
@@jakobyarns4369 I said no Loch Ness Monster you can't get my 350 I've already told you
@@treefiddy2453 what?
This is really good like there is so many.
Can we all just appreciate how Michal calls the mind flayer a meat puppet
Thats because thats actually a meat puppet and not the mind flayer
I want Angela back in season 5 so eleven can finally teach her a lesson
"I don't know you that well, kiddo. But I'm willing to bet the fate of the world... that you're One of the good ones."
7:47 How can you not tell that she was volunteering to disappear? She just saw in the corridor that Brenner's goons would have killed her friends, just like they killed Benny, so that's why she disappeared... it wasn't an inevitable consequence of using her power on the Demogorgon.
Oo nice idea
Don’t forget that when El transported Henry or 001 or vecna to the upside down she used her powers so much that she passes out and forgot about it until brenner showed it to her in season 4
4:03 Brenner is never showing compassion for Eleven, he is just amazed in how powerful she is when she wants to be. This is an ongoing theme.
The sound the squirrel makes and the way he hits the tree cracks me up every time.
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if el didn't exist, the show wouldnt + no one would have survived s1, definitely not s2. she has her faults but i believe she is good and she is essential for stranger things to work
She opened the first gate so if she didn't exist the entire series would've never happened
RIP Squirrel💀
Great video as always
Makes my day better when Michael uploads
Deat meat 2.0 lol love this vid jae keep the work up btw I do believe eddie is coming back like the character Kas or pasted out from blood lost
El gave billy a run for his money!🤣
Man's counted every demodog that fell in that scene damn
Oh no way. Those Demodogs and that Demogorgan we saw in S4, did they come from the bottom of the pit where El closed the gate? And the Russians came and collected them? Makes sense to me.
no, in season three hopper explains how all the tunnels and holes were filled. The russians only had 1 demogorgon but as we saw in the prison, they were breeding more thru some vague sci fi containers with liquid
@@Vlad07-z8h it was just a theory but just because the hole was filled doesn't mean the bodies weren't extracted, also they were only in a prison, i think its very unlikely that they managed to 'breed' new demodogs from a prison.
@@zinc6324 well it literally shows the test tubes where they are growing
@@Vlad07-z8h We have zero confirmation for what those tubes actually do, and what i said before i'll say it again, it was only a theory that makes way too much sense for it to be so easily debunked by your explanation :)
6:49 I think she wanted to go to the upside down, so that she would evade capture by Hawkins Lab staff
I love all your videos keep it up bro
If the Upside Down is supposed to be the Underdark, I think it is possible that in a spin-off they could do the Feywild. They have said they don't want it to be related to anything in current Stranger Things, as in no returning characters.
Love these vids
5:44 fun fact, this is the same doors that will ran out of into the field before he got possessed
hi jae back with a vid good job
Brenner didnt show no damn compassion, he was glad 11 used her powers to kill, which is what he wanted 😂
If you ask me, what the Flip was intended to go for was an ET fakeout. In case you havn't seen the movie before, towards the end of ET, there's an iconic scene where government goons are chasing the kids around town as they try to keep ET away from them. Eventually, they get cornered, but that is when ET, in one of the most iconic and copied scenes in all of cinema, lifts their bikes up and has them flying away. (Season 1 especially borrows heavily from ET, in fact, it was one of the 80s movies they made the actors watch as part of the preparation for their roles, though their collective group favourite is The Goonies)
Now, anyone who watched ET might, in this scene, be inclined to assume that Eleven will do something similar, save the kids by levitating them out of the action (We have, afterall, seen Eleven levitate Mike not much earlier in the season), but then, she flips the van instead.
So off topic but (hear me out), Episode 1 the Massacre flashback Brenner stands with his back towards door #13, it's closed & virtually untouched. Same with El in her flashback Ep 7 she roams the hall & again door #13 is closed & untouched. What is going on with that!? And how did Henry not know he didn't kill Brenner?!
Interesting what you say about number 13
"And how did Henry not know he didn't kill Brenner?!"
He might have let him live on purpose, to make him see all the dead kids, kind of like he did to his real father.
S1: 17 k!lls
S2: 41 k!lls
S3: 4 k!lls
S4: 5 k!lls
Total: 67 k!lls
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The boys that were bullying mike and dustin and tried to give dustin a "dentist appointment" weren't gonna kill them they were simply teasing them yhats why one of the bullys said that he doesn't have a great idea about this
Did you forget that Troy was forcing Mike’s hand by threatening Dustin with a knife unless Mike jumped into the quarry? Earlier Hopper said that a jump from that height would kill a person. Troy WAS trying to kill Mike.
@@pop_witch 100% correct. Troy was a psycho.
@@pop_witch Did Troy hear that? He was probably an idiot and thought the world opperates on cartoon physics.
I don't think El killed the hunter in Season 2. She needed his jacket so she knocked him out. She didn't kill him. So less this one, the final killing tally is 66.
Great topic, great video. I was fascinated all the way through.
Counting demogorgons killed is questionable. May as well count how many mosquitoes one kills in their life as a murder committed by someone.
El probably thought she was going to die when she took out the demogorgan in season 1. And she didn’t remember what happened with Henry at that point
I believe that the reason why El says goodbye is because she thinks she is going to die because she doesn't know what will happen. Remember that she forgets what happens in 1979. So she thinks that she is doing it for the first time and doesn't know the consequenses of the banashing power.
I really like your videos 🙂
the demogorgon in st1 can't have survived, she incinerated it alive, henry only survived that exact same move because she unvoluntarily opened a portal to the upside down before he could blast into ashes
7:53 I think the reason el says “goodbye mike” is not because she knows she going to the upside down,but rather that she feels the strain on her powers and her body this is the most exertion she used since Henry attack 4 years prior and that put her in a coma for a few days and made her forget the event and everything before it so eleven can feel this is probably going to kill her, And that’s why she said goodbye.
The demodogs died after the gate was closed can’t be added to El’s kill count
*Kills 26 people*
“It’s safe to say Eleven isn’t the true monster” 😶
Henry/Vecna/001 is the true monster, since he has a higher kill count (in Season 2, he used the Mind Flayer to possess the Demodogs and kill the lab agents, in season 3 he used the isolated part of the Mind Flayer to possess and melt several people, and in season 4, he used a piece of the MF to possess the Russian demodogs and kill the guards)
@@goldenguest778the_real I would like a kill count on all of those people vecna killed… but you can’t kill 26 people and then say she isn’t the true monster. As if killing 26 people isn’t a big deal. What person do you know has killed 26 people and isn’t considered a monster. Let’s be serious now
@@Burningdaylighter my point is: the Pure Evil Wiki says that Vecna has 52 direct kills, plus at least 100 indirect kills, so 152 kills is basically nothing if conpared to 26 kills, thus, Vecna is a complete monster with absolutely no redeeming qualities, that's why Eleven is not the true monster, because most, if not all of Eleven's kills were either self defense or to protect someone else
@@goldenguest778the_real I don’t know what “Pure Evil Wiki” is. That’s not official those are assumed figures so to me that’s not valid. Killing someone is still killing someone. And a lot of her kills weren’t even REALLY necessary. Stop trying to justify it because she’s a protagonist. No saint or good person kills 26 people. They don’t. Hell you would be deemed a monster in the real world for just killing one person with intent let alone 26.
Great video
lets see if dead meats numbers add up with this, cant wait
For some reason it just cracks me up how in season 2 she killed “1 squirrel, 1 human, and 39 demogorgans”.
“Slightly bloody nose” 😂
She killed out of self defense jeez it's almost like she's been held in a torture lab for most of her life.
They cheapened the budget for Hopper’s shack explosión for Eleven’s badass helicopter take down 😂
nah, she has probably done way more off-screen
Can you please do more Star Wars vids but great job on the vids
I don't know why that Jonathan looks like he just woke up from a sleep like lmao his hair 🤣
9:40 he's just knocked out
Him:have u ever wondered how many ppl 011 has killed
Me:no not rlly
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I can't completely agree, there needs to be more catagories. You need 4 of them. Definitely dead, maybe dead, animals killed, monsters killed. For example the orderly she threw into the wall may not be dead, the van passengers could survive people survive that kind of wreck all the time
She def killed that hunter because if not they wouldve mentioned it again. I dont think you see and get knocked out by a girl with telekenisis and keep it quiet.
Yeah, he did report it... the hunter is mentioned by Murray as one of his leads about the 'mysterious girl' , Hopper pretends not to believe him, but starts leaving food in the woods for her.
She only knocked out the hunter to protect herself _and_ the hunter. If he tried to 'do the right thing' by calling child services, the call would be intercepted by Brenner's goons like they did when Benny called for someone to help El. Remember Benny? Shot in the head by 'Connie'.
El knew she only knocked the guy out, that's why she was in such a rush to take his hate and coat before he came around again.
2:04-2:08 “It was cool to see his place in season 4” 😂🤣U should probably fix that😂🤣
I think it’s actually 40 demogorgons because it seems the one that flew through the window wasn’t counted.
When eleven temporarily gets her powers back and supposedly “kills the guards” isn’t true. The guards are actually still alive when owen’s is on the phone with Ellen and if anyone says I’m wrong you can go see for your self the episode is the Nina project.
oh! are it the same guards or different guards?
The way he keeps counting the squirel lol
S1-17kills S2- 41kills S3-4kills S4-5kills total:67kills 1squirel 26humans 40demogorgons/demodogs edit:love ur vids
I think your videos are amazing and I think one day I want to be in Stranger Things two and I also wish I can make good videos like you do
Btw,What happened to the gate that El escaped from Upside down in season 2 in Hawkins Middle School?
Good question.
It probably closed on it’s own. Remember that gates opened up by demogorgons don’t last very long.
@@basicpolygon5065 Oh yeah
I mean the van deaths are kind of hard to confirm because you don't actually see any dead bodies and no one mentions if they survived or not. Brenner survived getting blasted by a big heavy door so I'm sure they had a chance, right?
Even if you confirm the van deaths, that's legit self defense against Brenner's goons. She knows they're not law enforcement. She saw 'Connie' shoot poor old Benny in the head in cold blood, so she had every right to flip that van and kill those people so she could get away from them.
I don't think she killed the hunter. It looks like she just knocked him out. Now, he might have died from exposure once she took his clothes, but she didn't intentionally kill him.
Did y'all forget that the Hunter is one of the 'leads' that Baumann followed up in his investigation of a 'russian spy girl' in the woods. Baumann wasn't talking to a corpse.
I never thought she killed him, or at least not intentionally, just knocked him out. She was afraid of him because she knew people were trying to, well, "hunt" her down. She also probably didn't know that people carry guns so casually.
@@jimbobeire Why yes. Yes, I did forget that. :)
I don’t think El killed the hunter, just knocked him out and robbed him
9:56 that dude is not dead
Maybe next do hopper or the whole kill count from all characters
There’s a lot more demogorgon kills in season two, you only counted the giant hole, you forgot about the scene where it shows some dead demogorgons in the tunnels
Brenner got off easy with that death. Hashtag Justice for everyone he caused to suffer and/ or die. F that guy
One reason could be that Eleven said “Bye” because she assumed by killing demogorgon she would kill herself because as we know she had no memory of ever killing Henry
That part was lost, her memories of killing Henry were lost that is why she didn’t knew that
season two guy definitely died, if not from the knock to the skull, exposure after the fact for sure.
can u make all vecna kills (upsidedown kills)
she always killed the evil ones tho :>
THESE KILLS WERE SO DAMN BRUTAL🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯