Getting your Olympic medal 12yrs later means VERY LITTLE to the athlete besides personal validation. ALL the tangible rewards that come from winning an Olympic medal are long lost! Evaporated! They've lost massive contract bonuses and future contract negotiating power. They've lost opportunities to participate in both competitive & invitational meets *with* HEFTY appearance fees. They've lost public celebrity which DIRECTLY translates into dollars, brand deals, and countless other untold opportunities. These people have been cheated out of more than a simple medal. These ppl's careers have been materially damaged. They should be allowed to sue in some international court with the power to levy fines against offending sports federations & award damages to wronged athletes. Oh and look... the IOC has conveniently removed Russia's ban just in time for the 2024 Games.
Taken it away based on assumptions and manipulated testing to punish russia over ukraine is very bad test them all but 12 year later is ridiculous. Even if they did cheat 6th place? Way pass time. What in 50 years new testing will ban.the rest. This is ridiculous and most likely.politival as well.
Olympic Games in Atlanta 1996. Men's Swimming. Individual Gold medals in Men's Swimming. 2 USA. Jeff Rouse. Brad Bridgewater. Tom Dolan. only (3) three Individual Gold medals. 1. RUS. Alexander Popov. Denis Pankratov. only (4) four Individual Gold medals. Men's Swimming. Individual Gold medals in Men's Swimming. Olympic Games in Atlanta 1996 check: USA 🇺🇸 - RUS.🇷🇺. 3 - 4.
The 1996 Summer Olympics, held in the United States, in Atlanta. The Best Athlete of those games - Alexey Nemov. won five (5) Individual medals, and one (1) team medal. and in Men's Swimming at the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, Alexander Popov became the Best Athlete.
@@jhadebredenkamp97 we cant, but we can allow them to file legal claims that actually have teeth against lost of revenue. No one here is being a snowflake, sunshine.
Are you sure they are clean? This looks to be a Russian.smear propaganda because of ukraine and today a outlawing g lgbt activist at its olympics. Currently all russian athletes are banned clean or not because of politics now they are going back De aides to rip their medals by question able now testing on degraded dames and we cannot question that?
Because Flo Jo retired and she was world's fastest & black you are assuming that she was on dope? 😅 Yet we're always winning the races and any other sport's. Your father's are very good at date raping though!
I would argue that rather than being the dirtiest Olympics it was the first Olympics with really good testing. Previous Olympics merely look less dirty because the testing was not catching up with the cheats
Jamaica’s doping program needs to be looked at and given exposure. There was a documentary done about this subject many years ago but the subject gets very little press.
IIRC, the women's 1500 also from London was worse than this. At least 5 runners (gold/silver, then some lower places) were all found to have been doping and stripped of their medals and subsequent places. 2 from Turkey, 3 from Russia. Don't remember if anyone else was busted or not.
Seeing Caster Semenya in the new 1st position even tho she's also banned from most events nowadays is wild. Trying to compete in the 2010's as a regular clean athlete must have been impossible.
@@HashBrownDoylerYou need to understand WHY Semenya has high testosterone. The answer is testicles. Semenya has a 46XY chromosome setup, biological male, with a genetic disorder in the Y chromosome, that prevents the formation of male external genitalia. No penis, but also no uterus and no ovaries. So naturally high, since Semenya is biologically male. Simple as that.
Nah bro. This is some bullshit right there. Imagine getting awarded a medal 12 years after the fact, when your career at the top level is over. It's disgusting. Being this close to the podium only to realize that the people who beat you were cheating, Jesus. There's also a monetary side of things, because a bronze/silver medal probably helps secure better deals with sponsors/brands. We all know most of these athletes are paid like crap. Fuck
I hate to be that guy but the athletes moving up are also probably using ped's. Lets face it EVERYONE in the Olympic finals in all events are more than likely using some form of ped's.
@@marcusaurelius5149 caster is a woman, she's not even trans bro. People are projecting their outdated ideas of gender onto men and women like psychos. It's one thing to believe trans athletes would complicate the fairness of sports and it's another to be so misogynistic that you think women don't have testosterone 😂. Michael was more of a biological anomaly than Caster.
@@marcusaurelius5149 the fact that you made that statement just goes to show you don't really know what you are talking about and you're just being hateful because African people are keeping the Euros from winning medals in the middle and long distances. Please educate yourself because if you did, you'd know that BEFORE Caster's ban, it was established that she is indeed FEMALE. PLEASE do your research before commenting and being hateful for no reason because otherwise you just look stupid, which you probably are
@@user-xm3iy6ht1z I come in peace. Not looking for a fight. Probably won’t respond after dropping this. But do have two statements/questions. 1. Never said none should be singled out. Though now that you brought it up, I do question the motives behind which athletes/countries get singled out and which don’t. 2. Define “clean.”
Yes, I have seen this. Genzebe Dibaba and Faith Kipyegon didn't make it to the final (!), Hellen Obiri finished 9th or so. Years later she got the bronze medal for that. I pity the african girls for that.
Doping is an ongoing game of cat and mouse that's been on the go since at least 1956 (e.g. Hal Connolly) and, as history has proven, the sport still isn't clean today. The politics of the sport is another issue. They will point the finger at Russia for example but rarely if ever at the USA, which, like the UK, has a strong voice in international athletics. Take for example FloJo who still holds the world records for 100m and 200m, set decades ago.
All of Flo Jo’s records from 1988 were DIRTY as Hell. Before 1988, Flo had never broken 10.9 in the 100m. Then all of a sudden she’s breaking Soviet era Steroid records? The BULLSH!T on her records is obvious.
The USA and UK (and a few other western countries) probably have the most advanced and transparent testing regimes of all countries; not perfect, but the best you can get. FloJo's era was way back in the late-1980s when testing wasn't as regimented as it is today. As for her 100m record, check out the video of it and notice the flags around the IU stadium were all blowing straight out, yet the wind speed was recorded as zero.
This is bad, but the worst ever still has to be the 1988 men's 100m finals. Of the eight finalists, only two (Calvin Smith and Robson daSilva) are untainted with PEDs. Smith's bronze should be a gold, and DaSilva should have a silver.
@@peterk3028 He literally tested positive for stimulants at the Olympic trials, and if you actually look at the footage of his interview after, he is clearly wired.
A bunch of people are saying that we need more severe consequences, but, I don't know if that would work. I think we need an international out-of-competition testing system. A lot of the current problems we have comes from corruption within countries, and there would be fewer motivations for corruption in an international system.
_There are so many US athletes used drugs too and some of them even never been caught until they confessed themseives like Marion jones and Lance armstrong._
Such a thing happened to the German 4x100m women relay in 2001. They finished second after the US Team in the Edmonton WCC and got up-graded to gold in 2011.
I wonder how the passport works. Can you do a video on it? For example, I naturally increased my RBC count by about 7% in 2 years from 5.4 to 5.76 x10^12/L. Would that raise suspicion in an athlete?
most likely not. Let's assume doping agencies test for EPO. They'll have to take an RBC count over a long period time to consider EPO was used. If you have like a time course, or a series of proof showing a natural increase in RBC count over 2 years, it will attract little suspicion. Athletes who use EPO have a drastically large increase in RBC count over a very short time frame and that's why they get popped so easily.
Correct - likely not. As a cycling fan, I've (sadly) developed some knowledge of doping, anti-doping, and human physiology. Some of the markers the passport checks are the ratios between red blood cells (RBC) and reticulocytes (RTC) - "embryo" blood cells, if you prefer. Humans have developed the ability to generate extra RBC (in response to altitude, for example) but EPO and other erythropogenic substances do is throw the balance between RBC/RTC out of whack, because there is an extraneous hormone that's telling the body to produce extra blood cells. So there are too many reticulocytes in EPO-doped athletes (your body would know that it has "enough", so it'd reach homeostasis or even lower new cells). In the case of transfusions, other ratios are thrown off because when athletes remove blood and extract RBCs, body attempts to replace these missing components. So far so good - but when the red blood cells are injected now there are too many in proportion to the RTCs, and the concentration of RBC is also usual (like the old hematocrit failures). So these anomalies get flagged. Notably, you need a baseline to know what the "normal" athlete looks like which is why elite athletes need to be in the monitoring system for significant times before they can compete, so the system can learn what's normal for them and establish their individual baselines. You definitely expect some normal variations as these athletes train, compete, spend time at altitude and then enter their offseason.
What's up with the women's 800m?! Hoping you'll do a piece on the Rio 800m final, where all three podium finishers were DSD 46 XY. With the recent news that Christine Mboma has been cleared to compete in the 200m, this issue could come-up again at the Paris Olympics.
@@RobertJohnson-bj5lk Christine Mboma is intersex (DSD 46XY), she has a similar condition as the 3 medalists in the Rio 800m (Caster Semenya, Margaret Wambui & Francine Niyonsaba), as well as Beatrice Masilingi, Aminatou Seyni and likely others currently cleared to compete in the 200m. It's complicated but the revised WA rules changed the testosterone threshold, so it will be interesting to see if their performance is affected.
This is a very unfortunate situation, that makes it hard for all other athletes getting treated as they are guilty. This is a hard situation, nearly impossible to fix entirely but it is better to correct late than never.
Why does it take 10 years to catch doping? The testing seems pointless as a deterrent if it doesn't ensure a fair race on the day or at least w/in a year.
The women's 1500 meters in these Olympics was even crazier. With almost 7-8 athletes found guilty of doping including the original first and second place finishers.
At least the russian women are real women. I became a fan of women's running recommended by youtube in 2017 but not for the 800. I started watching this event when Semenya was gone.
It’s a shame because while the clean runners may get their flowers a decade lated, it doesn’t make up for potential missed sponsorship and brand exposure opportunities etc.
You are assuming these tests are true coming right after the ukraine war by coincidence? With so called new testing techniques. Even if true they are targeting Russians specifically as if they were asked to find a way to disqualify them 10 years later way past the statute of Imitation for mist things. Can you imagine if they tested and retested all Olympic non russian athletes the same going back say 50 years? And remember those tests are not 100 percent when the specimens have long since degraded and there can be funny business political rivalry going in here. .even the pcr covid tests were highly inaccurate you could take 5 tests in one day and get 5 different results. .i got a feeling this is what is happening they were told to me do testing over and over and change methods untill they got a guilty.
I feel so bad for Alysia. She has fought so hard for a clean sport, she’s been fighting this whole time and before the 2012 games. And to only now be awarded her Olympic medal. So much lost with all that time.
I don't know how Russia administers doping, but I would not be surprised if the Athletes themselves do not know they are being enhanced, both for plausible deniability as well as prevent them from them from speaking out when it's offered.
Why would the word of the Russian Athletics Association be needed to link Guliyev to the other two athletes of that 2012 race? (Not that any of them tested positive after that race, as you, yourself, acknowledged at 2:42 of the video.) If there WERE a Russian state-wide doping program 1) all Russian athletes should be assumed to be dopers and 2) why would anything said by the RAA be believed in any case? The primary "massive, pervasive issues there happening in Russia at the time" were the days that Putin was running the country- What, exactly, is an "intersex racing appearance"?
State sponsored doing is a Russian Federation problem, therefore the banning individuals only will not solve the issue. The athletes must go along with the program or be replaced with someone who does.
If You heard right, Russian Federation they are currently ban from all world events in World Athletics (track &b field governing body) and not allowed to compete anyhow but before ban.... Rest of story.
Lifetime ban as a deterrent. Same with other forms of athletic cheating like the 2017 Houston ASStros players (unpunished), coaches and manager many of whom have moved on to other teams.
Sadly drugs are the norm now in almost every distance race now another WR or course record both men and women all in recent times, these times are very suspect its not if but how many are on the juice.
one-time stripped. Consistent use, lifetime ban. As for Castor, I feel really bad. Maybe she was born with more male hormones and reproductive organs and her parents wanted a girl and raised her as a female.
The whole situation is so sad. Thinking about all that hype that went into this race and all the spectators that watched in awe as some athlete leads the pack in such a way as this. Most of those spectators won't even know that these athletes were cheating (they came, they saw, and they left) which clearly is a direct violation of the athletes that trained long hours and competed fairly and never got any glory. So sad.
I think that any world record that has been set by Russia, or from previous soviet union + DDR and east block countries chould be deleated. There is no reason to have them when it is so likley that the athlete was doped. It is destructive for other athletes that can't compete on equal terms as them to be compared to them at all!
@@crosslink1493 Americans use performance enhancing drugs for their respective sport, and yet the entire USA team doesn’t get banned from competing 🤷♀️
The sad thing is that most of the Russian athletes had no idea what they were being given they were told it’s legal and they could see the benefits and it was only a select few who knew the truth
The shame goes even further, those promoted athletes after 10 years missed loads of income because they didn’t get the medals when they deserved them. Medals pay, and for a lot of athletes it’s the only way to get a decent life after the sport, this chance was taken from them. So the IOC and the sports confederations have to look into a system to pay those athletes a fair amount of money, because the injustice goes further then a piece of bronze, silver or gold.
It appears to be rather interesting in that the athletes are not really tested for the actual drug used for doping, but rather the effects of the drug(s) in the doping process. This is not to imply that the analytical investigation is inappropriate or inaccurate. It is just interesting in that athletes should show a measure of consistency in their biological status rather than inconsistency from doping. OK
The athletes should be able to sue for lost earnings and opportunities due to the cheating and “programs” designed to do just that. That should include all countries including the USA. We have to stop sealing the fate of young people forced to do drugs younger and younger just to compete.
Caster Semenya has an intersex condition, she has XY chromosomes, from wiki "Individuals with this condition have XY chromosomes and normal male internal structures that are not fully masculinised". She has no uterus or vgg, but has internal testes which produce testosterone in a typical male range.
The IOC has stated that they are aware of chromosomal diverse athletes participating and must do blood tests to prove their blood hormonal levels are in the normal range.
I don't know what vgg means and whether Semenya has one, but the Athletics federation has stopped using chromosomes alone for gender identification decades ago after some tragic cases because they banned the wrong ones and didn't catch the ones who had high testosterone for other reasons. The difficulty is that intersex people with complete androgen insensitivity will for all athletic contexts be normal women with no advantage. Therefore the Athletics federation is now guided by the actual testosterone level and the exact nature of the intersex condition. That said, Semenya is no longer considered eligible and is banned from competing in the women's 800 m.
The Olympics should do it the way body building does it. They don't say "steroids class".. instead they have a natural class. We need to let these juicers juice!
They should just remove all Russian athletes from all European, World and Olympic championships from 2008 up to the point when Russia was banned. It was a state-sponsored programme, so it's odds-on they were all at it, else they wouldn't have been selected to compete.
The only way to judge the number of clean athletes is to go by prior Olympics before all the modern tricks, testosterone creams, etc., were standard practice.. In the 1988 Seoul Olympics endocrine balance tests were done. Prolonged steroid usage results in a hormone imbalance which shows up in a endocrine balance test. (Gross abuser of steroids) The tests showed 85% of all the Olympic athletes had a hormone imbalance. Additional cheating, through the usage of EPO, can be expected for cycling, etc.. (Modern tricks, testosterone creams, rebalance hormone levels) Ben Johnson lost his medal in 1988 for having a hormone imbalance : the publicized drug usage he was accused of, was shown to be fake in court. Assuming the motivation for cheating is as great, if not greater, the % of cheaters can be assumed to be similar : over 85%.
They should do like bodybuilding and have separate categories for the "juiced" and the so-called "natural" athlete. Hell, they even started allowing pro basketball players play for medals then we could no longer beat the world with our college players. I bet none of them were drug tested either.
Imagine if anyone in the Olympics was not doping. They should just make all drugs legal but have doctors monitor and allow a certain level of any substance.
Russia's ban should have been upheld a decade ago. The only difference is that the athletes hear the Olympic anthem instead of their national anthem. Countries with lax enforcement should not be allowed to send athletes, period.
It's part of politics to ban Russia (western) world wide, there's many nations having state wide PED program but Russia is simply having different ideology in politics which is leading their athletes to be banned even without proof of differential in biological passport.
Getting your Olympic medal 12yrs later means VERY LITTLE to the athlete besides personal validation. ALL the tangible rewards that come from winning an Olympic medal are long lost! Evaporated! They've lost massive contract bonuses and future contract negotiating power. They've lost opportunities to participate in both competitive & invitational meets *with* HEFTY appearance fees. They've lost public celebrity which DIRECTLY translates into dollars, brand deals, and countless other untold opportunities. These people have been cheated out of more than a simple medal. These ppl's careers have been materially damaged. They should be allowed to sue in some international court with the power to levy fines against offending sports federations & award damages to wronged athletes. Oh and look... the IOC has conveniently removed Russia's ban just in time for the 2024 Games.
I’d be more surprised if anyone was natural.
so true
Taken it away based on assumptions and manipulated testing to punish russia over ukraine is very bad test them all but 12 year later is ridiculous.
Even if they did cheat 6th place?
Way pass time.
What in 50 years new testing will ban.the rest.
This is ridiculous and most likely.politival as well.
Olympic Games in Atlanta 1996. Men's Swimming. Individual Gold medals in Men's Swimming.
2 USA. Jeff Rouse. Brad Bridgewater. Tom Dolan. only (3) three Individual Gold medals.
1. RUS. Alexander Popov. Denis Pankratov. only (4) four Individual Gold medals.
Men's Swimming. Individual Gold medals in Men's Swimming. Olympic Games in Atlanta 1996 check: USA 🇺🇸 - RUS.🇷🇺. 3 - 4.
The 1996 Summer Olympics, held in the United States, in Atlanta. The Best Athlete of those games - Alexey Nemov. won five (5) Individual medals, and one (1) team medal.
and in Men's Swimming at the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, Alexander Popov became the Best Athlete.
Imagine getting a medal more than 10 years after the race.
Happened when the Japanese team that initially came 3rd at the 2008 Beijing Men's 4x100m Olympic final got their silver medals in 2019.
Legendary tho. Medal already passed through 3 people ☠️☠️
Will they remake the medal if she doesn't send it back though?
and imagine you were also doping but just didn't get caught but got the medal 10 years later lol
Just heart breaking and some many endorsement opportunities missed.
Unfortunately, the clean athletes that moved up in placing lost out on all kinds of sponsorship money and endorsements
Okay but how are we supposed to turn back time? Stop being a snowflake
@@jhadebredenkamp97 u are stupid
No of them are clean bro🤣 just who gets caught and who doesn’t
@@jhadebredenkamp97 we cant, but we can allow them to file legal claims that actually have teeth against lost of revenue. No one here is being a snowflake, sunshine.
Are you sure they are clean?
This looks to be a Russian.smear propaganda because of ukraine and today a outlawing g lgbt activist at its olympics.
Currently all russian athletes are banned clean or not because of politics now they are going back De aides to rip their medals by question able now testing on degraded dames and we cannot question that?
1980's DIRTIEST time EVER😮😮😮
No OUT OF COMP testing - Until 1989 - FLO JO immediately retired 😊
If there were a time machine that would be the only better way to cheat
Because Flo Jo retired and she was world's fastest & black you are assuming that she was on dope? 😅
Yet we're always winning the races and any other sport's.
Your father's are very good at date raping though!
santa monica track club was basically USA national team and the whole team was on the shit, dont expect this channel to talk about that though
Thank you! Fans are getting tired of this…
Consequences need to be more severe to deter this. Lifetime ban and stripped of all lifetime achievements.
You're on the right track...if they banned the entire country if anybody on their squad is a lousy doper...that shit stops tomorrow.
Jail!!! Imagine the endorsement deals they lost because of the Russians cheating. The money making opportunity is long gone
Stop, all three of you sound hysterical.
@@frontierlandfrank5314There are athletes enough, let the clean ones compeed and the problem is solved. 😅😂🤣
@@frontierlandfrank5314stop what.
Actions have consequences.
The 2012 Olympics were considered to be the dirtiest olympics ever with the amount of athletes that failed dope test.
The '88 Olympics were worse...EIGHT of the 100 meter runners were caught doping and the testing wasmt as good back then😱
Trust me the 1980s Olympics were much dirtier. The testing just wasn't as good
Are any of you old enough to remember back when there was East and West Germany? Testing was basically useless and you could tell.
I’d be more surprised if anyone was natural.
I would argue that rather than being the dirtiest Olympics it was the first Olympics with really good testing. Previous Olympics merely look less dirty because the testing was not catching up with the cheats
Jamaica’s doping program needs to be looked at and given exposure. There was a documentary done about this subject many years ago but the subject gets very little press.
Jamaica became a Track powerhouse almost overnight about 20 years ago. Yes, Jamaica🇯🇲 is Suspect.
How many world champion track athletes these days are actually clean?
Not a single one.
You can totally achieve current world records clean lol.
Abby Steiner is in rehab right now.
Sabalenka, Swiatek, Sudenall, Gabby Garcia...but, those aren't champion track athletes are they?
IIRC, the women's 1500 also from London was worse than this. At least 5 runners (gold/silver, then some lower places) were all found to have been doping and stripped of their medals and subsequent places. 2 from Turkey, 3 from Russia. Don't remember if anyone else was busted or not.
Seeing Caster Semenya in the new 1st position even tho she's also banned from most events nowadays is wild. Trying to compete in the 2010's as a regular clean athlete must have been impossible.
Semenya never doped. She’s intersex!
You mean a man running against women. The problem I have with dogging Russia is that our athletes our on Adderall it's just permitted
And Caster is a man (XY), so still looking for a legit #1.
She has too high natural test levels
@@HashBrownDoylerYou need to understand WHY Semenya has high testosterone. The answer is testicles. Semenya has a 46XY chromosome setup, biological male, with a genetic disorder in the Y chromosome, that prevents the formation of male external genitalia. No penis, but also no uterus and no ovaries.
So naturally high, since Semenya is biologically male. Simple as that.
Nah bro. This is some bullshit right there.
Imagine getting awarded a medal 12 years after the fact, when your career at the top level is over.
It's disgusting. Being this close to the podium only to realize that the people who beat you were cheating, Jesus.
There's also a monetary side of things, because a bronze/silver medal probably helps secure better deals with sponsors/brands. We all know most of these athletes are paid like crap.
Fuck
I hate to be that guy but the athletes moving up are also probably using ped's. Lets face it EVERYONE in the Olympic finals in all events are more than likely using some form of ped's.
Don't use Jesus as a cuss word please.
I think one of the most controversial women 800m was in 2016 Rio. Fist three "ladies" were practically men.
They were all XY chromosome competitors
Savinova beat Caster Semenya...herself a biological anomaly..that should tell you something.
Chad le Clos beat Michael Phelps too, and everyone knows Michael, too, is a biological anomaly.
If you're gonna call people out, please just be fair.
@@jhadebredenkamp97 You don't even know what is male or female.
@@marcusaurelius5149 caster is a woman, she's not even trans bro. People are projecting their outdated ideas of gender onto men and women like psychos. It's one thing to believe trans athletes would complicate the fairness of sports and it's another to be so misogynistic that you think women don't have testosterone 😂. Michael was more of a biological anomaly than Caster.
@@marcusaurelius5149 the fact that you made that statement just goes to show you don't really know what you are talking about and you're just being hateful because African people are keeping the Euros from winning medals in the middle and long distances. Please educate yourself because if you did, you'd know that BEFORE Caster's ban, it was established that she is indeed FEMALE. PLEASE do your research before commenting and being hateful for no reason because otherwise you just look stupid, which you probably are
Cater didn’t cheat or try to cheat.
I think the odds of anyone at this level being entirely “clean” are slim.
It's a moral cop out to just conclude that almost everyone is doping and therefore none should be singled out. Sports needs to be kept clean.
@@user-xm3iy6ht1z I come in peace. Not looking for a fight. Probably won’t respond after dropping this. But do have two statements/questions.
1. Never said none should be singled out. Though now that you brought it up, I do question the motives behind which athletes/countries get singled out and which don’t.
2. Define “clean.”
@@ShakesTheClown46 I appreciate that. Not looking for a fight, either. 👍 Have a great day. 😊
And fans are tired
in the same 2012 Olympics, first and second place finishers from Turkey in women's 1500 were stripped of their medals.
Yes, I have seen this. Genzebe Dibaba and Faith Kipyegon didn't make it to the final (!), Hellen Obiri finished 9th or so. Years later she got the bronze medal for that. I pity the african girls for that.
Doping is an ongoing game of cat and mouse that's been on the go since at least 1956 (e.g. Hal Connolly) and, as history has proven, the sport still isn't clean today. The politics of the sport is another issue. They will point the finger at Russia for example but rarely if ever at the USA, which, like the UK, has a strong voice in international athletics. Take for example FloJo who still holds the world records for 100m and 200m, set decades ago.
All of Flo Jo’s records from 1988 were DIRTY as Hell. Before 1988, Flo had never broken 10.9 in the 100m. Then all of a sudden she’s breaking Soviet era Steroid records? The BULLSH!T on her records is obvious.
The USA and UK (and a few other western countries) probably have the most advanced and transparent testing regimes of all countries; not perfect, but the best you can get. FloJo's era was way back in the late-1980s when testing wasn't as regimented as it is today. As for her 100m record, check out the video of it and notice the flags around the IU stadium were all blowing straight out, yet the wind speed was recorded as zero.
This is bad, but the worst ever still has to be the 1988 men's 100m finals. Of the eight finalists, only two (Calvin Smith and Robson daSilva) are untainted with PEDs. Smith's bronze should be a gold, and DaSilva should have a silver.
You think Lewis was doping too.
@@peterk3028 He literally tested positive for stimulants at the Olympic trials, and if you actually look at the footage of his interview after, he is clearly wired.
@@wvu05I didn't know that. Thanks.
@@peter-5354 Any time
You should a do a separate video of the 2012 women’s 1500m final as well as there some wicked doping issues too.
They ban PED users for life, but the NCAA allows biological men to compete as women, in the United States. Figure that one out.
A bunch of people are saying that we need more severe consequences, but, I don't know if that would work. I think we need an international out-of-competition testing system. A lot of the current problems we have comes from corruption within countries, and there would be fewer motivations for corruption in an international system.
This is what they do, but some countries will make it impossible to get a hold of athletes. Plus corruption.
Naiveté is worse than the doping.
If you don't think the USA is dirty you need to wake up.
The USA is The Dirtiest we have elected a President with 91 felony convictions and his white people love him. Donald Trump is his name!
Talk about Flotrack diamond league shit
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He eventually did.
@@RobertJohnson-bj5lk Only took like a week to talk about the biggest news of that week.
_There are so many US athletes used drugs too and some of them even never been caught until they confessed themseives like Marion jones and Lance armstrong._
Marion and Lance were definitely caught, but not in a timely manner. Eventually everything caught up to them though.
Pamela Jelimo 1.54.01 was a real special talent!
Such a thing happened to the German 4x100m women relay in 2001. They finished second after the US Team in the Edmonton WCC and got up-graded to gold in 2011.
I wonder how the passport works. Can you do a video on it?
For example, I naturally increased my RBC count by about 7% in 2 years from 5.4 to 5.76 x10^12/L. Would that raise suspicion in an athlete?
most likely not. Let's assume doping agencies test for EPO. They'll have to take an RBC count over a long period time to consider EPO was used. If you have like a time course, or a series of proof showing a natural increase in RBC count over 2 years, it will attract little suspicion. Athletes who use EPO have a drastically large increase in RBC count over a very short time frame and that's why they get popped so easily.
Correct - likely not. As a cycling fan, I've (sadly) developed some knowledge of doping, anti-doping, and human physiology.
Some of the markers the passport checks are the ratios between red blood cells (RBC) and reticulocytes (RTC) - "embryo" blood cells, if you prefer. Humans have developed the ability to generate extra RBC (in response to altitude, for example) but EPO and other erythropogenic substances do is throw the balance between RBC/RTC out of whack, because there is an extraneous hormone that's telling the body to produce extra blood cells. So there are too many reticulocytes in EPO-doped athletes (your body would know that it has "enough", so it'd reach homeostasis or even lower new cells).
In the case of transfusions, other ratios are thrown off because when athletes remove blood and extract RBCs, body attempts to replace these missing components. So far so good - but when the red blood cells are injected now there are too many in proportion to the RTCs, and the concentration of RBC is also usual (like the old hematocrit failures). So these anomalies get flagged.
Notably, you need a baseline to know what the "normal" athlete looks like which is why elite athletes need to be in the monitoring system for significant times before they can compete, so the system can learn what's normal for them and establish their individual baselines. You definitely expect some normal variations as these athletes train, compete, spend time at altitude and then enter their offseason.
What's up with the women's 800m?! Hoping you'll do a piece on the Rio 800m final, where all three podium finishers were DSD 46 XY. With the recent news that Christine Mboma has been cleared to compete in the 200m, this issue could come-up again at the Paris Olympics.
What???
Mboma is totally a Dude.
@@RobertJohnson-bj5lk Christine Mboma is intersex (DSD 46XY), she has a similar condition as the 3 medalists in the Rio 800m (Caster Semenya, Margaret Wambui & Francine Niyonsaba), as well as Beatrice Masilingi, Aminatou Seyni and likely others currently cleared to compete in the 200m. It's complicated but the revised WA rules changed the testosterone threshold, so it will be interesting to see if their performance is affected.
Damn Russia, interfering with our sports and elections… Russia, Russia, Russia. 😂
God Damned Vladimir Puked In trying so hard to resurrect the Soviet Union. “Ve must Make Russia Great Again.”
What good a ban for life gonna do when this is 12 years ago and those two are far past they sell by date?
This is a very unfortunate situation, that makes it hard for all other athletes getting treated as they are guilty. This is a hard situation, nearly impossible to fix entirely but it is better to correct late than never.
Semenya could have finished first if he had wanted...so this video is B/S...
Why does it take 10 years to catch doping? The testing seems pointless as a deterrent if it doesn't ensure a fair race on the day or at least w/in a year.
JARMILA KRATOCHVILOVA🔥🔥
Do her.
Still holds 800m World Record, 41 Yeats later😮😮😮
Doped As Fukc!!!
@@RobertJohnson-bj5lk U think?🤣🤣🤣🤣
Huge JAW she has...is soooo Natural😁
41 Years later women haven't got NEAR her 1:53 World Record!!!
The women's 1500 meters in these Olympics was even crazier. With almost 7-8 athletes found guilty of doping including the original first and second place finishers.
Have three runners in an 8 runner final is very suspicious especially from Russia
Cant wait for the enhanced games.
At least the russian women are real women. I became a fan of women's running recommended by youtube in 2017 but not for the 800. I started watching this event when Semenya was gone.
It’s a shame because while the clean runners may get their flowers a decade lated, it doesn’t make up for potential missed sponsorship and brand exposure opportunities etc.
You are assuming these tests are true coming right after the ukraine war by coincidence?
With so called new testing techniques.
Even if true they are targeting Russians specifically as if they were asked to find a way to disqualify them 10 years later way past the statute of Imitation for mist things.
Can you imagine if they tested and retested all Olympic non russian athletes the same going back say 50 years?
And remember those tests are not 100 percent when the specimens have long since degraded and there can be funny business political rivalry going in here.
.even the pcr covid tests were highly inaccurate you could take 5 tests in one day and get 5 different results.
.i got a feeling this is what is happening they were told to me do testing over and over and change methods untill they got a guilty.
There should be some compensation for the new medal recipients, possibly funded by fines levied on the country.
Yea, there needs to be lifetime bans across the board or people are just going to play the odds.
I feel so bad for Alysia. She has fought so hard for a clean sport, she’s been fighting this whole time and before the 2012 games. And to only now be awarded her Olympic medal. So much lost with all that time.
I don't know how Russia administers doping, but I would not be surprised if the Athletes themselves do not know they are being enhanced, both for plausible deniability as well as prevent them from them from speaking out when it's offered.
Some Willingly take and others are forced not knowing from articles I have read and what documentaries on UA-cam I have seen.
Why would the word of the Russian Athletics Association be needed to link Guliyev to the other two athletes of that 2012 race? (Not that any of them tested positive after that race, as you, yourself, acknowledged at 2:42 of the video.) If there WERE a Russian state-wide doping program 1) all Russian athletes should be assumed to be dopers and 2) why would anything said by the RAA be believed in any case?
The primary "massive, pervasive issues there happening in Russia at the time" were the days that Putin was running the country-
What, exactly, is an "intersex racing appearance"?
Now I am waiting for your story about doping in Jamaica
State sponsored doing is a Russian Federation problem, therefore the banning individuals only will not solve the issue. The athletes must go along with the program or be replaced with someone who does.
If You heard right, Russian Federation they are currently ban from all world events in World Athletics (track &b field governing body) and not allowed to compete anyhow but before ban.... Rest of story.
This has been going on for years 😂
Average Kenyan runner to Gold Medal winning rooskie, "hold my beer" .
Kenya and Uganda died alot🤮
Women's 1500m in 2012 Olympics was even dirtier.
Lifetime ban as a deterrent. Same with other forms of athletic cheating like the 2017 Houston ASStros players (unpunished), coaches and manager many of whom have moved on to other teams.
Sadly drugs are the norm now in almost every distance race now another WR or course record both men and women all in recent times, these times are very suspect its not if but how many are on the juice.
If they don't ban these cheaters, then all those who have been banned in the recent past will sue them and that'll be another drama laced episode.
Ban any athlete that dopes.
Why Chinese still allow to compete in Paris Olympic after 23 of their swimmer used Drugs before Tokyo Olympic in 2020 ?
one-time stripped. Consistent use, lifetime ban. As for Castor, I feel really bad. Maybe she was born with more male hormones and reproductive organs and her parents wanted a girl and raised her as a female.
Caster Semenya is a Dude. Periodt.
Sad as hell that He was raised as a girl. He is truly the definition of being “mis-gendered”.
What
I doubt there is any russian athlete winning without doping.
...and now it's time to DQ the men from this race and other races... Zola Budd is the real South African 1500-meter record holder, for example.
Babe, wake up! Another terrible news video just dropped
The whole situation is so sad. Thinking about all that hype that went into this race and all the spectators that watched in awe as some athlete leads the pack in such a way as this. Most of those spectators won't even know that these athletes were cheating (they came, they saw, and they left) which clearly is a direct violation of the athletes that trained long hours and competed fairly and never got any glory. So sad.
I think that any world record that has been set by Russia, or from previous soviet union + DDR and east block countries chould be deleated. There is no reason to have them when it is so likley that the athlete was doped. It is destructive for other athletes that can't compete on equal terms as them to be compared to them at all!
yeah because USA never cheated ever right? 😂
@@thegamer97HS That's why Flowjos records on 100 and 200 meter sould be deleted as well
This is crazy.😮
But where do you stop, these girls stopped others getting into the final.
All Pro Sports is a Chemistry set.
how about Americans doping?
What about it? Pretty tough testing regiment that even gets some folks tossed out due to "whereabouts" failures.
@@crosslink1493 Americans use performance enhancing drugs for their respective sport, and yet the entire USA team doesn’t get banned from competing 🤷♀️
@@Victoria-nr6hc RUSSIA BAD! PUTIN BAD! 😂 no point talking to clowns
Our President is a felon does any of that really matter?
He is a good guy ain't he?
We love convicts running our country!
The sad thing is that most of the Russian athletes had no idea what they were being given they were told it’s legal and they could see the benefits and it was only a select few who knew the truth
🏅What if some 10-20 years from now IOC will rethink and restore the podium?🏆
What a chaiotic material... at the end I do not know, what it is about...
They probably won't be collecting the prize money back. I think cheaters are fine with giving up the glory for a check.
The shame goes even further, those promoted athletes after 10 years missed loads of income because they didn’t get the medals when they deserved them. Medals pay, and for a lot of athletes it’s the only way to get a decent life after the sport, this chance was taken from them.
So the IOC and the sports confederations have to look into a system to pay those athletes a fair amount of money, because the injustice goes further then a piece of bronze, silver or gold.
It appears to be rather interesting in that the athletes are not really tested for the actual drug used for doping, but rather the effects of the drug(s) in the doping process. This is not to imply that the analytical investigation is inappropriate or inaccurate. It is just interesting in that athletes should show a measure of consistency in their biological status rather than inconsistency from doping. OK
The athletes should be able to sue for lost earnings and opportunities due to the cheating and “programs” designed to do just that. That should include all countries including the USA. We have to stop sealing the fate of young people forced to do drugs younger and younger just to compete.
There's a big responsibility for testing to be good, so clean athletes can be the ones who win, and countries & athletes don't even try to cheat.
Caster Semenya has an intersex condition, she has XY chromosomes, from wiki "Individuals with this condition have XY chromosomes and normal male internal structures that are not fully masculinised". She has no uterus or vgg, but has internal testes which produce testosterone in a typical male range.
The IOC has stated that they are aware of chromosomal diverse athletes participating and must do blood tests to prove their blood hormonal levels are in the normal range.
I don't know what vgg means and whether Semenya has one, but the Athletics federation has stopped using chromosomes alone for gender identification decades ago after some tragic cases because they banned the wrong ones and didn't catch the ones who had high testosterone for other reasons. The difficulty is that intersex people with complete androgen insensitivity will for all athletic contexts be normal women with no advantage. Therefore the Athletics federation is now guided by the actual testosterone level and the exact nature of the intersex condition. That said, Semenya is no longer considered eligible and is banned from competing in the women's 800 m.
@@eljanrimsa5843. Because Caster Semenya is a Dude.
Woo go Jelimo and Montano!!!
The Olympics should do it the way body building does it. They don't say "steroids class".. instead they have a natural class. We need to let these juicers juice!
State doping. Sad.
They should just remove all Russian athletes from all European, World and Olympic championships from 2008 up to the point when Russia was banned. It was a state-sponsored programme, so it's odds-on they were all at it, else they wouldn't have been selected to compete.
In sane
The only way to judge the number of clean athletes is to go by prior Olympics before all the modern tricks, testosterone creams, etc., were standard practice..
In the 1988 Seoul Olympics endocrine balance tests were done. Prolonged steroid usage results in a hormone imbalance which shows up in a endocrine balance test. (Gross abuser of steroids) The tests showed 85% of all the Olympic athletes had a hormone imbalance.
Additional cheating, through the usage of EPO, can be expected for cycling, etc..
(Modern tricks, testosterone creams, rebalance hormone levels)
Ben Johnson lost his medal in 1988 for having a hormone imbalance : the publicized drug usage he was accused of, was shown to be fake in court.
Assuming the motivation for cheating is as great, if not greater, the % of cheaters can be assumed to be similar : over 85%.
No. 1972 USSR vs USA Olympic basketball.
wow..
Ban them forever.
ALMOST as dirty as the women's 1500m.
Cheaters should also have to give back all money they ever made from any endorsements etc.
mere politics
Mo Farah was doping too
proof?
@@leroy44 leaked dna passports like 10 years ago shows wada think he is possibly doping
@@leroy44 Has none. Complete Imbecile
They're all using.
They should do like bodybuilding and have separate categories for the "juiced" and the so-called "natural" athlete. Hell, they even started allowing pro basketball players play for medals then we could no longer beat the world with our college players. I bet none of them were drug tested either.
Ban the Russian Athletic Federation. Why let them off the hook?
Why? Americans also get caught doping so should the entire United States team be banned as well?
Lol at only getting 6th place while cheating.
I guess it is fair game when there's a man in the field, though.
How is a Russian doping in the London games "news"?
There were 3 intersex athletes in that race.
United state doping
Oops cant say that.
Just watch the documentary Icarus
Los test deben hacerse antes de correr no después de ganar
Imagine if anyone in the Olympics was not doping. They should just make all drugs legal but have doctors monitor and allow a certain level of any substance.
Russia's ban should have been upheld a decade ago. The only difference is that the athletes hear the Olympic anthem instead of their national anthem. Countries with lax enforcement should not be allowed to send athletes, period.
Change title to GREAT NEWS
It's part of politics to ban Russia (western) world wide, there's many nations having state wide PED program but Russia is simply having different ideology in politics which is leading their athletes to be banned even without proof of differential in biological passport.
someone with a brain between a bunch of idiots in this comment section