So basically you have an Android tablet that can also act as the screen and extra speakers for a screenless laptop. That makes it seem a little less weird.
It feels a bit pointless if they can't interact with each other though, even with the shared 10gb folder. Why couldn't the tablet at least show up as an attached device so that you can use its 256gb of storage in windows?
To be honest: I really like it. Having a powerful laptop for the usual work, but having the possibility to take the screen as digital notepad etc sounds pretty useful. Also you don't have to keep the screen attached, if you use the laptop on the docking station.
Incredible that Microsoft failed to make a worthwhile OS for smart devices so badly that Lenovo went out of their way to make a 2-in-1 Windows Laptop that doesn't even use Windows when it's in Tablet mode.
it's really all about apps. Even with the windows phone, which was good, barely had any app support. Adoption rate was very slow, so no incentive for devs to port their apps. And i think people like to hate on Microsoft with everything they do. So no one would give them a chance, even if they try again.
i don't think so win 11 is relative smoothe in tablet mode. The biggest drawback of windows is really that many programs didn't update there ui for touch input but with subsystem for android u get apps that are build around touch input. This device is coming 5 years to late. Its the classic Lenovo Gimmick that is too expensive and it will be discontinued before it get fixed to a usable degree.
Yes, but to be fair, Apple also failed. This is because neither company is good at software of course, not because it's actually hard. Quantum physics is hard. A desktop that can tell if it should be doing touchscreen things or desktop things, is not.
@@VaporSpritestrongly disagree with that statement. I’ve had nothing but good things with their stuff, and their support is better than the competition. They sell cheap products, but you get what you pay for. They tend to be the best in their price category.
They should sell these separately and keep the display for the models next year the same and only upgrade the bottom part with new hardware this way they can tout their green and planet friendly agenda and also keep the device going and make moneh
Nah, the display part should already come with Android 14 and have a SD 8+ Gen2 or Gen3, i mean my almost one year old phone has the 8+ gen2, im not buying anything older when buying a brand new device...on the other hand the price of this is pretty reasonable and its thin and light...
I'm honestly all for this. Instead of trying to force windows to work on a tablet just switch to an OS made for tablets. This is also getting us closer to my dream of my phone being my main computer and I just have a series of docks.
HP and Nexdock tried the whole laptop shaped dock for a phone. It never caught on because the dock cost as much as a low end laptop. So for 99% of people, it didn't make any sense at all.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872it didn't make sense with phone but with tablet it does, I have asus x13 and i always thinking I want to bring my tablet but decide not too because added weight. Now that I think about it I wish my current tablet can be use as portable monitor maybe that is better product idea
@KurosuKirie You can use iPads as a portable monitor for a Mac, the feature is built into iOS. I'm pretty sure Samsung tablets can work similarly for Windows or KDE.
In the case of Microsoft Surface Book, the keyboard wasn’t completely useless. It held a GPU in it which was connected to the tablet with their proprietary PCIe 4x connection.
Yes, and the keyboard has to be heavier than the tablet/screen so the Asus ones I had contained batteries. eGPUS are getting faster, so lots of solutions could work.
@@jonevansauthoryes but when you disconnected it was nothing but dead weight. Plus trying to use that screen as a tablet was awful, even if you added custom software to try and fix that. Having a native android just makes that so much easier!!
What the hell, that sounds wayyyyy better than this. A tablet PC that can actually use a discrete GPU sounds amazing. Its one of the only reasons I couldn’t use a Surface Pro.
As an engineering student, this laptop would be perfect. Carry only the tablet when all you need is to take notes, carry the laptop when you need to do CAD or use other software that actually requires a windows laptop and not a tablet. I hope that in a couple years they will come with a less expensive mid range option at 1.5k or less.
what if you want to quick-present your CAD but don't want to carry the laptop, i mean there is must be some cases that you just want to look at your CAD diagrams/design and just carrying tablet, this laptop solution is not ideal. at least in my opinion, i'm no engineering student but i do design, and sometimes i need to detach my laptop screen to quick present the design from my Illustrator to the client, and i need full desktop software to do that.
@@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhata you can export a PDF that contains the CAD model and is movable, that's what you send the client so he can see the model but not steal it. I suppose you can do that on Android
@@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhatai think its better to take smaller tablet for presentation, this one abit too big. If you wanna take a note by hand just use tablet, but if you wanna type just use laptop keyboard. Bringing both doesn't looks practical or usefull since you just must chose either one
Honestly this feels like a really innovative and kinda cool concept and I'd like to see it again in a couple years down the line. Don't quite know what the use case is.
As a Surface pro 8 user, I can tell you I still prefer to use my samsung android tablet for leizure browsing and entertainment. I hardly ever use my surface pro as a tablet, which it's supposed to be. It's just that android feels much more intuitibe and easier to use in touch user interface devices.
I'm a coder and If want to code on a tablet the best way is to be on windows / linux because I use some software that simply does not exist on android (or not easily accessible through the play store). However I dont want to use my tablet just for coding, I like playing supercell games, watching disney + / crunchyroll offline when I'm on a trip, and android is just perfect for these tasks as windows simply does'nt support these features natively (I never got my supercell games to run on android using WSA or emulators and disney + and crunchyroll native windows apps are just copies of their respective web apps that don't support download to watch offline). I tried running android for x86 in dual boot with windows on my 128gb/8gb/intel m3 surface go 2. I even tried Chrome OS which was quite nice with linux apps enabled, but it was making my tablet overheat... So for now I'm using WSA for android apps that are supported (disney +, crunchyroll, but sadly no supercell games) That's why having access to these 2 OS on the same device would be perfect for me.
this thing just killed my surface with Windows Subsystem for Android. This is the very best alternative for my use cases : giving me the oportunity to have windows apps (for coding) and android apps (for stuff like disney + and crunchyroll which does NOT support downloads on their native windows apps). However I'm concerned about the repairability of such a complex device, I'm definitely gonna dig even deeper on that subject. Many thanks for showcasing this cool product !
Maybe this time, something like this will actually find it's way to consumers? This idea has been around since Windows 8. Asus had a few very nice prototypes to show for. But they never left the prototype stages.
It's not exactly far newer, as there's only a 6 month gap between the two. There's about a 20% improvement from +1 to 2, but it's not that big of a deal. Still, it is indeed wrong to say that it's the latest SoC - especially with the 8 gen 3 having long been out by the time this hits the market.
@@Dnxl03 It's not on tablets though. Only on a few phones. I don't even think there is any manufacturer putting new Snapdragon flagship chips on their tablets other than Samsung. Most of the Chinese stuff I've seen was relatively cheap and used budget SoCs or older flagships at best.
I still have an Asus Transformer Book Trio in the cupboard from 10 years ago that does exactly this. Worked very well until Asus dropped support for updating Android and the switch button stopped working. Unfortunately, it's also from the days where Android on a tablet was absolute crap.
@@alieffauzanrizky7202 In it's prime, the PC was decent, I swapped the original spinning rust for an SSD. The tablet always struggled a bit, I seem to remember there being an issue with very slow RAM but can't find anything online about it now. My biggest pet peeve was when the tablet battery died, it would have issues switching back into Windows. I loved the concept, liked the machine but the lack of support that was required for the switching button to function did affect my decision on my next laptop, I wanted something standard with solid support and got a Dell XPS in 2017 that despite a couple of new batteries, is still going strong on Windows 10
i ditched it when 720p youtube playback wasn't smooth anymore, even after a fresh install or booting in Linux, mine poorly aged. The tablet part was kind of a monster tho, the Atom was rocking Hill Climb Racing and taking notes. Also, huge battery life when connected to the keyboard and using only Android, that was nice.
I can honestly see the appeal of this idea as someone who often carries both a laptop and a tablet. The price is a big obstacle but I'd love to see more such devices
The price for this is really reasonable. A similarly specced laptop and tablet combo would run at least $2k, and you get the convenience and perks of them being integrated into each other.
@@user-uw4uv3cy7l What the duck are you even talking about? A proper laptop can be found for a 1000 USD and a proper phone can be found for 500-600 dollars. High end phones especially are such a scam, who the heck carries around a 1000 dollars brick that can fall down and shatter?
I haven't been this excited for a new laptop since framework. I hope this becomes a new form factor that takes off because it's very useful. I can see this being especially useful for a university student where they can take notes down on it as a tablet and when they need the software and hardware of a laptop, just dock and continue doing work. Needless to say, I love this thing and can't wait for it to come to market.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Then I would suggest you buy a lotto ticket with that kind of luck lol, though they where few and far between I did have a handful of windows 7 updates refuse to download/intall, meanwhile 10 oh I hate theee... Seriously have you not heard of all the Windows 10 update oops that have happened? Should clarify. My desktop 10 has been 90-98% fine, my sister's laptop a windows 7 machine with a clean install of 10 is pretty stable but my old mans laptop that came with 10 makes me want to toss it out the window...
@@jesusbarrera6916 A, that is a myth. Files were never deleted, only hidden. B, it only happened to people who volunteered to be in an early access group. C, I never pretended to be special, if anything the opposite, maybe you're projecting a bit.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 basically for us We used XP from realise to End of Support (I still use it on stand alone machines) Did we have problems pre SP2 and 3 yes but most of it was minor announce than major one's. In fact the worst oops was a adware that hijacked the browsers that was hard to get ride of and a Trojan horse that thankfully our firewall kept from calling home but was reeeeeally dung into the system. We have also used 7 from realise to end of support (again I still use it on stand alone hardware) we've had a over half a dozen windows 7 machines over the years and had very few problems infact I count the major problems on one hand, one of which was caused by an update. Then there is 10. The ONLY machine that hasn't been a headache is my 3700x desktop. I dislike more things about 10 then I like, in fact the only positives is new UI and Dark Mode. If 12 is more of the same then support for 10 ends I may no longer be a life long windows user. 10 is basically windows 95/Vista all over again for me and I'm just about feed up.
It's not a bad device. The only problem is that updates are gonna make the tablet aspect redundant in a few years while the Windows can still run as long as Windows provide support for it. Which is long enough. $2000 for a dual "2-in-1" is pretty steep too. Especially how long this thing could potentially lasts.
@@mehshutup3041 yeah it's Android can still run for 5-10 years without major OS updates. But other apps that requires recent security might be affected by it. The problem here is that Windows support runs longer than Android's so once those grace period are over, your basically stuck with a laptop with 2-in-1 functions being obsolete. Hard pill to swallow when you pay $1999 for this.
@@mehshutup3041 Some apps require very modern Android versions. For example, the latest play store version of Facebook currently requires Android 11.0 or higher. Given that Lenovo doesn't have a great track record of Android updates, you could already encounter compatibility issues after 5 years of ownership.
@@joelconolly5574 I still don't understand why Android support time is very short. A top flagship phone from 2019 can still crush the majority of today's mid-range phones in terms of performance, but they are losing their value so fast because of short OS update support 5 year of update support is honestly still too short for today's flagship Android devices, must be at least 8 years or more
A great move in terms of making innovation based on practical use, not just a hybrid gimmick. I personally can imagine how useful it is to be able to switch between Windows and Andriod. Look forward to the full performance review!
Some people might not be into that, but I can see some loving this idea, with more maturity and development for file sharing between the systems. Android in a way that is more convenient than Windows Subsystem for Android (and the lack of apps on the Amazon App Store). Others amongst us will make do with Phone Link. I could like the concept, especially as a business traveller, but it does need more work in my opinion, and not at that price.
A Samsung galaxy tab in this form factor would be incredible. The tab s9 ultra is amazing. At times I wished it could handle the full desktop chrome experience or the full office. When I'm on windows sometimes I wish access to some touch optimised apps. Something akin to that could fill that gap. I wonder if mac/iPad variant could be successful too.
Yes lol. Tho (from personal experience) Samsung Dex doesn't suck as bad as just "android but big screen." Especially with dex max helping to smooth some things over
android works good on chromebooks, only problem is that some apps dont let you chose dynamic resolution, so they are phone-sized. A little bit like when iPad could use iPhone apps in the begining.
I would have loved it if instead of the proprietary pogo pins, it had an additional type-c port on the bottom of the tablet side... that way the minipc/keyboard could have a free extra usb output port to be used with an external monitor with a simple cable extension and the tablet side would have an additional type-c port for charging or even use it as an external monitor for other devices (like the lenovo tab extreme)
@@ThisNoName A thin, stick/line like dock that can connect to the either of the 2 parts of this laptop via these pogo pins would be neat actually, yeah.
The 8+gen1 GPU is really fast. I reckon its as fast or faster than the new Intel integrated arc GPUs. Emulation would be a niche market for it. There isn't a single Intel chip that can emulate the Switch or PS2 at 7W... The 8+gen1 can. And for the older stuff, it can do it at 5W. Very very long battery life. That also translates to light weight tasks. Gmail on android probably takes 2W to run while on Intel, it might be running at 10W.
I have a Chromebook, its got a Intel I3-1215U cpu (so 2 performance cores, and 4 e-cores). The Chromebook runs ChromeOS, Android and Linux at the same time. I run a few android apps (many games), I use Linux to code in (visual studio code, nodejs, python), and ChromeOS for fast browsing. (It beats my Ryzen 5600x in browser benchmarks) it also a Lenovo Flex, so it can be used as a tablet.
@efad3215 Who develops apps for Android tablets? It's also not very convenient because it takes a few seconds to switch, why not just use a phone or emulator?
This is the most innovative thing to come out of CES this year. It's really a shame though that Microsoft won't invest in getting android working seamlessly with Windows.
Interesting idea. The execution though has some room for improvement yet. Hopefully it sells good and Gen 6 next year would have better IO and improved user experience between the two OSs.
6:03 a solution to the hybrid folder is to just move things out of the folder as soon as you transfer them over. I know it's not one step but it seems pretty simple on this device
This is exactly what I was looking for when I ended up buying the Flex 5 a few years back, so I could absolutely see myself upgrading to this. Though I'd love to see the share folder being size-adjustible, maybe they'll think about it.
I'm digging this. I use a 2-in-1 (ROG Z13) for school and work on the go. And to use the tablet mode is not great because it still runs on Windows; so it is still better to use it as a laptop, which then defeats the purpose of the tablet mode unless you're using it as a 2nd PC screen/portable gaming. Great work on coming up with a niche product that is greatly appreciated. I'm definitely gonna consider getting it.
for me is basically a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, just add more complication, more component, more weight, and more price. i love my 2 in 1 Laptop, i can detach the screen when i need to present something to my workmate, or when i just need some quick note, or even when i need portable teleprompter in some situation. For that use case, i don't think modern Windows (Windows 11 in my situation) have a problem to adapt the interface to tablet. and the most apparent problem to this lenovo new "solution" is file interchangeability, i mean yeah they had some shared space between the others, but how about syncing if there's a little edit when using tablet. i'd rather stick to dual boot solution, because when i'm on Android, obiviously i'm not on "Working" mode, and just using tablet for consuming, or maybe playing some mobile games.
This is an excellent example of a solution in search of a problem. "Can you adjust the size of the synced folder?" 'No' "Why not?" 'Cuz eff you, that's why!"
There is a problem. The problem is that Microsoft doesn't allow its partners-manufacturers to run other operating systems on a device that runs Windows. So the solution was: "Lets make it two devices then".
@@DimosGNSthat doesn't solve the problem of tablet + computer quite as well though. You don't need the weight of a Windows laptop in your tablet, you just need a small processor and a little memory, because it's a toilet PC.
i def need to get this since ive been asking for this setup for years!!! been trying to get apple to do the same thing; use a ipad as screen and run macos when docked, etc. would print money!
If they can make a KVM/Sidecar sort of software for this then it would make sense for a lot of people. Most ppl use android tablets for a few apps anyways, but those apps only work well on native android tablet necessitating lugging around a another device w/ your laptop. This could be significantly less awkward if done well.
Now I wonder if this would work with another OS on it? Like Linux on the laptop and a degoogled Android on the tablet. Would not be ideal for sure, but if it at least works mostly the same that opens the door for more use cases
A 2-in-1 which makes sense. We need more of these, other companies please take notes...!! Edit: okay but at that price point I might as well get a laptop and a tablet
Logitech multi-device shenanigans coming in clutch for this one. I already use the same mouse+keyboard to use 2 pc and my samsung tablet, this device could actually be made for that kind of technology
The problem with the this Thinkbook it's too fragmented, nothing is really as integrated as it could be. A more grounded solution would have been to make it a 2(.5) in 1 Android and CHROMEBOOK X/Plus with the option to dual boot a secondary Linux distros in laptop mode; thus keeping it in the ecosystem. The keyboard could then access the additional ram and battery with even any opportunity for ultra-light gpu(or the snap gen 2 can access higher amounts of RAM). The additional power for developers, virtualization, gaming and content creating, it would've expanded an already zealously thirsty market.
@@FaridRudiansyah I would combine MacOS and IOS in a way, so that you could use Apps for Macs on the iPad and If you Plug a Keyboard and Mouse in, then use IT Like a MacBook with Touchscreen. Also this would make IT very nice to use the iPad as Touchscreen or Just move your Windows from Mac to your iPad and interacting with them nicely with Touchscreen. Also the OS should be able to Switch between Desktop and Mobile Mode, otherwise IT would be wierd.
I can certainly find a use for this and honestly sounded pretty good. I was sold on it until it heard the price point. I'll keep carrying my thin laptop and tablet thank you very much.
$2000 seems reasonable for such novelty device, but when you start thinking what laptop and tablet combination you can get for $2000, it stops making any sense.
Say the Android tablet board side of things breaks, the NAND runs out of life, the battery dies, or something. Would docking it still let it be used as a screen and speakers for the Windows laptop side?
Just genius for students if the pricing is fair and correct (in relation to the performance). A 2 in 1 device to always keep your notes with you but also have it work as a laptop is really good.
As a former surface book owner, I really liked the surface book form factor, the detaching tablet head was great, and I got the model with the GPU in the base so that was fun. Until the battery in the top swelled and I had to have it removed. Despite the probability that that device is unrepairable I am interested because I enjoed the surface book so much.
I think it'd make more sense on a gaming/workstation laptop or something. A good 2in1 / thin and light should be portable and have decent battery life anyway... I'd like to see this on something with dedicated graphics and a big battery. As a developer, I sometimes wouldn't mind leaving my battery sucking laptop at home or in my backpack and just taking the tablet part to a meeting.
To choose who don't get it, it's a android tablet which comes with a windows keyboard. The tablet acts like a display when you connect it to the keyboard.
Not gonna lie, this is my DREAM laptop configuration!! After being salty owning the Surfacebook trying to make it touch friendly, this is SO MUCH better!! Sure the windows part is underpowered, but they got the form factor right! Next model of it I will certainly switch from my Surfacebook studio if they crank the power up a notch!
Pity office on android is so not optimised, particularly for pen input. However, the concept is actually pretty sweet. What about intel in the base and arm in the tablet? Now that would be kewl
This would be great for students if it was with a base level chip for the tablet part and an i5 (sorry, core 5) for the pc, and with like 16 gb of ram. And at half the price. Still the best solution yet was the surface book, where you got a windows tablet, and by adding the keyboard you could get extra battery and a full GPU. That thing with a better touch OS would have been the best
I LOVE LOVE LOVE this idea. It's so useful. I hate dealing with a laptop on a plane, but a tablet is easy. But I still want a full laptop for productivity. And I would rather not carry a laptop AND a tablet when I travel. Want! Unfortunately, it is entirely too expensive for me to buy.
This concept is actually not bad, if extended further. Give the tablet two hinges so it's foldable into a smartphone, make the shared memory bigger and I'm actually sold.
The easier cheaper way is for the screen to be detachable and just battery operated no soc inside, only transform to wireless display with touch function for the base pc (no more cameras in or out too). Then create special GUI (similar to launch box, steam big picture or any simple android launcher) than can be launched on top of windows so that the display can act as a tablet pc. Using UWP type softwares is optional for easier tablet mode for apps.
I like this unit. I have a professional sound/lighting business on the side and I use tablets to control my wireless/wifi mixer. It would be nice to be able to use this unit as a laptop at home for personal business, then detach the tablet to take on the road to control my sound system. Not sure I can justify $2,000.00 to upgrade right now, but maybe in the future.
MKBHD once said that 2-in-1 devices will always compromise on either part of the duo. So I am curious whether this has a worse PC experience, or a worse tablet experience. Cause at first glance, this laptop hybrid seems to have no compromises on either ends. I guess we'll see when this goes on shelves later this year.
Laptops are at a stage of innovation which smartphones should be in right now. Turns out the best Android tablet today... Is actually a screen for a Windows laptop. But seriously, this and Acer's 3D display tech is considerably impressive compared to the 2010s monstertops (except for the newly soldered RAM, storage, etc., lackluster IO)... Makes Framework very competitive or needing to innovate in more than just being an open design
Glad to see a proper in-depth look at this… I really hope this is enough of a success that Lenovo develops and expands the concept, because when it's a bit lighter and cheaper (maybe with a taller 13" screen?) I'm in. It's just a recognition of the fact that attempts to either shoehorn Windows into touchscreens or Android onto desktops have been kludgy AF. Oh yeah, and Lenovo, the name. Thinkbook Plus Gen 5 Hybrid? Seriously?
at 1999 I feel it's better deal than iPads and Galaxy Tabs since with all out options top ends costs almost same but you get a quite decent windows laptop with it
I like the concept. A powerful laptop, but also having a notepad with you all the time. depends on the price, but maybe. The issue as always with lenovo: there software support is pretty bad.
I recently bought the Duet 3i, and I love it. At 11", It's more manageable in tablet mode. Mine is running Chrome OS, which obviously includes support for Android and Linux containers. The only thing I like about the one you showed is that it has a solid hinge, making it easier to use in laptop mode, especially on your lap, or when laying down.
Yes, the problem with that is, it's running Chrome OS so it's completely useless to me as a desktop or laptop. That's why we need quite a few different products, so we can all have stuff that suits our work, entertainment and lifestyle needs. Although I'll never understand why people persist in using laptops on their laps, when tablets are right there.
@@jonevansauthor I guess because you can type faster and more comfortably on a physical keyboard than on a touchscreen.. Personally I prefer ChromeOS over windows. Especially because I can also run android apps and desktop Linux apps.
I love detachable devices. My current wishlist is a Rog Z13 because it's better than that Surface Pro. It could be my tablet, it could be my desktop and my laptop. But it's all Windows which is apparently not ideal on touchscreens. It also can't be my desktop, and my tablet at the same time. I'd get up, and go to use the tablet, and it can't be doing anything normal in the background. This Lenovo design sits in a great niche for me. There's a lot of people out there with a tablet they wouldn't need if their laptop was like this and most people don't use the grunt of expensive laptops now anyway - they can't even find a task that pushes them at all. I'm definitely here for it.
I've found that a laptop, a dock and a foldable phone is a pretty optimal combination. I think I should've prob gone for a portable ROG laptop and an Asus eGPU instead of separate gaming and portable laptops, but I haven't felt the need for a tablet or proper desktop computer at all. Have already gotten benefit of the gaming machine being moveable, if not truly portable the way the phone and MBA are.
Seems pointless for any regular user, especially if the only real interconnectivity is a non-configurable 10gb folder. And for 2 grand, I can get 2 devices with cash to spare
concept is good....if lenovo can do one more thing...the android tablet part do seems like mobile phone integrate voice phone feature and LTE or 4G share to notebook reach internet.... it can more value for customer
Im not sure if this is genius or really stupid. I'll give Lenovo credit....it seems really well thought out + designed - I'm just not sure if this is a thing anybody needs. Price seems reasonable though. I dunno, I'm confusioned🤷
So This is actually a pretty cool idea on paper, A small brand from the faraway land of Greece called MLS did this almost a decade ago with what they called the MLS Magic, a tablet that would dual-boot android and windows 10. On paper it was a great idea but the execution was awful. It used an atom cpu (obviously because it was on the thin tablet side), had 32 gigs of storage split in HALF between the two oses, meaning you couldn't even install updates and was made out of aluminum, making it particularly heavy for a tablet back in the day. Still it's exciting to see this idea resurface and get adopted by some actually competent company who could maybe make something good out of it
Brooo thattttts a lottttt fir a 2000 dollars...... An OLED tablet with the best specs and a usable laptop....in such a thought out implementation.....love....best implementedthing I think I will see....
So basically you have an Android tablet that can also act as the screen and extra speakers for a screenless laptop. That makes it seem a little less weird.
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... and also very expensive. I dont really see the point
It feels a bit pointless if they can't interact with each other though, even with the shared 10gb folder. Why couldn't the tablet at least show up as an attached device so that you can use its 256gb of storage in windows?
To be honest: I really like it. Having a powerful laptop for the usual work, but having the possibility to take the screen as digital notepad etc sounds pretty useful. Also you don't have to keep the screen attached, if you use the laptop on the docking station.
@@sven957 it not that expensive considering specs , it would cost same if u buy laptop and tab separately
Incredible that Microsoft failed to make a worthwhile OS for smart devices so badly that Lenovo went out of their way to make a 2-in-1 Windows Laptop that doesn't even use Windows when it's in Tablet mode.
it's really all about apps. Even with the windows phone, which was good, barely had any app support. Adoption rate was very slow, so no incentive for devs to port their apps. And i think people like to hate on Microsoft with everything they do. So no one would give them a chance, even if they try again.
i don't think so win 11 is relative smoothe in tablet mode. The biggest drawback of windows is really that many programs didn't update there ui for touch input but with subsystem for android u get apps that are build around touch input. This device is coming 5 years to late. Its the classic Lenovo Gimmick that is too expensive and it will be discontinued before it get fixed to a usable degree.
Microsoft didn't failed it was just... too early as usual.
Yes, but to be fair, Apple also failed. This is because neither company is good at software of course, not because it's actually hard. Quantum physics is hard. A desktop that can tell if it should be doing touchscreen things or desktop things, is not.
Lol this is not new, asus has done this a long time ago.
lenovo always gotta be coming up with the most out of pocket things for events like these
@@VaporSpritestrongly disagree with that statement. I’ve had nothing but good things with their stuff, and their support is better than the competition.
They sell cheap products, but you get what you pay for. They tend to be the best in their price category.
@@VaporSprite Depends on what you buy. Their idea- line is cheap consumer crap, but their thinkpads are well built and reliable
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Except asus already did it with their transformer book trio. Why we never heard of it is the reason why it failed
@@griffin8062 exactly dude, with everything, you get what you pay for
They should sell these separately and keep the display for the models next year the same and only upgrade the bottom part with new hardware this way they can tout their green and planet friendly agenda and also keep the device going and make moneh
a framework bottom? ;)
Yeah. I'd love to see the Framework version of this, for sure.
@@jonevansauthor yeah
all these metal frames and toxic batteries are not ecologically friendly.
Nah, the display part should already come with Android 14 and have a SD 8+ Gen2 or Gen3, i mean my almost one year old phone has the 8+ gen2, im not buying anything older when buying a brand new device...on the other hand the price of this is pretty reasonable and its thin and light...
I'm honestly all for this. Instead of trying to force windows to work on a tablet just switch to an OS made for tablets.
This is also getting us closer to my dream of my phone being my main computer and I just have a series of docks.
HP and Nexdock tried the whole laptop shaped dock for a phone. It never caught on because the dock cost as much as a low end laptop. So for 99% of people, it didn't make any sense at all.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872it didn't make sense with phone but with tablet it does, I have asus x13 and i always thinking I want to bring my tablet but decide not too because added weight. Now that I think about it I wish my current tablet can be use as portable monitor maybe that is better product idea
What are you talking about? Windows 10/11 is fantastic on tablets, just look at the surface line, they are extremely common.
@KurosuKirie You can use iPads as a portable monitor for a Mac, the feature is built into iOS. I'm pretty sure Samsung tablets can work similarly for Windows or KDE.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 both of them are not native monitor first, so it doesn't work for every device ☹️
In the case of Microsoft Surface Book, the keyboard wasn’t completely useless. It held a GPU in it which was connected to the tablet with their proprietary PCIe 4x connection.
Yes, and the keyboard has to be heavier than the tablet/screen so the Asus ones I had contained batteries. eGPUS are getting faster, so lots of solutions could work.
@@jonevansauthor yup, my Surface gave me 10hrs of battery life which at the time was amazing.
@@jonevansauthoryes but when you disconnected it was nothing but dead weight. Plus trying to use that screen as a tablet was awful, even if you added custom software to try and fix that. Having a native android just makes that so much easier!!
@@blaster915 honestly, I didn’t hate Win that much. It was the stupendous 2-3hr battery life that killed the tablet experience for me.
What the hell, that sounds wayyyyy better than this. A tablet PC that can actually use a discrete GPU sounds amazing. Its one of the only reasons I couldn’t use a Surface Pro.
As an engineering student, this laptop would be perfect. Carry only the tablet when all you need is to take notes, carry the laptop when you need to do CAD or use other software that actually requires a windows laptop and not a tablet. I hope that in a couple years they will come with a less expensive mid range option at 1.5k or less.
what if you want to quick-present your CAD but don't want to carry the laptop, i mean there is must be some cases that you just want to look at your CAD diagrams/design and just carrying tablet, this laptop solution is not ideal. at least in my opinion, i'm no engineering student but i do design, and sometimes i need to detach my laptop screen to quick present the design from my Illustrator to the client, and i need full desktop software to do that.
@@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhata you can export a PDF that contains the CAD model and is movable, that's what you send the client so he can see the model but not steal it. I suppose you can do that on Android
@@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhatai think its better to take smaller tablet for presentation, this one abit too big. If you wanna take a note by hand just use tablet, but if you wanna type just use laptop keyboard. Bringing both doesn't looks practical or usefull since you just must chose either one
@@Davix-tt9shwell client only wanna see presentasion, not your multi layered complex line on your cad hehe
But then the issue is syncing your notes between the different apps and OSes.. trust me, it will be a total pain.
Honestly this feels like a really innovative and kinda cool concept and I'd like to see it again in a couple years down the line. Don't quite know what the use case is.
As with most use cases; If the use case is not immediately obvious to you then you are not the target customer.
@nathanl2966 absolutely! The first thing I thought of was just playing Android games with it or using it as a reader
Windows is a terrible tablet OS, the use case is having a 2 in 1 that doesn't suck at both
As a Surface pro 8 user, I can tell you I still prefer to use my samsung android tablet for leizure browsing and entertainment. I hardly ever use my surface pro as a tablet, which it's supposed to be. It's just that android feels much more intuitibe and easier to use in touch user interface devices.
I'm a coder and If want to code on a tablet the best way is to be on windows / linux because I use some software that simply does not exist on android (or not easily accessible through the play store). However I dont want to use my tablet just for coding, I like playing supercell games, watching disney + / crunchyroll offline when I'm on a trip, and android is just perfect for these tasks as windows simply does'nt support these features natively (I never got my supercell games to run on android using WSA or emulators and disney + and crunchyroll native windows apps are just copies of their respective web apps that don't support download to watch offline).
I tried running android for x86 in dual boot with windows on my 128gb/8gb/intel m3 surface go 2. I even tried Chrome OS which was quite nice with linux apps enabled, but it was making my tablet overheat...
So for now I'm using WSA for android apps that are supported (disney +, crunchyroll, but sadly no supercell games)
That's why having access to these 2 OS on the same device would be perfect for me.
this thing just killed my surface with Windows Subsystem for Android. This is the very best alternative for my use cases : giving me the oportunity to have windows apps (for coding) and android apps (for stuff like disney + and crunchyroll which does NOT support downloads on their native windows apps). However I'm concerned about the repairability of such a complex device, I'm definitely gonna dig even deeper on that subject. Many thanks for showcasing this cool product !
It's two different devices I don't see how hard it could be a tablet still a table same with the laptop bottom
3:04 Correction: 8+ Gen1 is not in fact the latest chip for tablets. The latest chip is the same as in smartphones, SD 8 Gen 3.
Maybe this time, something like this will actually find it's way to consumers?
This idea has been around since Windows 8. Asus had a few very nice prototypes to show for. But they never left the prototype stages.
They did unfortunately, because I bought (and still have) one. The Transformer Book Trio.
@@RexNoctisI'm glad i didn't buy it back then but man that style of laptop was the hype back then.
I had each of the first 2 generations of Surface Book. I suppose that didn't have 2 separate machines though.
Only problem is that extra tablet hardware Snapdragon chip, RAM, and storage adds ~$160 to the BOM which adds $500 to the final price for consumers.
3:08. Thats an outright lie. Samsung's tablets feature the far newer snapdragon 8 gen 2.
It's not exactly far newer, as there's only a 6 month gap between the two. There's about a 20% improvement from +1 to 2, but it's not that big of a deal. Still, it is indeed wrong to say that it's the latest SoC - especially with the 8 gen 3 having long been out by the time this hits the market.
That is a lie, too. Snapdragon 8 gen 3 already come out
@@Dnxl03 It's not on tablets though. Only on a few phones. I don't even think there is any manufacturer putting new Snapdragon flagship chips on their tablets other than Samsung. Most of the Chinese stuff I've seen was relatively cheap and used budget SoCs or older flagships at best.
@@leonro 1. 20% is a noticeable improvement.
2. No tablet currently available has the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3.
Linus trained him well.
Update : He did not break it :(
I still have an Asus Transformer Book Trio in the cupboard from 10 years ago that does exactly this. Worked very well until Asus dropped support for updating Android and the switch button stopped working. Unfortunately, it's also from the days where Android on a tablet was absolute crap.
Yo my Trio brother! Mine kind of still works, but I began having issues with the android unit and bought a Surface instead.
How well is it when doing normal daily tasks? I remember reviewers said it was a very great concept but it's way expensive for the specs it offers.
@@alieffauzanrizky7202 In it's prime, the PC was decent, I swapped the original spinning rust for an SSD. The tablet always struggled a bit, I seem to remember there being an issue with very slow RAM but can't find anything online about it now. My biggest pet peeve was when the tablet battery died, it would have issues switching back into Windows. I loved the concept, liked the machine but the lack of support that was required for the switching button to function did affect my decision on my next laptop, I wanted something standard with solid support and got a Dell XPS in 2017 that despite a couple of new batteries, is still going strong on Windows 10
i ditched it when 720p youtube playback wasn't smooth anymore, even after a fresh install or booting in Linux, mine poorly aged.
The tablet part was kind of a monster tho, the Atom was rocking Hill Climb Racing and taking notes. Also, huge battery life when connected to the keyboard and using only Android, that was nice.
I can honestly see the appeal of this idea as someone who often carries both a laptop and a tablet. The price is a big obstacle but I'd love to see more such devices
In my opinion $2000 is really well priced. A high-end laptop and phone costs around $1300 and $900 respectively.
The price for this is really reasonable. A similarly specced laptop and tablet combo would run at least $2k, and you get the convenience and perks of them being integrated into each other.
@@user-uw4uv3cy7l What the duck are you even talking about? A proper laptop can be found for a 1000 USD and a proper phone can be found for 500-600 dollars. High end phones especially are such a scam, who the heck carries around a 1000 dollars brick that can fall down and shatter?
I worked in QA and software testing for Android apps, this wouldve been awesome, especially the in screen Android on Windows mode
I haven't been this excited for a new laptop since framework. I hope this becomes a new form factor that takes off because it's very useful. I can see this being especially useful for a university student where they can take notes down on it as a tablet and when they need the software and hardware of a laptop, just dock and continue doing work. Needless to say, I love this thing and can't wait for it to come to market.
I use my Surface Book 2 daily, I really like the form factor but wish it had a better OS in tablet mode. So this seems like a progression from that
Well at least you would have something to switch to when an windows update breaks something...
Does that still happen? I haven't had Windows Update break anything since XP and haven't had a forced restart since the original Windows 8.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Then I would suggest you buy a lotto ticket with that kind of luck lol, though they where few and far between I did have a handful of windows 7 updates refuse to download/intall, meanwhile 10 oh I hate theee... Seriously have you not heard of all the Windows 10 update oops that have happened?
Should clarify. My desktop 10 has been 90-98% fine, my sister's laptop a windows 7 machine with a clean install of 10 is pretty stable but my old mans laptop that came with 10 makes me want to toss it out the window...
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 a W10 update would literally delete user files som e years ago.... stop pretending you are the center of the universe
@@jesusbarrera6916 A, that is a myth. Files were never deleted, only hidden. B, it only happened to people who volunteered to be in an early access group. C, I never pretended to be special, if anything the opposite, maybe you're projecting a bit.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 basically for us
We used XP from realise to End of Support (I still use it on stand alone machines) Did we have problems pre SP2 and 3 yes but most of it was minor announce than major one's. In fact the worst oops was a adware that hijacked the browsers that was hard to get ride of and a Trojan horse that thankfully our firewall kept from calling home but was reeeeeally dung into the system.
We have also used 7 from realise to end of support (again I still use it on stand alone hardware) we've had a over half a dozen windows 7 machines over the years and had very few problems infact I count the major problems on one hand, one of which was caused by an update.
Then there is 10. The ONLY machine that hasn't been a headache is my 3700x desktop. I dislike more things about 10 then I like, in fact the only positives is new UI and Dark Mode. If 12 is more of the same then support for 10 ends I may no longer be a life long windows user.
10 is basically windows 95/Vista all over again for me and I'm just about feed up.
It's not a bad device. The only problem is that updates are gonna make the tablet aspect redundant in a few years while the Windows can still run as long as Windows provide support for it. Which is long enough. $2000 for a dual "2-in-1" is pretty steep too. Especially how long this thing could potentially lasts.
This is not apple. My Samsung 6 years old tablet (Galaxy Tab S4) is still usable after not being updated for 3 years
@@mehshutup3041 yeah it's Android can still run for 5-10 years without major OS updates. But other apps that requires recent security might be affected by it. The problem here is that Windows support runs longer than Android's so once those grace period are over, your basically stuck with a laptop with 2-in-1 functions being obsolete. Hard pill to swallow when you pay $1999 for this.
@@mehshutup3041 Some apps require very modern Android versions. For example, the latest play store version of Facebook currently requires Android 11.0 or higher. Given that Lenovo doesn't have a great track record of Android updates, you could already encounter compatibility issues after 5 years of ownership.
@@joelconolly5574 I still don't understand why Android support time is very short. A top flagship phone from 2019 can still crush the majority of today's mid-range phones in terms of performance, but they are losing their value so fast because of short OS update support
5 year of update support is honestly still too short for today's flagship Android devices, must be at least 8 years or more
@@joelconolly5574 it's a good price . you get a high end table and a decent laptop, you'd pay more if you got them separately
It is a bit cheaper than I expected. I love gadgets like this.
A great move in terms of making innovation based on practical use, not just a hybrid gimmick. I personally can imagine how useful it is to be able to switch between Windows and Andriod. Look forward to the full performance review!
Some people might not be into that, but I can see some loving this idea, with more maturity and development for file sharing between the systems. Android in a way that is more convenient than Windows Subsystem for Android (and the lack of apps on the Amazon App Store). Others amongst us will make do with Phone Link. I could like the concept, especially as a business traveller, but it does need more work in my opinion, and not at that price.
A Samsung galaxy tab in this form factor would be incredible. The tab s9 ultra is amazing. At times I wished it could handle the full desktop chrome experience or the full office. When I'm on windows sometimes I wish access to some touch optimised apps. Something akin to that could fill that gap.
I wonder if mac/iPad variant could be successful too.
so windows is so bad on moble they need android and Android is so bad on desktop they need windows, got it lol
Yes lol.
Tho (from personal experience) Samsung Dex doesn't suck as bad as just "android but big screen." Especially with dex max helping to smooth some things over
android works good on chromebooks, only problem is that some apps dont let you chose dynamic resolution, so they are phone-sized. A little bit like when iPad could use iPhone apps in the begining.
so nice to see that Lester from GTA 5 made an appearance at 7:24
I would have loved it if instead of the proprietary pogo pins, it had an additional type-c port on the bottom of the tablet side... that way the minipc/keyboard could have a free extra usb output port to be used with an external monitor with a simple cable extension and the tablet side would have an additional type-c port for charging or even use it as an external monitor for other devices (like the lenovo tab extreme)
I think those pins have to be extra stubby than what type-c allowed, but Lenovo would be happy selling you their type-c dock
@@ThisNoName A thin, stick/line like dock that can connect to the either of the 2 parts of this laptop via these pogo pins would be neat actually, yeah.
Being able to stream the windows UI to the android tablet while it's detatched would have been a nice feature to have.VNC works though.
That's pretty cool but I'm really struggling to come up with realistic use cases for the thing. Just seems really niche
Depending on touch screen quality could use the tablet for simple drawing/notetaking/mathematics type stuff
Cross-development of apps? Compile on Windows, test on Android, all with one power brick?
The 8+gen1 GPU is really fast. I reckon its as fast or faster than the new Intel integrated arc GPUs. Emulation would be a niche market for it. There isn't a single Intel chip that can emulate the Switch or PS2 at 7W... The 8+gen1 can. And for the older stuff, it can do it at 5W. Very very long battery life. That also translates to light weight tasks. Gmail on android probably takes 2W to run while on Intel, it might be running at 10W.
I have a Chromebook, its got a Intel I3-1215U cpu (so 2 performance cores, and 4 e-cores). The Chromebook runs ChromeOS, Android and Linux at the same time. I run a few android apps (many games), I use Linux to code in (visual studio code, nodejs, python), and ChromeOS for fast browsing. (It beats my Ryzen 5600x in browser benchmarks) it also a Lenovo Flex, so it can be used as a tablet.
@efad3215 Who develops apps for Android tablets? It's also not very convenient because it takes a few seconds to switch, why not just use a phone or emulator?
I'd be way more interested if it came with an OCulink port like the other new Thinkbooks.
Hopefully second gen
This is the most innovative thing to come out of CES this year. It's really a shame though that Microsoft won't invest in getting android working seamlessly with Windows.
Interesting idea.
The execution though has some room for improvement yet.
Hopefully it sells good and Gen 6 next year would have better IO and improved user experience between the two OSs.
This is genuinely such an amazong idea! Really hope other manufacturers pick this up - looking at you Samsung ❤
6:03 a solution to the hybrid folder is to just move things out of the folder as soon as you transfer them over. I know it's not one step but it seems pretty simple on this device
I like the concept 2 in 1 device(s) and nice combination. You have everything on board what you can need as student/dev.
This is exactly what I was looking for when I ended up buying the Flex 5 a few years back, so I could absolutely see myself upgrading to this. Though I'd love to see the share folder being size-adjustible, maybe they'll think about it.
I'm digging this. I use a 2-in-1 (ROG Z13) for school and work on the go. And to use the tablet mode is not great because it still runs on Windows; so it is still better to use it as a laptop, which then defeats the purpose of the tablet mode unless you're using it as a 2nd PC screen/portable gaming. Great work on coming up with a niche product that is greatly appreciated. I'm definitely gonna consider getting it.
for me is basically a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, just add more complication, more component, more weight, and more price. i love my 2 in 1 Laptop, i can detach the screen when i need to present something to my workmate, or when i just need some quick note, or even when i need portable teleprompter in some situation. For that use case, i don't think modern Windows (Windows 11 in my situation) have a problem to adapt the interface to tablet.
and the most apparent problem to this lenovo new "solution" is file interchangeability, i mean yeah they had some shared space between the others, but how about syncing if there's a little edit when using tablet.
i'd rather stick to dual boot solution, because when i'm on Android, obiviously i'm not on "Working" mode, and just using tablet for consuming, or maybe playing some mobile games.
This is an excellent example of a solution in search of a problem.
"Can you adjust the size of the synced folder?"
'No'
"Why not?"
'Cuz eff you, that's why!"
Cuz this is complex software -wise and very prone to file corruption by misbehaving programs as well as misbehaving user
There is a problem. The problem is that Microsoft doesn't allow its partners-manufacturers to run other operating systems on a device that runs Windows. So the solution was: "Lets make it two devices then".
@@DimosGNSthat doesn't solve the problem of tablet + computer quite as well though. You don't need the weight of a Windows laptop in your tablet, you just need a small processor and a little memory, because it's a toilet PC.
i def need to get this since ive been asking for this setup for years!!! been trying to get apple to do the same thing; use a ipad as screen and run macos when docked, etc. would print money!
If they make the tablet part even have a display input port, I think this will be my dream machine
If they can make a KVM/Sidecar sort of software for this then it would make sense for a lot of people. Most ppl use android tablets for a few apps anyways, but those apps only work well on native android tablet necessitating lugging around a another device w/ your laptop.
This could be significantly less awkward if done well.
The headless laptop looks hilarious. And is actually a REALLY good idea.
As someone who uses dex.. something like this would be GAME CHANGING for Samsung, im glad Lenovo took the first step
I want one :) It's like having an android tablet that functions as a display for your laptop. Very interesting.
Now I wonder if this would work with another OS on it? Like Linux on the laptop and a degoogled Android on the tablet. Would not be ideal for sure, but if it at least works mostly the same that opens the door for more use cases
A 2-in-1 which makes sense.
We need more of these, other companies please take notes...!!
Edit: okay but at that price point I might as well get a laptop and a tablet
my company too
Logitech multi-device shenanigans coming in clutch for this one. I already use the same mouse+keyboard to use 2 pc and my samsung tablet, this device could actually be made for that kind of technology
The problem with the this Thinkbook it's too fragmented, nothing is really as integrated as it could be. A more grounded solution would have been to make it a 2(.5) in 1 Android and CHROMEBOOK X/Plus with the option to dual boot a secondary Linux distros in laptop mode; thus keeping it in the ecosystem. The keyboard could then access the additional ram and battery with even any opportunity for ultra-light gpu(or the snap gen 2 can access higher amounts of RAM). The additional power for developers, virtualization, gaming and content creating, it would've expanded an already zealously thirsty market.
It's amazing idea
If Lenovo did same hybrid
In legion 9i dual screen body
More awesome concept.😊
I would Love to See Something Like this with an iPad and a MacBook. Also If IOS and MacOS were merged into a single OS, this could be sooooooo cool
So iphone macOS too?
Or rather on the iPad use macOS instead of iOS, the hardware they use on top latest ipads are Silicone M chips.
This should be possible i mean m1 ipad already exist
Heck no… You realize if they did this it be expensive as fuck because its apple we are talking about
@@starscream8975 yeah ,but it should not cost more than macbook and ipad combined
@@FaridRudiansyah I would combine MacOS and IOS in a way, so that you could use Apps for Macs on the iPad and If you Plug a Keyboard and Mouse in, then use IT Like a MacBook with Touchscreen.
Also this would make IT very nice to use the iPad as Touchscreen or Just move your Windows from Mac to your iPad and interacting with them nicely with Touchscreen.
Also the OS should be able to Switch between Desktop and Mobile Mode, otherwise IT would be wierd.
I can certainly find a use for this and honestly sounded pretty good. I was sold on it until it heard the price point. I'll keep carrying my thin laptop and tablet thank you very much.
$2000 seems reasonable for such novelty device, but when you start thinking what laptop and tablet combination you can get for $2000, it stops making any sense.
That's pretty neat actually, and the price is super reasonable for what you get.
Love this. Exactly what I was hoping would eventually exist. Not even that crazy of a price for the spec.
Say the Android tablet board side of things breaks, the NAND runs out of life, the battery dies, or something. Would docking it still let it be used as a screen and speakers for the Windows laptop side?
Just genius for students if the pricing is fair and correct (in relation to the performance). A 2 in 1 device to always keep your notes with you but also have it work as a laptop is really good.
As a former surface book owner, I really liked the surface book form factor, the detaching tablet head was great, and I got the model with the GPU in the base so that was fun. Until the battery in the top swelled and I had to have it removed. Despite the probability that that device is unrepairable I am interested because I enjoed the surface book so much.
I think it'd make more sense on a gaming/workstation laptop or something. A good 2in1 / thin and light should be portable and have decent battery life anyway... I'd like to see this on something with dedicated graphics and a big battery. As a developer, I sometimes wouldn't mind leaving my battery sucking laptop at home or in my backpack and just taking the tablet part to a meeting.
lenovo always gotta be the most goofy companies at these events
To choose who don't get it, it's a android tablet which comes with a windows keyboard. The tablet acts like a display when you connect it to the keyboard.
Not gonna lie, this is my DREAM laptop configuration!! After being salty owning the Surfacebook trying to make it touch friendly, this is SO MUCH better!!
Sure the windows part is underpowered, but they got the form factor right! Next model of it I will certainly switch from my Surfacebook studio if they crank the power up a notch!
Pity office on android is so not optimised, particularly for pen input. However, the concept is actually pretty sweet. What about intel in the base and arm in the tablet? Now that would be kewl
Please do full ltt review for when it comes out. I must say this sounds like really good 2 in 1.
This would be great for students if it was with a base level chip for the tablet part and an i5 (sorry, core 5) for the pc, and with like 16 gb of ram. And at half the price.
Still the best solution yet was the surface book, where you got a windows tablet, and by adding the keyboard you could get extra battery and a full GPU. That thing with a better touch OS would have been the best
wouldve lovedd to see the headphone jack on the tablet, convenient for taking to a coffee machine on campus while vibing
I LOVE LOVE LOVE this idea. It's so useful. I hate dealing with a laptop on a plane, but a tablet is easy. But I still want a full laptop for productivity. And I would rather not carry a laptop AND a tablet when I travel. Want!
Unfortunately, it is entirely too expensive for me to buy.
That was the smoothest segue I’ve seen
They really put that booth in a restaurant? Would like to see more of this lapblet in a more.. quiet space, lol
This concept is actually not bad, if extended further.
Give the tablet two hinges so it's foldable into a smartphone, make the shared memory bigger and
I'm actually sold.
the locking mechanism is the only cool thing here. Being able to pick up a tablet without the detachable keyboard falling off would be awesome
Thx , love ur vids man :)
Bro i want the old hosts back man these new one just dont have the same screen presence
This is exactly what I've always wanted, definitely buying one of these bad boys
very neat idea and for 2k everything here is actually not bad.
The easier cheaper way is for the screen to be detachable and just battery operated no soc inside, only transform to wireless display with touch function for the base pc (no more cameras in or out too). Then create special GUI (similar to launch box, steam big picture or any simple android launcher) than can be launched on top of windows so that the display can act as a tablet pc. Using UWP type softwares is optional for easier tablet mode for apps.
I like this unit. I have a professional sound/lighting business on the side and I use tablets to control my wireless/wifi mixer. It would be nice to be able to use this unit as a laptop at home for personal business, then detach the tablet to take on the road to control my sound system. Not sure I can justify $2,000.00 to upgrade right now, but maybe in the future.
MKBHD once said that 2-in-1 devices will always compromise on either part of the duo. So I am curious whether this has a worse PC experience, or a worse tablet experience. Cause at first glance, this laptop hybrid seems to have no compromises on either ends. I guess we'll see when this goes on shelves later this year.
Laptops are at a stage of innovation which smartphones should be in right now. Turns out the best Android tablet today... Is actually a screen for a Windows laptop. But seriously, this and Acer's 3D display tech is considerably impressive compared to the 2010s monstertops (except for the newly soldered RAM, storage, etc., lackluster IO)... Makes Framework very competitive or needing to innovate in more than just being an open design
Glad to see a proper in-depth look at this… I really hope this is enough of a success that Lenovo develops and expands the concept, because when it's a bit lighter and cheaper (maybe with a taller 13" screen?) I'm in. It's just a recognition of the fact that attempts to either shoehorn Windows into touchscreens or Android onto desktops have been kludgy AF.
Oh yeah, and Lenovo, the name. Thinkbook Plus Gen 5 Hybrid? Seriously?
at 1999 I feel it's better deal than iPads and Galaxy Tabs since with all out options top ends costs almost same but you get a quite decent windows laptop with it
You don't just get 2 devices and a pen, you get 2 devices with old screens at 2.8k resolution 😍
I dreamed about this build 3 years ago.
This I so cool! I would really love to see this device's insides!
Goddam i wish this came out 3 months ago. I would never have bought the galaxy tab. Since i needed windows use more.
I like the concept. A powerful laptop, but also having a notepad with you all the time. depends on the price, but maybe. The issue as always with lenovo: there software support is pretty bad.
I'm buying this one fo sho! Thanks for the coverage.
I recently bought the Duet 3i, and I love it.
At 11", It's more manageable in tablet mode.
Mine is running Chrome OS, which obviously includes support for Android and Linux containers.
The only thing I like about the one you showed is that it has a solid hinge, making it easier to use in laptop mode, especially on your lap, or when laying down.
Yes, the problem with that is, it's running Chrome OS so it's completely useless to me as a desktop or laptop. That's why we need quite a few different products, so we can all have stuff that suits our work, entertainment and lifestyle needs. Although I'll never understand why people persist in using laptops on their laps, when tablets are right there.
@@jonevansauthor I guess because you can type faster and more comfortably on a physical keyboard than on a touchscreen..
Personally I prefer ChromeOS over windows. Especially because I can also run android apps and desktop Linux apps.
This is exactly what ive been looking for my whole life omg
I love detachable devices. My current wishlist is a Rog Z13 because it's better than that Surface Pro. It could be my tablet, it could be my desktop and my laptop. But it's all Windows which is apparently not ideal on touchscreens. It also can't be my desktop, and my tablet at the same time. I'd get up, and go to use the tablet, and it can't be doing anything normal in the background. This Lenovo design sits in a great niche for me. There's a lot of people out there with a tablet they wouldn't need if their laptop was like this and most people don't use the grunt of expensive laptops now anyway - they can't even find a task that pushes them at all. I'm definitely here for it.
I've found that a laptop, a dock and a foldable phone is a pretty optimal combination. I think I should've prob gone for a portable ROG laptop and an Asus eGPU instead of separate gaming and portable laptops, but I haven't felt the need for a tablet or proper desktop computer at all. Have already gotten benefit of the gaming machine being moveable, if not truly portable the way the phone and MBA are.
It's the "and it still sounds...not that great😂" for me🤣🤣
Seems pointless for any regular user, especially if the only real interconnectivity is a non-configurable 10gb folder. And for 2 grand, I can get 2 devices with cash to spare
concept is good....if lenovo can do one more thing...the android tablet part do seems like mobile phone integrate voice phone feature and LTE or 4G share to notebook reach internet.... it can more value for customer
Im not sure if this is genius or really stupid. I'll give Lenovo credit....it seems really well thought out + designed - I'm just not sure if this is a thing anybody needs. Price seems reasonable though. I dunno, I'm confusioned🤷
If it had a 120hz oled display, I would've been completely sold on the concept
now i can listen to music in Poweramp while working in a word document without using bluestacks
Now imagine that as a 2in1 macbook-ipad combo. It wouldn't even need 2 different processors.
Maybe one day.
So This is actually a pretty cool idea on paper, A small brand from the faraway land of Greece called MLS did this almost a decade ago with what they called the MLS Magic, a tablet that would dual-boot android and windows 10. On paper it was a great idea but the execution was awful. It used an atom cpu (obviously because it was on the thin tablet side), had 32 gigs of storage split in HALF between the two oses, meaning you couldn't even install updates and was made out of aluminum, making it particularly heavy for a tablet back in the day. Still it's exciting to see this idea resurface and get adopted by some actually competent company who could maybe make something good out of it
Brooo thattttts a lottttt fir a 2000 dollars......
An OLED tablet with the best specs and a usable laptop....in such a thought out implementation.....love....best implementedthing I think I will see....
This is cool idea, I hope this is something that gets developed further and maybe from other brands too.