I Interviewed Games Workshop About 10th Edition - Game Pacing, Competitive Play, and more!

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  • Опубліковано 31 тра 2023
  • Adrian was able to sit down with Warhammer 40,000 studio manager Stu Black for a chat about the upcoming 10th edition of the game. They discuss everything from the pacing of the new game, how it might be played competitively, what we can expect from codexes, and more!
    Join us for an exciting discussion of things to come!
    Check out the other interviews with Stu for other questions and perspectives on the new edition:
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  • @TabletopTitans
    @TabletopTitans  Рік тому +23

    What would you have asked James Workshop?

    • @maxwellmartin6909
      @maxwellmartin6909 Рік тому +27

      Were you expecting the backlash from so many people who purchased FW/Relic units exclusively for 40K use at retail prices?

    • @vitev009
      @vitev009 Рік тому +6

      For matched/competitive play, will the cycle of changing up the missions and secondaries still be a 6 month cycle, and will those missions be released for free like the core rules?

    • @TLouie2
      @TLouie2 Рік тому +13

      "What is the average airspeed of an unladen swallow regardless of national origin?"

    • @ShahbazBokhari
      @ShahbazBokhari Рік тому +15

      How do they truly justify dumpstering/legendfying entire swathes of supremely popular and competitive models, not so long after making them available as plastic kits?

    • @derpaton4354
      @derpaton4354 Рік тому +5

      @@ShahbazBokhari this

  • @MatthewMarinett
    @MatthewMarinett Рік тому +35

    Can someone please make a supercut of all the scenes of Adrian just smiling and nodding?

    • @TLouie2
      @TLouie2 Рік тому +4

      Isn't that what we all just watched?

    • @scottsharp7589
      @scottsharp7589 Рік тому +1

      Pretty funny

    • @40kGrim
      @40kGrim Рік тому

      ua-cam.com/video/A7_qil7h5yo/v-deo.html

    • @greenmachine4573
      @greenmachine4573 Рік тому

      ua-cam.com/video/A7_qil7h5yo/v-deo.html
      I was wondering why Grim did that.... ;)

  • @cpguy546
    @cpguy546 Рік тому +10

    The nodding along made me laugh alot for some reason haha

  • @carlofhodgy1501
    @carlofhodgy1501 Рік тому +40

    One day GW will let you ask your own questions.

  • @jonathanengelke1142
    @jonathanengelke1142 Рік тому +8

    I think this interview doubled as a class on active listening lol

  • @TLouie2
    @TLouie2 Рік тому +14

    "Nodding with Adrian" doesn't have the same ring I guess. 😢

  • @noirceuillesombre3472
    @noirceuillesombre3472 Рік тому +5

    Luv the collab with Nick of Play on. Great energy all around! 🤙🏼😎

  • @AnthonyGobeilleArtist
    @AnthonyGobeilleArtist Рік тому +4

    that book toss cut was so clean 🤣

  • @fernandozavaletabustos205
    @fernandozavaletabustos205 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much for the interview!

  • @arturomaldonado3368
    @arturomaldonado3368 Рік тому +6

    Can we make Deathguard feel like Deathguard?

  • @elijahlovejoy5438
    @elijahlovejoy5438 Рік тому +18

    Can you ask them why the new tank kit they made less than a year ago and sold under the premise it’d have 40k rules is now legend’d?

    • @jameskillbot2867
      @jameskillbot2867 Рік тому +3

      Also would like to know how they think this ok. From an ethics and company perspective not gameplay/health of the game wise.

  • @stax6092
    @stax6092 Рік тому +2

    Love the Shots taken at Jon in the end there.
    Would have preferred a bit more detail in the questions but ya did good this time Adrian.
    Surprised you didn't make Steven do this to try and get preferential treatment, that and ya gotta put the new guy to work. ;)

  • @jonmattison3939
    @jonmattison3939 Рік тому +1

    So I just finished up watching the Stu Black interviews on Play On Tabletop, Tabletop Titans, Tabletop Tactics, Vanguard Tactics, and MWG Studios. I'm going to cross-post my responses. I got into 40k late 3rd edition and played through the end of 5th edition. I wanted a simpler game and 6th and 7th seemed to get more complex. I liked where they went with 8th and then 9th and though I only dabbled casually. Over the years I have invested in anywhere between 1000 and 5000 points worth of at least 12 different factions. So I'm anxious to dive back into 10th edition this summer and make it one my core games to play. That said, I have questions about what I've reading and hearing. "free rules and indexes at launch" This sounds great, I look forward to playing multiple factions in smaller games as we all learn 10th edition together. I like the concept of Combat Patrol, set faction-specific army lists that allows us to dabble in other factions and have "ready-to-go" forces for small pick-up games. What I don't think I like is the impression that "regular 40k" and "combat patrol" will have different Data Sheets for the same units. So game to game we have to remember that Unit XYZ has less/different abilities when playing Combat Patrol etc. I suppose that's less of an issue than dealing with how Unit XYZ plays in "regular 40k" vs "kill team" since the rules for each game are so different.
    If I'm understanding the Detachment system correctly (and possibly envisioning what I hope it will be like)... I want to believe that the detachment system will work like some factions in 5th edition where your choice of Character/HQ unlocked other parts of the army. Like in the 2003 Codex Eye of Terror, Lost in the Damned list you could run a combined Chaos Space Marines, Traitor Guard and Chaos Daemon list. In my experience it was not overpowered. Depending on which HQ you took would decide which kinds of units counted as Troops vs Elites/Fast/Heavy. So you could build Chaos marines with a splash of traitor guard and chaos daemons etc. This is what I hope the new Detachment system to be like. Take a named/unnamed Terminator HQ Character and Terminators become 'battle line' units, Bike HQ Character makes Bikes 'battle line' units etc.
    As for the Data sheets, I hope the free-to-play Index information remains updated. Sure, I may end up buying Codexes for my armies when they come available, but I would like to play my 12+ factions on the cheap for as long as possible. Stu Black said in one of these episodes that the Codex detachments/data sheets will always be the newer ones. That's logical, but due to the power of the internet, that should mean that the free-to-play Index/data sheets should be just as easy to keep updated and available on the web (quarterly). Without getting into the issues of copyright, I would love to see GW maintain all their free 10th edition free-to-play Index/data sheet info in the same format as wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/space-marines/Intercessor-Squad. I don't want to have to buy/download a phone app for current information. I don't want to have to download and print PDF files every time they make a change. Ideally I just go to GW's always-updated 10th edition data sheet library and print whichever ones I need for my next game.
    Now I need to get back to making my table, terrain and models are dusted off and ready for 10th edition to release so I can start making lists and rolling dice.

    • @ruslanhoncharenko2179
      @ruslanhoncharenko2179 Рік тому

      Combat Patrol datasheets won't be too different compared to regular 40k, it's more slimmed down version,so I don't think it would pise some issues.Detachment system is most similar to Armies of Renown of 9th edition, it won't be tied for character unlocking stuff like in 5th.

  • @riskydissonance
    @riskydissonance Рік тому +3

    Great interview, thanks to both!!

  • @Surge7-hs63k
    @Surge7-hs63k Рік тому +4

    Tell them to make a lot of the boxes because people want them!!!!!

  • @TheGeneralGarcia
    @TheGeneralGarcia Рік тому

    Oh the Nurgle green spill!

  • @ryancooper3629
    @ryancooper3629 Рік тому

    So far I'm mostly pumped about 10th but the one pattern I've noticed is how there seems to be a concerted effort to tie a lot of power to proccing on rolling a 6 while also moving a lot of previously d3+3 damage weapons back to D6 or D6+1. This concerns me because it seems like the game is swinging further towards dice representing massive swings in damage output and a reduction in reliability which is really unfortunate. Personally I don't find fishing for 6s all day a particularly fun thing in general.
    The only other concern I have is the counter- offensive is still 2cp. I found towards the end of 9th that because CP was so much less abundant that in melee vs melee games I felt forced to save virtually all my CP for that strat and to expect to use it every battle round for the entire game. I'm worried that will be a thing again and make it feel like in certain matches, all other starts are irrelevant.

  • @lite165
    @lite165 Рік тому

    Exciting stuff

  • @nurglematthew893
    @nurglematthew893 Рік тому +3

    😮 oh, Neat!

  • @josegamez1862
    @josegamez1862 Рік тому

    Love these

  • @incogenito
    @incogenito Рік тому +1

    Did they tell you about FW?

  • @TheFryPo
    @TheFryPo Рік тому +1

    Adrian cosplaying that bobblehead

  • @vitev009
    @vitev009 Рік тому +2

    Great questions and good interview skills

  • @GriffyGood
    @GriffyGood Рік тому

    Would be cool to give chaos/nightlord players a little flavor with the battleshock mechanic

  • @TheFrokka
    @TheFrokka Рік тому +5

    I wonder if new codex detachments will include an option for legends.

  • @-Kidzin
    @-Kidzin Рік тому +13

    My question, why the hell ban Forge World?

    • @greendalf123
      @greendalf123 Рік тому

      less bloat, more streamlining

    • @JordanR
      @JordanR 11 місяців тому

      ​@greendalf123 Buzzwords for less options.

  • @caseymon55
    @caseymon55 Рік тому

    Crusher Stampede Detachment type rules CONFIRMED!!!!!!

  • @GimbleOnDew
    @GimbleOnDew Рік тому

    Did he say he is starting iron warriors? How is he doing that without dreads?

  • @itcamefromthedeep
    @itcamefromthedeep Рік тому

    12:00 From what they've shown, they're doing the opposite. You can no longer look at a combi-weapon and tell what it does. Maybe it's the weird generic profile that doesn't describe a flamer or a plasma or melta. Maybe if it's a special character like The Lion it's a "real" combi-weapon that actually functions like one or both of its modes. Maybe it'll be a "real" combi-weapon out of the blue, like an Infernus Heavy Bolter. Instead of just memorizing what a melta looks like, we'll need to memorize all the weird exceptions in the game where it's handled in a snowfalke-y way.

    • @ruslanhoncharenko2179
      @ruslanhoncharenko2179 Рік тому

      I mean,in the end, looking at one datacard is enough for you to know, no need to memorize or flip the book

  • @micahdouglas2982
    @micahdouglas2982 Рік тому

    Tell them we want our chaos forge world models.

    • @gavinziozios1431
      @gavinziozios1431 Рік тому

      Yeah, I'm not exactly a fan of overpriced resin. If you wanna fork out that much, go ahead, I guess

  • @MB-fv4mf
    @MB-fv4mf Рік тому

    Are any of these interviews real? I think Stu was sent a load of questions, was filmed answering them and it was spun off into interviews

  • @regalgiant1597
    @regalgiant1597 Рік тому +1

    The audio on stu is a bit low

  • @brokenchef7083
    @brokenchef7083 Рік тому

    ah. maintaining my standards, thank you Adrian

  • @hankwest5662
    @hankwest5662 Рік тому

    Coming back to 40k after a bit of a hiatus, how come you guys havent done any batreps for like 8 months?

    • @tenshimusouka5820
      @tenshimusouka5820 Рік тому +1

      I’m assuming you’re looking in the videos tab. Check the live tab. They do all their battle reports as live streams

  • @Ws_minion
    @Ws_minion Рік тому +1

    Volume slider go brrrrr

  • @colouredIncognito
    @colouredIncognito Рік тому

    'Have a look at the questions GW asks themselves in public'

  • @stephen9to5
    @stephen9to5 Рік тому

    I really hope that they didn't make the scions completely useless now. I really hope that they give them something as a person who's been playing them since they're codex came out back in the day the day

    • @stuartlittledrowning4965
      @stuartlittledrowning4965 Рік тому

      Well skitarii were carapice armor and they now have 5+ so thats not a good sign. It seems like GW now only recognizes power armor and then everything else is just flack

  • @asgsf684
    @asgsf684 Рік тому +10

    9:07 Yeap 10,000 points. Half of it gone to legend.

  • @StreamAway
    @StreamAway Рік тому +2

    0/10 no cucumber on the thumbnail

  • @limitless811
    @limitless811 Рік тому

    How funny taco was the add on this video

  • @theemus
    @theemus Рік тому +18

    I would have asked who came up with the “less rerolls” pitch and what happened to them in life to make them the way they are.

    • @fateweaver9844
      @fateweaver9844 Рік тому +9

      There actually are fewer rerolls. Most rerolls have been unit specific.
      Currently some factions have army wide rerolls in some form or another.

    • @voltix54
      @voltix54 Рік тому +4

      Less rerolls makes the game less lethal over all, good progress

    • @warp5p1d3r6
      @warp5p1d3r6 Рік тому +2

      show us where the rerolls touched you

    • @nukem8128
      @nukem8128 Рік тому +3

      There are fewer rerolls....
      Smoothbrain take

    • @fateweaver9844
      @fateweaver9844 Рік тому

      @@nukem8128 Can you prove that there aren't? Count every unit that gets rerolls once all datasheets and indexes are out, then compare that to 9th edition numbers. You will find it's not even close

  • @GimbleOnDew
    @GimbleOnDew Рік тому

    Funny he did this interview for multiple youtubers to release on the same day James Workshop shit on the customers.

    • @fleshterror77
      @fleshterror77 Рік тому

      Forge fiends, mauler fiends, hell brutes, idk....

  • @captaincorundum9788
    @captaincorundum9788 Рік тому +3

    They're giving us more options... unless you wanted to play 30k dreadnoughts lol

  • @shadowywarrior
    @shadowywarrior Рік тому +7

    neat! but very much pissed off with their legends list

    • @fateweaver9844
      @fateweaver9844 Рік тому +2

      So don't play competitive?

    • @se7enspac3s
      @se7enspac3s Рік тому +6

      ​@@fateweaver9844 problem is they won't update points for them, so after a couple of updates points are gonna be all janky and will be difficult to play even in casual games.

    • @nukem8128
      @nukem8128 Рік тому

      ​@@se7enspac3s so house rule them. I agree about it sucking major ass, but I don't see enough people bitching about it to make it change so we're just going to have to roll with it.

    • @elijahlovejoy5438
      @elijahlovejoy5438 Рік тому +3

      “So don’t play the most common way to play”

    • @fateweaver9844
      @fateweaver9844 Рік тому +2

      @@elijahlovejoy5438 Competitive is hardly the most common. You can still use them in pick up games

  • @knightofthefallen7416
    @knightofthefallen7416 Рік тому +1

    My question: Why did you not get rid of True Line of Sight?

  • @Zierohour1
    @Zierohour1 Рік тому

    why is he so terribly quiet?

  • @davidstevenson9039
    @davidstevenson9039 Рік тому +4

    Pretty sure it’s only GW tournaments banning some models. Just do whatever you like.

    • @jameskillbot2867
      @jameskillbot2867 Рік тому +3

      Pretty sure 25% of those models won’t get ANY rules for 11th edition.
      Pretty sure half the dudes down at the LGS will at the very least give me a nice frown and a bit of lip for using legends of not play me at all.

  • @dungeonmasterv
    @dungeonmasterv Рік тому

    Raw cucumber....who hurt you?
    😄

  • @youtubevanced4900
    @youtubevanced4900 Рік тому

    Should of asked him why they didn't modernise the game to alternating activations and move the game to a D12 system.
    They already trialed this system with Apocalypse.
    Why didn't they bring 40k upto modern tabletop game standards.
    40k feels like it's stuck in the 90s.
    At least ask if they are going to release a 10th edition updated version of Apocalypse.

  • @xenodraigshrike5052
    @xenodraigshrike5052 Рік тому +1

    Yeah nah cucumber doent belong on pizza same as pineapple

  • @soerenkepler
    @soerenkepler Рік тому

    The biggest 40K channels and noone has the balls to ask the Qs about business practice, the failed app, the hunt for content creators, rules like D6vs D10 & alternate activation. These interviews felt like a branch of GW. What a disappointment.

    • @ruslanhoncharenko2179
      @ruslanhoncharenko2179 Рік тому

      "Hunt of content creators " that was a few years ago and turned out to be massive overaction on part of the community, no animations was sent cease & decease, hell they still on UA-cam, literally GW didn't acted on it at all. New app is also coming soon

  • @Vorpal_Wit
    @Vorpal_Wit Рік тому +1

    Until you switch to alternating (or even random) unit activations, this game will still be decided in turn one. Everything else is just rearranging deck-chairs on the Titanic. The game is 5 or 6 editions overdue for this fundamental change.

  • @awokensheep588
    @awokensheep588 Рік тому +2

    Feel No Pain not being a USR before 7th edition? "Looks in my 5th edition Blood Angels codex and Brother Corbulo having a 2+ Feel No Pain instead of a "normal" 4+ Feel No Pain for that edition. Sure....

    • @joshuabbates4096
      @joshuabbates4096 Рік тому +7

      He said they haven’t been a rule SINCE 7th edition.

    • @awokensheep588
      @awokensheep588 Рік тому +1

      @@joshuabbates4096 Ahhh. Then I misunderstood

  • @eskhaphey2873
    @eskhaphey2873 Рік тому +1

    9th edition was barely successful... every codex had immediate mistakes, they required day one or sooner errata's, the Warhammer hobby is built for tournament play when the majority of their customer base are casual players. Narrative was implemented poorly, PL was never needed, combat patrol also adds pointless complications as it rewrites rules for units just to confuse new players (here's an easy to play system with new more complicated rules that don't play like the game they are intended for...)

    • @ruslanhoncharenko2179
      @ruslanhoncharenko2179 Рік тому

      Despite all it's faults, 9th was successful from engagement standpoint, also financially. It was also the most flexible and options abundant edition, when even no-name subfaction got some rules.

  • @eaglesfly5236
    @eaglesfly5236 10 місяців тому

    This has not aged well.

  • @jameskillbot2867
    @jameskillbot2867 Рік тому +2

    Why have they banned $2000 of what I’ve spent from tourneys? I don’t care if they are weak, I fear legends not receiving rules in 11th. Plenty of my models don’t have rules from old days. It’s fine, but never have this many models moved to legends. Faff off

    • @jameskillbot2867
      @jameskillbot2867 Рік тому

      Ok 4 edition had quite a bit more, but that was an eon ago..

  • @mattruecker5861
    @mattruecker5861 Рік тому +2

    These are the exact same questions and answers as on tabletop tactics...slightly disappointing

  • @justinerickson282
    @justinerickson282 Рік тому +15

    Thanks Games Workshop for wasting my $333 x4 for my Brass Scorpions, my 180x4 for my Kytans, my 125x3 for my blood slaughterers $2427 wasted because you gave SM so many model you got too lazy to balance these VERY WORLD EATERS UNITS!!!!!!!!!

    • @vitev009
      @vitev009 Рік тому +3

      Are you solely a competitive player? Otherwise the Horus Heresy legends will all be allowed in matched play

    • @se7enspac3s
      @se7enspac3s Рік тому +1

      ​@VITEV009 Won't receive points updates, so after a few updates won't be in line with rest of units so will be awkward even for casual.

    • @nukem8128
      @nukem8128 Рік тому +1

      Well see... there's your problem OP. I got all those units for the cost of one of your scorpions with chinacast.

    • @pbnjgoodness
      @pbnjgoodness Рік тому +1

      ​@@se7enspac3s I don't really understand, how will it be awkward if the points just stay the same?

    • @twenty-fifth420
      @twenty-fifth420 Рік тому

      @@nukem8128 Is that a 3D printing workshop or a third party mini supplier?

  • @dirtyapple102
    @dirtyapple102 Рік тому +2

    I have not seen anything from this addition to make me excited. I feel its got to be a joke with everything they have released so far. Im hoping for something to come about and make me excited.

    • @GaryP336
      @GaryP336 Рік тому +2

      This dude always sounds like a politician. Answers but doesnt really answer.

    • @nukem8128
      @nukem8128 Рік тому +2

      If you're waiting for something to make you feel engaged... it's time you get a new hobby

    • @jameskillbot2867
      @jameskillbot2867 Рік тому

      It’s ok, they took away a bunch more excitement. The leviathan box heralds the removal of leviathans… nice

  • @markhickson9087
    @markhickson9087 Рік тому +2

    Let's boycott 10th edition and show GW what it's like to have wasted money on a load of models.
    Legends is not acceptable for all the money we have spent on FW models.

  • @Mortys_Toilet_Attendant
    @Mortys_Toilet_Attendant Рік тому +1

    No disrespect intended, just some constructive feedback here - this seemed very pre arranged and scripted.
    I had to go and Watch Liam and Joe use the C word a hundred times in 10 minutes to feel clean after 😂

  • @Roeland666
    @Roeland666 Рік тому

    DG are unplayable.

  • @benjaminjcklin-wilks7954
    @benjaminjcklin-wilks7954 Рік тому +2

    😂🤣😂 these are cracking me up … at least you didn’t have the fake laptop 😂😀😂