Considering that Clone Wars is praised by a fair portion of the Star Wars community, including myself, it's actually refreshing to see a review that isn't a hundred percent positive on it. Always nice to have a variety of opinions.
Once you finish all seasons of TCW, you should cover at least some of the Republic comics by Dark Horse and make a comparison with TCW, highlighting where Filoni & co. screwed : Quinlan Vos, Grievous, Asajj Ventress, the general higher stakes of the war in the older canon. Hell, Anakin is unhinged in the old Multimedia Project : he destroys Ventress on two occasions, he almost kills A'Sharad Hett (a.k.a. Darth Krayt) thinking he's a Tusken Raider when they first meet, he throws Durge (a much scarier bounty hunter than Cad Bane) into an escape pod to the Sun to kill him, not to mention how he goes full Vader on the Skakoans on Nelvaan in the microseries.
I remember Tadd Larkin saying someone calling out Dave Filoni for changing Yularen into an admiral when he was supposed to be a colonel. Filoni could've had someone tell him otherwise. Also, Barriss Offee is apparently supposed to closer to Anakin's age when she befriends Ahsoka. In regards to the Mandalorians in TCW, alot of them had blond hair, which is not really the case in the EU, but Bo-Katan is revealed to have red hair.
He also could have perused the Databank or Wookieepedia. It was trivially easy, yet he was too lazy to DO that and uses George Lucas to justify his laziness. I hate him.
Why would he use Wikipedia when they had "The Holocron." Bariss can still be Anakin's age in TCW. He's very young, and really shouldn't have his own Padawan. I think they even reference the book(The approaching Storm)in that episode.
21:46 THIS shit pissed me off. Filoni just goes ahead and takes a huge dump on the mandalorians. It's nuts how he changed literally everything about them.
19:45 I hate Filoni's hybrid fetish (cough Rebels' green-haired kid cough). It was literally a plot point MULTIPLE TIMES (Rhysati/Nawara ; Face/Dia ; Gavin/Asyr) in the X-Wing series that there's no genetic compatibility between any species outside humans and near-humans (obviously).
Yeah, Filoni's unoriginality is abundantly clear. This show is massively repetitive, and very tiresome to watch because of it. Also, I'm surprised you didn't call out the fact that at the end of the Zillo beast episodes, they talked about cloning the creature, but it was never brought up again after that. God-awful writing...
@Sex'' Allatus Angelus Yikes. There are people who think that?? I'm familiar with the idiotic claim that Filoni is the "TrUe MaStErMiNd" behind ATLA but *that* is one crappy opinion piece I have yet to see.
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@@totallynotdio1311 The virgin "Grand" Inquisitor vs Chad Inquisitor Jerec. Malachor the random Sith planet vs Malachor V. Not to mention, Kanan is literally an amalgam of Rahm Kota, Ferus Olin and Dass Jennir, and possibly Jax Pavan. Oh yeah, and now Thrawn is somehow the one who built TIE Defenders instead of Zaarin.
It’s funny how the wreckage of Coruscant caused by the Zillo Beast and the existence the Zillo Beast is never brought up again in the show or out of it, eh?
@@GalaxyDogenut Filoni has never cared about continuity. Look at the lazy redesign of the Grand Inquisitor. But before THAT he wrecked the orbital visuals to _dozens_ of well-known EU planets. And nary a peep came from his cult.
@@saberiandream316 yeah. J.J brought up a point which I think destroys at least the second episode of the Zillo Beast arc. Why didn’t people blame Palpatine for bringing the Zillo Beast to Coruscant? Surely people would have lost faith in The Senate himself before ROTS if that arc actually happened.
I absolutely hated when this show ripped off other movies. Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Aliens, Godzilla. What? Is Dave Filoni going to ripoff Evil Dead?
Good review JJ! What do you think of Schafrillas productions takes on his own retrospective of the clone wars, like that season 2 is very consistent in not having a single bad episode? By the way he is the same dude that ranked All of the sequels above Phantom menace and Attack of the clones.
@@yaj_5002 In the clone wars cinematic disaster video he changed his ranking and he brought up Rise of Skywalker above Attack of the clones and Phantom menace.
@The Cambot He already did in his own reviews, go watch them. And if you want debunking of bad reviews made by Red Letter Media, Cosmonaut variety hour and Nostalgia Critic go watch Icy the fire wizard and Anomaly Inc.
@The Cambot I am not sure what you wanted to say with your comment but just in case I am going to give the argument of why the line is good in the context of the film. Anakin is a 19 year old teen that for 10 years has been part of the celibate jedi order and has no experience in how to talk to girls. On the other hand Padmé is a young politician who because of her political status can’t have easily a sincere relationship with a person and Anakin being very sincere with his feelings charms her a lot. Many people think that when she say to him to stop looking to her in that way she is annoyed by Anakin’s look and in reality its the opposite, she is charmed by Anakin’s look, Lucas did it too with Han and Leia’s relationship in the emperor strikes back. Before Anakin says his very famous meme line of hating sand Padmé was talking about her childhood and how she used to go to the beach with her friends and stay on the sand all they. On the other hand Anakin’s when he says that he hates sands he his thinking back to his childhood where he was force into slave labor and also hated the sand he was surrounded by. I hope now you understand that line of dialogue in context!
@The Cambot Yeah here I don’t have a real defense and neither does Anomaly Inc. George Lucas loves Shakespear so he included many lines that are very exaggerated from Shakespare. The problem is that like I said before Anakin isn’t used into speaking to girls and the way he speaks in such a romantic and expressive way is a bit out of character. I agree that the line in question should have been reduced and made less shakespearian to reflect more Anakin’s character.
When I first saw the deserter episode I actually thought that Cut kids were his and I was too young to comprehend the timeline issue with that, and I didn't know about Twileks and Humans not compatible, which is why his step kids should be fully Twilek
Genuinely surprised how you missed just how AWFUL Lightsaber Lost is. The empty prequel rip-offs, Ahsoka going psycho on some poor injured guy who's only half her size *and* non-force-sensitive, and the intended lesson of patience being *completely* ignored by Ahsoka, who is very clearly obsessed with her lightsaber to an unhealthy degree. There was so, SO much wrong with that episode. Definitely warranted a closer look. Btw, will you be responding to Schaffrillas sh*tty retrospective on the series? I'd love to see you tear into him. He has horrendously bad takes, even on non-SW-related content.
Regarding your point on just having Dooku or Ventress open the holocron, I believe it depends on whether the force wielder is a Jedi or Sith. What I mean is only a light side user can open a Jedi holocron while a Sith holocron can only be opened by a dark side user.
I’ve heard a light sider can open a Sith holocron, but they will feel nauseous or dizzy due to the dark side presence. This was part of Dooku’s past in the EU.
@@FMK03 no. That would be silly. I've always thought that there was like a year gap between Episode 2 and TCW, then the first 5 seasons covered the 2 years before Episode 3 and seasons 6 and 7 were the weeks and days leading up to Episode 3.
@@danielbeckman6742 The reason why they thought that was the case was because TCW was meant to fit into the EU, which it contradicted endlessly. TCW also contradicted the films just as endlessly.
I love both the prequels and TCW I will admit that the clone wars does mess some things up and creates a few complications but overall I think that it was really good and I grew up on this show just as I did watching the prequels and originals I agree with you about the sequels by the way they are shit movies with terrible world building
Yea timeline issues are problems with a lot of extended universes though. My best example is Halo Reach. Several people hated the game because of its interference with the EU in that universe. However, it was one of my favorite games. It’s why you have too tier cannon in these types of universes. The books comics and lore that the majority of the audience will never see can prevent good stories for the screen. Dave Filoni you can tell respects George Lucas and his vision. He’s still not George and has his own vision. However, it’s better than the garbage Lucas Films puts out.
@@charlybr0wn226 It's not as if what we lost in the EU for Filoni's retcons are improvements to the verse. I'm also skeptical of the claims he is a lore master with how much lore he's botched even AFTER George has left. He was _marketed_ as a lore master and never delivered on them, instead blaming the flighty George who was losing interest in the story rather than himself, when we have instances where he went around the heads of continuity editors trying to hold him back to get permission from George to break continuity. It's not as if George was ever consistent anyway, always changing his mind. Just think about this. All the old EU authors worked hard to try to fit within George's guidelines, but now we have a company that seems to go to Filoni for advice and not George. Kennedy has admitted this and Deborah Chow has admitted this. Really consider that for a moment. What it says to me is that almost everything in Disney Star Wars, from the movies to the video games to the new EU and animated projects, is more Filoni's baby than it is George's baby. George is just a convenient scapegoat for them to blame when things go wrong and sponge off when things go right that they never created.
@@saberiandream316 Certainly, that being said I blame Kathleen Kennedy a lot more than I blame Filoni. George and Filoni from what I understand respect one another. The decision to make Filoni a lore expert and cut out George is not Filoni’s decision. I’ve seen from behind the scenes that Filoni want to work with George again. Not adhering to the larger EU doesn’t make him disrespectful. As you said George could also loose continuity here and there. The issue I have with Disney is there lack of respect for the fans and their unwillingness to clean house of people who clearly hate Star Wars and their fans. Filoni and Favreau aren’t in that camp. If they brought back George and worked off George’s vision with Filoni and Favreau executing it we could once again have good stories. Maybe not the same as George on the ground but good enough for me.
@@charlybr0wn226 Listen to George speaking in interviews. Then examine Filoni's claims that he said "continuity is for wimps." I'm sorry, that does NOT sound like George Lucas. Plus he was caught lying about where they got their ideas once and it was something they took from the EU. "There isn't a thing that we do in the storytelling space that I don't check with Dave. What I find about Dave is you don't just sit down and have a discussion about plot or review characters inside the Star Wars world. You end up having meaningful, thoughtful discussions about what it is we're trying to say inside the storytelling." - Kathleen Kennedy “So there were definitely people that were extremely helpful. Lucasfilm has a great team that helps support that. But I would say Dave Filoni was very pivotal for me, both in terms of The Mandalorian and in terms of the Star Wars of it all, as well as Jon Favreau. But Dave also was a touchstone, and remains a touchstone for me for this series. Anytime I have a question about canon, I go to him.” - Deborah Chow He is a liar. He lied in the new-canon novel A New Dawn where he said their new EU would be "interconnected" for "the first time" in Star Wars history! Oh, you might wanna blame the corporate sharks on the executive side... except he's become one of those long ago. Look at how he and Favreau were just fine changing the character of IG-88 to IG-11 to help Disney dodge royalties. He is every bit part of the Disney problem and these issues will outlast Kennedy.
Dave Filoni mistook Wulf Yularen as a Grand Admiral when he first saw that picture and paraded that knowledge around up until an EU fan corrected him that he was a Colonel in the ISB. It's no coincidence that after this interaction he has a disdain for EU material considering he was told off by and actual fan.
It would have been nice to see Sidious guiding the war a little. I don't remember where it's from, but seeing him deal with blaster-resistant droids and stuff like that would be nice.
the problem with jon favrau is that he is Mediocre as hell and he wont bother to have insight from not just george lucas or steven spielberg but directors who are more versatile from the current year tropes and relying on trends more than variety. he wishes he was a comedian, he wishes he wasnt as out of shape as dave filoni, he wishes he wrote as great as more successful writer-directors...but he forgot that george lucas was not alone while creating star wars until the mid 2000s
WHY do we need a 2ND battle of geonosis?????? WHY does a geonosian sonic cannon turret able to shoot down LAAT/i-s with one shot???? WHY are they making a forward command center with a circle of LAAT/I and AT-TEs????? Stoopid battle...dave filoni is a pile of horseshit
ah yes the clone wars the one who had his best series as little to do with the clone wars as possible. the universe in TCW is more peaceful than the OT, few """battles""" that are skirmishes apperantly you can just pull out from the outer rim in highspeed to the core for no strategic reason. we barely see the conflict progress and Shift. Clone Wars 2003 wasnt that much better in showing that But it showed the scale of a GALACTIC WAR, was way more focused, to the point and shorter. i would want a real clone wars series with the main offensives , campaigns , showing how the PUBLIC views the jedi,clones and palpatine. how could they left out the battle of jabiim, Operation durges lance or the foerost campaign? so much action and story missing and they literally skipped over things "oh we casually invade CATO NEIMODIA " a separatist stronghold or the entire outer rim sieges. they should never called the show TCW because they care all about everything else except the goddamn war
Also they can call the show TCW. Because they don’t always care about everything else in the show. This was an actual war but it was meant to please the small attention spanning idiots from the OT trilogy
I disagree on the Anikan Skywalker criticism. I remember an episode where he uses the darkside to force choke a separatist leader for information. Also later he gets into a fight with Clovis padmes former boyfriend and rages with jealousy and tries to kill him. He also embraces the darkside when the Son of mortis shows him a vision of the future. I love the prequels and the show too. I liked how the show bridged the gaps between the movies as it does expand on anikans character I feel anyway. We see Anikan being as Obi-wan said "he was the best star fighter in the galaxy and a cunning warrior and a good friend". We actually see this in the series. We see Anikan being a good friend to Obi-wan as he helps him rescue duchess satine, we see anikan being a concerned mentor to ashoka when she's kidnapped and survived on her own, we see him being a great warrior and we see him embracing the darkside.
I have to criticize your critique of lethal trackdown. I don't know where you got the idea that Jango fett hates the jedi, I've even played the bounty hunter game which expands his character. He comes off as more of an anti hero similar to Boba fett (who actually hated the jedi, at least for a while). He doesn't seem to have a personal beef with them, unless they were to get in the way of his hunt or something, and he didn't se like someone who would've rested easy if he knew his "son" was committing mass murder. That and one thing about grievous. Grievous does need to retreat and hide at least a few times to be character consistent with continuity, I'm referring to both the 2005 clone wars cartoon volume 2 where count dooku teaches him about retreating when things arent going his way, and the revenge of the sith where windu states he will run and hide like he always does (retreating). However they did lose top often to where grievous was a joke. Aside from both of those criticisms of your review, it was fantastic great job.
I like your review but One thing I will disagree with you is the complaint about the look of the show compared to Bad Batch/S7. This came out in 2009 and looks pretty good for its time period imo Speaking of games have you ever played Uncharted 4 ? Jedi Fallen Order pretty much ripped off its game play from that game. And What's your thoughts on The Last of Us and Last of Us 2 games ?
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 You should give the Last of us a go what with it being made into a HBO TV series. But also by coincidence (in the first game anyway) 1 of the characters you play is Ellie a 14 year old. The comparison between her and Ahsoka and how they are written would be great and worth your time I think
for the clone trooper who deserted a battle...and started a family. stupid filoni shrunk the timeline and then made it feel like the war went on for longer than it actually happened at the same time. and then his kids are 8 years old which i am sure that would never happen..this writing is bullshit and a stupid way to show a clone trooper still alive but left behind...jackass filoni made it seem the clone wars lasted for 10 years inside one episode
Season 2 is the best clone wars season imo. It's the only season that has a lot of standalone episodes and 2-parters. After this, it's all 3 or 4 episode arcs, Darth Maul stories, and blah blah blah. I love the Godzilla episodes, the Geonosis arc(which despite being a 4 parter, every episode is a huge shift into a new setting, its own complete story, and a play on some classic genre). I love the bounty hunter stuff, the cheesy lightsaber lost episode. They're all good. "It's filler." It's an anthology series. They're is no filler. I'm not saying it's the greatest show, but a lot of your complaints are answered right in the show, like: "Deathwatch shouldn't exist, because they were destroyed. Well, that's probably why the Mandalorian government believes Deathwatch was destroyed and no longer exists at first. Or "Cut Lequayne's step-kids shouldn't exist." If they're his step kids, they're not his biological kids. They're fully twilek. "Boba Fett and Aura Sing are supposed to be rivals during the clone wars" Huh? Little 10-11 year old Boba Fett has rivals? Is he already a bounty hunter? Where did you get this? "Plot armored heroes always win." You're not paying attention. Every time they win, they're actually losing and Palpatine is reaping the benefits, just like the heroes win in ep1 & 2, or seem to, but every victory for the heroes tightens the noose. So many episodes and arcs in the show follow this prequel formula.
According to the young Boba Fett series, Aurra Sing and Boba do become rivals. I can't remember the reason, it's been awhile, but it was established in the EU.
admiral trench is a terrible villain. he is a half baked davy jones and the Ch Ch Ch Ch Ch noise the piece of shit tarantula-spider guy is fucked up. should have stayed in 1 episode...and a another uncreative name for a "ranking" villain ...should be called admiral wet-fart...Sh Sh Sh Sh Sh
Does this guy really like Anikin Star wars episodes 1,2, and 3? Anakin quotes "I like sand" "On my point of view the jedi are evil." "Yipeeeeeee!!!" "Now this is pod racing!" "She doesn't like it when I'm watching her." Ok, by the way do you think JJ and Ryan Jhonson really care about whether or not the original series fits into the original series. I think you need to look at subjects as a whole rather than nit picks.
Some bad (or “bad”) quotes does not make a bad character. Leia said, “Why you... half-witted... scruffy-looking... NERF HERDER!” Does that mean her character is bad now?
Taking quotes out of context is so cheap. Anakin is meant to be awkward, and even if he wasn't most of those quotes are decent if you look at them within context.
Considering that Clone Wars is praised by a fair portion of the Star Wars community, including myself, it's actually refreshing to see a review that isn't a hundred percent positive on it. Always nice to have a variety of opinions.
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Another TCW retcon here is that the Dugs are NOT supposed to have any political power on Malastare. The Gran are in charge and the Dugs were laborers.
@The Cambot Read the early Star Wars Republic comics. Specifically, Emissaries to Malastare.
31:30 Not just that, but Aurra Sing was also a Dark Jedi who slew or attacked several masters. Now she's just a generic gunslinger.
Once you finish all seasons of TCW, you should cover at least some of the Republic comics by Dark Horse and make a comparison with TCW, highlighting where Filoni & co. screwed : Quinlan Vos, Grievous, Asajj Ventress, the general higher stakes of the war in the older canon. Hell, Anakin is unhinged in the old Multimedia Project : he destroys Ventress on two occasions, he almost kills A'Sharad Hett (a.k.a. Darth Krayt) thinking he's a Tusken Raider when they first meet, he throws Durge (a much scarier bounty hunter than Cad Bane) into an escape pod to the Sun to kill him, not to mention how he goes full Vader on the Skakoans on Nelvaan in the microseries.
I remember Tadd Larkin saying someone calling out Dave Filoni for changing Yularen into an admiral when he was supposed to be a colonel. Filoni could've had someone tell him otherwise. Also, Barriss Offee is apparently supposed to closer to Anakin's age when she befriends Ahsoka. In regards to the Mandalorians in TCW, alot of them had blond hair, which is not really the case in the EU, but Bo-Katan is revealed to have red hair.
He also could have perused the Databank or Wookieepedia. It was trivially easy, yet he was too lazy to DO that and uses George Lucas to justify his laziness. I hate him.
@@saberiandream316 no
@@saberiandream316 not lazy
Why would he use Wikipedia when they had "The Holocron."
Bariss can still be Anakin's age in TCW. He's very young, and really shouldn't have his own Padawan. I think they even reference the book(The approaching Storm)in that episode.
Barriss should be older than Anakin. Her actress was 23 when AOTC was filmed (2000) whereas Hayden was 19 - Anakin’s exact age.
21:46 THIS shit pissed me off. Filoni just goes ahead and takes a huge dump on the mandalorians. It's nuts how he changed literally everything about them.
19:45 I hate Filoni's hybrid fetish (cough Rebels' green-haired kid cough). It was literally a plot point MULTIPLE TIMES (Rhysati/Nawara ; Face/Dia ; Gavin/Asyr) in the X-Wing series that there's no genetic compatibility between any species outside humans and near-humans (obviously).
Yeah, Filoni's unoriginality is abundantly clear. This show is massively repetitive, and very tiresome to watch because of it. Also, I'm surprised you didn't call out the fact that at the end of the Zillo beast episodes, they talked about cloning the creature, but it was never brought up again after that. God-awful writing...
@Sex'' Allatus Angelus Yikes. There are people who think that?? I'm familiar with the idiotic claim that Filoni is the "TrUe MaStErMiNd" behind ATLA but *that* is one crappy opinion piece I have yet to see.
ReBoot had far more mature and dark storylines than TCW does. _Especially_ once you get to Season 3 and the change to the status quo.
Reboot is an amazing series!
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@@saberiandream316 Such a badass quote.
5:35 The funny thing is that Yularen still is the head of ISB in Rebels (meaning Disney canon), yet now he got demoted from Admiral to Colonel lmao
lol i also notcied that. jj palgiarisms needs to watch rebels some day...
@@totallynotdio1311 He's gonna get a stroke once he touches it. It's even worse if you're aware of the "EU easter eggs" in it.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 rukh intensifies lol
@@totallynotdio1311 The virgin "Grand" Inquisitor vs Chad Inquisitor Jerec. Malachor the random Sith planet vs Malachor V. Not to mention, Kanan is literally an amalgam of Rahm Kota, Ferus Olin and Dass Jennir, and possibly Jax Pavan. Oh yeah, and now Thrawn is somehow the one who built TIE Defenders instead of Zaarin.
Filoni doesn't care about continuity.
Satine: Oh, I’ve know Obi Wan since he was Qui Gon’s padawan.
Siri Tachi who’s existed since 2000/2001: 👁👄👁
It’s funny how the wreckage of Coruscant caused by the Zillo Beast and the existence the Zillo Beast is never brought up again in the show or out of it, eh?
@@GalaxyDogenut Filoni has never cared about continuity. Look at the lazy redesign of the Grand Inquisitor. But before THAT he wrecked the orbital visuals to _dozens_ of well-known EU planets. And nary a peep came from his cult.
@@saberiandream316 yeah. J.J brought up a point which I think destroys at least the second episode of the Zillo Beast arc. Why didn’t people blame Palpatine for bringing the Zillo Beast to Coruscant? Surely people would have lost faith in The Senate himself before ROTS if that arc actually happened.
Palpatine doing that even undermines way too much how intelligent he is.
Another staple of TCW: Dumbing down characters for the sake of the plot.
The prequels rule.. and I’ve never seen a single episode.. so jj is correct objectively
I absolutely hated when this show ripped off other movies. Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Aliens, Godzilla. What? Is Dave Filoni going to ripoff Evil Dead?
Good review JJ! What do you think of Schafrillas productions takes on his own retrospective of the clone wars, like that season 2 is very consistent in not having a single bad episode? By the way he is the same dude that ranked All of the sequels above Phantom menace and Attack of the clones.
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@@yaj_5002 In the clone wars cinematic disaster video he changed his ranking and he brought up Rise of Skywalker above Attack of the clones and Phantom menace.
@The Cambot He already did in his own reviews, go watch them. And if you want debunking of bad reviews made by Red Letter Media, Cosmonaut variety hour and Nostalgia Critic go watch Icy the fire wizard and Anomaly Inc.
@The Cambot I am not sure what you wanted to say with your comment but just in case I am going to give the argument of why the line is good in the context of the film.
Anakin is a 19 year old teen that for 10 years has been part of the celibate jedi order and has no experience in how to talk to girls. On the other hand Padmé is a young politician who because of her political status can’t have easily a sincere relationship with a person and Anakin being very sincere with his feelings charms her a lot. Many people think that when she say to him to stop looking to her in that way she is annoyed by Anakin’s look and in reality its the opposite, she is charmed by Anakin’s look, Lucas did it too with Han and Leia’s relationship in the emperor strikes back. Before Anakin says his very famous meme line of hating sand Padmé was talking about her childhood and how she used to go to the beach with her friends and stay on the sand all they. On the other hand Anakin’s when he says that he hates sands he his thinking back to his childhood where he was force into slave labor and also hated the sand he was surrounded by. I hope now you understand that line of dialogue in context!
@The Cambot Yeah here I don’t have a real defense and neither does Anomaly Inc. George Lucas loves Shakespear so he included many lines that are very exaggerated from Shakespare. The problem is that like I said before Anakin isn’t used into speaking to girls and the way he speaks in such a romantic and expressive way is a bit out of character. I agree that the line in question should have been reduced and made less shakespearian to reflect more Anakin’s character.
Sorry Superman is not really a Larry Stue. He has weaknesses and looses to regular human Lex Luthor
Not to mention Kryptonite
Goku vs. Superman
@@saberiandream316 The fight of the century.
@@FMK03 And the second one was just a crime against fiction.
@@saberiandream316 Exactly.
When I first saw the deserter episode I actually thought that Cut kids were his and I was too young to comprehend the timeline issue with that, and I didn't know about Twileks and Humans not compatible, which is why his step kids should be fully Twilek
with the clawdite shapeshifting i always assumed it was because of her armour as there is some hologram effect when she changed into the individuals.
24:26 thanks for mentioninng me man! great video
edit 28:37dont you dare insult embo man hes so cool
Genuinely surprised how you missed just how AWFUL Lightsaber Lost is. The empty prequel rip-offs, Ahsoka going psycho on some poor injured guy who's only half her size *and* non-force-sensitive, and the intended lesson of patience being *completely* ignored by Ahsoka, who is very clearly obsessed with her lightsaber to an unhealthy degree. There was so, SO much wrong with that episode. Definitely warranted a closer look.
Btw, will you be responding to Schaffrillas sh*tty retrospective on the series? I'd love to see you tear into him. He has horrendously bad takes, even on non-SW-related content.
Well I was struggling with positives things to say about TCW Season 2 so I got desperate
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 Why say something positive just for the sake of being positive? That's not good critiquing...
@@imyouralibi6208 Remember that Dave Filoni Fanboys exist
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 So? You'd rather pander to entitled fans than give an objective take on the show?? 🤨
@@imyouralibi6208 not exactly. As I said, i was just trying to come up with positives
27:12 actually thats something consistent as Bail fought in the war rather frequently even having an army
Regarding your point on just having Dooku or Ventress open the holocron, I believe it depends on whether the force wielder is a Jedi or Sith. What I mean is only a light side user can open a Jedi holocron while a Sith holocron can only be opened by a dark side user.
I’ve heard a light sider can open a Sith holocron, but they will feel nauseous or dizzy due to the dark side presence. This was part of Dooku’s past in the EU.
If season 1 and 2 of this show took place at least a year and a half after AOTC Anakin's portrayal may have made more sense.
I always assumed it had. I don’t know why there’s an assumption that TCW takes place so soon after AOTC.
@@danielbeckman6742 There's probably an official source somewhere that say's it took place almost right after AOTC.
@@danielbeckman6742 Are you seriously going to tell me the entirety of TCW all takes place in just 6 months?
@@FMK03 no. That would be silly. I've always thought that there was like a year gap between Episode 2 and TCW, then the first 5 seasons covered the 2 years before Episode 3 and seasons 6 and 7 were the weeks and days leading up to Episode 3.
@@danielbeckman6742 The reason why they thought that was the case was because TCW was meant to fit into the EU, which it contradicted endlessly. TCW also contradicted the films just as endlessly.
I love both the prequels and TCW I will admit that the clone wars does mess some things up and creates a few complications but overall I think that it was really good and I grew up on this show just as I did watching the prequels and originals
I agree with you about the sequels by the way they are shit movies with terrible world building
Thank you for being honest about TCW's timeline issues. Too many people don't.
Yea timeline issues are problems with a lot of extended universes though. My best example is Halo Reach. Several people hated the game because of its interference with the EU in that universe. However, it was one of my favorite games.
It’s why you have too tier cannon in these types of universes. The books comics and lore that the majority of the audience will never see can prevent good stories for the screen.
Dave Filoni you can tell respects George Lucas and his vision. He’s still not George and has his own vision. However, it’s better than the garbage Lucas Films puts out.
@@charlybr0wn226 It's not as if what we lost in the EU for Filoni's retcons are improvements to the verse. I'm also skeptical of the claims he is a lore master with how much lore he's botched even AFTER George has left. He was _marketed_ as a lore master and never delivered on them, instead blaming the flighty George who was losing interest in the story rather than himself, when we have instances where he went around the heads of continuity editors trying to hold him back to get permission from George to break continuity. It's not as if George was ever consistent anyway, always changing his mind. Just think about this. All the old EU authors worked hard to try to fit within George's guidelines, but now we have a company that seems to go to Filoni for advice and not George. Kennedy has admitted this and Deborah Chow has admitted this. Really consider that for a moment. What it says to me is that almost everything in Disney Star Wars, from the movies to the video games to the new EU and animated projects, is more Filoni's baby than it is George's baby. George is just a convenient scapegoat for them to blame when things go wrong and sponge off when things go right that they never created.
@@saberiandream316 Certainly, that being said I blame Kathleen Kennedy a lot more than I blame Filoni. George and Filoni from what I understand respect one another.
The decision to make Filoni a lore expert and cut out George is not Filoni’s decision. I’ve seen from behind the scenes that Filoni want to work with George again. Not adhering to the larger EU doesn’t make him disrespectful. As you said George could also loose continuity here and there.
The issue I have with Disney is there lack of respect for the fans and their unwillingness to clean house of people who clearly hate Star Wars and their fans. Filoni and Favreau aren’t in that camp. If they brought back George and worked off George’s vision with Filoni and Favreau executing it we could once again have good stories. Maybe not the same as George on the ground but good enough for me.
@@charlybr0wn226 Listen to George speaking in interviews. Then examine Filoni's claims that he said "continuity is for wimps." I'm sorry, that does NOT sound like George Lucas. Plus he was caught lying about where they got their ideas once and it was something they took from the EU.
"There isn't a thing that we do in the storytelling space that I don't check with Dave. What I find about Dave is you don't just sit down and have a discussion about plot or review characters inside the Star Wars world. You end up having meaningful, thoughtful discussions about what it is we're trying to say inside the storytelling." - Kathleen Kennedy
“So there were definitely people that were extremely helpful. Lucasfilm has a great team that helps support that. But I would say Dave Filoni was very pivotal for me, both in terms of The Mandalorian and in terms of the Star Wars of it all, as well as Jon Favreau. But Dave also was a touchstone, and remains a touchstone for me for this series. Anytime I have a question about canon, I go to him.” - Deborah Chow
He is a liar. He lied in the new-canon novel A New Dawn where he said their new EU would be "interconnected" for "the first time" in Star Wars history! Oh, you might wanna blame the corporate sharks on the executive side... except he's become one of those long ago. Look at how he and Favreau were just fine changing the character of IG-88 to IG-11 to help Disney dodge royalties. He is every bit part of the Disney problem and these issues will outlast Kennedy.
*Osama Bin Vizla* 😂
Very entertaining review. Dave Filoni is an overrated hack.
Is it sad weird I'm old enough to remember when Osama Bin Laden was the world's most wanted man? Ah, memories.
Dave Filoni mistook Wulf Yularen as a Grand Admiral when he first saw that picture and paraded that knowledge around up until an EU fan corrected him that he was a Colonel in the ISB. It's no coincidence that after this interaction he has a disdain for EU material considering he was told off by and actual fan.
It would have been nice to see Sidious guiding the war a little. I don't remember where it's from, but seeing him deal with blaster-resistant droids and stuff like that would be nice.
the problem with jon favrau is that he is Mediocre as hell and he wont bother to have insight from not just george lucas or steven spielberg but directors who are more versatile from the current year tropes and relying on trends more than variety. he wishes he was a comedian, he wishes he wasnt as out of shape as dave filoni, he wishes he wrote as great as more successful writer-directors...but he forgot that george lucas was not alone while creating star wars until the mid 2000s
Well thought out and concise in execution.. nice video dude.. subscribed
WHY do we need a 2ND battle of geonosis?????? WHY does a geonosian sonic cannon turret able to shoot down LAAT/i-s with one shot???? WHY are they making a forward command center with a circle of LAAT/I and AT-TEs?????
Stoopid battle...dave filoni is a pile of horseshit
ah yes the clone wars the one who had his best series as little to do with the clone wars as possible. the universe in TCW is more peaceful than the OT, few """battles""" that are skirmishes apperantly you can just pull out from the outer rim in highspeed to the core for no strategic reason. we barely see the conflict progress and Shift. Clone Wars 2003 wasnt that much better in showing that But it showed the scale of a GALACTIC WAR, was way more focused, to the point and shorter. i would want a real clone wars series with the main offensives , campaigns , showing how the PUBLIC views the jedi,clones and palpatine. how could they left out the battle of jabiim, Operation durges lance or the foerost campaign? so much action and story missing and they literally skipped over things "oh we casually invade CATO NEIMODIA " a separatist stronghold or the entire outer rim sieges. they should never called the show TCW because they care all about everything else except the goddamn war
Nah clone wars 2003 was that much better. Clone wars didn’t have little to do with the clone wars
Focused to the point and shorter doesn’t always mean better.
They didn’t skip over many things
Also they can call the show TCW. Because they don’t always care about everything else in the show. This was an actual war but it was meant to please the small attention spanning idiots from the OT trilogy
The universe in TCW is actually more in a crisis than OT
20:12 Was that a personal attack or something?
Towards who?
19:50 I’m pretty sure those are his step children bro, mentioned in season 7 please do more research before criticizing
I always like the prequels despite some issues it does have, I will say though clone wars gave me a gasm with that palpatine
I disagree on the Anikan Skywalker criticism. I remember an episode where he uses the darkside to force choke a separatist leader for information. Also later he gets into a fight with Clovis padmes former boyfriend and rages with jealousy and tries to kill him. He also embraces the darkside when the Son of mortis shows him a vision of the future. I love the prequels and the show too. I liked how the show bridged the gaps between the movies as it does expand on anikans character I feel anyway.
We see Anikan being as Obi-wan said "he was the best star fighter in the galaxy and a cunning warrior and a good friend". We actually see this in the series. We see Anikan being a good friend to Obi-wan as he helps him rescue duchess satine, we see anikan being a concerned mentor to ashoka when she's kidnapped and survived on her own, we see him being a great warrior and we see him embracing the darkside.
The CW Multimedia project did everything you praise TCW for first.
8:08 actually my arguments are the opposite
I have to criticize your critique of lethal trackdown. I don't know where you got the idea that Jango fett hates the jedi, I've even played the bounty hunter game which expands his character. He comes off as more of an anti hero similar to Boba fett (who actually hated the jedi, at least for a while). He doesn't seem to have a personal beef with them, unless they were to get in the way of his hunt or something, and he didn't se like someone who would've rested easy if he knew his "son" was committing mass murder.
That and one thing about grievous. Grievous does need to retreat and hide at least a few times to be character consistent with continuity, I'm referring to both the 2005 clone wars cartoon volume 2 where count dooku teaches him about retreating when things arent going his way, and the revenge of the sith where windu states he will run and hide like he always does (retreating). However they did lose top often to where grievous was a joke.
Aside from both of those criticisms of your review, it was fantastic great job.
Eeth Koth did appear in Revenge of the Sith. He was one of the jedi that Mace brought with him for the arrest of Palpatine.
Actually that was Aagon Kolar (Probably butchered the spelling)
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 Okay. My bad.
I like your review but One thing I will disagree with you is the complaint about the look of the show compared to Bad Batch/S7. This came out in 2009 and looks pretty good for its time period imo
Speaking of games have you ever played Uncharted 4 ? Jedi Fallen Order pretty much ripped off its game play from that game. And What's your thoughts on The Last of Us and Last of Us 2 games ?
I haven't really played Playstation Exclusives. I'll probably play Legacy of the Thieves when that comes out on PC
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 You should give the Last of us a go what with it being made into a HBO TV series.
But also by coincidence (in the first game anyway) 1 of the characters you play is Ellie a 14 year old. The comparison between her and Ahsoka and how they are written would be great and worth your time I think
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 The Last of Us is considered one of the Greatest games of all time, you should play it at least once
for the clone trooper who deserted a battle...and started a family. stupid filoni shrunk the timeline and then made it feel like the war went on for longer than it actually happened at the same time. and then his kids are 8 years old which i am sure that would never happen..this writing is bullshit and a stupid way to show a clone trooper still alive but left behind...jackass filoni made it seem the clone wars lasted for 10 years inside one episode
Season 2 is the best clone wars season imo. It's the only season that has a lot of standalone episodes and 2-parters. After this, it's all 3 or 4 episode arcs, Darth Maul stories, and blah blah blah.
I love the Godzilla episodes, the Geonosis arc(which despite being a 4 parter, every episode is a huge shift into a new setting, its own complete story, and a play on some classic genre). I love the bounty hunter stuff, the cheesy lightsaber lost episode. They're all good.
"It's filler." It's an anthology series. They're is no filler.
I'm not saying it's the greatest show, but a lot of your complaints are answered right in the show, like:
"Deathwatch shouldn't exist, because they were destroyed.
Well, that's probably why the Mandalorian government believes Deathwatch was destroyed and no longer exists at first.
Or
"Cut Lequayne's step-kids shouldn't exist."
If they're his step kids, they're not his biological kids. They're fully twilek.
"Boba Fett and Aura Sing are supposed to be rivals during the clone wars"
Huh? Little 10-11 year old Boba Fett has rivals? Is he already a bounty hunter? Where did you get this?
"Plot armored heroes always win."
You're not paying attention. Every time they win, they're actually losing and Palpatine is reaping the benefits, just like the heroes win in ep1 & 2, or seem to, but every victory for the heroes tightens the noose. So many episodes and arcs in the show follow this prequel formula.
According to the young Boba Fett series, Aurra Sing and Boba do become rivals. I can't remember the reason, it's been awhile, but it was established in the EU.
admiral trench is a terrible villain. he is a half baked davy jones and the Ch Ch Ch Ch Ch noise the piece of shit tarantula-spider guy is fucked up. should have stayed in 1 episode...and a another uncreative name for a "ranking" villain ...should be called admiral wet-fart...Sh Sh Sh Sh Sh
Does this guy really like Anikin Star wars episodes 1,2, and 3?
Anakin quotes
"I like sand"
"On my point of view the jedi are evil."
"Yipeeeeeee!!!"
"Now this is pod racing!"
"She doesn't like it when I'm watching her."
Ok, by the way do you think JJ and Ryan Jhonson really care about whether or not the original series fits into the original series. I think you need to look at subjects as a whole rather than nit picks.
This is the most shallow comment I’ve gotten in a while
They're unoriginal hacks.
Some bad (or “bad”) quotes does not make a bad character.
Leia said, “Why you... half-witted... scruffy-looking... NERF HERDER!”
Does that mean her character is bad now?
What are you talking about they are the most iconic quotes ever. I never considered them bad quotes. In fact, they made the movies better.
Taking quotes out of context is so cheap. Anakin is meant to be awkward, and even if he wasn't most of those quotes are decent if you look at them within context.
I just ended up seeing this as a good show but dogshit Star Wars content