Evolution of MotoGP Riding Styles - From Leaning Out to Elbow Dragging
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
- How did we go from sitting straight up on the bike to Elbow dragging? Why was it that the riders of old did not hang off? This video from Speed & Noise goes through the entire history of Motorcycle riding styles, from the early 1900s Isle of man TT racing to 2017 Moto GP.
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RACING WHILE SMOKING CIGARETTE !
What an amazing time to live 😂
but he put it on the ashtray whilst going round the corners!
We, who were born during the war and survived had so much freedom. Not so today.
Imagine rossi do that while overtaking marquez
I smoke my pipe or my handrolled cigarettes, with strong brown tobacco, whilst riding my bicycle.
Generally, I stop to smoke, but not always.
It is a shame that we can't smoke in most places.
They did not live very long
Marc's style is to go way faster than you should, lean hard, and pray. Balls to the wall.
6:48 aerodynamic chin ftw
Lmao
Absolute Chad 🗿
The legend at 2:45! Airborne, throttle pinned, on bicycle tyres - smoking a cigarette !! I bet he rolled the cig halfway down Bray Hill !
Harvey Williams www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolCool/comments/bmz096/you_may_be_cool_but_you_will_never_be_harvey/
Next style: helmet dragging.
Scott redding
Cal Crutchlow has that one down
No, next is going to be riding side-saddle. That is, you're entire body including both legs on one side of the bike. Weee!
Lol
Rondee amd then driving upside down somehow
With regard the earliest 'lean out' technique. The early races were on unsealed, if not actual dirt surfaces. Leaning the bike into the corner whilst keeping the body upright is a pretty common technique on dirt, even today.
Gomez Gomezian totally agree here
Also narrow tracks with lots of slow and tight technical cornering where you need to switch lean quickly i guess.
At lower speeds, like in dirt turns you do Counter Steering to avoid putting g's on bike and low slide..
I don't think traction is the complete answer. Listening to Surtees' description of those old bikes, a lot of it still applies to pedal cycles (which have changed very little in design since those days, unlike motorbikes). The fastest way to corner pedal cycles is to lean the bike more than the body.
@@Catcrumbs This also only applies until certain speeds. Try cornering at 50 mph on a steep gravel road by this technique and you'll propably end up with a nice pizza margherita...
Dude, if you are going to whisper when you are talking then DON'T TURN THE MUSIC UP WHEN YOU ARE NOT. My ears are now bleeding!Great video though.
James Spry lmao
Totally agree lmao.
I physically looked for this comment
Ha! Me too, if no one else was going to bring it up I was. Great video, but I have issue with erratic audio levels, whether UA-cam or movies or t.v., come on y'all.
he is talking so slow i played the video at 1,25 speed way better
1900: In the future we will have flying cars.
2000: sportbikes, things from heaven.
squid missile
An upright body style is still very prominent in offroad racing and mountain biking. From my experience the upright style helps to put more weight on the tire contact point at slower speeds and when traction is limited. I think a big factor in the change of style in road racing is the improvement in tire technology and an increase in the speed the racers can take the corners.
In the seventies, I was leaning over in turns to prevent my pegs from dragging. Seems obvious that that is why it's done. I also discovered that when your bike slides out from under you, you don't fall as far.
you didn't mension the leg dangle.
I was looking forward to that too, homie!
thats a braking maneuver, hes talking more about cornering although i do think he should have added it cause the video is supposed to be about the heneral styles of riding not just cornering
@@Birdyssk8services besides, the dangle is done in preparation of a corner so you could say it's part of it
mention*
Regarding riding styles that leap frogged everyone, I have a KR story. First the background. In H.S. I earned both a 125cc and 250cc AMA Expert's License in Motocross in the early 70's and as a Sr. in H.S. I was hanging up my racing boots and planning to prepare for Engineering College when my dealership sponsor (Island Yamaha in Merritt Island, Fl.) asked me if I would be interested in running some practice laps at Sebring in the winter of '75 on a new TZ-250 (B) that they were considering taking to Daytona in '75. I of course jumped at the chance. Turned out they had me and two other guys they wanted to run some practice laps on the TZ at Sebring to sort the bike out and to see if they liked any of us to ride at Daytona in a couple months. I took to the TZ250 like a fish in water and apparently had the fastest lap times by far so I got the ride. That is the background, now to my point/story: I ended up running in three preliminary races at Daytona in '75 and had the time of my life. During an open practice coming off the front straight I was passed by a certain #1 on a TZ-750...Kenny Roberts. I tucked in behind him and wanted to see if I could learn something following him through the infield corners. I figured I could carry a bit more speed into the corners on my super light TZ-250 so was hopeful I could hang with him through the infield...lol...Not! He was "steering with his rear tire" before anyone even knew what that was...he would place the TZ-750 front tire where he wanted it by applying throttle to bring the rear end around the apex...he was literally sliding the TZ-750 all the way across the width of the track and was doing it with lean angle and throttle. I was amazed and right then I realized what an other worldly talent he was. I later got to briefly talk to him in the pits about what I saw trying to follow him and he is the one who described his technique as Steering with the rear tire...btw KR is a cool cat.
Amazing story - thanks! So what happened after that race? Did you race some more? I always wanted to race (UK) but alas... too expensive and when my parents found out my true ambitions!! **&&%$# Lol...
@@scotsguy422 I raced 3 other times in Fl. and Georgia (road Atlanta, Sebring and Daytona again (not during the 200), then I was off the Engineering college. Btw I recently retired and am considering putting a reservation down to hold a 2019 Ducati V4R...with the Race Kit it is $46,595
little late but somehow i missed this video. Great story man. I remember as a young kid in the 80s watching Kenny clips on On any Sunday and then going out in the backyard on my little 80cc honda and pretending I was Bob Hannah.
Did you know a guy last named pressly like Elvis pressly. It's impossible to find records of this stuff but apparently he used to race with kr mid 70s, he's a friend of mine at the barber vintage festival I go to every year. Met him at the very first year of the festival and have seen him there every year since. He has some crazy stories and the guys that know him back it up but have no real proof
You're definitely my new favorite for 2 wheels videos,
Another great video, amazing attitude,no BS ,
Greaaaat work, thank you !! :)
Thanks Asaf!
Great documentary keep them coming. I like how you incorporate why the changes happen historically. Also, gives me ideas for improving experimenting with my amateur riding.
Thanks Gary. Doing the research opened up my eyes as well, it now makes sense to me why the racers of old were riding the bikes like they were.
That was really interesting. Thank you for taking the time to put that all together: )!!
Very informative. Thanks for putting this together and highlighting all the pioneers.
Guy in the video : whispers
Me : turns volume up
Guy in the video : Stops whispering
Me : 🙂
Also me when the earape music comes up : 💀
Thanks Mikael, that was excellent. The image of the guy with a ciggy hangin' outta his mouth while racing is way too kool for skool.
Absolutely loving your channel. Well researched and articulated.
Most informative. You answered many of my questions regarding the evolution of MC racing. Thank you for your efforts.
2:50 is he really smoking a cigarette just savage
One big point of the "leaning out" technique in the beginning (and why it is still heavily used in places like dual sports) is stability. When leaning out and one wheel slipps, you need less movement, less power and can act way more intuitive then when leaning in with the bike or even hanging of the bike. Off course, MotoGP riders don't care for these advantages because a) they need to collect every 1/100th of a second they can get, and b) they spend pretty much their whole lives to train every possible dangerous situation and how to react.
Thank you for all the hard work that went into this!
Great video and breakdown of riding style progression!!!
My theory on the "lean out technique" is that it had more to do with the amount of traction available, as dirt bike riders today use the same technique when going around a flat corner.
I like Rossi's style: TO STAY IN THE FRONT 😂😂😂
@WARRIOR FIGHTER PAHLAWAN never
@@ercanyesiltas get over it. Vale era is over
I'm a motogp fan but I didn't think about origin of different stiles. Thank you Speed & Noise for a great video.
I subscribed.
Great video! Really informative and entertaining too. Well done!
*psst narration...* ... *MUSIC!!!!!!* ... *whisper narration*
Very good video. Subscribing right now. Greetings from Brazil.
Thanks Nasser
you are so thorough and charismatic, i appreciate that
Really enjoyed the historic parts, nice video!
Is that a guy having a ciggy while racing at 2:46 ?
and inverted forks
He is. r/oldschoolbadass
I want it as a poster haha, anyone knows how i can find it ?
Yeah, before the days of 'second hand smoke'...
It's probably just something the camera didn't pick up properly. Just a coincidence it's there.
would love to see more videos like this
More vids like this to come!
Love the videos! Highly immersive and interesting
Great as always. Keep it up.
I like how the music scream after my ear adapt to his whispering.
The music at 8:08 is outstanding... whats the name???
What a great video. Really interesting. Nice job.
This was a very good video. I really appreciate that some thought was put into it.
pretty sure no one is as cool as a guy doing high speed over a jump with a smoke hangin out his mouth... pretty much the most bad ass thing ive seen ...
So true! What a guy, probably had a drag while going around some of the slower corners! Then had it hanging from the corner of his mouth for the next few miles. Amazing photo and well worth remembering.
Nice video again!
Tip; watch the audio volume levels between bits....some music bits are way to loud.
Keep 'm comming!
Coming....only one M
Pro tip: Watch the whole video before uploading and adjust things if necessary.
Very good content. Thank you for keeping me entertained for the length of the video. I subscribed
Thanks tharun!
Another great video,and as always very informative.
Thanks Temple!
7:04 John Cooper wearing Nakano helmet...😅
"Moonshine"
King Kenny was the man, I loved watching him race back in the day. i copied his style on my RD 400....well best I could anyway :) Man I missed that bike i loved that little beast.
this vid was amazing, keep that quality work!
Thanks Raziel
I've been riding for 40 years, just got caught up on some motorcycle history. Thank you!
Interesting summary. Thanks. I thought you might touch on the "Leg Dangle" introduced by Rossi and now copied by pretty much everyone in MotoGP today...
I was hoping to see something about that as well. Seems like it got it's start in dirt biking or motard, but not all the guys doing it have ridden there.
motomatters.com/opinion/2009/07/22/the_truth_behind_the_rossi_leg_wave.html
@@revengefullobster4524We used to do that as kids riding bicycles for fun because it just felt more secure. If we slipped we could land on our foot (not something you want to do when driving any faster. When pushed to the limit, sometimes basic instincts kick in huh?
When I started riding I used the 'stay upright and push the bike in' style. ;) And in some article I've read really long time ago it was referred to as the 'italian style'. Now I have some idea why that might have been the case. ;]
Tazio Nuvolari seems to have introduced 'the Italian style' indeed
I do that for super slow corners or sometimes if it's a bit bumpy on the corner. Dirt riding helps learning that.
Awesome videos. Thanks for sharing!
GREAT VIDEO!!! congrats my friend
I love this. And, like some people below, I'd like to know what song at 8:08. Please....
Bivita Brata any luck finding the song?
Bivita Brata like to know also, so if anyone knows, it would be very appreciated.
i am searching too
@@chandalf4500 Did you ever figure it out? The greatest, most epic electric Moto-shred of ALL TIME?!
@@DJDeonPearson Nope :( but i think it sounds like sth from the Band "Carpenter Brut"...
I want that t shirt, where is it from? :D
Bought it in the store at Laguna Seca
Wonderful & historically informative Video, Thankyou. Yours Ian
Very nice video loved it!
which is the song that starts at 8:08?
Dijei Nagai - Finding Grace (Original Mix)
@@sstallionn7 lol that's not correct
soundcloud.com/artymix/rise-of-the-80s-hero-royalty-free-music-background-music
@@shawnjohnson739 thank you so much!!
Damn does anyone know the song at 8:08? Perfect night ride music!
Speed & Noise ass wipes aren't reading the comments... I want to know too
I want to know too
Darude Sandstorm
Just planting a flag for the day anybody finds out the name of the song.
something from the 80s
At 2:50 I have that picture on my phone of the racer smoking while racing at the TT lol so badass... great history lesson!! You missed one thing and that was elbow sliders but amazing video 👍👍
Awesome vid like the explanation very well
Thanks for this and the future vids
Thanks Kedar
5:44 you totally butchered the name giacomo...
Btw still a very nice and well made video, keep up the good work
It should be pronounced "JACOMO" we italians pronounce "G" like you do with "J"
Should I lean into the corner when riding a bike that has the tank under the seat
What type of bike is it? Dirt, street?
Sure. Having tank under the seat makes your center of mass slightly lower, but the principles stay the same. ;) The more you lean yourself, the more bike can stay upright - and that means more traction.
Speed & Noise it's kind of a 50 cc scooter with gears
If your goal is to ride faster then imho - yes, you should lean. On scooter you don't have the tank (even a fake one) to grab to with your knees, so you won't be able to lean too much. But everything helps. ;)
Check out these guys: ua-cam.com/video/vNugmdbBfxU/v-deo.html
MotoHolota that's very impressive
Nice history lesson. Vintage stuff is always cool to see video of.
Great video. Very informative!
Awesome video.
Which song starts at 8:08?
I'd like to know as well
PLEASE FUCKING RESPOND "Speed & Noise"
Its Darude _ Sandstorm for fuck sake
YES WHAT SONG IS THAT
no it's not, dumbass)
Song @ 8:10?????
Dijei Nagai - Finding Grace (Original Mix)
great video, and I really enjoyed it
Great video. Thank you very much for it :)
Also, do not forget, the first "couple" of years, races were held on loose surface ... ergo ... the used the "same" technic that the current dirt-tracker still use ;o)
Hey man.I recently had a crash on my bike,due to a car going through the corner on half my lane.Luckily, I'm fine and the bike suffered minor damage.Thing is,I am now quite scared on the road,and don't feel comfortable in turns...any tips on how to get over my fears?
Toni K Get on your bike sooner than later. The longer you wait, the more fear develops. You're on a motorcycle, so you control as many factors as you can and accept the danger, so you either get back on and ride or you don't. Live and learn.
Toni K Make sure your rubber is quality. depends on the bike but i would recommend Michelin road pilot 3. There are newer pilots available but i have never felt more secure in a corner as i have with those tires. Wet or dry.
I would also ignore what pro riders will teach you about going wide in a corner so you can see what's coming, that's useless if you are far out in the corner and have nowhere to go but into oncoming traffic when you spot danger or misjudge the corner.
If you're unsure of the corner, take it easy and stay in the middle of the lane, this will give you options should you need to adjust your line.
Sorry to hear Toni. I too have gone through a couple of crashes, one really bad crash on the road. I got over my fear of riding by simply going out riding at a comfortable pace. When you have done that for a while, start working on looking as far ahead as possible.
All the best.
/Mikael
Speed & Noise I have started riding again,now just the matter of getting back the confidence and looking ahead! Thanks for the help guys
Take the skirt off. It's not fear it's respect. Skill comes with putting the time in.
Props on your research and credits!
Love your work
What’s the song at 8:08?
Speed & Noise shit heads aren't reading comments... I'm trying to find it aswell
@@drmurda Me too... Have you found? :D
@@raitoniemi Not yet :(
@@drmurda Dance with the dead get's pretty close. But i've been searching all their songs and no match :D
Being searching with Shazam, SoundHound, Music Recognition, Google!!!...and no song with that same synth rhythm 😒
music is way too loud. but great video nonetheless. but seriously too loud
@RATHALOS are you retarded? He's not talking about how hard it is, he's talking about the volume levels, you fucking idiot lol
Great vid! Love the content!
Thanks!
Nice job! Good vid!
Who remembers Norick Abe's style?
YES I REMEMBER ABE SAN,THAT FAST RIDE IN JAPAN GOT THE CHAMPION OF THE DAY WORRIED FOR A LONG TIME,THAT WAS RAW TALENT,TO MANY PPL GIVE HIM ADVICE,IN THE WRONG DIRECTION THEY SHOULD HAVE LEFT HIM TO HIS WILD STYLE, AND HE WOULD HAVE WON A LOT MORE RACES,HE WOULD HAVE LEARNED TO CONTROL THE 2 STROKE BEAST....
HNY-2018..!!
Plz explain in detail about the following things.
1) IMU.
2) ENGINE BREAKING.
3) THROTTLE TRANSITIONS.
4) AUTOBLIPPER.
5) QUICKSHIFTER.
6) LAUNCH CONTROL.
7) GREAR RATIOS (@tall, @short).
Happy new year Ravi. Thanks for the proposed topics! I will try to incorporate them in the new episodes coming out.
Short answer (seems like Mikel is going to go into more detail in future videos)
1) A lean angle sensor that is mostly used to allow ABS and traction control to work better when leaned over.
2) slowing down with just the engine, happens every time you let off the throttle, the effect is more pronounced in lower gears.
3) Not quite sure what you're asking about here other than a basic on/off throttle transition.
4) used on bi-directional quick shifters to allow clutchless downshifts with less chance of tire chatter.
5) a device that interrupts the engine power for a brief moment to allow easy clutchless shifting, basic ones only work on upshifts, better ones have an auto-blipper and work in boht directions.
6) A traction control setting that limits wheelspin/wheelies just enough to get a near perfect launch with ease.
7) The ratio of engine RPM to wheel RPM. A tall ratio allows for higher top speeds, but less acceleration. A short ratio allows for better acceleration (also makes the bike wheelie easier) but lowers the top speed.
Speed & Noise thankyou mikael sir.
First of all sry for delayed response, as im lil busy with my stuides & stuff. I always love your content.
mrvwbug44 Thanks a ton buddy. Actually, i donno anything about this automotive stuff. But, recently i got interested, started pursing the related info about them. Meanwhile these are the most common words that i get the hear every now and then.
Really, i glad that, yu took yur time out for replying & giving me a sneakpeak of what actually are they.
Cheers buddy.
Love from INDIA.
I love your comment it’s intelligent concise and fun to watch keep up the good work my friend
Very nice compilation, informative.
Nice video but you can't talk really quiet I'm going put extremely loud ear splitting music
Every time I see a Laguna Seca race, I get so pissed at Dorna for cancelling it in favor of COTA. They got rid of what was undoubtedly the best track on the calendar for the most boring and unnecessarily long track the US has to offer.
Bring Back Laguna!
I agree!
Riders love the layout of COTA as it was designed by a fellow rider (Kevin Schwantz) and is in the free state of Texas unlike the communist state of Commiefornia.
cota is not boring ffs. laguna seca is the most overrated track in the world. first half of the track is very dull, the corkscrew is pretty cool and then the rest of the track is nothing special. cota is much better and much more challenging for riders.
Great Content keep it up!
Great research, great video! Thanks for it!
So you just give Casey Stoner 15 seconds like he didn''t have an era of his own. Like he wasn't the man that stopped Rossi winning championships, seems like you rushed the last part of the video
Totally agree. Shows VR's desperate overtake of CS using no style at all, then shows Casey crash. Then makes out that MM invented his own style, when in fact he has copied Casey's style, then taking it further.
@@bernburn11 Yeah Marquez learned fro him and developed his own insane style out of it haha. Casey will never get the credit he deserves because majority of the fans go for Rossi. Doesn't have the most respectable fans in some cases
Great video but what the heck, Rossi 1979! was he even born then, not to mention all the other dates were only like 20 or 30 years off, just a tad.
Rossi was born in 1979. The others races were born on the same dates as presented.
tell me which age is off by 20 or 30 years love to hear it...so say Mick Doohan is really only in his 20s now..so that means he was sperm when he was racing...amazing knowledge of motorcycle racing you have.
All the dates shown next to the riders are the year in which they were born.
I reckon it should be the years they have been winning. When they were born is a bit irrelevant if it's relating to when they are changing the style of riding. I too was a bit confused at first
The first date got too but it's DOB not race year.
Interesting video, loved the synthwave style music.
This video felt like an hour but the good kind
Really enjoyed it
Revisionist or poorly researched history. Jean Philippe Ruggia was using his elbows around corners, 25 years before Marquez, and without any onboard electronics. It would be interesting to see what would happen if they actually did what Rossi asks for every year.... Ditch the electronic and get back to pure racing.
Rossi would have won a few more championships.
True, and no mention of Omobono Tenni, the "black devil" of the TT. Riders said he was scary to look at because he removed grass from the hills with his shoulders at the Isle of Man. First Foreigner to win the TT on a foreign bike in 1937, on a Moto Guzzi, he fell, had to replace a spark plug and won half a minute ahead of the second
Rossi is a master looking for excuses. He would like to return to the era when he had weak rivals. To be the one-eyed in the land of the blind people gained him a lot of world titles. But this is over. No matter the electronics, the tyres and so, the big drivers are able to adapt and will be great in any circumstances. Surtees, Hailwood and Agostini would have beaten him yesterday and would put today in problems to Lorenzo or even Marquez.
@@georgemavrides3434 no he wouldnt. yamaha have shit rear grip and without traction control that problem would be even greater.
This was brilliant. Thanks for taking the time and effort to make it.
Thanks sometimes a video like this allows thinking of the fun days gone by to bring a smile .So true how riding styles change based on the era and even the bike ,tires ,brakes, engine power on and on . Once tires got good enough and you learned how to pick up your bike with your knee back in the 70s earlier 80s cornering faster and sliding smoothly Could be done . I think it was mentioned the knee bumping the ground that would be the lack of grip and out rigger knee save before tire advancing to allow the lean angle of a solid light drag that is hard to tell when. Pressure increases due to tire slippage .
Awesome video!
awsome history lesson thank you !
great video and clips
Great video and nice info.
Excellent video my friend!
Excellent vid!
I like how the emotional music starts with Rossi and Marquez
Awesome work! Thank you
Very informative, thanks!