He was so worried about something happened to his son but he was sleeping in the bed with Tabby when she was 13 yrs old , and Jake with Hanna , they were doing the same thing they say they were afraid would happen to their children….. ridiculous the mine set of this family
Your correct of course yet here I believe it’s likely George was acknowledging the bad decisions of his “parents” ( term used loosely). He’s attempting to paint himself as a more responsible “parent.” None of these people should parent a child.
Based on what I’ve listened so far in this trial; this family was trashy and you can tell it started generations prior to him. They were dishonest people and had no moral values. I remember the pastor that grew up with them and this pastor’s father was a pastor too. If he knew how deceitful this family was. They moved to Alaska they started attending his church and I remember him saying that their mother was a control freak and even George’s uncle the youngest brother of his mother. He said he was bully by Angela but he would stood up to her. The pastor said that Jake wasn’t as spiritual as his brother George. I still think the whole family was involved with the murders. I have mixed feelings if George got dragged into this after they committed the crime. Let’s see I don’t trust anyone of them and the mother was the planner.
The way he smirks after answering the prosecutors questions is infuriating! I’m so pleased he got found guilty on all counts. I hope he has an awful time being locked up in prison for the rest of his life! Here’s hoping that he is served jailhouse justice from other inmates!!!
His own brother and mother confessed he was there? His footprints were there. Their word and a footprint versus his testimony. He testified to breaking the law in the past (fraud) so why believe him now? His word is meaningless.
WORD ! Andddd if that psychopath mom only got 30 yrs for being the MANIPULATIVE MASTERMIND Just to attain that child for HERSELF…. Then dammmm - Georgy shudnt get more than 10! Gimme dam break!
Jake confessed and told the story of what happened that night. But he cared about his family enough to try and get the death penalty taken off the table for the rest of his family. Given that, why would he lie about George's involvement? What is in it for Jake? George could be the one left free to look after the kids. He could raise those kids up to be amazing thieves and criminals!
If Jake and his mom testified against George that would take the death penalty off the table, and if George is found Guilty he will get the death penalty. Jake and his mom both are testifying against George and the Father who plead not Guilty.
He is so condescending an that look on his face tells me he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room , that scowl , he’s trying to be patient but is failing ..
Lots of audio hours of George screaming + threatening but he is oh-so-soft-spoken on the stand. Violent with Tabitha and kept her away from her son for years. This is not a good person. The family operated as a unit, one mind. His footprint is at the scene, no one accusing him of shooting but rather being an accomplice. Will be interesting to see what Daddy Billy has to say. He's also pretending he wasn't there shooting.
You can see George’s breathing start to increase and tell by his pursed lips when he’s getting pissed. Interested to see if he can hold that temper through this all.
George talking about how bad his mother is, yet wanted to make sure she had the best attorney so that she could continue caring for the children if they were to get arrested
Then his excuse was that if anything happened to him then his mom can take care of his kid. He talks as if Tabitha was not willing and able to take care of his child.
One thing I will say for George is he is very well spoken, clear cut and comes off as genuine. He’s actually corrected the prosecutor a couple times and he’s cleared up a couple issues. I mean maybe he didn’t shoot any of these people. This is such a wild crime I go back and forth.
He is an adnitted criminal of many kinds: chop shop operator, poacher, fake car wrecks for insurance fraud, who knows what else - but you believe he never even accompanied Jake + Billy to the muders? He has been coached by attorneys for months, was violent with Tabitha, slept in his mother's bedroom at Peterson house -- this is an untrustworthy adult criminal living with his criminal family.
@@rosep8481 he already admitted to going with his brother and dad then burying the guns and clothes they used in the murders in Ohio law you don't have to pull the trigger to be charged you just have to be an active participant in the crime. That is a super cute baby in your profile picture by the way. My son's 15 i miss when he was a baby like that.
I love how she is using his own statements against him. And he is getting irritated because his meek act was trying to serve up to the jury isn't working. His temper is flaring. He is going to have a rough time in prison.
He can spend thousands of dollars buys lots of guys but can’t leave ..lol liar He blames everything on caffeine and no sleep . He calls names to women he don’t like . He called a 4 yr old a bitch and blames it on irritability..what a great guy wow
I could be completely wrong and there are people out there who know George much better than I just listening to his testimony, however, listening to other people who knew him (outside his evil family) he does come across more redeemable than the rest.
When I first started watching his testimony I thought the same until I heard the wire taps and the rest of his testimony. He hates women and was complicit in the conspiracy of mass murder.
What don't this lady for prosecution understand when you been driving for 2 days with no sleep ,who knows how accurate anyone would remember what they told someone!
Jake should have never been given any sort of plea bargain period! He was the shooter who shot and killed all 8 people, why is he not getting the death penalty?? That’s insane to me!! That deal should have been given to George, the non-shooter..this is just crazy to me
Why should George take the fall for what Jake and Angela engineered!!! The State should have charged those two with first degree murder not offered them a deal. George should walk. "Not Guilty"
Don't be fooled. He's been coached for months to present as mild-mannered good ol' boy. This criminal family operated as a unit. No way that George would not know of (or be involved in) preparations for the murder setting up their own surveillance camera to know when best time to strike Rhodens. Angela bought Walmart shoes for George and Jake for the murders.
I think the state made a big mistake , I think they all should have been charged with murder, interesting they would probably pointed the finger at each other instead George is pointing the finger at Mom and Jake and proclaiming his innocence, I think the state messed up
He is some actor. Loud violent, threatening voice to others like Tabby but on the stand he talks quiet as a mouse. We aren't stupid and neither are the jurors, once again deceit runs rampid in this family.
.. correction I think he's full of BS after listening to him saying he's a great hunter and had trail cameras and now he says he doesn't like trail cameras wow he just tripped himself up again
It’s strange and sad how smart criminals and murderers are. Just think if they apply all of that for good instead of evil I hope they never get out of prison.
I'm 1:43:25 into this. I have not heard the Canepa lady ONE TIME say ANYTHING to George 'directly' about 'anyone' being murdered. It's actually...I wouldn't believe what I just said if someone else had told me that and I hadn't seen it myself. I had read that others would somewhat hint to that and I forgot all about that. If I had NO CLUE what this was about and there was no title to give me a hint, I would think someone wasn't that bright if they had told me that this fella was being accused of murdering an entire family tree. It's incredible hearing this lady asking such trivial questions to this guy and this is about MURDER. Wow, is all I can.
Georgie boy is a pretty good liar. It seems like Canepa is getting super frustrated with it. Not sure how the jury will figure out what to do with this.
A good lier he may be but there's no proof, he may be guilty but there's been nothing so far to even put him at the scene or had knowledge before or after. whatever we think ( guilty ) theres nothing so far, the prosecution has a weak case so far, its pretty dissapointing.
@@Melmelba Nothing so far from what i can see, he seems to me to be open and has a reply for everything. i believe we we were too quick to judge him. The general concensus is guilty but im not seeing it so far i was being feseciouse earlier with guilty. He cant be convicted on gossip and what people want all he has to say is i dont know , i wasnt there or i dont remember. Theres no evidence shown so far that can convict in my opinion.
@@daisychain3136 Exactly Daisy! I followed this from the morning it went and listened to the law enforcement traffic for maybe a week after it. I'll just say, a LOT of the info they have stated as FACTS - - is NOT what I was hearing over the airwaves. I have a sneaking suspicion the entire story will never see the light of day ie; Reader already biting the dust 'should' be just the first head to roll, but shouldn't be the last. Something stinks in Piketon IMO.
I agrer with you Anne. I left a post here at the top almost saying exactly what you said. Actually, I find her questioning (at least to this point) bewildering of a prosecutor. If she keeps this type of questioning going on, I believe George is going to walk. I've never heard anything like this before and I don't understand why no one has said anything to her.
I believe justice was served with Jake, I also believe justice was served with George and have a hard time seeing where some say they think he is telling the truth. I believe Angela should have also been charged with the murders. She should have received the same punishment Jake and George recieved. I think she was the master mind behind the entire tragedy. If you listen and watch and pay attention to what George says he gets caught in so many lies. I also believe that if Billy and Angela's parents knew and did nothing they should receive some kind of punishment. Especially Angela's mother who notorized the forged documents and then lie about it. They have talked about theft, lies, deception, arson, drugs. It truly is sickening to think of people who lead a life of crime as the Wagner's have for so many years. And now murder! And apparently Jake believes in god and is suppose to be a religious person. I could be wrong but I don't believe god will turn the other cheek for 8 murders. And I hope justice prevails in May when Billy goes to trial.
George is obviously socially awkward and stumbles with verbage but nothing about his answers seems untruthful, infact he's forthcoming to a fault almost , and there's nothing other than association to put him at any of those scenes, so I'm not sure to state really has a strong case here , I would hate to think he faces a life in prison or god forbid the death penalty if he's not really guilty.....
I think he knew, I think he went bc Angela told him if he wouldn’t go Billy would kill Jake too, so he went ! He should have picked up the phone and called police! I don’t think the state has put up any evidence to convict him, it all about Angela and Jake. They only have Angela and Jakes testimony and those two stories didn’t match up either. I doubt the truth will ever come out. This jury will convict him.Had this trial taken place in a big city, he would be found not guilty for lack of evidence. The state did a terrible job,the prosecutor is pretty bad. Most prosecutors would love to have this opportunity to cross the defendant, and she is asking questions about his marriage!
George wants you to think he wasn't a part of any of the terrible, illegal things the family has done, but we all know everything they did was done as a family and he agreed to everything. He could have not gone along with these bad things but he chose not to. He is an adult, act like one
Where is the evidence against George? She has not proven beyond a shadow of doubt of guilty! I know he went with them, planned with them, and help cover up, but they really have nothing except Angela and Jake’s testimony’s. She asking him questions about stuff that really don’t matter!!!
I know, right? It feels like she’s getting evidence to charge him with all the crimes he’s admitting to on the stand so they can charge him later if he’s found guilty.
He only looks at his attorney has this smirk on his face...looks down alot..he acts like he did nothing wrong i cant see him getting off free...doesnt matter if he didnt pull the trigger he was apart of it...hes just as guilty.
Been watching this trial for weeks. Still trying to figure out what the evidence is that the State is going to show that proves George Wagner IV was there.
I'm sorry for the rhoden family. This is absolutely horrible but I will say I don't think George was involved as much as they are trying to make him out to be. Did he know... absolutely but I don't think he killed anyone. I see him more as a look out. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Didn't know about the murders til Jake confessed, give me a break. He has had four years to study this lying script, word for word that Nash wrote. But I guess that is what lawyers do.
She is building a picture of his character as an active + busy criminal, very involved with his family despite saying he wanted to leave. More than likely, a liar. No one is saying he shot anyone. He is an accomplice. He "doesn't recall" his own incriminating testimony. The point is to show that he was involved and a nasty human. He blames it on the caffeine....
They kept Hanna, Tabby and Beth and the kids prisoners. Now they are prisoners. Angela was obsessed with child abuse and molestation. Maybe she herself was doing that. She wanted the kids as property, hers own. Those small toddlers were nervous and damaged. They were not allowed to sleep in their own bed. Kidnapped to Alaska.. Sick !!!!
No wonder this family had money they were a bunch of thieves and crooks so murder is nothing to them they feel entitled this was such a horrible tragedy what they did to those innocent family for custody of a child who now has no parents
He forgot to tell about all the time he spent with prostitutes. Sure did get alot of criminal activity done. Brought his son along to teach him too ? Insane crazy people ! Child abuse and neglect. Weed growing all over the country side !!!!
Given the gravity of this case I can’t believe they couldn’t have put a better DA on for State. It was painful at points to watch and hear how many times the defence got their objections sustained.
George is a lier and because so many people who knew then said they were very close knit family, I can’t even believe he’s a father when he refers to his son as my kid over and over …….. he may not have pulled a trigger but he damn well knew and help with the planning and clean up, I hope the jury sees right thru him
@@Jan88755 I'm not saying he's innocent at all. But what I'm gathering In a way is though they are a close family, I feel like they kinda didn't give him the whole scoop of what exactly was going on. And in the mix of all the craziness he was there and put into it .. but I could be wrong.. lol I haven't heard anyone else's testimony 😅
I think he knew and was involved all along, mother brought shoes , he was in the car at Walmart when she did , ordered things with his credit card , Which I think since George is so smart he would have ask why is this charge on my statement, this whole family is crazy, George had all this time to figure out his lies and his attorney had stressed to him how important it is that he stay calm , because we heard him on those tapes and it wasn’t good
I just realized why he chose to testify publicly. So that word could get out to his father who’s also standing trial coming up. And no doubt George is hoping daddy will follow his testimony in certain circumstances
He didn’t care about his child knowing the mother , what an evil man. He’s stuck on Tabby had another man and he still can’t stand it because he wants to bury tabby HE IS ONE NADTY NASTY EVIL MAN
George claims that Tabby and her sisters never reported their molester, yet he allows his son to sleep with his physco mother every nite, knowing she was molested yet did nothing about it as well!!! ABSOULTY Outrageous ! All four deserve to get buried under the prison! Heartless monsters! 😢
Unfortunately, many women who were molested as minors think that by reporting their molester; Especially a close family member. ie a Brother, a father, a grandfather and yes in some cases a female perpetrator that by reporting them, they will cause a scandal. They will not only harm the criminal, but the family as a whole. When in fact the scandal has already happened. What they do not understand is that by allowing the criminal to escape justice and punishment... another man will. This man is their future HUSBAND! An Innocent Man. Moreover their future children will likewise pay dearly. And in the end the blame shall rest with themselves. Failed marriages. The great possibility of the criminal abusing their own future children. I was the man who was punished for becoming the husband in 2 marriages. A grown or adult female who is likewise sexually abused only as an adult do not experience these same crimes in the same manner or outcomes. I think it's because an adult female brain that had the ability to wire without sexual trauma as a preteen or early pubescent child. These are children. The adult female generally will not punish her husband because she most likely will confide in him. Especially when she is not lying in a codependent manner. Codependent lying works something like this. A girl or boy who has a parent who is an alcoholic. Ring. Ring. Ring. "Hello Suzy? Hi it's Rachel. I'm here with Christina, Sue Jones, Cindy and me wondering if we can hangout at your house?" "Ummm, my mom doesn't feel well." No. Her Mom is half naked, sprawled out on the couch hammered. Moreover, the house is a complete and utter pig sty. Her Dad just left beyond pissed off after having worked 3 consecutive 18 hour shifts due to his wife squandering money left and right at Bars. Suzy lies to her friends. She cannot possibly tell her friends the truth. So, as she grows up she uses these coping skills that don't work as an adult. Suzie will become a control freak. Because she had no control. No say growing up. In these type of situations one has to consider the participation of the other Parents. They failed these girls.
and also this prosecutor is terrible she is so snide and sarcastic unprofessional makes me feel like she needs that to prove her case since they all have circumstantial evidence on him
😂 he was obviously involved in DV, taking a child from his mother, AND the murder of 8 people and you criticize the woman for not being polite to him 😂😂😂 🤡🤡🤡
Compound questions from prosecutor and his lawyer didn't object. Objections Compound questions are not allowed because they can confuse the witness, the judge, and the jury. didn't hear objections from his attorney.
For those who think the prosecution is doing a poor job its up to the jury. I guarantee 💯 you are not in the court and that is what matters. They know what he did.
@@Tyler-ub2gq I disagree. She's interviewing a person who has engaged in various criminal activities. Quite likely, a liar. The legal tactic is to show discrepancies between prior testimony (at the border + on audiotapes), other participants' testimony (Jake, Angela), hard evidence, past criminal behavior patterns, and logic (what makes sense given habits).
Not sure why the defense is allowing the argumentative questions and just pure statements from the prosecution unless he thinks she is helping create doubt.
when you assume he's innocent you can let him be questioned any which way. Prosecutor didn't get him, all she had was "you're a nasty man, you lied on forms, sure rolleye I don't believe you." Oh-oh.
I have to say that the conviction in this case was simply the common sense of the jury. This prosecutor is ill equipped to do her job. Is this the best this state has? Her paper shuffling irrelevant questions went on for hours and it did nothing to to the detriment of the witness. He owned her.
This prosecutor is not very good to be handling one of the highest profile cases ever in this state. I have to say she laid zero glove on George, and I'm thinking he's going to be acquitted of the murder charges. I think Mom and Jake just threw him in this for spite and purposefully kept him out of it knowing he'd not go along with it and would be a liability.
My guess is that the jury will decide based on emotions. I read somewhere that the town’s people are conflicted so the jury pool will most likely reflect that.
But, the public is not privy to the majority of the evidence, since so many of the witnesses were not recorded, so how can you know whether the prosecution has proven its case or not?
I agree. This case is nothing more than an arrogant prosecutor. Acting like she does turns off jurors. It’s proven. If he is convicted it’s not based on the evidence.
Yeah. But I'd think I'd remember precisely the evening before the murders. The times etc. I still do for a death notice I got in the night 29 years ago. Still I thought him very good on the stand on the previous day, it gave me reasonable doubt. He's good in not filling things in and admitting he doesn't know how things happened, like not hearing people leaving the house that night.
I believe if he was involved they would have some kind of hard evidence, They have zero real evidence against him.I think he's the one in that family who had a good heart.Thats why they didn't involve him because they knew he would stop it.
I think you're right. He grew up in a skewed world but he tried to navigate it not-cruelly all his life. Loving a bi-polar woman. He's not a saint, no way, but he's not a murderer. The disgust on his face the previous day about killing Hannah and his friend and the idea his family did it was real. At least I think so, after watching The Behavior Panel a lot.
Would you be angry if someone accused you of mass murder? If he stayed emotionless when questioned, like his psychopath brother, many would probably say he was cold like stone.
amazing that he didn't fly off the handle. It's his way, told by the recordings. He must have learned a mindfulness trick over the last couple of years. It was amazing to see, that he managed to do that hours and hours. I would have like to heard about the two events he remembers, Hannah leaving and his mom getting a gun an throwing wood.
When you get arrested you are told you don't have to say anything but this is another example of where the prosecutors are happy to do deals with killer's to make sure the man who users his rights will do the most time. The whole family should have done what George has, they would never have been found guilty with this stupid prosecutor.
This isn’t a child custody hearing. Why is she asking these stupid questions.! She shouldn’t be allowed to harass him. What about his rights. Until he is proven guilty!! I don’t like this woman.
This Trial is not about Tabby, why is this Prosecutor continuing on and on about Tabby. This Trial is about these Victims being killed. This is a Terrible Prosecutor.
He acts like someone who's been highly tormented his whole life and reached his breaking point. I am thinking his mom wrecked that entire family from very early on. As far as whether he's truly innocent or not I dunno. Much of the time I feel like he's being honest at least.
When they do sidebar with judge that prosecutor is speaking plenty loud for George to hear what she’s saying & come up with some answer that minimizes his threats towards law enforcement Angela. Do you not know this is a defense tactic that is engineered to give George time to think up some nebulous reason to make his threats seem harmless? Ugh. Also she attempts to get away with things she should know the defense will object to & judge will likely need to sustain- creating a record the state is the one looking sneaky & NOT the defense! Imo George Wagner is guilty of conspiracy to murder and whether or not he shot anyone is totally irrelevant. So why does the state help the defense over & over? Ugh 😑
It's interesting watching him get upset and realize his face is frowning and then watch him grit his teeth and try to look down and relax his face while he lies!! 🤦🏽♀️
When I started watching this reckless trial and George had his son so much in mind, I knew that murder would not be in his menu of crimes. Why? He does not like Jake style, he got along better with his uncle than his brother., And of all his crimes, marijuana was not one of them, that is Billy's business, who I think would be the second man reason to be there. Jake is an insecure jealous young man for hot Hannah. So, who could the shooter be???????????
yeah. He shows us his world and in that it's well believable that he didn't participate. I'm so surprised! I do think they'll get him on the 3 federal crimes of false documentation on the gun forms he admitted to.
I’m watching this case now that I know how it ended….this lady prosecutor is. A-W-F-U-L! Getting that guilty verdict had nothin to do with what she did AT ALL.
George is doing a good job on the stand. He is well able to answer her. I think he may be in with a shot of being found not guilty. Evidence here is zilch.
Nope George is a good lier , he thinks he smarter than everyone, not the same guy on the tapes , I’m sure deep down he’s screaming inside at the prosecutor, he not this mild mannered, especially the way he treated Tabby, because of their mother neither he nor Jake had a good opinion of women, worried about their kids being molested but he and Jake were sleeping with girls as young as 13 , they were the molesters
He was so worried about something happened to his son but he was sleeping in the bed with Tabby when she was 13 yrs old , and Jake with Hanna , they were doing the same thing they say they were afraid would happen to their children….. ridiculous the mine set of this family
Your correct of course yet here I believe it’s likely George was acknowledging the bad decisions of his “parents” ( term used loosely).
He’s attempting to paint himself as a more responsible “parent.”
None of these people should parent a child.
Based on what I’ve listened so far in this trial; this family was trashy and you can tell it started generations prior to him. They were dishonest people and had no moral values. I remember the pastor that grew up with them and this pastor’s father was a pastor too. If he knew how deceitful this family was. They moved to Alaska they started attending his church and I remember him saying that their mother was a control freak and even George’s uncle the youngest brother of his mother. He said he was bully by Angela but he would stood up to her. The pastor said that Jake wasn’t as spiritual as his brother George. I still think the whole family was involved with the murders. I have mixed feelings if George got dragged into this after they committed the crime. Let’s see I don’t trust anyone of them and the mother was the planner.
She was like 11 he was 13
They were both kids, parents shouldn't have allowed it.
Yep. So scared of molestation...
The way he smirks after answering the prosecutors questions is infuriating! I’m so pleased he got found guilty on all counts. I hope he has an awful time being locked up in prison for the rest of his life! Here’s hoping that he is served jailhouse justice from other inmates!!!
I have yet to hear ANY proof that he did anything regarding the murders.
His own brother and mother confessed he was there? His footprints were there. Their word and a footprint versus his testimony. He testified to breaking the law in the past (fraud) so why believe him now? His word is meaningless.
WORD ! Andddd if that psychopath mom only got 30 yrs for being the MANIPULATIVE MASTERMIND Just to attain that child for HERSELF…. Then dammmm - Georgy shudnt get more than 10! Gimme dam break!
Jake confessed and told the story of what happened that night. But he cared about his family enough to try and get the death penalty taken off the table for the rest of his family. Given that, why would he lie about George's involvement? What is in it for Jake? George could be the one left free to look after the kids. He could raise those kids up to be amazing thieves and criminals!
Jake confessed to save his own life. He lacks credibility. The state's case depends on the testimony of a confessed murderer.
If Jake and his mom testified against George that would take the death penalty off the table, and if George is found Guilty he will get the death penalty. Jake and his mom both are testifying against George and the Father who plead not Guilty.
He is so condescending an that look on his face tells me he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room , that scowl , he’s trying to be patient but is failing ..
Lots of audio hours of George screaming + threatening but he is oh-so-soft-spoken on the stand. Violent with Tabitha and kept her away from her son for years. This is not a good person. The family operated as a unit, one mind. His footprint is at the scene, no one accusing him of shooting but rather being an accomplice. Will be interesting to see what Daddy Billy has to say. He's also pretending he wasn't there shooting.
You can see George’s breathing start to increase and tell by his pursed lips when he’s getting pissed. Interested to see if he can hold that temper through this all.
If she genuinely feared him or his family, why did she go to the funeral with them?
@@girlfromsouth214dumb question
George talking about how bad his mother is, yet wanted to make sure she had the best attorney so that she could continue caring for the children if they were to get arrested
Then his excuse was that if anything happened to him then his mom can take care of his kid. He talks as if Tabitha was not willing and able to take care of his child.
As in, he's fine with that wicked a$$ woman to raise his child to have the same morals he has
One thing I will say for George is he is very well spoken, clear cut and comes off as genuine. He’s actually corrected the prosecutor a couple times and he’s cleared up a couple issues. I mean maybe he didn’t shoot any of these people. This is such a wild crime I go back and forth.
Remember FACTS OVER FEELINGS!
he knows the material very well because its HIS MATERIAL! HIS TRIAL!
@@throatpunch4789 maybe its just the truth
He is an adnitted criminal of many kinds: chop shop operator, poacher, fake car wrecks for insurance fraud, who knows what else - but you believe he never even accompanied Jake + Billy to the muders? He has been coached by attorneys for months, was violent with Tabitha, slept in his mother's bedroom at Peterson house -- this is an untrustworthy adult criminal living with his criminal family.
@@rosep8481 he already admitted to going with his brother and dad then burying the guns and clothes they used in the murders in Ohio law you don't have to pull the trigger to be charged you just have to be an active participant in the crime.
That is a super cute baby in your profile picture by the way. My son's 15 i miss when he was a baby like that.
@@exoticprairie if he's so truthful why didnt he he go with them and why didnt he ever tell ob them?
He's had years to get his story straight.
George Shore forgets a lot but he sure does remember other things
Do you mean hunting or fishing?
Sure
At times he acts dumb but he’s then thinks he’s smart by getting tabby’s reputation tarnished and her family tarnished .
George sure does have a good memory about guns but not much else huh
I love how she is using his own statements against him. And he is getting irritated because his meek act was trying to serve up to the jury isn't working. His temper is flaring. He is going to have a rough time in prison.
He can spend thousands of dollars buys lots of guys but can’t leave ..lol liar
He blames everything on caffeine and no sleep . He calls names to women he don’t like . He called a 4 yr old a bitch and blames it on irritability..what a great guy wow
You see clearly he has alot of anger inside trying not to let out.
I could be completely wrong and there are people out there who know George much better than I just listening to his testimony, however, listening to other people who knew him (outside his evil family) he does come across more redeemable than the rest.
When I first started watching his testimony I thought the same until I heard the wire taps and the rest of his testimony. He hates women and was complicit in the conspiracy of mass murder.
What don't this lady for prosecution understand when you been driving for 2 days with no sleep ,who knows how accurate anyone would remember what they told someone!
insurance fraud is a way of life for this family
I would love to know which fools insured these people.I can’t get a bloody payout when something has actually gone wrong !
lol
Enjoy life as an inmate. It’s more than the 8 victims got
Jake should have never been given any sort of plea bargain period! He was the shooter who shot and killed all 8 people, why is he not getting the death penalty?? That’s insane to me!! That deal should have been given to George, the non-shooter..this is just crazy to me
Hes not as smart as he thinks
Why should George take the fall for what Jake and Angela engineered!!! The State should have charged those two with first degree murder not offered them a deal. George should walk. "Not Guilty"
I can't believe I'm actually going to say this, but I believe I have to agree with you.
Don't be fooled. He's been coached for months to present as mild-mannered good ol' boy. This criminal family operated as a unit. No way that George would not know of (or be involved in) preparations for the murder setting up their own surveillance camera to know when best time to strike Rhodens. Angela bought Walmart shoes for George and Jake for the murders.
I agree too🤷🏼♀️the whole thing is tragic
I think the state made a big mistake , I think they all should have been charged with murder, interesting they would probably pointed the finger at each other instead George is pointing the finger at Mom and Jake and proclaiming his innocence, I think the state messed up
Because he was there and didn't report it
it seems like the family was a criminal enterprise
He is some actor. Loud violent, threatening voice to others like Tabby but on the stand he talks quiet as a mouse. We aren't stupid and neither are the jurors, once again deceit runs rampid in this family.
.. correction I think he's full of BS after listening to him saying he's a great hunter and had trail cameras and now he says he doesn't like trail cameras wow he just tripped himself up again
It’s strange and sad how smart criminals and murderers are. Just think if they apply all of that for good instead of evil
I hope they never get out of prison.
..OMG!!!! enjoy prison george... the I don't remember stuff is BS
I believe him. Too bad he got into this soup.
I'm 1:43:25 into this. I have not heard the Canepa lady ONE TIME say ANYTHING to George 'directly' about 'anyone' being murdered. It's actually...I wouldn't believe what I just said if someone else had told me that and I hadn't seen it myself. I had read that others would somewhat hint to that and I forgot all about that. If I had NO CLUE what this was about and there was no title to give me a hint, I would think someone wasn't that bright if they had told me that this fella was being accused of murdering an entire family tree. It's incredible hearing this lady asking such trivial questions to this guy and this is about MURDER. Wow, is all I can.
She is building up to the most crucial questions. You don’t start a cross with your most damning evidence. You build up to it.
AND and UMM Spits Snits & Spats never seen anything like it I keep asking myself what does this have to do with GW
Your comment makes absolutely zero sense.
Georgie boy is a pretty good liar. It seems like Canepa is getting super frustrated with it. Not sure how the jury will figure out what to do with this.
A good lier he may be but there's no proof, he may be guilty but there's been nothing so far to even put him at the scene or had knowledge before or after. whatever we think ( guilty ) theres nothing so far, the prosecution has a weak case so far, its pretty dissapointing.
What is he lying about?
@@Melmelba Nothing so far from what i can see, he seems to me to be open and has a reply for everything. i believe we we were too quick to judge him. The general concensus is guilty but im not seeing it so far i was being feseciouse earlier with guilty. He cant be convicted on gossip and what people want all he has to say is i dont know , i wasnt there or i dont remember. Theres no evidence shown so far that can convict in my opinion.
@@daisychain3136 Exactly Daisy! I followed this from the morning it went and listened to the law enforcement traffic for maybe a week after it. I'll just say, a LOT of the info they have stated as FACTS - - is NOT what I was hearing over the airwaves. I have a sneaking suspicion the entire story will never see the light of day ie; Reader already biting the dust 'should' be just the first head to roll, but shouldn't be the last. Something stinks in Piketon IMO.
She's mad because he won't answer the questions the way she wants him to answer them
I just can’t get past the name Bovine…
I believe it's Bulvine
got "cattle" on the brain !
So that hopeless ummm prosecutor has questioned George for hours,,, and proved what exactly….. nothing 🤦♀️🤦♀️
NG imo
That county usually doesnt require a hard nosed prosecutor. Very few felony cases even go to trial every year.
It’s hard o cross examine a professional lier
I agrer with you Anne. I left a post here at the top almost saying exactly what you said. Actually, I find her questioning (at least to this point) bewildering of a prosecutor. If she keeps this type of questioning going on, I believe George is going to walk. I've never heard anything like this before and I don't understand why no one has said anything to her.
@@MrPocketfullOfSteel and its been pretty much the same since opening statement
@@neataylor9711 slow and mythological. Not lost on the jury
I can’t believe I am saying this, but George is sounding truthful to me.
😂 uh no
He sounds HORRENDOUS
I believe justice was served with Jake, I also believe justice was served with George and have a hard time seeing where some say they think he is telling the truth. I believe Angela should have also been charged with the murders. She should have received the same punishment Jake and George recieved. I think she was the master mind behind the entire tragedy. If you listen and watch and pay attention to what George says he gets caught in so many lies. I also believe that if Billy and Angela's parents knew and did nothing they should receive some kind of punishment. Especially Angela's mother who notorized the forged documents and then lie about it. They have talked about theft, lies, deception, arson, drugs. It truly is sickening to think of people who lead a life of crime as the Wagner's have for so many years. And now murder! And apparently Jake believes in god and is suppose to be a religious person. I could be wrong but I don't believe god will turn the other cheek for 8 murders. And I hope justice prevails in May when Billy goes to trial.
Honestly I feel bad for this guy but he is guilty as sin.
He had no chance they raised him up to do their dirty work. So sad for everyone involved.
You feel bad for him?! Wtf. Smh.
@@lisachristine2098Yes I agree
George is obviously socially awkward and stumbles with verbage but nothing about his answers seems untruthful, infact he's forthcoming to a fault almost , and there's nothing other than association to put him at any of those scenes, so I'm not sure to state really has a strong case here , I would hate to think he faces a life in prison or god forbid the death penalty if he's not really guilty.....
I feel the same
I think he knew, I think he went bc Angela told him if he wouldn’t go Billy would kill Jake too, so he went ! He should have picked up the phone and called police! I don’t think the state has put up any evidence to convict him, it all about Angela and Jake. They only have Angela and Jakes testimony and those two stories didn’t match up either. I doubt the truth will ever come out. This jury will convict him.Had this trial taken place in a big city, he would be found not guilty for lack of evidence. The state did a terrible job,the prosecutor is pretty bad. Most prosecutors would love to have this opportunity to cross the defendant, and she is asking questions about his marriage!
Everyone saying that he might not have been in on it didn't listen to the recordings
I totally agree with you I have seen people get away with murder with more evidence against them
Why? Are you missing the um, am, and plus and, and and?
George wants you to think he wasn't a part of any of the terrible, illegal things the family has done, but we all know everything they did was done as a family and he agreed to everything. He could have not gone along with these bad things but he chose not to. He is an adult, act like one
She is absolutely dizzy for a state prosecutor she is getting herself confused
Where is the evidence against George? She has not proven beyond a shadow of doubt of guilty! I know he went with them, planned with them, and help cover up, but they really have nothing except Angela and Jake’s testimony’s. She asking him questions about stuff that really don’t matter!!!
Just a chi-chat. Enjoy!!! 🐱
Just wait for it!!!😉
I know, right? It feels like she’s getting evidence to charge him with all the crimes he’s admitting to on the stand so they can charge him later if he’s found guilty.
@@whitebird803 🎯🎯🎯
Just like his lawyers did ask him a bunch of questions to make him look like a saint . If you can’t see through him then you are blind
He only looks at his attorney has this smirk on his face...looks down alot..he acts like he did nothing wrong i cant see him getting off free...doesnt matter if he didnt pull the trigger he was apart of it...hes just as guilty.
Who else can he leave the child to? The child has a mother who birthed him
Why can't he hold his head up?! Trying to look at meek and quiet and soft spoken. But he sure wasn't soft spoken in any of those wiretaps!
Been watching this trial for weeks. Still trying to figure out what the evidence is that the State is going to show that proves George Wagner IV was there.
I'm sorry for the rhoden family. This is absolutely horrible but I will say I don't think George was involved as much as they are trying to make him out to be. Did he know... absolutely but I don't think he killed anyone. I see him more as a look out. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
He says he did nothing. But really he knew what was going to happen and he did nothing to prevent it. So yeah, he did nothing. He’s still culpable.
This needs to be a book and a movie
No Hollyweird always gets it wrong
Can you imagine how painful that would be for the Rodhen ?
The podcast is riveting. I feel terrible for the Rhoden’s.
I will read that book
So Beth knocked Sofia down to get to Jake first , this is a sick man
And nobody did anything at that moment??? Lie!
Bovine.??? Why in the inbred would anyone do that to their kid after the oh let's just say the late 1890s
Didn't know about the murders til Jake confessed, give me a break. He has had four years to study this lying script, word for word that Nash wrote. But I guess that is what lawyers do.
2:23:16 - - STILL .... not one question about even one life being taken? Incredible.
She is building a picture of his character as an active + busy criminal, very involved with his family despite saying he wanted to leave. More than likely, a liar. No one is saying he shot anyone. He is an accomplice. He "doesn't recall" his own incriminating testimony. The point is to show that he was involved and a nasty human. He blames it on the caffeine....
@@Tipperary757 he’s a liar but the guy who actually pulled the trigger told the truth?
I can’t wait for the guilty verdict
They kept Hanna, Tabby and Beth and the kids prisoners. Now they are prisoners. Angela was obsessed with child abuse and molestation. Maybe she herself was doing that. She wanted the kids as property, hers own. Those small toddlers were nervous and damaged. They were not allowed to sleep in their own bed. Kidnapped to Alaska.. Sick !!!!
We heard you , he can’t say it enough who tabby slept with and how she cheated ..he says it over and over and over and over
No wonder this family had money they were a bunch of thieves and crooks so murder is nothing to them they feel entitled this was such a horrible tragedy what they did to those innocent family for custody of a child who now has no parents
He new and did nothing about it.... Guilty he is ...
He forgot to tell about all the time he spent with prostitutes. Sure did get alot of criminal activity done. Brought his son along to teach him too ? Insane crazy people ! Child abuse and neglect. Weed growing all over the country side !!!!
This is one fucked up story.
Given the gravity of this case I can’t believe they couldn’t have put a better DA on for State. It was painful at points to watch and hear how many times the defence got their objections sustained.
Idk why but I kinda believe SOME of what hes saying 🤔
George is a lier and because so many people who knew then said they were very close knit family, I can’t even believe he’s a father when he refers to his son as my kid over and over …….. he may not have pulled a trigger but he damn well knew and help with the planning and clean up, I hope the jury sees right thru him
@@Jan88755 I'm not saying he's innocent at all. But what I'm gathering In a way is though they are a close family, I feel like they kinda didn't give him the whole scoop of what exactly was going on. And in the mix of all the craziness he was there and put into it .. but I could be wrong.. lol I haven't heard anyone else's testimony 😅
I think he knew and was involved all along, mother brought shoes , he was in the car at Walmart when she did , ordered things with his credit card , Which I think since George is so smart he would have ask why is this charge on my statement, this whole family is crazy, George had all this time to figure out his lies and his attorney had stressed to him how important it is that he stay calm , because we heard him on those tapes and it wasn’t good
@@Jan88755 okay, ill have to try and find it. I havent been able to hear everything being at work.
I just realized why he chose to testify publicly. So that word could get out to his father who’s also standing trial coming up. And no doubt George is hoping daddy will follow his testimony in certain circumstances
..wow, George just lied again..!!!!
george looks down when he lies
It’s the parents who raised them
What a chameleon! Every recording he's raging and screaming. On the stand he's all mild mannered.
crazy like his mother who is severly deranged!
He didn’t care about his child knowing the mother , what an evil man. He’s stuck on Tabby had another man and he still can’t stand it because he wants to bury tabby HE IS ONE NADTY NASTY EVIL MAN
yeah. But maybe not a murderer? I've come to reasonable doubt for George.
George claims that Tabby and her sisters never reported their molester, yet he allows his son to sleep with his physco mother every nite, knowing she was molested yet did nothing about it as well!!! ABSOULTY Outrageous ! All four deserve to get buried under the prison! Heartless monsters! 😢
Unfortunately, many women who were molested as minors think that by reporting their molester; Especially a close family member. ie a Brother, a father, a grandfather and yes in some cases a female perpetrator that by reporting them, they will cause a scandal. They will not only harm the criminal, but the family as a whole. When in fact the scandal has already happened. What they do not understand is that by allowing the criminal to escape justice and punishment... another man will. This man is their future HUSBAND! An Innocent Man. Moreover their future children will likewise pay dearly. And in the end the blame shall rest with themselves. Failed marriages. The great possibility of the criminal abusing their own future children. I was the man who was punished for becoming the husband in 2 marriages. A grown or adult female who is likewise sexually abused only as an adult do not experience these same crimes in the same manner or outcomes. I think it's because an adult female brain that had the ability to wire without sexual trauma as a preteen or early pubescent child. These are children. The adult female generally will not punish her husband because she most likely will confide in him. Especially when she is not lying in a codependent manner. Codependent lying works something like this. A girl or boy who has a parent who is an alcoholic. Ring. Ring. Ring. "Hello Suzy? Hi it's Rachel. I'm here with Christina, Sue Jones, Cindy and me wondering if we can hangout at your house?" "Ummm, my mom doesn't feel well." No. Her Mom is half naked, sprawled out on the couch hammered. Moreover, the house is a complete and utter pig sty. Her Dad just left beyond pissed off after having worked 3 consecutive 18 hour shifts due to his wife squandering money left and right at Bars. Suzy lies to her friends. She cannot possibly tell her friends the truth. So, as she grows up she uses these coping skills that don't work as an adult. Suzie will become a control freak. Because she had no control. No say growing up. In these type of situations one has to consider the participation of the other Parents. They failed these girls.
This lady is a horrible prosecutor. So glad they got the conviction despite her prosecution.
and also this prosecutor is terrible she is so snide and sarcastic unprofessional makes me feel like she needs that to prove her case since they all have circumstantial evidence on him
😂 he was obviously involved in DV, taking a child from his mother, AND the murder of 8 people and you criticize the woman for not being polite to him 😂😂😂 🤡🤡🤡
George is about as innocent as Steven Avery.
Compound questions from prosecutor and his lawyer didn't object. Objections Compound questions are not allowed because they can confuse the witness, the judge, and the jury. didn't hear objections from his attorney.
Another youtube lawyer
If he loves deer that much I’m surprised he didn’t call his son Bambi 😳🫣
yeah instead of naming him a ridiculous name Bovine (cow!)
Vinny-son
For those who think the prosecution is doing a poor job its up to the jury. I guarantee 💯 you are not in the court and that is what matters. They know what he did.
The prosecution is doing a terrible job.
@@Tyler-ub2gq I disagree. She's interviewing a person who has engaged in various criminal activities. Quite likely, a liar. The legal tactic is to show discrepancies between prior testimony (at the border + on audiotapes), other participants' testimony (Jake, Angela), hard evidence, past criminal behavior patterns, and logic (what makes sense given habits).
@@Tipperary757 That’s your opinion. Prosecution has failed miserably.
This may not be the best prosecutor, but I think people are basing that on whether they are entertained. This is trial not a tv show to amuse people.
George really doesn't like a woman questioning him. And who in the world names their child " Bovine"?
Slow moving or dull witted human OR can be related to cattle tissue…def not a name you’d give a child 😂😂😂
probably didnt even know that Bovine was cattle.... could have gotten the name of a milk carton!
It’s Bulvine lol
@@kristenbradley6958 wow you’re right. It’s gotta be an iterative of ‘bovine’ tho, no?
George Is mopping the floor with that prosecuter!
I love IT!!! 🤩
Oh wait. He's going down
@@awaitscallsadomasochism8523 lol how’d ya like that verdict
I really believe George wasn't in on these murders.
That’s incredibly naive.
“I don’t cave and I don’t crumble. The only reason y’all got caught is someone caved. I ain’t gonna cave.”
-George Wagner
5:43:00---FIRST I've heard her mention 8 people being murdered. Wow!
No one is safe with all those guns around and daily temper tantrums
Not sure why the defense is allowing the argumentative questions and just pure statements from the prosecution unless he thinks she is helping create doubt.
when you assume he's innocent you can let him be questioned any which way. Prosecutor didn't get him, all she had was "you're a nasty man, you lied on forms, sure rolleye I don't believe you." Oh-oh.
I have to say that the conviction in this case was simply the common sense of the jury. This prosecutor is ill equipped to do her job. Is this the best this state has? Her paper shuffling irrelevant questions went on for hours and it did nothing to to the detriment of the witness. He owned her.
This prosecutor is not very good to be handling one of the highest profile cases ever in this state. I have to say she laid zero glove on George, and I'm thinking he's going to be acquitted of the murder charges. I think Mom and Jake just threw him in this for spite and purposefully kept him out of it knowing he'd not go along with it and would be a liability.
My guess is that the jury will decide based on emotions. I read somewhere that the town’s people are conflicted so the jury pool will most likely reflect that.
But, the public is not privy to the majority of the evidence, since so many of the witnesses were not recorded, so how can you know whether the prosecution has proven its case or not?
@therealz 360z he was never there, or very rarely
I agree. This case is nothing more than an arrogant prosecutor. Acting like she does turns off jurors. It’s proven. If he is convicted it’s not based on the evidence.
@therealz360z7that’s not how the law works.
I can’t blame him for forgetting things, I wouldn’t remember every detail of these conversations from 4+ years ago either.
He remembered when his attorneys were questioning him. He kinda lost memory on cross.
Very convenient memory gaps/holes, he didn’t have that problem with his attorneys 🤔 Isn’t that right?
Yeah. But I'd think I'd remember precisely the evening before the murders. The times etc. I still do for a death notice I got in the night 29 years ago. Still I thought him very good on the stand on the previous day, it gave me reasonable doubt. He's good in not filling things in and admitting he doesn't know how things happened, like not hearing people leaving the house that night.
Ya this Angela's voice gets annoying
I believe if he was involved they would have some kind of hard evidence, They have zero real evidence against him.I think he's the one in that family who had a good heart.Thats why they didn't involve him because they knew he would stop it.
You got to be kidding me. Nobody in this family has a heart.
I think you're right. He grew up in a skewed world but he tried to navigate it not-cruelly all his life. Loving a bi-polar woman. He's not a saint, no way, but he's not a murderer. The disgust on his face the previous day about killing Hannah and his friend and the idea his family did it was real. At least I think so, after watching The Behavior Panel a lot.
You can tell by George’s factual expressions he’s getting a little angry
Would you be angry if someone accused you of mass murder? If he stayed emotionless when questioned, like his psychopath brother, many would probably say he was cold like stone.
amazing that he didn't fly off the handle. It's his way, told by the recordings. He must have learned a mindfulness trick over the last couple of years. It was amazing to see, that he managed to do that hours and hours. I would have like to heard about the two events he remembers, Hannah leaving and his mom getting a gun an throwing wood.
They killed everyone so
That no one kinwise was able to get custody of Sofia
When you get arrested you are told you don't have to say anything but this is another example of where the prosecutors are happy to do deals with killer's to make sure the man who users his rights will do the most time.
The whole family should have done what George has, they would never have been found guilty with this stupid prosecutor.
So did these men target victims of DV as girlfriends ? Strange that they both had victimized wives
This isn’t a child custody hearing. Why is she asking these stupid questions.! She shouldn’t be allowed to harass him. What about his rights. Until he is proven guilty!! I don’t like this woman.
Obviously You must have missed the last 40 days and have no idea what the case is about.
Tearing down his credibility.
Believe me, his rights have not been violated. Prosecution would never want mistrial. Educate yourself
She's interrogating him. That's her job.
But of bullying going on in her tone, very unprofessional in her questioning. George would make a better lawyer than her😬
This Trial is not about Tabby, why is this Prosecutor continuing on and on about Tabby. This Trial is about these Victims being killed. This is a Terrible Prosecutor.
He acts like someone who's been highly tormented his whole life and reached his breaking point. I am thinking his mom wrecked that entire family from very early on.
As far as whether he's truly innocent or not I dunno. Much of the time I feel like he's being honest at least.
When they do sidebar with judge that prosecutor is speaking plenty loud for George to hear what she’s saying & come up with some answer that minimizes his threats towards law enforcement
Angela. Do you not know this is a defense tactic that is engineered to give George time to think up some nebulous reason to make his threats seem harmless? Ugh.
Also she attempts to get away with things she should know the defense will object to & judge will likely need to sustain- creating a record the state is the one looking sneaky & NOT the defense!
Imo George Wagner is guilty of conspiracy to murder and whether or not he shot anyone is totally irrelevant.
So why does the state help the defense over & over?
Ugh 😑
It's interesting watching him get upset and realize his face is frowning and then watch him grit his teeth and try to look down and relax his face while he lies!! 🤦🏽♀️
When I started watching this reckless trial and George had his son so much in mind, I knew that murder would not be in his menu of crimes. Why? He does not like Jake style, he got along better with his uncle than his brother., And of all his crimes, marijuana was not one of them, that is Billy's business, who I think would be the second man reason to be there. Jake is an insecure jealous young man for hot Hannah. So, who could the shooter be???????????
yeah. He shows us his world and in that it's well believable that he didn't participate. I'm so surprised! I do think they'll get him on the 3 federal crimes of false documentation on the gun forms he admitted to.
Hm if George is found not guilty.I think he would find being out is probably less safe then being in Jail.
He wont be seeing his son now or ever more , so how does he feel about that ? His own doing and fault. His son needs therapy
Canepa is kicking his butt
🤣
Ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok----
What movie are you watching?
She’s doing amazing!
Am I hearing correctly - his son’s name is Bovine? Like a cow?
Bulvine like WTAF
mooooo
I’m watching this case now that I know how it ended….this lady prosecutor is. A-W-F-U-L! Getting that guilty verdict had nothin to do with what she did AT ALL.
She literally broke me nuts. And can you tell us?!?!
Another youtube lawyer..she did an awesome job
She did that to show what a lieing person he is
I agree! I can’t stand her! The way she says And before everything really grinds my gears…it’s like nails on a chalkboard
Such a messed up family. Don't see Angela being a loving mum
George is doing a good job on the stand. He is well able to answer her. I think he may be in with a shot of being found not guilty. Evidence here is zilch.
Nope George is a good lier , he thinks he smarter than everyone, not the same guy on the tapes , I’m sure deep down he’s screaming inside at the prosecutor, he not this mild mannered, especially the way he treated Tabby, because of their mother neither he nor Jake had a good opinion of women, worried about their kids being molested but he and Jake were sleeping with girls as young as 13 , they were the molesters
NO surprise for George, he knows!
We are not seeing all the evidence. The jury is however and they found him guilty.
Lol she just sounds angry she can't get him to answer her questions the way she wants him to
Well, she's the voice of eight people murdered in their sleep. Let's hope she takes it personally.
Why go in the middle of the night? He can remember certain things but claims he is dumb and just signs anything …
He's a terrible Liar