IT WENT HORRIBLY WRONG...
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2022
- It today's video it was all going so well... until it wasn't. Lessons were learnt but the main thing is no one was hurt.
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One of the reasons why I love this channel is your transparency with mistakes and honesty with tackling them and taking ownership of them. So many people today don’t take ownership of their mistakes let alone show that they could make them. I appreciate that you have the strength of character to show us your mistakes so that we can learn and hopefully not make the same. Hope you’ve had a better week be welll be you
What they said.
Now if only he could stop with the dramatic thumbnails ... Love the channel. Great progress on the farm in recent years keep improving its what makes man great
I agree! He has INTEGRITY!
Don't stress it Tom, every day is a learning day. When you get it sorted it won't happen you again.
Loving the construction farming videos 👍🏼
Tom, you live and learn. The good thing is this is fixable and would have been horrible if the shed had been finished and then the cracking started. Once this is sorted out, you’ll be better for it. Take care, work carefully.
Makes you wonder if the same won't happen off the back when you start digging the muck heap off the back panels?
I'd be tempted to weld a metal strap between uprights so that all of them are connected at the top to share the load. Even if its just a stick of rebar its going to help share the load between the posts.
Good thinking 😊
or bed in and weld supports at a 45⁰ angle to assist to back steels
And to complete the balls up, Tom could hang washing lines up the the uprights, so his dad can hang his large pants to dry on wash day 🤷🏻♂️
You can also wet the ground before you start placing concrete that way it’s not sucking moisture out of the concrete you are placing, the longer you can hold the water in the concrete the stronger the concrete will be at the end of curing, full strength 28 days. You can also use a bit of insulation board or ply under you on your knees to creep out on to your concrete to finish off around the drain with a hand float.
I was wondering why you didn’t put rebar in when it was being poured. Especially as the concrete was pretty thin. I wish you had as that would have given it some reinforcement. I’m sure you will fix it well though.
I hope the concrete base lasts. Are you going to put a roof over it? Was thinking a roof might act as a sail and move around in high winds a little, causing the metal beams to move or shake. That would make even more cracks.
I love watching these types of videos. It’s cool watching the farm transform.
When you put the second slab in before the other bottom one, I said out loud it’s going to crack, you live and learn, since the I-beam is 3ft deep in concrete I wouldn’t worry too muck about it, grind out the crack and fill with a slurry cement mix.
Looking forward to your next video. This set back will be fixed and you will have moved on. Good idea to cut that bent piece out of the way. You have pulled off a huge improvement in the farm, you are bound to have some issues along the way. Appreciate you showing problems and how you dealt with them and being transparent. Just water under the bridge.
Bugger. You can get a product that is a polymer base concrete injection that will bind the broken out sections together it sets at something like 90mpa which will make it harder than the surrounding concrete you mix it up to a thin pourable render form up the sides at the cracks and flood the area and let it run into the cracks. Leave it 24 hrs and then grind the surface flat. BASF is one of the manufacturers of the product we use along with Fosroc Conbexa. I'm in civil construction mainly bridge building. That can be fixed without redoing it.
Tom. You live and you learn. don't beat yourself up sir. You are doing the best you can while juggling everything. Mistakes will happen. Its about learning from each one and not repeating (i still have to learn on that one!). Love the videos and fingers crossed the rest of the project is plain sailing:) will.
Unfortunately Tom, this is a prime example of no mesh and no vibro/pokering leaving no tensile strength and weak air voids. Same with forklift stabilisers, you are creating a higher psi on the concrete putting a narrow strip of wood down. Either use the pads or a wider piece of wood. If you cast anymore concrete around steel columns, put a piece of 10-20mm foam or insulation around the column to full depth of slab. Allows for some stress to be exerted with out directly acting on your concrete, also prevent expansion/contraction cracks during season temp variations
Would have used fibre concrete mix with mesh.Quite a few RMC's like Hanson now offer 'FarmYard' concrete, a high strength mix,with other benefits.
Didn't they use mesh in the concrete right next to this batch? It will be interesting to see how the two compared over a long period of time
@@GotAnUmbrella Yes the first bay seemed to have it, that is why i cpuldnt understand them stopping using it. Like you say, be an interesting comparison
Hi Tom. Biggest issue is the depth of the steel. For a post with outward pressure the depth is the most important thing if you aren’t using an engineered solution. Not a massive issue just redo it. All that’s lost is a bit of time and pride. All the best
Ps love the videos and keep being enthusiastic. Nothing wrong with the odd small set back.
The beautiful thing you said right at the end of the vid “hopefully some one will learn from this” that shows the depth of character you have, never just about you but what you can do for others. Top man👍
Loving the fact you arent afraid to show your inpatience😂 Id definitely be looking at flat bar cross bracing in the corner (both directions) and tying the tops of the steels together somehow. You dont want to be getting the muck out and the machine breaking the corner off again,
If the steel is deep enough in the ground, just leave the concrete cracked... In fact, leave it anyway. If nessecary just anchor the corner post to the other posts with some strips or bars.
If it was me ad just pour a a bit extra round that corner and slap the rest of the panels in
Thing is with mistakes, is not to make the same one again. We've all been there.
Glad to see someone is protecting the grey matter, as your hat said the other day, Think safety!
Tom I understand you are the first to take responsibility for things that go wrong but sometimes things happen that can't be forseen and it's so annoying but like you said it's a lesson learned in many ways.
My favourite funny part of today's video was cleaning the wellies with the cows drinking water, I bet when you fitted them you never thought they would double up as welly washers 🤣.
Love your videos x
Always remember the man that makes no mistakes never made anything great work going on around your yard
Little tip. Give the road forms a tap on the top before you lift them, helps to break the seal with the concrete. Works on wood shutters anyways. 👍
Knock the dent out of the upright to get the panel in and then make up a cement slurry with sand and pour that in to the crack that will seal it. Also put the bottom panels in first on the bays before you put the second panel on top as that will help strengthen the bays.
Will this work? Would it not be weak?
@@TomPembertonFarmLife if that post is in 3 ft of concrete its going no where ,just fill that crack with a bit of sand and cement as the fella above said and it'll be grand ,just don't record it on video
@@TomPembertonFarmLife consult your engineers and see what they say. we all have ideas on how to cut costs but at the end of the day, you're going to be using the field. so it's what you're comfortable to live with.
@@TomPembertonFarmLife grinder out cut a nice groove into the crack use the sealant you are using between the panels to seal it then put the panels in once they are all in place get some angle iron and weld in a couple of braces from the top of the corner post to the bottom of the next posts
probably a lot easier than digging out all that concrete!!
@@TomPembertonFarmLife Agree with the other 2. Fill crack, put panels down and she'll be fine. If you want support it by welding brace beam between the center post and corner or dig 2 holes on the outside of cement, drop beams in and fill holes with cement and weld brace beams from post to corner. Wont look pretty but will beef up the corner to the point never moving.
Another awesome video Tom, and take pride in what you and your team achieved ! Many wouldn’t attempt that pad or the panels!
Your human and sharing your mistakes is rare on UA-cam so just think of how many people will learn and grow with you!
An afterthought - You probably could have straightened out that twist in the H girder with a car jack a hammer and a block of wood. A little heat from a welding torch would have made the job easier. But I see you found a solution by cutting out the bad section just bear in mind when you go to drop in the slab you'll need to guide it past that cut out.
When the penny pinching starts pinching your pennies it is time for a rethink, love your videos and feel your pain on this one.
Slow down Tom your pushing to hard take a breather it happens . Don’t beat yourself up,grow from it
Thanks Bruce, just end up going 100 mph 🤦♂️
@@TomPembertonFarmLife try bringing it down to at least 80 ;) and remember that you did A LOT already.
When doing anything like that i always put a loop of rebar or any old steel bar round the post and into the concrete pad for about 4 foot. This makes for a really strong tie in. You potentially have the same problem down the side when piled up with muck and pushing with the loader. As a friend of mine used to say “you pay to learn” sorry
Love your videos.
May have been said but might have been a good idea to make the pad around each post larger as I'm not sure if for silage stack or what you clean out of your shed floors, will be a lot of load on posts if stacked up high.
Parents have dairy farm back in NZ so know that we try to do things cheap but have learned it never works all the time.
These are the things you will learn from. Its called experience. Well its annoying but you can fix it ,. No one got hurt . Could be worse if the panel fell of the crane or something like that. So dont worry too much. By the way could you make a video about the highlands? How many are they at the moment , who is who and who is mum and daughter/son? I somehow lost count...😊
Love your videos Tom so down to earth.You and Olly. Thanks for great video,bought back my concreting days on the farm.🤠🇦🇺
nothing to worry about, fit the slab, and then put a brace across to each post either way on the corner , cheaper and quicker than re doing the slab work and will keep you on track, it wont go anywhere braced like that once all in, just add some gash spare concrete around that corner ,just to bulk it out,bound to have some left over from the other pours,
Hi Tom your ready mix for the midden has it got SR in it which is sulfate resistant cement. It helps the concrete from being attacked from acids in the muck. Just a thought, you did OK laying that 8m3, tamped out. Your doing OK we all make mistakes them the don't make mistakes don't make anything. Take care.
Those vertical steel posts need connecting together with some steel work above the panels to hold it all together just like the silage clamps United we stand decided we fall once the modern is full of a few hundred tons of. Muck there will be a lot of sideways force against the walls as well as tractor with bucket. Pushing against it when loading spreader
Tom don’t be too hard on yersel hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20 bud.
It’s not as if this is your chosen trade and all you do all day is sink H Beams into concrete to create walls for storage.
You are a farmer who has a busy life both farming and creating content for a very successful channel.
There are others around you who could have spotted the issue long before that panel was dropped into place bud so don’t be stressing out too much pal.
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Following your farms transformation is so entertaining! Keep it up Tom, you are doing awesome!
If you swing 4tonne concrete panels around you may just break one or two things. Stop cutting corners to save money, it’s a fool’s errand ( steel mesh, lightweight manholes, quality stone, experienced labour).
Watched a very early episode of your’s today., how far you’ve come. Great work as ever!
Once a farmer, always a farmer. Got to love him though.😂😂
Once a farmer, always a farmer. Got to love him though.😂😂
With the damage, to the middle I-beam, that should have been inspected at the start of the project to ensure the pads would properly fit. If the pad fit properly, then you probably wouldn’t have had the concrete cracking. I know you are trying to do things to avoid excessive cost, but you have to take the time to inspect things and ensure proper fit before proceeding. No shortcuts there. It’s similar to what carpenters, or woodworkers, would say: “Measure twice and cut once.”
Tom do not worry about the crack brush in some cement dust and it will seal the crack absolutely fine or use some epoxy resin. Iff you cut the corner out you've just got another joint which is effectively a crack anyway, the idea of pouring concrete in strips is also for stress joints where you want the concrete to crack clean to allow for movement else you will end up with random cracks everywhere
The lessons we remember the most usually cost us a lot. It is fixable so at least it will be alright in the end. No fingers missing...no one seriously hurt. Looking forward to your next video and as always, thanks for sharing.
Argh Tom gutted for you mate. You have been doing so well cracking on. Don't beat yourself up over it, it's done now. Onwards and upwards dude. Thanks for showing us your mistakes along the way that's what we love about you no bull 💩
It's nothing that carnt be fixed Tom. When you dig out your box to reset the steel and pour the concrete, drill some half inch holes in the slab you've just poured and resin in some small lengths of rebar to help it be bonded together, so it's more as one. Say 150 to 200 mm into the existing slab and the same sticking out to pour the new concrete. It should help you 👍 atb Tom.
You know what they say "stuff happens". Live and learn, Tom, live and learn. If that's the worst thing that happened to you that day, you had a good day.
I love the hard hats 😂 if that paneling hits you even with the hard hat you are in trouble 😂
Sorry to see the pad cracked! That sucks! But now you know for next time! This is all a learning experience for you. It’s not your full time job to build big structures so don’t be so hard on yourself! You live and you learn 😊
Thing is without a hard hat you're not just in trouble, you're probably an ambulance case.
It only takes a well placed clonk on the noggin' and it'll put you down. At least with a hat on he stands a chance of just saying "ooh f... that hurt!" Rather than
**clonk**
mate: "S..T! TOM'S DOWN! Call 999!"
Danger doesn't take a day off ;)
There's lots of other things that could smack you in the head in a job like that, and a lot of different ways the panel could get you where a hardhat will make all the difference.
Yes hard hat and high viz and you are impervious to anything. Things will just bounce off 🤣🤣
Hi Tom, don't beat yourself up over the steel upright. The most important thing is that no one was injured. On the up side, your concreting was quite good for your first attempt.
Great video, Tom! Huge thanks for sharing your knowledge when things don't quite go the way they were planned. 🙂
Might be two weeks behind but you’re a year ahead of last year. Love your videos Tom, top job.
Any job ALWAYS takes longer than you'd think. A 5-minute job, can take a full morning by the time you have found the right size bolt, and then remembered who last borrowed the only spanners that fit those bolts. Then you have to nip into town to to get new nuts that fit... And so on....
Expensive lesson that. Though, that coloumn should not be that close to the corner. Need more reinforcement around the bottom or below ground. That was a lot of load being put on it but not enough that it should cause that kind of damage. Just as well it happened now, would be more comprehensive to repair it later.
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Cut corners and pay the price. There's a reason why concrete needs reinforcing. But a million people already said that in the last vid. Shit happens 😆😆😆😆
I enjoy watching you and your dad work together. The dairy is looking great.
Tom is there something to be learned with that mistake is there enough strength in the out side wall when it's not tied into the floor if you fill the pit with dung and it is holding rain water that soaks into the dung and freezes it will expand and push the wall and plus the weight of the wet dung I think your going to have a few more cracks.
Don't sweat it Tom, can be fixed, get on it. Will be great when done. We all get a punch in the gut when we're trying to better things. 💪💪👍👍
Don't forget to scabble the joint so that the new concrete binds well into the existing and you get the waterproof joint you want.
Great video as always keep up the amazing work and videos tom
I had wondered about leakage through the existing block wall, on the RHS of the midden.
I had assumed that you were going to put some kind of liner along there............
I very, very much doubt that any liquid treatment will work - at the end of the day, blocks are like a honeycomb and no liquid treatment is going to block all those (huge) holes.
I doubt anything but a specialist render - designed to resist run-off from the midden, will proof that wall.
Cheapest option - don't stack anything against the wall.
It will be a resin or polyurethane based coating on the concrete blocks and that seals every nook and cranny especially if its applied with a sprayer like they did
@@HootMaRoot "resin" is a pretty meaningless word in this respect -it means almost anything and everything in the plastics industry.
Polyurethane resins have very iffy chemical resistance characteristics, highly dependant on what they are being exposed to. Just considering cow pee - that is mildly acid and polyurethanes don't like many acids.
I don't know what the pore space in an average concrete building block is, but it is a lot, and a good deal of that would need to be filled - a few litres of what is probably a polymer dispersion in water, won't even touch the sides over how many square yards?
@@birdie1585 any basic chemical resistant resin they use will be fine as a sealant
I have has cheap 1pack resins hold up just as well as industrial 2 pack resins after being covered in 30% hydrochloric acid and sulphuric acid aka battery acid.
@@HootMaRoot There is no such thing as a "chemical resitant resin" - all polymers are more or less resiatnt to various chemicals. You can look up restance values for different polymers online.
Things like nylons and polyesters are very poor at resisting any high or low pH, polyurethanes mostly do not perform well with acids. Things like PVC, PE, PP are actually resistant to plenty of chemicals but do not lend themselves to use as coatings.
The problem is that you have little knowledge - I have a degree in chemistry and worked in the plastics industry, mostly surface coatings, for a little short of 20 years.
There is also the fact that those blocks have MASSIVE amounts of voids in them - you cannot block those voids in all that wall with a few litres of a polymer dispersion, not least when that dispersion is probably no more than 10-15% solids..
Add a tie bolt between the tops of I-beams, at least during assembly.
Only if you have ones with grips to fit the outside of the RSJ, not in the channel.
Hey Tom we would have learning curves and costly mistakes,😢
Learning curves make you better the more experience you gather yes it cost money mate at the end of the day.’
Keep up the great work that you display in building up your phone as the hoof GP would say ?If you didn’t know you would not learn I did not learn how would you know
Don't kick yourself as you said you learn by your mistakes. It will be all worth it when finished. As lots of others have said your one very honest guy!!!!! And you show your mistakes . Top marks to you all 😊
Oh my goodness Tom my heart sank for you when i saw what was happening. I think you're right though 'More haste, less speed'. Plus always trust your initial instincts. Hope you get it sorted sooner rather than later.👍
Things like that happen no matter how well you plan things it's always the small things that jump up and bite you but always remember the man who never made a mistake never made anything love the honesty of the channel keep up the good work
Wow that is a high midding. What about some backfill om the wall and plant some buches and trees to blend into the area
One question would be is why you have no rebar in the concrete? That's where the strength is in concrete.
Haste makes waste! No good deed goes unpunished! I can commiserate with you because I go through the same thing. Trying to rush and save some time and money will always cost you more time and more money! It never fails. It must be written in “Murphy’s Law “!😩
Tom, there will be a product that you can buy to fill those cracks. Use a grinder to widen the cracks to ensure good penetration. Using tie bars between the posts is a good idea (some great comments on here all trying to help out). All the best!
i don't think it'll be structurally sound if they do this. I'm assuming the concrete is also supposed to hold the columns in place that's why he's thinking of replacing the concrete. if he uses a type of seal, I'm sure its cheaper but not sure if it'll work. (just an average guy consult your engineers).
Not the most expensive of set backs, but the time is the big one. Not a great mistake, but I’ll bet you won’t do that again.
For not being a concrete guy, you did a fine job on the pad. Once all these latest upgrades are done, I think everything will work so much better. It’s looking amazing and it’s still not done.
Mistakes happen we all get carried away sometimes But it's nothing you can't fix.
And Tom just a tip for next time if you have any bent steel i know it takes time but makes it easier in the long run.
You could have heated the Coloum up with an oxy and straightened it out so those concrete barriers would have fallen in to place
We don’t have Oxy 🙈 would be grand if we did 😊
@@TomPembertonFarmLife That's a bummer would make the odd jobs around the farm abit easier.
Hi Tom love the improvement videos. Wondering why no mesh in concrete
Noticed that myself
Rebar is only necessary to take tension in a structure. When a slab is on the ground the load is spread, there's no span, so there's no tension in the concrete. No mesh needed.
@@diederikvandedijk Thankyou. I learned something!
@@diederikvandedijk unfortunately completely wrong. There is no idea what the substructure strength is and any movement or subsidence will result in cracking slabs. Same with water and freeze thaw.
@@starsailorer there was a slab there before.
My father specialized in time and motion study as it relates to efficiency and cost. His number one piece of advice: Do it right the first time. If heard it once I heard it a thousand times. He was usually correct.
Tom you can do my concrete driveway and time .What I seen what you did awesome for the first time it looks really good what you did . Hard hat Tom is safety first your honesty about making mistakes an trying to recorrect them it’s phenomenal to see that people make mistakes . Your honesty and doing the right thing making it right and slow down no rushing things theirs your mistake going to bite you in the pocket. Good job Tom again on pouring and leveling cement looks good. Your very first time doing it you did good job.
Great videos keep it up 👍 a tip put the spacers Behind the panel so then muck dose not get stuck in the post and root it
Hydraulic cement is your best friend with cracks like that since its only the surface and not what is holding your post up
Mesh mesh mesh!!! I can’t understand why you haven’t used any.. keep up the good work.. 👌
Have you included expansion joints in that expanse of concrete.?
you should have put hair pins through the rsj in the slab to stop it moving like you would do when constructing a silage clamp.
Take the hits mate, learn from it and get up and go again! You've had such a positive impact on your farm, this is just a speed bump!
These things happen Tom, It's not that bad it can be fixed. My thoughts are that the pad was still green so that's why it cracked so easily.
Still green that’s what I think 🤦♂️
Also concrete is no use in tension, and the leverage from the upright will have pulled the edge away from rest of the slab. Reinforcement is put in concrete to carry the tension in the structure making it stronger. Rebar round corner might have helped.
Well Tom you live and learn!
Always remember measure twice cut once not measure once cut measure again and cut again
Great video as always Tom nice to see your farm changing and you giving jobs a go and everyone makes mistakes live and learn keep up the gd work Tom
Commenters are being very generous here. What happens if you're not the owner's son? My experience is that you're looking for a new job. Certainly no one's telling you not to worry about it. The bent beam was an obvious problem, and it was ignored. Entirely preventable.
We put a brand new shed up where I worked over the summer when you start putting them panels 6 high you start to wonder if they are actually going to stay there and if your going home afterwards.
With projects your always going to have the what ifs but you learn for the next time
Remember Birmingham scrap yard wall that fell killing several workers
Hey Tom....nobody got hurt and every day is a school day... Life lessons...you've just saved a load of people from making that mistake..and a couple of blocks of lard rubbed on the metal will help as well...ask the Ginger Warrior...
Tom don't put it all on your self. No one knows everything straight out of the block. I have 100% respect for you for trying to do it yourself. Keep going mate 👍
Considering the sheer number of people who are subscribed to your channel why are you not doing a pre-check video walkaround before you attempt these projects by yourself? You're in a great situation of being able to crowd source ideas and expertise at no cost/risk to yourself. As they say, Penny Shy and a dollar light. Doing it cheaper means accepting it isn't going to be perfect, and that's okay. A job to fix it another day.
Would be x2 as many videos 🙈
Sounds a great idea but I am sure there will only be 1 or 2 out of the hundred armchair concrete experts that actually know what they are doing. As a fellow livestock farmer I often find some of the comments amusing shall we say. Toms videos do a great job of educating some people as the the challenges of producing milk and beef, though even this is financially biased from the UA-cam funding.
She'll be fine tom as it is. You'd be better off putting the first panel in all the way around to stop the metal posts flexing so much, then go round with the 2nd layer panel. Put some extra concrete at the back of the cracked concrete and spot weld some supports on each upright to tie them all in. Spot on my babbie. 🛠️🔨👌
No what you should of done is do it properly and set the panels in the posts 50mm below FFL, and then pour the concrete with the panels in place creating a proper seal around the bottom of the panels !.
It’s the way it’s done and the way we always do it, otherwise it just leaks forever and a day !.
I think your floating skills have improved greatly since the first concrete pour you filmed and broadcast. Practice makes perfect, but perfect is not required serviceable is much more important.
Mistakes happen everyday just learn from those mistakes mate dont get down about it.
Brilliant content keep up the good work 👏
Hey Tom love the videos
We put 2 and a half foot in the ground just for a 5’ gate post 3’ doesn’t seem much for how high those walls are going to be and how much weights going to be pushing on them once you start filling it. 🤔
So sorry but with every build there is always more money needed knowing that- stop the stress, its almost always that way so expect more. I know money is precious but your mental and physical health is more and you will be okay in the end. You may pay more but it comes out better in the end and somehow the money is there at the end when you need it. Just remember you will be òk in the end, just slow down and ask others what they think you will get it right in the end. We are all behind you!!
Should use pvc glue base mix to properly seal the walls and concrete from leaking as that can be relatively cheap to do
Typical detail would be a pad under the slab, fix the column to the pad, put a movemenr joint (flexible filler) around the column perimeter and pour slab around it. Therefore the column can move independently of the slab and avoid edge break-out (like you experienced).
Tom, your taste in music is absolutely 👌 Every video there is a banger, but this video has Can’t hold us - and that’s one of my favourite songs of all time. Know every word 😆
The sound is amazing very clear and there's no background noise great video
Sorry that happened
These things happen to us all your doing a great job don't let that small mistake get ya down and keep going with the videos there great 👍
11:16 When the piece of wood rots, will it not leak juice then?
Fill with concrete instead?
Shit happens. At home, we set the pots and panels before we pour any finished floor, and use the panels like a shutter. We used to use that glue and drop them onto concrete, but over time gave way.
Love the videos you did your best but a tip for leveling concrete shovel side to side before dapping it down. I thought at first you should have brought all concete walls in first and start from outside in but when i saw the gap where the bend was i knew it didnt mather which way
In todays episode of " Farmers do construction! "
Been there too. 🤦😅
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This is absolutely class my two fav channel Tom and victory outdoor services. Well done Tom love it